Maddy McCann

[BohsPartisan]

You probably googled that! :p

[osarusan]

. As for putting up a banner at a Drogheda V Bohs game live on an Irish language TV channel, whats the point?

If an Irish holiday maker saw her face on the TV that night, and recognised her somewhere in the world tomorow (and had they not been watching Bohs vs. Drogheda, the image wouldn't have been fresh in their mind), and as a result, she was safely rescued, would it not have been a worthwhile enterprise?

Is it a highly unlikely scenario, but still possible. And I'm willing to have a harmless banner at a football match, to allow that highly unlikely scenario a chance to become reality.

I agree that this whole thing has become a media circus, with many people in it for the wrong reasons, but we need to be careful not to lump in those who are genuinely trying to find her with those who just want to be part of the show.

[Dodge]

In fairness I think most people are in it for the right reasons BUT if only they'd put that energy into something a bit more realistic or dare I say it worthwhile. Bohs fans ;) putting up a banner doesn't bother me, the ridiculously OTT reactions from others do.

Agree with most of the comments so far on the parents too. The blog thingy is disgraceful

[RogerMilla]

In Ken Bigleys case, you couldn't raise why he was out there in the first place, just the same as you can't raise what the fook the parents were doing leaving 3 kids alone in an apartment while they went for drinks and dinner.

i had forgotten about that macy , feckin daftness being out there alright , no bloody money is worth that

[OneRedArmy]

If an Irish holiday maker saw her face on the TV that night, and recognised her somewhere in the world tomorow (and had they not been watching Bohs vs. Drogheda, the image wouldn't have been fresh in their mind), and as a result, she was safely rescued, would it not have been a worthwhile enterprise?
You are creating a hypothetical world of absolutes, when in the real world we deal with imperfection and uncertainties.

There is only a given amount of media exposure, if you rephrase your question as would I rather see one white middle class child, abducted as a result of her parents actions, found (alive or dead) or would I prefer to highlight the death of hundreds of thousands of children/adults etc through no fault of their own in places like Iraq, Africa etc. then this becomes a much more relevant question.

[osarusan]

There is only a given amount of media exposure, if you rephrase your question as would I rather see one white middle class child, abducted as a result of her parents actions, found (alive or dead) or would I prefer to highlight the death of hundreds of thousands of children/adults etc through no fault of their own in places like Iraq, Africa etc. then this becomes a much more relevant question.


First of all, she was not abducted as a result of her parents actions, unless they paid someone to abduct her or did it themselves. She was left alone as a result of her parents actions.

Second of all, why is this story constantly being linked with Iraq? I havent mentioned in my post, all I said was that a banner at a game may possibly do some good, and cant do any harm (if, as I also said in my post, it is being done for the right reasons).

The question you have asked is not a rephrasing of my original question, it is a completely new question, and in the context of my post, an irrelevant one.

[bellavistaman]

Acccording to sky news website there makin an appeal to irish tourists to check their photos????? Y just irish?

[NeilMcD]

Plea For Missing Girl Holiday Snaps

Updated: 13:27, Tuesday June 19, 2007
Madeleine McCann's parents will appeal to Irish tourists to check holiday snaps for clues - while the flat their child was abducted from reportedly sold for half price.
RTE presenter with girl's parents
RTE presenter with girl's parents

Madeleine's parents Kate McCann, 38, and Gerry, 39, will appear on television to ask anyone who took a trip to Portugal in early May to send photos to British investigators.

A spokesman for Irish broadcaster RTE said: "They wanted to appeal to any Irish person who may have been in the Praia Da Luz area and ask them specifically ... to look at the backgrounds."

It is now around six weeks since the Leicestershire girl vanished from the Algarve holiday apartment she was sharing with her parents and two younger siblings.

Recent Irish visitors to the Portuguese holiday resort are being asked to upload their photos to the UK's Child Exploitation website - www.ceopupload.com.
Ocean Club complex
Ocean Club complex

Mrs McCann said: "There has been so much support from Ireland. We're overwhelmed. We'd reckon half the letters we have are from the Irish."

The two-bedroom apartment the family rented in Praia da Luz went on the market for £75,000 last week.

A British couple offered the asking price within days and they have already completed the deal, according to Portuguese newspapers.

The Sun said the market rate for similar properties was £150,000.

It quoted a source as saying: "You would think it would have been hard to sell it, but the buyers were obviously not concerned about its past."

The four-year-old was kidnapped 47 days ago.

Mr McCann has spoken with police about claims that friends and family destroyed vital evidence by searching the flat.

Local police chief Olegario Sousa said that more than 20 people went inside the flat in the hours after Madeleine was snatched.

[OneRedArmy]

The question you have asked is not a rephrasing of my original question, it is a completely new question, and in the context of my post, an irrelevant one.The question you raised in your original post was irrelevant, having totally ignored reality.

[osarusan]

The question you raised in your original post was irrelevant, having totally ignored reality.

No, it is possible that somebody could have seen the poster/sign, and then saved the child. In my post, I said it was highly unlikely, but possible (It still is possible, too). Therefore I haven't totally ignored reality.

The point was made that it wass worthless to put this poster at an eL game. My poit is that the efforts may have been in vain, but also may have helped to produce a result. Therefore I felt it wasnt a pointless effort.

[BohsPartisan]

The whole world knows what Maddy McCann looks like. That poster at a Bohs game won't make any difference whatsoever.

[reder]

My poit is that the efforts may have been in vain, but also may have helped to produce a result. Therefore I felt it wasnt a pointless effort.

Perfectly put. I fail to see what harm the banner has done. May I ask, if the banner appears at future Bohs game will the owners be requested to remove it?

If so, serious thumbs down to Bohs.

People bring banners with various messages to games as it means something to them personally. For all you know, the owner/s of the banner may have had a son/daugther or relation who went missing and this banner is there way of doing their bit for the cause.

[osarusan]

The whole world knows what Maddy McCann looks like. That poster at a Bohs game won't make any difference whatsoever.


But to be fair, you can't say that for sure.

Even if there is a 1 in a million chance, isnt it a chance worth taking?

As I said earlier, I agree that it has become a media circus, and many people are in this for their own benefit, but what harm can a banner at an eL game actually do?

[Risteard]

Even if there is a 1 in a million chance,
I don't think there is.
Zero in fact, i'd say.
2,000 at the match. Maybe another 10,000 watching TG4.
I'd be very surprised if 10 of those people found out just from that poster what the girl looks like. Of those 10, there's then maybe a one in million chance of one of those people having seen the child.
The poster is of no use.

[osarusan]

There isn't.

One in 5 million?

[bellavistaman]

any body tell me y just irish, i know there would have been alot of irish tourists out there but many other nationalities too.

[Risteard]

My calculations above.
I think the figure i worked out there is 1 in 1,200,000,000.
For arguments sake, lets say zero.

[reder]

I don't think there is.
Zero in fact, i'd say.
2,000 at the match. Maybe another 10,000 watching TG4.
I'd be very surprised if 10 of those people found out just from that poster what the girl looks like. Of those 10, there's then maybe a one in million chance of one of those people having seen the child.
The poster is of no use.

Can you tell me what harm the poster is doing though. What does it bother you so much? Its a poster, get over it.

[reder]

any body tell me y just irish, i know there would have been alot of irish tourists out there but many other nationalities too.

Cos the resort is probably noted for Irish and English tourists, mostly. This one was probably a mix but alot of irish probably go there.

[Boh_So_Good]

Can you tell me what harm the poster is doing though.

It takes the heat off the McCann's shocking lack of responsible parenting and replacing this very real issue with people who buy into the McCann's cynical self-serving public manipulation. The Cult of Maddy is preventing the serious questions which need to be asked of the McCann from being asked.

This was a tragedy which could of easily avoided and nobody in the Irish and British media seems to want to point this out.

I want to point this out, because I think it's important.

[BohsPartisan]

Also it sets a ridiculous precedent. What if everyone who knows someone who went missing wants to put up banners with their face at Dalyer? The shopping centre end is not a milk carton.

[osarusan]

It takes the heat off the McCann's shocking lack of responsible parenting and replacing this very real issue with people who buy into the McCann's cynical self-serving public manipulation. The Cult of Maddy is preventing the serious questions which need to be asked of the McCann from being asked.

This was a tragedy which could of easily avoided and nobody in the Irish and British media seems to want to point this out.

I want to point this out, because I think it's important.

I fully agree with all this, but having said that, I think we all would like her to be found, alive (even though it is highly unlikely), and any honest effort which may result in that shouldnt be condemned.

There seem to be two attitudes against the poster -

1. It won't make any difference so why bother? (which is pretty defeatist)

2. This kind of thing has no place at a football match. (which I think is pretty cold)

[anto1208]

It takes the heat off the McCann's shocking lack of responsible parenting and replacing this very real issue with people who buy into the McCann's cynical self-serving public manipulation. The Cult of Maddy is preventing the serious questions which need to be asked of the McCann from being asked.

This was a tragedy which could of easily avoided and nobody in the Irish and British media seems to want to point this out.

I want to point this out, because I think it's important.

Yea there are questions to be asked but why now , what is more important finding the kid or finding who's to blame . Like in the south park beaver dam episode ( i get my moral guidance from south park ) where instead of rescuing the people trapped they wasted all there time finding out who was to blame .

It also teaches us jews carry a purse of jew gold around there neck :D

[reder]

Also it sets a ridiculous precedent. What if everyone who knows someone who went missing wants to put up banners with their face at Dalyer? The shopping centre end is not a milk carton.

Jesus, as each day passes and I learn more about the EL it is so evident that Bohs really are the Everton FC or the EL. Whinge moan, negative ....... You probably blame Rovers (your main rivals????) for everything. (Are Rovers the most sucessful club in Ireland, by any chance??)

Its a banner, get over it. I think its more than worth it as there is a 1 billion - 1 chance that she may be found as a result which is better than nothing!

Would be no harm if banners were put up at your games, it might give them impression that you actually have a decent number of home fans!!!

[BohsPartisan]

What do we blame Rovers for?

[osarusan]

Jesus, as each day passes and I learn more about the EL it is so evident that Bohs really are the Everton FC or the EL. Whinge moan, negative ....... You probably blame Rovers (your main rivals????) for everything. (Are Rovers the most sucessful club in Ireland, by any chance??)

Its a banner, get over it. I think its more than worth it as there is a 1 billion - 1 chance that she may be found as a result which is better than nothing!

Would be no harm if banners were put up at your games, it might give them impression that you actually have a decent number of home fans!!!

try to keep it on track........this kind of post won't do anything to make people listen to you on the poster issue.

[reder]

try to keep it on track........this kind of post won't do anything to make people listen to you on the poster issue.

Your right actually. Still no decent reason from those who oppose the banner as to why it shouldnt be visible at a game? Cant see what harm its doing.

[John83]

What do we blame Rovers for?
I find that the more fun game is "What can we blame Shams for?"

[Jerry The Saint]

I find that the more fun game is "What can we blame Shams for?"


Is reder trying to blame Shamrock for Maddy going missing? Disgraceful if true. :mad:

[bellavistaman]

Found out y just irish tourists, because Prime Time, or Crimeline went over to Portugal to interview the parents of Madeline! And they plead with the people of Ireland then. ha. My curiosity solved.

[Vitruvian Man]

It takes the heat off the McCann's shocking lack of responsible parenting and replacing this very real issue with people who buy into the McCann's cynical self-serving public manipulation. The Cult of Maddy is preventing the serious questions which need to be asked of the McCann from being asked.

This was a tragedy which could of easily avoided and nobody in the Irish and British media seems to want to point this out.

I want to point this out, because I think it's important.

BSG you can have a go at the media circus and all the cynical and amoral characters who are making a buck or building their image (to make money) off this case.

But I don't understand the thrust of your main point - that the McCann parents deserve to be punished. I don't know if you are a parent or not yourself, but I have to say, having your child kidnapped, realising after a few weeks the strong liklihood that she has been murdered, and also having the fear that these acts were done in order that she be sexually abused... Plus, on top of that, not even having the body to bury, is a punishment of a magnatude far beyond your couple of "hard questions" or a 6 month suspended sentence that a court might hand down for neglect. I think you are losing sight of that - or maybe not.

Most of your posts seem to be taking the tone of a conspiracy theory. You might want to have a look at that in relation to how people live their lives according to propaganda from Sky News, because conspiracy theories are the opposite side to the same coin of some oddball hanging a flag at an irrelevant football game in another country.

You seem to be saying that the McCann parents are amoral and cynical people themselves who are attempting to make some kind of profit from the media circus. In fact, reading between the lines of your posts, I think I have got where you are really coming from so I am going to invite you to say it out load. Is it your opinion that the McCann parents killed their daughter and the rest is their grotesque attempt at a diversion and cover-up?

Now it is commonly accepted that the majoity of serious crimes (murders and rapes etc) are committed by somebody known to the victim. In fact quite a high percentage of murders are committed by family members. But this is usually where the police start their investigation - but if they are following this line of inquiry they are certainly doing it in secret. Or maybe the Portugese police are bumbling fools just like Sky News say they are. But, I have to hand it to you, despite not having any first hand access to any of the evidence or people you managed to crack it when the cops did not.

As for the huge outpouring of support, emphathy and whatever other foolishness the Irish public are getting up to I'd say it's becuase most parents are human and at some stage of their lives they have selfishly put themselves ahead of their children in some minor way (like leaving them unattended while they went into the shops or whatever) and got away with it. This case is a warning to them and a reminder of their guilt, that is why you see the reaction you do.

But if you want a bit of good old fashioned revenge as well, then a scolding from the police, pointless court appearance + minor sentence and taking their remaining children away from their parents and into an orphanage should do the trick.

That'll teach those smug child-leaving b*stards.

[Boh_So_Good]

having your child kidnapped,

One simple question in response to this. Where is the proof that Maddy was kidnapped?

There is far more proof she woke in the middle of the night. Was terrified her parents had left her, went looking for them and fell off a pier or wandered into the woods.

Now let that sink in for a bit.

Kinda puts a whole other perspective on the case when it finally dawns on people that there may not be the bogie man which the McCanns are hiding behind. Look at them on RTE news tonight. Determined to look for "suspects" using facial recognition technology when the muppets couldn't call a babysitter!

There is far more proof that Maddy died because of rotten parenting than by the hands of an Ian Huntley type. But the McCanns and media act as it kidnapping theory is the only game in town.

Well, it isn't. I am sorry, even if Maddy is found alive and well and I hope she is. That pair of loolahs need to be locked up and their other kids placed in foster care.

[FarmHoop]

Im looking to bring a poster or flag like that at bohs-drogs away soon, anyone know where to get one?

[Risteard]

What does it bother you so much? Its a poster, get over it.
What the ****?
Where do I say i'm bothered?


I don't think there is.
Zero in fact, i'd say.
2,000 at the match. Maybe another 10,000 watching TG4.
I'd be very surprised if 10 of those people found out just from that poster what the girl looks like. Of those 10, there's then maybe a one in million chance of one of those people having seen the child.
The poster is of no use.


My calculations above.
I think the figure i worked out there is 1 in 1,200,000,000.
For arguments sake, lets say zero.
Now I am bothered.
Don't bother trying to tar me as a careless ignorant.

I hope the girl is found soon but the only chance of that is if they find a corpse.
Best they can hope for is probably something like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natascha_Kampusch) although that might be worse for her parents some might think.
My point is that displaying the flag at Bohs-Drogs match is futile.
Now if 50% of people around Ireland who recognise Madeleines McCanns face and eyes (which is a great thing) were familiar with these (http://www.missing.ws/_missingPersons/missingPerson.asp?id=16)
th (http://www.lisadorrian.co.uk/)ree (http://www.missing.ws/_missingPersons/missingPerson.asp?id=160) people (http://www.missing.ws/_missingPersons/missingPerson.asp?id=49) I'm certain there'd be movement on the cases.

[strangeirish]

Now if 50% of people around Ireland who recognise Madeleines McCanns face and eyes (which is a great thing) were familiar with these (http://www.missing.ws/_missingPersons/missingPerson.asp?id=16)
th (http://www.lisadorrian.co.uk/)ree (http://www.missing.ws/_missingPersons/missingPerson.asp?id=160) people (http://www.missing.ws/_missingPersons/missingPerson.asp?id=49) I'm certain there'd be movement on the cases.
I agree and if you don't mind Risteard, I'm going to add a Friend (http://www.missing.ws/_missingPersons/missingPerson.asp?id=41) of mine to that list.

[Risteard]

McCanns on Crimewatch now.

[Risteard]

Great stuff strangeirish. Was not a close friend of Pearse Cremin but he gave me many laughs and made me a better tennis player :cool:. Met his brother a while back. He was very collected talking about him but left a big impression on me.
Here (http://www.missing.ws/_missingPersons/missingPersons.asp)'s the homepage for those Irish missing people.
I know that there are others aswell who haven't been publicised.
Obviously a lot of those cases will be unresolved, but there is definitely information out there and their families can be assisted by any news.

[strangeirish]

Yeah, basically I came over to the US with John Rowan. Mad as a hatter. Most of his family live here also. They manage to keep his name in the local paper, as his mother is now very involved in our area with missing persons. Tragic and painful for all those families.

[Vitruvian Man]

One simple question in response to this. Where is the proof that Maddy was kidnapped?

There is far more proof she woke in the middle of the night. Was terrified her parents had left her, went looking for them and fell off a pier or wandered into the woods.

Now let that sink in for a bit.

Kinda puts a whole other perspective on the case when it finally dawns on people that there may not be the bogie man which the McCanns are hiding behind. Look at them on RTE news tonight. Determined to look for "suspects" using facial recognition technology when the muppets couldn't call a babysitter!

There is far more proof that Maddy died because of rotten parenting than by the hands of an Ian Huntley type. But the McCanns and media act as it kidnapping theory is the only game in town.

Well, it isn't. I am sorry, even if Maddy is found alive and well and I hope she is. That pair of loolahs need to be locked up and their other kids placed in foster care.

Again I must commend you on cracking the case using only newpapers and TV for information. Imagine that the police would release all that information about an abduction without thinking she fell down a hole a few hundred yards away from the hotel.

Perhaps you should give them a call and save them all the hassle of serching for perps.

[Boh_So_Good]

Again I must commend you on cracking the case using only newpapers and TV for information. Imagine that the police would release all that information about an abduction without thinking she fell down a hole a few hundred yards away from the hotel.

They release little or no information because they are lost for evidence. The only person who saw anything was a relative of the McCanns who gave some strange story about a man carrying a bag outside the apartment. This was later changed to "a mistake". This whole case is weird on every level. I have never come across anything like it in my life. From the events of that night to the whole weird money circus afterwards and yet people like yourself continue to act as if the McCanns are Parents of the Year and they bare no responsbility. This is what I do not understand. How can anyone condone leaving three infants alone in a foreign hotel room. If the McCanns were from a council estate and not enjoying the easy ride their social peers in journalism are giving them they would have been public enemy No 1 a long time ago. Old fashioned snobbery.


Perhaps you should give them a call and save them all the hassle of serching for perps.

I would of rather the McCann's gave the baby sitting service a call the night they went out and this thread was not needed.

Sad to think if this "professional couple" followed though on basic parenting then Maddy would not be missing, perhaps dead.

[NY Hoop]

I find that the more fun game is "What can we blame Shams for?"

Better fun game if you could actually get the name of the club right.

For a boez fan BSG's initial long post was excellent. Dont think I am alone in being sick to fcuk of this by now. It has taken on a life of its own. Did the parents not leave the child alone?

Near where I live there is a religious icon and while walking home saw yellow ribbons on it a few weeks ago. Initial thoughts were they were for US soldiers serving abroad as had seen them in the states but when I saw that kids face I recoiled.

Now I have nothing but sympathy for the kid and indeed kids of all stupid parents but the poster from some boez fan is going too far. I'm sure this boez fan is the same mensa candidate who hangs his flag off the floodlight at every game at dalier.


KOH

[BohsPartisan]

Now I have nothing but sympathy for the kid and indeed kids of all stupid parents but the poster from some boez fan is going too far. I'm sure this boez fan is the same mensa candidate who hangs his flag off the floodlight at every game at dalier.


KOH

No, people I saw hanging it up at the Pats game (I think one of the two blokes was a scouser) were not familiar faces. No idea who your man is tbh.

[John83]

Better fun game if you could actually get the name of the club right.
More fun still getting a rise out of Shams fans every time I refer to their club.

[BohsPartisan]

More fun still getting a rise out of Shams fans every time I refer to their club.

Even Shams fans are calling them Shams these days!

DvB (http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=705914&postcount=11) and Farmhoop (http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=706116&postcount=16)

[DvB]

Even Shams fans are calling them Shams these days!

DvB (http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=705914&postcount=11) and Farmhoop (http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=706116&postcount=16)

Just copying & pasting (lazy git me, hadn't even noticed it until now TBH:)), still, can't be bothered getting my boxers in a twist over how some people choose to abbreviate the clubs name!

Koh

[reder]

No, people I saw hanging it up at the Pats game (I think one of the two blokes was a scouser) were not familiar faces. No idea who your man is tbh.

I was waiting for it! I just new that somehow, someone would try and drag us into this debate.

PS: You still havent answered the question as to whether or not the banner will be removed at future games.

[BohsPartisan]

Its not up to me to remove it so I don't know. I doubt it will.
And its not my fault if one of them sounded like he had a scouse accent!

[Dodge]

I was waiting for it! I just new that somehow, someone would try and drag us into this debate.

Are you from Liverpool?

[BohsPartisan]

Are you from Liverpool?

AFAIK he is. He's just living over here.

[Soper]

Maybe it was him with the banner? CO-INK-I-DINK I think not.