Graeme Souness and RTE

[Plastic Paddy]

I can barely believe I'm typing this, being a Celtic fan and all, but I think he could potentially be what our overpaid, disorganised prima-donnas need to sort themselves out... :eek:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7066392.stm

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[jmurphyc]

No way. Useless manager. He'd get found out tactically.

[Dyl10]

Pretty much every other mananger we've had has gotten away with it :D

[Billy Lord]

I sincerely hope Ireland gets the manager its fans deserves.

[youngirish]

I sincerely hope Ireland gets the manager its fans deserves.

A good one I'll presume you mean which is definitely not Souness whose a pile of sh*te. One of the worst managers to get regular employment in the current game. A joke.

Boumsoung for 8 million. What a plonker.

[bellavistaman]

I can barely believe I'm typing this, being a Celtic fan and all, but I think he could potentially be what our overpaid, disorganised prima-donnas need to sort themselves out... :eek:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7066392.stm

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Correct, i would Souness he wouldnt be long sorting them out. Robbie wouldnt be slouching around, The one thing that we need so much in the next manager is passion, even to the levels like Souness, i would him as manager anyway.

His Rangers background shouldnt come into it at al thats only **** in my opinion.

[green army]

A good one I'll presume you mean which is definitely not Souness whose a pile of sh*te. One of the worst managers to get regular employment in the current game. A joke.

Boumsoung for 8 million. What a plonker.

lucky we dont buy players then.......his no nonsense attitude would sort alot of our players out.

[youngirish]

lucky we dont buy players then.......his no nonsense attitude would sort alot of our players out.

I doubt it tbh. He'd more than likely **** a number of our better players off instead who would then end up frozen out of the International setup. He has a history of falling out with players - Cole, Yorke, Bellamy to name but three (I'm sure there are more). I'd rather have our best players turning out for us under a half decent manager than our second string with a plonker in charge. Thanks but no thanks.

Remind me again what has Souness ever done as a manager since leaving Rangers (besides destroying Liverpool and Newcastle)?

Anyone suggesting Souness would be a good appointment for Ireland manager are either deluded or Souness under an alias.

Souness, Brady. Two men with as dismal records as managers as you'd find in the professional game. I'd rather have Stan back to be honest. At least he was untried before his appointment.

[viagogo]

I'd rather have Stan back to be honest.

Is this the worst comment ever, Id give the job to Eamonn Dunphy before Id have Stan back.

[youngirish]

I'd rather have Stan back to be honest.

Is this the worst comment ever, Id give the job to Eamonn Dunphy before Id have Stan back.

If you think the likes of Souness or Brady are the type of manager that are going to help improve our lot then you really should seek help and soon before you harm yourself.

Souness, can't believe some of these plonkers on here are even contemplating he would be anything other than a complete disaster of an appointment at the current time.

[Stuttgart88]

I think Souness would bring much needed discipline but little else. No thanks.

We want someone who could educate our players about the game. If Houllier came in I'd also give him a broader role to develop the game from all angles domestically and maybe encourage players to play abroad rather than second tier football in England.

I think Houllier & Jol are both very credible candidates, for different reasons.

I thought Houllier's Lyon side was one of the best CL teams in recent years.

[shakermaker1982]

let him stick to commentating. Big step backwards if we go down this route.

[pineapple stu]

A good one I'll presume you mean which is definitely not Souness whose a pile of sh*te. One of the worst managers to get regular employment in the current game. A joke.

Boumsoung for 8 million. What a plonker.
I think you just proved Billy Lord's point.

Souness has been at best a disappointment at almost every club he's been to. No thanks.

[TheBoss]

Souness, Brady. Two men with as dismal records as managers as you'd find in the professional game.


He has managed in England, Scotland, Portugal and Turkey.

He has won 4 SPL's, 4 League Scottish Cups, FA Cup, Turkish Cup, Turkish Super Cup, League Cup, Promotion.

Not the dismal record you are saying.

[bohsRap]

I think he'd be good. If he gets the team working and gives them a kick up the arse we'd start improving. He did fall out with players, most notably Bellamy, but he's a whiny bítch, everyone knows it. Same could be said about Yorke and Cole. As well as that he wouldn't be working with the players week in, week out.

[DmanDmythDledge]

Would be a decent appointment but there's plenty better options.

[pineapple stu]

Did well at Rangers, but they had no-one within touching distance.

He won the FA Cup at Liverpool, but you can't use that to cover the dismal record he had there, taking them to also rans in the league, from which they've never really recovered. Against that Cup win, they lost three times in the Third Round to lower league opposition (all beginning with B, as I recall - Bristol City, Birmingham I think, and someone else).

Did OK in Turkey, but I will admit to a gap in my knowledge of Turkish football. Nearly took Southampton down, sacked at Benfica after two poor years, largely failed at Blackburn after a good start, was a disaster at Newcastle and hasn't been around since, I think.

He has a record of falling out with players at almost every club. Henning Berg's (I think) autobiography is hugely critical of him, basically saying he didn't have a notion. Berg went and overruled him in one game when they were playing some silly system which the players didn't understand; they got right back into the game, but Souness took Berg off and never played him again. Souness also got into a row with Dwight Yorke when creaming him in training and (I think) putting him out injured for a couple of weeks. Ended up nearly getting them relegated back to where he found them.

A dismal record, all in all.

[dr_peepee]

It's Souness on a two year contract for me i'm afraid....

It's gone too far now for a Scholar of the game such as Houlier to shake them out of their general apathy. There may well be technically better managers as options but I'm starting to think there may be too much emphasis placed on the technical side of international management... After all how much exposure does the manager have to the players compared to to club football... There's no point in an international manager trying to engrain the 'Zone-al' defending in a team over a three day period for example.

The big thing now is to get the players to want to player for Ireland and to weed out the players that only half want to play... They may not even know it themselves yet.. I think Sounness will drive players out, Yes. I also think Players will play for him, and I think Players will play in spite of him... Whatever happens, there won't be the level of indifference seen today under Sounnes.

[Stuttgart88]

I'd prefer someone who could crack the conundrum of players like Stephen Ireland or Aiden McGeady. Talented going forward but lightweight defensively. Stan just put them in and hoped for the best.

[Scram]

I think Souness would bring much needed discipline but little else. No thanks.

We want someone who could educate our players about the game. If Houllier came in I'd also give him a broader role to develop the game from all angles domestically and maybe encourage players to play abroad rather than second tier football in England.

I think Houllier & Jol are both very credible candidates, for different reasons.

I thought Houllier's Lyon side was one of the best CL teams in recent years.

Agree with that and I see another worthy candidate, Foppe De Haan has entered the betting at Paddy Power.

Souness management "style" has been proven totally ineffectual with professional footballers. You can lump him in with O'Leary, Keane etc., etc. and all the ex-Irish players, none are what we need at this time. What we do need is an "interested outsider".

Paul McGrath as part of the team under a continental manager would be a good move and MCGrath has offered himself for this role.

[geysir]

Was it Souness who played Ali Dia in the EPL? How was that one explained?

[bohsRap]

Paul McGrath as part of the team under a continental manager would be a good move and MCGrath has offered himself for this role.

What are you basing this on?

[pineapple stu]

Yeah, that was him.

[SuperDave]

Paul McGrath as part of the team under a continental manager would be a good move and MCGrath has offered himself for this role.

Is this serious?

Think - Let's get a committed ex-player in, one who knows what it means to wear the shirt, to get the passion back. Never mind that he has no management experience to speak of, we can get an elder minder in for him, an international football consultant, if you will.

[Noelys Guitar]

Is this serious?

Think - Let's get a committed ex-player in, one who knows what it means to wear the shirt, to get the passion back. Never mind that he has no management experience to speak of, we can get an elder minder in for him, an international football consultant, if you will.

Surely that has never happened before.

[head the ball]

Why not have Souness as coach and "agent" Le Guen in as manager and be finished with it! and get a blue away strip to match of course.
While were at it we could all learn a few new songs too like.......

Oh by the way I seriously think we should make Lawrie Sanchez an offer, he might be glad for an escape route out of Fulham, (and think of how ****ed off our friends up north, of a Souness persuasion, would be!

[onephillyhughes]

Can't believe people on here and around the country actually want this man to manage our country.

Its not a disciplinarian we need. Its a manager who is a proven success at international level. A manager who knows his tactics, a manager who is a motivator and a manager who knows the international scene.

Graeme Souness is none of these. He is a failure as a manager, barring his bankrolled spending spree at Rangers. He is a poor man manager, he hasn't got a clue tactically and he is even more stubborn than Stan.

I really can't believe that people have gone from wanting the best for our country to wanting 'anything better than the last clown'. Because thats all Souness would be, and barely. We want, and NEED the best we can get. Souness is far from this.

[dr_peepee]

Everyones entitled to their opinion.. But I think some people should reign in their hopes.

We're a country that have hired a novice Walsall coach, our Youth Team Coach, and a relativley inexperienced championship manager as our last 3 managers.... Compare that to some of the records of the names being bantared about. Is the leap of quality in the appoinment really going to be that big?

[Paddy Garcia]

Destroyed a good Liverpool team, heading straight for relegation with Blackburn, does anyone need to ask why he is currently out of a job ????

[dr_peepee]

eh!! He got Blackburn promoted to the Premiership, won a cup... And left for an arguably better job.

Liverpool is an easy target... The decline was gonna happen to someone at somestage... Plenty more factors involved there than just Souness.

[onephillyhughes]

Left a Blackburn team that was in decline. Mark Hughes transformed them. He was at his best with Blackburn in Division One, funny that. Rovers fans were all too happy to see the back of him.

[btid1]

Paul McGrath as part of the team under a continental manager would be a good move and MCGrath has offered himself for this role.

HAhahaha......That is one of the funniest statements I've ever read on this board.Thanks for brightening up my day!!!

McGrath cant look after himself never mind an international team.You think discipline is bad now.................

[OneRedArmy]

Would like Souness appointed just to see the reaction of those that insist on booing Rangers players who play against Ireland.

Then we'd see where their alliegence really lies.

[Dr. Ogba]

eh!! He got Blackburn promoted to the Premiership, won a cup... And left for an arguably better job.
.

jumped a sinking ship at Blackburn when rumours were around that he was going to be pushed sooner rather than later...

and those going on about his rangers connections? who gives a sh*t? personally if we could have gotten McLeish or Walter Smith last time around I'd have jumped at it...

[cavan_fan]

Would like Souness appointed just to see the reaction of those that insist on booing Rangers players who play against Ireland.

Then we'd see where their alliegence really lies.

This would be better achieved by poaching Walter Smith who is a proven international manager

[lionelhutz]

I really have no idea how people could entertain the idea of Souness being a decent manager for us?? Maybe it's just because he's been a good sidekick to Dunphy and Giles on RTE - i cant think of anything else. Can anyone?

[CollegeTillIDie]

Paul McGrath offered to help out organising the defence on Newstalk's Off The Ball recently. A role he might have some efficacy in. Given how abject the defence performed in the recent Qualification tournament for Euro 2008, heaven knows it needs some help. I think the FAI should look into this offer. He would be working under the head coach/manager of the team and could improve us defensively. Given we as a national team rarely score goals, the fewer we concede the better our chances.

[danonion]

Unless he's going to play for us I don't think he could do much with the donkeys in our back 4.

[bohsRap]

Paul McGrath offered to help out organising the defence on Newstalk's Off The Ball recently. A role he might have some efficacy in. Given how abject the defence performed in the recent Qualification tournament for Euro 2008, heaven knows it needs some help. I think the FAI should look into this offer. He would be working under the head coach/manager of the team and could improve us defensively. Given we as a national team rarely score goals, the fewer we concede the better our chances.

I like the idea but you're basing his playing career on his coaching ability. For all we know he's a crap coach, he could be brilliant either, but why take the chance on our national team?

[Ceirtlis]

Correct, i would Souness he wouldnt be long sorting them out. Robbie wouldnt be slouching around, The one thing that we need so much in the next manager is passion, even to the levels like Souness, i would him as manager anyway.

His Rangers background shouldnt come into it at al thats only **** in my opinion.

He was brought in to Newcastle for exactly the reasons of which you speak. He was a disaster there.

[Scram]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scram

Paul McGrath as part of the team under a continental manager would be a good move and MCGrath has offered himself for this role.

What are you basing this on?



What are you basing this on?

An interview with Paul McGrath !!

[Wolfie]

I like the idea but you're basing his playing career on his coaching ability. For all we know he's a crap coach, he could be brilliant either, but why take the chance on our national team?

Exactly - it would be yet another gamble.

Presumably, if the appointment of the new manager is done correctly (I know, I know) - the new manager should have his own ideas of who carries out the defensive coaching.

The players will be in shock as they haven't been coached as a team at International level in at least 2 years.

[frankbrett]

Souness was also asked: "Why do you constantly fall out with your players, and why don't you instead try and bury the hatchet instead of putting the club in jeopardy?"

He said: "Who is constantly falling out with players? I totally deny that. The only player I have fallen out with here is Craig Bellamy.

"I pick players on how they train and how they play in matches. I cannot fall out with people because our personalities are not matched. I have to be far bigger than that. That's not what management is about.

"What it is about is doing the best for the football club which employs you and that means picking the players you think are doing the business at the time.

"Whose are these players I am supposed to have fallen out with? Andy Cole? I rest my case. David Dunn? I rest my case. Craig Bellamy? I rest my case. Andy Todd? I rest my case. Dwight Yorke? We only fell out once at one training session.

"Don't forget, I have managed hundreds of players in my 19 years as a manager. So I have fallen out with five of them? I rest my case."

[Kingdom]

Paul McGrath offered to help out organising the defence on Newstalk's Off The Ball recently. A role he might have some efficacy in. Given how abject the defence performed in the recent Qualification tournament for Euro 2008, heaven knows it needs some help. I think the FAI should look into this offer. He would be working under the head coach/manager of the team and could improve us defensively. Given we as a national team rarely score goals, the fewer we concede the better our chances.

This is the type of idea that should be integrated into the Under 21 squad. There seems to be a laissez-faire attitude to the aspirations of the grade as it is, so I don't see what harm it would do. You could have Alan Kelly doing the keepers, Paul McGrath defence, and Aldridge doing the attack. If they are interested in helping their countries (and the future of the country) soccer team out I'm sure they won't mind doing it at any level.

Another question. What would people think of Steve Heighway being approached for the U21 gig? He was hounded out of liverpool despite back to back youth cup wins.

[dr_peepee]

He was brought in to Newcastle for exactly the reasons of which you speak. He was a disaster there.


Disaster:rolleyes:... At best they were no worse off when he left than they were when he took over.... What happened at Leeds or Forrest is a disaster...

[Stuttgart88]

What happened at Leeds or Forrest is a disaster......or Ireland.

[bohsRap]

An interview with Paul McGrath !!

So you think he would be good because he says so?

[jmurphyc]

Other than McGrath who could we get as a defensive coach? If you're looking at past players then the only other viable candidate that has experience with us as a defender is Steve Staunton. I wonder whether that could work out? :eek:

[Wolfie]

Other than McGrath who could we get as a defensive coach? If you're looking at past players then the only other viable candidate that has experience with us as a defender is Steve Staunton. I wonder whether that could work out? :eek:

The defensive coach doesn't have to an ex player or Irish for that matter.

[jmurphyc]

The defensive coach doesn't have to an ex player or Irish for that matter.

Of course he doesn't, merely joking. In fact, considering the experience of coaching that most of our ex-players have (as far as I'm aware) I'd rather we DIDN'T go for an ex-player.