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colster
13/09/2007, 9:47 AM
Heard Dunphy on the radio this morning and he mentioned that he' like Paul Jewell as next manager.
Not a bad choice. He's out of work at the moment and has done good jobs at both Wigan and Bradford.
He also mentioned Leo Beenhaker and Stephen Kenny.
I think Steve Coppell would be a good appointment as well
OwlsFan
13/09/2007, 10:07 AM
Good old Eamonn and then he'd be slagging him off after a few games and this is the muppet who was calling for a top class experienced manager last night :mad: Is this the same Paul Jewell sacked by Wednesday as he lead them towards relegation.
Je' despair.
Pablo
13/09/2007, 10:13 AM
Paddy Power have David O'Leary as favourite according to Newstalk
drinkfeckarse
13/09/2007, 10:16 AM
The same Stephen Kenny who's struggling to get a Dunfermline side up the Scottish first division table with a squad some SPL teams would love to have??
Numpty should really call it a day.
colster
13/09/2007, 10:18 AM
Good old Eamonn and then he'd be slagging him off after a few games and this is the muppet who was calling for a top class experienced manager last night :mad: Is this the same Paul Jewell sacked by Wednesday as he lead them towards relegation.
Je' despair.
We aren't going to get someone with a perfect record.
scousedub
13/09/2007, 10:19 AM
Heard Dunphy on the radio this morning and he mentioned that he' like Paul Jewell as next manager.
Not a bad choice. He's out of work at the moment and has done good jobs at both Wigan and Bradford.
He also mentioned Leo Beenhaker and Stephen Kenny.
I think Steve Coppell would be a good appointment as well
We havent a hope of getting someone like Coppell. No one is going to give up premiership wages and weekly football for international football and a much lower salary.
mackannovic
13/09/2007, 10:19 AM
Paddy Power have David O'Leary as favourite according to Newstalk
And so he should be.
shakermaker1982
13/09/2007, 10:26 AM
I'd rather keep Stan than O'Leary.
eaststand85
13/09/2007, 10:40 AM
What about George Graham, John Gregory or Kenny Dalglish who was mentioned previously as being interested if memory serves?
Dublin12
13/09/2007, 10:51 AM
Give it to Aldo..at least he's got some sort of track record in 1 off cup type games..hes good with the media..is passionate about Ireland..and knows how to get a team motivated. I'd have him in with Jewell.
Ozymandias
13/09/2007, 11:14 AM
Give it to Aldo..at least he's got some sort of track record in 1 off cup type games..hes good with the media..is passionate about Ireland..and knows how to get a team motivated. I'd have him in with Jewell.
agree with the sentiments...FAI won't appoint him
Scruttox
13/09/2007, 11:22 AM
Vicente Del Bosgue? (Ex-Madrid) Want to be a good package though.
Ruud Gullit?
Jack Charlton? ( Just one campaign, cmon!)
jbyrne
13/09/2007, 12:07 PM
Ruud Gullit?
:eek:
carloz
13/09/2007, 12:16 PM
Give it to Aldo..at least he's got some sort of track
A track record from some 10 years ago!!! This was the same Aldo who was on Sky Sports who said a draw against Slovakia was a good result and a draw against the Czechs would be a good result. I think Jewell is a very good shout. Got the most out of a limited bunch. Also for the last game of last season they were away to Sheffield united and had to win to stay up. Against all odds they did and any manager that can do this obviously has some qualities
Scruttox
13/09/2007, 12:17 PM
:eek:
Alright then,clone Ferguson.;)
drinkfeckarse
13/09/2007, 12:23 PM
Aldridge wouldn't be the worst choice. Jewell is interesting, not one I'd considered before but done well enough in the past.
carloz
13/09/2007, 12:30 PM
Why in Gods name should Aldridge be considered. He had a couple of half decent cup runs with Tranmere some 8 years ago. Did nothing in the league, has not even been linked with a job sice which says it all. It will be the same story all over again if he gets the job. I can see the FAI sacking Staunton and hiring someone like McAteer. Wouldnt put it past Delaney
ofjames
13/09/2007, 12:34 PM
Good old Eamonn and then he'd be slagging him off after a few games and this is the muppet who was calling for a top class experienced manager last night :mad: Is this the same Paul Jewell sacked by Wednesday as he lead them towards relegation.
Je' despair.
Also the same Paul Jewell that worked miracles getting a shiite Bradford team into the Premiership then kept them there, then repeated this with a very ordinary Wigan side twice, reaching a League Cup final along the way...
Coppell would be perfect. I reckon he's on less than £1 million per annum and could be afforded. Whether he'd go for it though....doubtful
Wolfie
13/09/2007, 12:38 PM
It's as important to know who you don't want for the job also.
Aldo is a likeable bloke but wouldn't being a hell of a lot more to the party that Stan does. Judging from previous interviews - Aldo isn't as sussed tactically / managerially as some make out. Are we really satisfied with a half decent tenure at Tranmere as sufficient?
We really need to get away from the "recent ex player" crop of potential managers - including O'Leary. They're too familiar with previous set ups and try to replicate flawed approaches.
If we're really serious about making a fundamental change, the FAI will have to create a short list that doesn't include: O'Leary, Whelan, Stapleton, Aldridge, Moran etc etc. Its the lazy option.
I think Jewell is a decent shout given how de-valued the Irish managers job has become. Various high profile names walked away from it in 1996 - never mind who'd be interested in 2007.
Scruttox
13/09/2007, 12:41 PM
It's as important to know who you don't want for the job also.
Aldo is a likeable bloke but wouldn't being a hell of a lot more to the party that Stan does. Judging from previous interviews - Aldo isn't as sussed tactically / managerially as some make out. Are we really satisfied with a half decent tenure at Tranmere as sufficient?
We really need to get away from the "recent ex player" crop of potential managers - including O'Leary. They're too familiar with previous set ups and try to replicate flawed approaches.
If we're really serious about making a fundamental change, the FAI will have to create a short list that doesn't include: O'Leary, Whelan, Stapleton, Aldridge, Moran etc etc. Its the lazy option.
I think Jewell is a decent shout given how de-valued the Irish managers job has become. Various high profile names walked away from it in 1996 - never mind who'd be interested in 2007.
Yeah agreed, too many links to the old school. They'd be just FAI lapdogs.
Gotta be a European with his own way of doing things. And we have to be prepared to pay the spondulocks.
Vicente Del Bosque?
munsterman000
13/09/2007, 12:49 PM
I'd definitely go for Jewell. Used to working with our level of players, you can be sure he'd pick a logical team and is undoubtedly one of the best motivators in the game. All this talk about top class managers is ridiculous, I'd take Jewell ahead of Capello, Del Bosque or any of them. This is not club football, you don't need to be a tactical genius. In fact, the more complicated tactical work you try to introduce, the more likely it is to go all wrong. At international level you don't have much time with the players. Pick the right team, be strong on set-pieces and get them motivated; believing in themselves, their manager and what they're doing. Let them play. Paul Jewell would do all that (He won't though, because we're stuck with Stan and there is absolutely nothing that we can do about it).
drinkfeckarse
13/09/2007, 12:51 PM
Very good point Wolfie but someone who has no history does not necessarily mean it'll work. The game is littered with managers from a different culture who were sacked when they they tried to change things to their way and it didn't work. Vogts, Le Guen, Gross to name but a few off the top of my head.
The only foreign name that I'd be 100% happy with is Hiddink but we've no chance there.
Barna Bee
13/09/2007, 1:00 PM
Russians are out now too, he is hardly going to stay around in Russia until 2010.but after getinng rid of the gaffaaaaa, would we have enough to payhim?
Wolfie
13/09/2007, 1:01 PM
Very good point Wolfie but someone who has no history does not necessarily mean it'll work. The game is littered with managers from a different culture who were sacked when they they tried to change things to their way and it didn't work. Vogts, Le Guen, Gross to name but a few off the top of my head.
The only foreign name that I'd be 100% happy with is Hiddink but we've no chance there.
Yeah - it might be an unpopular view and I'll most likely get slated, but I'd like to see a (dare I say it) British coach appointed. I wouldn't like to see a continental coach appointed as it would swap one set of problems for another.
A British coach, with some top level experience, who is aware of our teams background and players - but has not been directly immersed in the teams previous approches to things.
ofjames
13/09/2007, 1:02 PM
Very good point Wolfie but someone who has no history does not necessarily mean it'll work. The game is littered with managers from a different culture who were sacked when they they tried to change things to their way and it didn't work. Vogts, Le Guen, Gross to name but a few off the top of my head.
The only foreign name that I'd be 100% happy with is Hiddink but we've no chance there.
It's also littered with foreign coaches who have brought great success. Rehhegel with Greece, Charlton with Ireland, Scolari with Portugal, Hodgson with Switzerland, Zico with Japan, Hiddink with Korea, Beenhakker with Trinidad etc....
hes so good at pointing out how bad others are etc and moaning but i dont see him applying for the job.and for him to say last night we need a world class manager and then to say this morning it should be paul jewell is pathetic.hes just looking for another easy target to moan about for a few years.has dunphy liked any irish manager we had?
as i said on another thread,im gonna email him today and ask him to apply for the job.hes good at telling people what they did wrong but why doesnt he then go show us all how to do it right?????
mackannovic
13/09/2007, 1:07 PM
Very good point Wolfie but someone who has no history does not necessarily mean it'll work. The game is littered with managers from a different culture who were sacked when they they tried to change things to their way and it didn't work. Vogts, Le Guen, Gross to name but a few off the top of my head.
The only foreign name that I'd be 100% happy with is Hiddink but we've no chance there.
1. Vogts in fairness took Scotland through a pretty bad patch and can be attributed with reworking the ideas of the Underage setup in Scotland.
2. LeGuen was undermined by the sheer stubborness of the teams most importanat player not to adapt.
3. Christian Gross was never wanted at Spurs, he was last in a long line of choices. It was a clear from day one when he had to get the tube to his unveiling as nobody in the club was bothered.
Hibs4Ever
13/09/2007, 1:26 PM
Russians are out now too, he is hardly going to stay around in Russia until 2010.but after getinng rid of the gaffaaaaa, would we have enough to payhim?
No they're not :confused:
antrimgreen
13/09/2007, 1:29 PM
Roy Keane
Scruttox
13/09/2007, 1:34 PM
He has bigger fish to fry....
shelbourne1904
13/09/2007, 2:24 PM
Roy Keane
And if the dugout didnt have a cushion he might walk out
shelbourne1904
13/09/2007, 2:26 PM
Roy Keane
And if the dugout didnt have a cushion he might take his dog for a walk
antrimgreen
13/09/2007, 2:29 PM
At least he knows how to hold on to a lead :)
drinkfeckarse
13/09/2007, 2:40 PM
It's also littered with foreign coaches who have brought great success. Rehhegel with Greece, Charlton with Ireland, Scolari with Portugal, Hodgson with Switzerland, Zico with Japan, Hiddink with Korea, Beenhakker with Trinidad etc....
I don't disagree but Ireland play with a British mentality so using Charlton as an example is hardly worthy. The only common denominator with all your examples is that even though the managers are different nationalities from the country they are/have managed, they are all with teams of decent technical ability.
That's a trait that's more or less the same of the country where they're originated from so it wouldn't warrant mass change or revolutionary systems.
Ozymandias
13/09/2007, 2:44 PM
At least he knows how to hold on to a lead :)
potm contender anyway
DmanDmythDledge
13/09/2007, 2:50 PM
No point chopping and changing managers every campaign. Also Stan hasn't done as bad as everyone is making out. Not many people want to admit it but he has improved as the campaign has gone on and will be ready for international management by the time the next campaign comes around.
Closed Account 2
13/09/2007, 2:52 PM
1. Vogts in fairness took Scotland through a pretty bad patch and can be attributed with reworking the ideas of the Underage setup in Scotland.
2. LeGuen was undermined by the sheer stubborness of the teams most importanat player not to adapt.
3. Christian Gross was never wanted at Spurs, he was last in a long line of choices. It was a clear from day one when he had to get the tube to his unveiling as nobody in the club was bothered.
1. He also took them to the Euro2004 playoffs (vs the Dutch) which was further than we got in qualification for that tournament, your point 2 also applies to him (same player as well).
3. He has since done fairly well at FC Basel.
carloz
13/09/2007, 2:57 PM
No point chopping and changing managers every campaign. Also Stan hasn't done as bad as everyone is making out. Not many people want to admit it but he has improved as the campaign has gone on and will be ready for international management by the time the next campaign comes around.
We are as good as out of our qualifying group with three games to go. Also we are in the poorest qualifying group by some distance. Dont try and put a good spin on it, Stan has done every bit as bad as everyone is making out. Our performances have not improved whatsoever, they just havent been as bad as in Nicosia. the only game where we played to our potential was at home to the Czechs when we let two valuable points slip away. Being as good as out of a qualifying campaign is something you expect from very middle of the road teams, such as Belarus, Latvia, Hungary or Bosnia. Not us, we are too damn good for that to happen and Stan has to be held responsible. Simple put we have been dreadful thropughout the campaign and finding any positives is a struggle. And dont come back with the crap that Stan brought through the young players. Had any other manager come in they would have had to use the younger players too.
Ordinary Fan
13/09/2007, 3:02 PM
Ha Ha!
Irish_Praha
13/09/2007, 3:25 PM
Mike Newell
keenanboy
13/09/2007, 3:44 PM
Bora Milutinovic?
Has worked with many nations and has a good track record. I think he's currently the Jamaican team coach but he would be a good one to get.
ofjames
13/09/2007, 3:45 PM
hes so good at pointing out how bad others are etc and moaning but i dont see him applying for the job.and for him to say last night we need a world class manager and then to say this morning it should be paul jewell is pathetic.hes just looking for another easy target to moan about for a few years.has dunphy liked any irish manager we had?
as i said on another thread,im gonna email him today and ask him to apply for the job.hes good at telling people what they did wrong but why doesnt he then go show us all how to do it right?????
He's a critic. That's his job for god's sake. Under your standard, noone is entitled to voice an opinion on Stan unless they are willing to put themselves forward for the job. Frankly, thats a load of boll*x, complete craptalk.
Besides, the opinion he voiced regarding Staunton is completely accurate, and one which is wholly representative of most Irish fans. Stan was put in a job he wasn't even close to being qualified for, and is clearly not able for.
He's earned well over €500,000 in the period he has been in charge. That is not value for money! A complete waste!
If anything, our performances and results have regressed under Stan, eventhough the strength and quality of the squad has improved.
We'd all love a world class manager, but given the financial and footballing constraints we face, we are very unlikely to get that. In reality, a proven, middle-tier Premiership manager like Paul Jewell or Steve Coppell is the very best we could expect (and would represent a collosal step up from Stan). Even a good championship manager like Pardew, Dowie or Newell would represent a step up. Thus, Dunphy is not pathetic in putting Jewell's name forward, it's the reality we face!! What do you expect? Jose Mourinho to walk out on Chelsea for the FAI??
In my opinion, we have a squad that was definitely capable of finishing second in our group (thus qualifying for Euro 2008), and which will be even stronger once the Qualifiers for World Cup 2010 come around. Dunphy's core point was that we have to give this squad the best possible chance to reach the World Cup finals. To do that, we have to have the best available manager to lead our team. Simply put, Staunton isnt that man.
Stuttgart88
13/09/2007, 3:50 PM
Don Givens?
Block G Raptor
13/09/2007, 3:57 PM
Martin o'neil anyone ?
Hibs4Ever
13/09/2007, 4:11 PM
Don Givens?
Martin o'neil anyone ?
No and no
Stuttgart88
13/09/2007, 4:22 PM
The first suggestion was a joke, just in case it wasn't obvious.
dancinpants
13/09/2007, 4:31 PM
The first suggestion was a joke, just in case it wasn't obvious.
So was the suggestion of Staunton, and look at us now :eek:
Tis-smeee
13/09/2007, 4:57 PM
Roddy Collins for Ireland
brine3
13/09/2007, 5:36 PM
Keep an eye on Henk ten Cate. His contract at Ajax is untill the end of the season and rumour is he wants to go when it finishes. Or he could be pushed soon enough because the Ajax board are stupid. Top manager.
backstothewall
13/09/2007, 5:50 PM
I have to agree with Dunphy. Jewell is the right man for the job. He did a terrific job with wigan, and even better with Bradford. A former Wednesday manager did a good job for us in the past as well!!
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