Graeme Souness and RTE [Archive] - Page 3

Sligo Hornet

29/11/2007, 8:27 AM

Sky Sports News - just had Souness on, saying he's throwing his hat in the ring for the Scotland job. One down . . . . Venables for England!!

Yeah I watched him last night and was mighty relieved....he seems REALLY interested in the Scotland, and in fairness to them, I think he would be a good choice.

Noelys Guitar

15/12/2007, 5:14 AM

Souness to be interviewed next week according to the Times.

Graeme Souness, the former Newcastle United manager, is to hold discussions next week about Ireland’s managerial vacancy. He will meet a three-man “headhunting” panel - Don Givens, Don Howe and Ray Houghton – appointed by the Football Association of Ireland to find a successor to Steve Staunton. Souness, who has also managed Liverpool, Benfica and Blackburn Rovers, has been a media pundit since leaving St James’ Park in February last year. Terry Venables is also among the candidates.

tetsujin1979

16/12/2007, 12:41 PM

Souness pulls out of the running for the Ireland job: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2007/1216/sounessg.html

NeilMcD

16/12/2007, 1:05 PM

Stuttgart88

16/12/2007, 1:19 PM

Is the implication that he thinks the selection process is a sham?

If it's simply a case of not doing interviews, a la Joe Kinnear, then sod him.

NeilMcD

16/12/2007, 1:28 PM

I think the only way we will believe that the process is not a sham is if Venables does not get the job. If Venables gets teh job, then the process will look like a sham, even if its not.

geysir

16/12/2007, 1:52 PM

The interview panel should keep their mouths shut as who they interview. They should have a strict policy and not bother responding to rumours confirming or denying anything.

That RTE article quoting the sun quoting Souness doesn�t make any sense. I note that there are no quotation marks used.

Noelys Guitar

16/12/2007, 1:56 PM

Dunphy tells Souness not to waste his time as Venables has the job. Souness tells Lawernson who broadcasts this as fact on Todayfm (my guess). I have a feeling that the Delaney will block Venables appointment even if Venables is considered the best man by the 2 Dons and Rayo. The politician in Delaney will take over and some criteria of his own making will rule out Venables. Who we get then is anyones guess.

Risteard

17/12/2007, 12:20 AM

What makes you think Delaney is anti-Venables?

Noelys Guitar

17/12/2007, 12:41 AM

What makes you think Delaney is anti-Venables?

Hes not. But the soccer public believes Delaney is driving the Venables bandwagon. So if Venables becomes manager then it will be seen as Delaney's appointment. And if Tel fails then Delaney's own position will become untenable. I can't see him allowing that to happen. Which is why I can't see Venables getting the job as it would mean Delaney tying his own future to the success or failure of TV.

tetsujin1979

17/12/2007, 1:29 AM

Hes not. But the soccer public believes Delaney is driving the Venables bandwagon. So if Venables becomes manager then it will be seen as Delaney's appointment. And if Tel fails then Delaney's own position will become untenable. I can't see him allowing that to happen. Which is why I can't see Venables getting the job as it would mean Delaney tying his own future to the success or failure of TV.
When Staunton was appointed, Delaney pushed Staunton as his own appointment of a "world class management team". When Staunton failed, Delaney distanced himself from that appointment and tried to pass the appointment off as the board's decision. What makes you think if Venables is appointed and fails, he won't do the same?

kingdom hoop

17/12/2007, 1:59 AM

I suppose Staunton was a bolt out of the blue, so there was no negative media before the appointment. Whereas there is a groundswell of anti-Venables sentiment, so Delaney would be starting off on a negative with Venables. I'm not Noely's interpretor but I'd say that's what he meant.

Noelys Guitar

17/12/2007, 2:30 AM

When Staunton was appointed, Delaney pushed Staunton as his own appointment of a "world class management team". When Staunton failed, Delaney distanced himself from that appointment and tried to pass the appointment off as the board's decision. What makes you think if Venables is appointed and fails, he won't do the same?

As Kingdom Hoop says! Venables would be an unpopular choice from the off. And if we fell away early in the qualifying group then the pressure on Delaney and the FAI would be unrelenting. I'm certain that he would be forced out to take the pressure off the other members of the board. Of course Venables could get us to the WC finals and then Delaney would be completely vindicated. But I can't see Delaney staking his future on Venables being successful.

eekers

17/12/2007, 7:22 AM

a load of crap about nothing just usual the press having a dig at the fai, cos they think that what people still want to read.

souness hadnt a chance of getting the job he's knows he pulled out now he might have more hance of getting the scottish job.
venables hasnt a chance of getting it neither.

Stuttgart88

17/12/2007, 8:08 AM

But I can't see Delaney staking his future on Venables being successful.The only risk to Delaney's position is Venables being appointed and doing badly - in every other scenario he's blameless at worst and due credit at best.

Noelys Guitar

17/12/2007, 8:41 AM

David Kelly in todays Indo on Souness

He managed to air his not insignificant disquiet through the airwaves via old friend Mark Lawrenson, while, later quoted directly in a Sunday newspaper, indicated his extreme disappointment that he had been forced to terminate his campaign to become the new Irish boss -- albeit it had hardly been a candidacy accompanied by bells and whistles

Deckydee

17/12/2007, 11:42 AM

Ray Houghton insists the Republic of Ireland door has not been closed on Graeme Souness.

Former Liverpool and Newcastle manager Souness had been keen on replacing Steve Staunton as coach of the Ireland national team.
However, he appears to have ended his interest in the post following reports the position had already been offered to Terry Venables.
Souness told the Irish Star Sunday: "It is a huge pity."
But Houghton, who is part of a three-man selection panel, has moved to reassure Souness that the vacancy has not been filled and that he can still put himself forward for the job.
"We understand there was interest from Graeme to be the manager," Houghton told Sky Sports News.

Disappointed

"Now it's up to him to make the decision to speak to us. We've tried to reassure him that there isn't anyone in place at the moment.
"It is really up to any prospective manager to come to us, to speak to us and tell us why they should be the next manager of Ireland.
"We can only ask them to come along to a meeting and speak to us. It's up to them to impress us and then we can recommend who we think is the best man for the job.
"We're disappointed that Graeme has taken the decision he has at the moment. But who knows?
"I think he is on holiday at the moment in America, so maybe when he is over there he will think over what is happening.
"The door isn't closed on Graeme as far as we're concerned. If he'd like to come and speak to us, there won't be a problem."

irishfan86

17/12/2007, 11:51 AM

"It is really up to any prospective manager to come to us, to speak to us and tell us why they should be the next manager of Ireland. "

This worries me a bit; does this mean only candidates who put themselves forward will be considered?

Hodgson has said that he will not approach national sides, they will have to approach him...as he said "jobs have always found me, not the other way 'round."

Hopefully someone on that committee knows about him, and knows that he is still available, and is willing to approach him.

I really have my doubts about the committee even knowing about Hodgson's availability, and if they do, I doubt they'll have the ambition to make contact with him without his initial contact.

FOOK!

amaccann

17/12/2007, 12:15 PM

Don Givens would surely be aware, what with his experience in Swiss football?

Stuttgart88

17/12/2007, 12:22 PM

I'm very concerned about the misperception of Hodgson taking up a post with Inter Milan, and that the right people won't be aware that he has clearly left the door open.

pateen

17/12/2007, 1:34 PM

Don Givens is so old fashioned that he probably wont approach Hodgson directly.
Like any job a man has to be head hunted but will givens do this.....??

Doubtful

:mad: :mad: :mad:

geysir

17/12/2007, 2:17 PM

Ray Houghton insists the Republic of Ireland door has not been closed on Graeme Souness.

Former Liverpool and Newcastle manager Souness had been keen on replacing Steve Staunton as coach of the Ireland national team.
However, he appears to have ended his interest in the post following reports the position had already been offered to Terry Venables.
Souness told the Irish Star Sunday: "It is a huge pity."
But Houghton, who is part of a three-man selection panel, has moved to reassure Souness that the vacancy has not been filled and that he can still put himself forward for the job.
"We understand there was interest from Graeme to be the manager," Houghton told Sky Sports News.
Disappointed
"Now it's up to him to make the decision to speak to us. We've tried to reassure him that there isn't anyone in place at the moment. ...

the only sense I can make out of Souness's supposed statement is that the journalist contacted him and said that 'the job has been offered to Venables so how do you feel about that'?

Then Souness replies
'It is a huge pity as I feel this was a great job with real possibilities and feel that with my experience in England and on the continent, I could really have brought something to Irish football.

'I cannot reiterate how disappointed I am in this decision because I love Ireland and the thought of working with so many talented young players was something I would have relished.'

osarusan

17/12/2007, 2:25 PM

I'm very concerned about the misperception of Hodgson taking up a post with Inter Milan, and that the right people won't be aware that he has clearly left the door open.

This is the only site I use to gauge perceptions of football in Ireland so I'm in the dark to a certain extent - how widespread in Ireland is the desire to see Hodgson as manager? Is it really possible that "the right people" could make that kind of mistake?

Stuttgart88

17/12/2007, 2:31 PM

how widespread in Ireland is the desire to see Hodgson as manager? I've no idea. I'd guess that most people, including regular match goers, aren't that bothered either way. The Irish football team is something they watch 5 or 6 times a year and pay little attention to in between.

NeilMcD

17/12/2007, 2:34 PM

eirebhoy

17/12/2007, 4:20 PM

"We've tried to reassure him that there isn't anyone in place at the moment."

Was that the main reason Souness turned down an interview?

ruben_sosa

17/12/2007, 10:16 PM

A load of rubbish there from Souness, what the hell does he mean. Is this another one of these, I want the job but I dont want to be interviewed for it. Fair enough if it was in a job but a load of rubbish when someone is out of work like he is.

Souness was spot-on when he pulled out of the Bolton job interview process because he smelt a rat, his words should be a great cause for concern. When he was interviewed for the Bolton job he was shocked to find Gary Megsons old agent was there to interview him with the Bolton chairman and we know who got that job in the end. I suspect he views Don Howe in much the same capacity.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2199608,00.html

carloz

17/12/2007, 10:39 PM

"We've tried to reassure him that there isn't anyone in place at the moment."

Was that the main reason Souness turned down an interview?
Thats the only reason he pulled out IMO. He as stressed that he would really like the job but the man is not a complete clown. He can see through this whole process just like everyone of us here can. Fair dues to Souness, he had the balls to take a stand against it.

NeilMcD

17/12/2007, 10:44 PM

osarusan

18/12/2007, 1:28 AM

Souness was spot-on when he pulled out of the Bolton job interview process because he smelt a rat, his words should be a great cause for concern. When he was interviewed for the Bolton job he was shocked to find Gary Megsons old agent was there to interview him with the Bolton chairman and we know who got that job in the end. I suspect he views Don Howe in much the same capacity.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2199608,00.html

Interesting quote from Souness on that page -

"I think my interview was nothing but window dressing and it was already a done deal."

Sounds eerily similar to what lots of people on this site have been saying.

Newryrep

18/12/2007, 7:42 AM

I think most people are anti Venables but that is only from the people I speak to. Most people I spoke to did not know much about Hodgson but I have talked about him so much over the last few months that they went away and checked out his record etc and would be happy with his appointment. I am not sure how widespread this as I can only judge by my friends and acquaintances.

Caught the last 10 mins of the sat football phone it on Today FM when the presenter asked for realistic alternatives to Venables - nearly everybody was mentioned except Hodgson- the caller mentioned Klinsmann (dont know what he was smoking). It is going to be an EPL reject with name recognition to calm the masses although the words of Delaney wrt british style coaching does gave me some hope a la Hodgson.

dr_peepee

18/12/2007, 7:57 AM

I think we are seeing why Souness would not be the best man for the job. The reason is, that he loves confllict. I think he looks for conflict rather than try to avoid it. At times he may be right but over the time of his management career he has had way too much conflict and I think there are times to play politics (not saying this is the time).

I dont think its a coincidence that he has falled out with so many players.

Conflict is what is needed. Anything barr the apathy we're seeing from the players and the incompetence from the organisation. Never know. International football might suit him. Might be less prone to falling out with players if he doesn't see them that often..:)

I do however feel that players would be less prone to faking injuries around the time of friendlies under Sounness. I also feel he would weed out those players that don't even realise they only half want to represent our country. I've said it a million times. Players will either play for sounness, play for their country in spite of sounness or retire from playing for their country... Any one of them 3 is good for me, not the current grey area players occupy now.

This is the only site I use to gauge perceptions of football in Ireland so I'm in the dark to a certain extent - how widespread in Ireland is the desire to see Hodgson as manager? Is it really possible that "the right people" could make that kind of mistake? .

Hodgson would have been my favourite when Stan got the job. My second favourite now. Might be an overstatement to say he's everyones favourite. But would definately ruffle no feathers amongst fans if he was appointed.

Deckydee

12/02/2009, 6:38 AM

irishfan86

12/02/2009, 6:48 AM

I thought his (Graeme Souness) analysis of the game was spot on last night. Indeed we do have a �modest team full of modest players� and that Trapattoni knows exactly what is doing by utilizing what he has and putting points on the table.

It helps sometimes to have a �foreigner� in the group to see the game from another perspective.

Absolutely. Dunphy's assertion that 8 of our players would "walk into any European team" was ridiculous.

Never really thought much of him as a manager, but I've been pretty impressed with him as a pundit.

gspain

12/02/2009, 8:27 AM

Absolutely. Dunphy's assertion that 8 of our players would "walk into any European team" was ridiculous.

Never really thought much of him as a manager, but I've been pretty impressed with him as a pundit.

And he never named Andy Reid in the 8 despite being a class player an hour earlier. :D

Dotsy

12/02/2009, 8:57 AM

I couldn't stop laughing when Dunphy said that. He really does talk absolute crap.

Uncle_Joe

12/02/2009, 10:26 AM

It was classic Dunphy, saying we had 8 players who would get into any European team. i think he named 4 and then gave up :D

gspain

12/02/2009, 11:02 AM

It was classic Dunphy, saying we had 8 players who would get into any European team. i think he named 4 and then gave up :D

I've deleted it from my Sky + but think he named 8. Given, Dunne, O'Shea, Ireland, Duff, McGeady, Keane, Doyle.

However not naming Andy Reid was the best. :D

geysir

12/02/2009, 11:32 AM

I thought his (Graeme Souness) analysis of the game was spot on last night. Indeed we do have a �modest team full of modest players� and that Trapattoni knows exactly what is doing by utilizing what he has and putting points on the table.

It helps sometimes to have a �foreigner� in the group to see the game from another perspective.
I have just watched the post match punditry and I'd agree totally. It was a Souness dose of sanity in contrast to Dunphy's (our team of superstars dressed up in workman's clothes) hyperbole.

Interesting to see Dunphy's reaction when Souness looks into his eyes and says repeatedly and firmly "I don't agree with you Eamon"

irishultra

12/02/2009, 11:35 AM

its all well and good saying that but with two wingers that we have, we could be playing a more expansive game. i'm happy with how trap is doing things, but just because we don't have top players doesn't mean we have to play within ourselves.

Fergieb

12/02/2009, 11:39 AM

I've deleted it from my Sky + but think he named 8. Given, Dunne, O'Shea, Ireland, Duff, McGeady, Keane, Doyle.

However not naming Andy Reid was the best. :D[/quote]

I'm sure at one point Dunphy has gone on a rant critising each of those players (maybe with the exception of Given).

tetsujin1979

12/02/2009, 1:01 PM

RTE's analysis online here: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2009/0211/irevgeo_analysis_av.html

Stuttgart88

12/02/2009, 1:51 PM

Dunphy: it's a major failing not bringing Ireland back into this team.

I thought he has been asked and has declined.

Dunphy: x, y and Stephen Ireland. These guys love playing for their country.

TerryPhelan

13/02/2009, 11:41 AM

The guy is a prize fool. Why do people still listen to what he says and give his normally bone-headed reactions to games the courtesy of their attention?

The man who was trumpeting Trap's appointment was to be heard, after we'd secured 7 points from a possible 9, demanding that Trap be sacked if he neglected to pick Andy Reid in his next squad.

Now, with 10 points from a possible 12, our best ever start to a qualifying campaign, he is trying out the whole line that 'failing' to get Stephen Ireland back is somehow a massive shortcoming on the part of the Irish management. The guy simply does not want to play for his country. Quite apart from the insult it would be to the value of the Irish jersey to go begging him to come back, it would be futile. The course of action taken by Trap, Brady et al is both the correct and the only sane one: declare that the door is open (albeit, quite rationally, within a deadline now that the games are clocking up) and leave it up for the guy to make the call.

This is all painfully obvious, of course. But it beggars belief that, when he's being paid over 300,000 euro a year to be the maverick, the sh*t-stirrer-in-chief of the RTE panel, this is the best he can come up with. It's pathetic.

Stuttgart88

13/02/2009, 11:48 AM

I mjust look at the post match analysis again. Early in Dunphy's summary he flatly contradicted himself with comments only seconds apart from each other. I can't recall exactly what he said though. If I get time I'll post the quote.

geysir

13/02/2009, 11:55 AM

He never did get past naming 5 out 8 players who could walk into any team in Europe.

SunnySweeney

13/02/2009, 3:22 PM

the way i read it was Dunphy was defending the Irish side.

Souness (not Irish obviously) said that this side was 'modest' and lacking in ability and the coach was getting the best out of them

To me it looked like Dunphy wasn't going to let Souness get away with this i.e. it's OK for us Irish to criticise our team, but if you're not Irish you're better off keeping your trap (pardon the pun) shut unless you have something positive to say.

If an Irish person was on a tv panel in Scotland and overtly criticised the Scottish side, the home-grown panelists would be inclined to come to their national sides defense.

We didn't pay you good money to come over here and take the **** out of our side - we can do that ourselves.