Attendences

[pineapple stu]

I'm going to send on the figures from here to them. Will make it easier to compare.

[TommyT]

Originally posted by Rocky
Interesting site. Pity there's no up to date info on the EL. Don't think the figures they have there for EL 2001 are right either. Many of the highest attendance figures seem a bit low.



Rocky our figures are virtually always too high !!!!!

[A face]

I deleted all my posts from this thread to tidy it up.

[Rocky]

Originally posted by TommyT
Rocky our figures are virtually always too high !!!!!


Tommy I was merely pointing out that some teams (especially Finn Harps in this instance) get at least one big crowd per season. For example Finn Harps highest was 1,600, and that in a season when they played Derry City!

But point taken I'm picking up what your putting down!

[TommyT]

Originally posted by Macy
Still have my doubts about the Bohs Town game being 2500 (I know that's probably a split between mine and D13Bohs figures)...



Chippie says the counted tickets ammounted to just over 1800. He also had a post on Gypsies-Web sbout the Gypo's attendences for their first few home games, which differed from the figures given here. I'm off to look for it and will cut and paste it below. They are official attendences so the thread should be altered. Looking at the telly some of the crowds at some of Corks smaller games seem to have exaggerated crowds though the ******s are still averaging close to twice as much as any of the Dublin clubs, off a similar catchment area.

[TommyT]

How in the name of jayzuz is L A N G E R S failing the swear block ?

[Neil]

It's only when a Jackeen says it...!

[TommyT]

Send my congrats to Adam so...it's not often you encounter technology that can sense the hatred as you type


:D

[pete]

Originally posted by TommyT
Chippie says the counted tickets ammounted to just over 1800. He also had a post on Gypsies-Web sbout the Gypo's attendences for their first few home games, which differed from the figures given here. I'm off to look for it and will cut and paste it below. They are official attendences so the thread should be altered. Looking at the telly some of the crowds at some of Corks smaller games seem to have exaggerated crowds though the ******s are still averaging close to twice as much as any of the Dublin clubs, off a similar catchment area.

Any Mod is free to edit the numbers. Figures are only approx ones which should eman get close to 500 of real average over the season.

Apparently city v shel$ looked like a small attendance on tv but cos was raining the stand was full & shed packed more than normal.

[pete]

Round 1: 14,900
Cork City v Pats 4500
Bohs v UCD 3000
Derry v Longford 2300
Rovers v Drogs 1600
Waterford v $hel$ 3500

Round 2: 14250
Drogheda Utd v Waterford Utd 2500
St Patricks Ath v Shamrock Rov 4500
UCD v Cork City 700
Shelbourne v Derry City 2800
Longford Town v Bohemians 3750

Round3: 11400+derry
Waterford Utd v St Patricks Ath 2700
Shamrock Rov v UCD 1200
Derry City v Drogheda Utd
Shelbourne v Longford Town 1500
Cork City v Bohemians 6000

Round 4: 11450
UCD v Waterford Utd 700
St Patricks Ath v Derry City 2700
Drogheda Utd v Shelbourne 2750
Longford v Cork City 1500
Bohemians V Shamrock Rovers 3800

Round 5: 12000
Derry City v UCD 2250
Shelbourne v St Pats 4000
Drogheda v Longford Town 2250
Waterford v Bohemians 3500
Shamrock Rovers v Cork City 2000

Round 6: 14500
Bohemians v Derry City 2500?
Cork City v Waterford 6000
St Pats v Drogheda 3000?
UCD v Shelbourne 1000
Longford T v Shamrock Rovers 2000?

Round 7: 14700
Derry City v Cork City generous 2500
Shelbourne v Bohemians 4200
Waterford v Shamrock Rovers 4000
Drogheda v UCD 1500
St Patricks v Longford 2500

Round 8: 11950
Cork City v Shelbourne 5000
Bohemians v Drogheda 2500?
Shamrock Rovers v Derry City 1000
UCD v St Pats 950
Waterford v Longford 2500

Round 9: 12400+derry
Derry City v Waterford
St Pats v Bohemians 5500
Shels v Rovers 4800
Drogheda v Cork City 1000
Longford v UCD 1100

Round 10: 7700+shels
Shels v Waterford
St Pats v Cork City 3000?
UCD v Bohs 1200
Drogheda v Rovers 3500
(Longford v Derry City OFF)

Round 11: 12500+Waterford
Derry City v Shels 2000
Cork City v UCD 3500
Bohemians v Longford 2500
Rovers v St Pats 4500
Waterford v Drogheda

Round 12:
Bohemains V Cork City 2500
St Pats v Waterford
Longford v Shel$
Drogheda v Derry City
(UCD v Rovers OFF)

[wws]

chippie posted this on the bohs board
he is a bohs member

shows how out fans estimations are in nearly all cases:

http://gypsiesweb.proboards14.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1057059492


nearly all those figures in this thread are completely unreliable in my book

[pete]

I suppose the problem is if someone is 500 out for small club thats a large percentage out from actual figure.

If the city figures or Pats to a lesser degree are out by 500 its no big deal.

[wws]

its pointless unless you have certified figures
its meaningless
with crowds of 2,000/3000 500 is a big difference

[A face]

Ball park is bettter than nothing !!

[wws]

if i wanted wild inaccurate guesses I'd just read the Star
fans always exaggerate their own attendances, and in my experience are hilariously wrong in estimating their own attendances

when you hear the odd official figure from those working at the clubs it always makes me laugh at these postings on message boards by fans

[A face]

I cant speak for anyone else on this. The figures for City are as accurate as they can be. The reason i posted last is because i know there can be big margins of difference (200-500) but the figures are always close on for City .... i have contested some of them as being too small in the past.

City have had good crowds this year and it is hard to nail it down to within the last 20-30 but while they might not be totally accurate, if you go with the lowest figure then you can be confident enough with averages etc.

The whole reason this was started was so that we could compare to the papers on the figures, with fans giving figures as accurate as possible.

Man ... if you are happy with the paper then fine.
For those interested ... you know the score.

[wws]

i think the central point im making is that NIETHER are anything other than guides and having spoken to teh CCFC chairman before the Pats game I would not agree with the estimates of corks support, I'll be slaughtered for that here but I think he'd have a more accurate idea than posters here

[A face]

So you have heard the actual figures and dont come on here and said the said figure were not accurate yet not enlightened us as to what they really were.


Thsat's great fella .... real nice of you. Cheers. :confused:

[wws]

I heard a few comments from your boss that led me to believe that the figures posted here are not accurate end of story

as they were comments on something unrealted I m not going to put them here

I'm not winding up. If you feel there is value in fans guesses than far enough, we'll agree to disagree as in my experience fans rarely guess near the actual attendance

[pete]

Club chairmen are likely to only quote figures for those who paid at the gate i.e. not sponsors, season tickets holders etc...

Fans just usually just guess the who ground & as you say are usually too high. I'd be surprised if citys average was less than 4500 & theres no way is less than 4000 for this season.

[wws]

citys crowds are good and I'm not disputing that I'm just pouring cold water over these estimates as they contribute little in the way of hard fact to the attendance debate and actually a pain in the arse to me

[wws]

Originally posted by wws
chippie posted this on the bohs board
he is a bohs member

shows how out fans estimations are in nearly all cases:

http://gypsiesweb.proboards14.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1057059492


nearly all those figures in this thread are completely unreliable in my book


your estimate for bohs city was wrong by a full 800 people compared to the official attendance
still think fans estimates are a good idea?

[patsh]

This is just another attempt to have another niggle at Dolan, wws.
It's a fact that City do get an average attendance of close on 5K this season.
It's immaterial wheither you agree with it or not.
Get over your petty obsession with Dolan, for f*cks sake...:rolleyes:

[wws]

bloody hell

ure dumbness has reached new depths
I'm actually on topic here oddboy
as in I'm queying the merit of an estimated attendance thread
I''m not on about city/dolan/the price of milk or anything else
bar one point: the inaccuracy of fans guesstimates for ALL the above matches.

pete being out by 800 is a pretty strong argument to back up what I'm saying.

Now who's obssessed with dolan oddboy, you 've obviously got him on the brain if you somehow managed to extract that from my posts in this thread.

OBSSESSED!

[Neil]

Look! you've just mentioned Dolan TWICE again!

Jeeze! Get over it ya jackeen... :rolleyes:

[wws]

attendances neil, a t t e n d a n c e s
try to stay on topic pulleeease :o

[pineapple stu]

It's a fair point, although if we all seem to be overestimating, and all by say 400-500, at least the table will show the best-supported clubs and give others an idea as to who's struggling. And annual trends should be reasonable as well.

Obviously it's fairly arbitrary, but it's better than nothing.

With regards club officials, whenever I ask the UCD officials what the gate was, they can only reply in terms of "There were x people paid" or "The gate receipts were so much", so officials' estimates can ignore season ticket holders, press and assorted other people who get in for free which the casual fan would pick up, and so those estimates can be too low.

[Dodge]

Well several English clubs take it for granted that season ticket holders go to games. For clubs like Pats, Bohs , Cork etc where you buy tickets and then go to gate, we should have definite figures. Bring on UEFA licensing

[Macy]

Originally posted by pete
Round 12:
Longford v Shel$

I'd say just 1800-2000 out in Mullologher on Tuesday...

[patsh]

Originally posted by wws
bloody hell

ure dumbness has reached new depths

OBSSESSED!
Not sure who "ure dumbness" is, (maybe he was associated with Ultravox ?), but it certainly is easy to get you going.
One mention of Pat, and off you go...:D :D
to quote your own words...OBSSESSED!
:D :D :D

[Macy]

Originally posted by pineapple stu
It's a fair point, although if we all seem to be overestimating, and all by say 400-500, at least the table will show the best-supported clubs and give others an idea as to who's struggling. And annual trends should be reasonable as well.

Obviously it's fairly arbitrary, but it's better than nothing.

With regards club officials, whenever I ask the UCD officials what the gate was, they can only reply in terms of "There were x people paid" or "The gate receipts were so much", so officials' estimates can ignore season ticket holders, press and assorted other people who get in for free which the casual fan would pick up, and so those estimates can be too low.
I tend to err on the side of caution with mine.... so thats no good.... Basically if some clubs are over estimating, and others being accrurate it's not even reliable for that - you're talking of an error margin of 16-17% for most clubs....

With regards season tickets - I think most clubs in England count season tickets for every match.... Personally I think this is acceptable as in effect a ticket has been sold for the game....

btw Dodge do Pats season tickets have to get a ticket as well, or just show their card?

[TommyT]

wws this thread has been largely free of the ''we had four thousand youse had forty'' type comments. Your right though a lot of fans see attendences in terms of yet more one upmanship and show ridiculous bias when estimating them. The estimate I did myself of Rovers average last season was confirmed by Maguire at one of the public meetings.

Pete club chairmen are likely to be aware how many sponsors etc come in so would have a better idea than you seem to believe. It seems obvious off the telly that corks crowds aren't quite at the height they were last year but a lot of City fans just go on arguing in favour of bloated rounded figures. Tht said I'd agree the average is almost definitely over 4500.

[Dr.Nightdub]

I'd say 2250 for Derry-Pats the other night: 1000 in the shed, 800 in the stand, 150 Pats and 300 between all those schoolboy teams to the left of where we were

[Slash/ED]

Shels Drogheda was a poor crowd, around 2000/2250 I'd say, then again I'm normally useless at judgeing these things.

[Dr.Nightdub]

I'd guess 4200 for Pats-Shels last night. Stand was full but not spilling over into the aisles, Camac was jointed but not as much as against Rovers or Bohs, hardly anyone in the Shed, usual smattering at the turnstile end.

[TheRealRovers]

I think next season all clubs have to put counters on their turnstiles under the new UEFA rules

[TommyT]

http://gypsiesweb.proboards14.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1058015121

[TommyT]

Rovers-Bogford 1250

[Dr.Nightdub]

Probably about 3000 at Drogs-Pats last night, long terrace was about 2/3 full, roughly 300 of us on the short terrace, couldn't see the stand.

[Neil]

Waterford v City:
700 City
900 Blues
I'd geuss...

[pineapple stu]

Shels v. UCD 1000-ish.

[pineapple stu]

Originally posted by Neil
Waterford v City:
700 City
900 Blues
I'd geuss...

:confused:

Sounds very low for a local derby match when Waterford are doing well in the league and many of their crowds have higher than that?!

Or have all the Waterford fans gone back to the pub after the team lost a couple of games?:D

[Rocky]

Reckon about 1,200/300 for Sligo Kildare. About 20/30 County fans.

[BobtheDrog]

reports give the drogs pats game as anywhere between 2,500 and 3,000

[TheRealRovers]

Reckon about 1,200/300 for Sligo Kildare. About 20/30 County fans.

Ya around that

[pete]

Originally posted by pineapple stu
:confused:

Sounds very low for a local derby match when Waterford are doing well in the league and many of their crowds have higher than that?!

Or have all the Waterford fans gone back to the pub after the team lost a couple of games?:D


Yup, very poor attendance by the home fans.

:eek:

[pineapple stu]

500 tops at Belfield last night for UCD v. Drogheda.

Should be a big crowd on Monday though...

[TommyT]

Rovers-Jammyford 1500, or slightly less

[Dodge]

Originally posted by TommyT
Rovers-Jammyford 1500, or slightly less

I thought that looking in on Friday but the star had 2,500. The stand holds 2,000 and wasn't even half filled. There are going to be serious shocks when UEFA licensing comes in...

[pineapple stu]

UCD - Jammy Rovers 1400-ish