Fenlon and Derry City

[Risteard]

7 or 8 I spoke to in the Oak

[Risteard]

Ye can't seem to perform in the second half at all.
Is he any closer to the door or likely to be given a full disappointing season to get things going(worked after 2005)?
I suppose there wouldn't have been much hope held out for last night.

[lofty9]

Ye can't seem to perform in the second half at all.
Is he any closer to the door or likely to be given a full disappointing season to get things going(worked after 2005)?
I suppose there wouldn't have been much hope held out for last night.


Not within my circle of family and friends is Fenlon getting any blame. The goalkeeping situation is the only thing that concerns us. The defence hardly can perform with Side Show Bob and Krusty playing behind them. I thought last night after an hour we were going to win by the required 2 goals and then SSB messes up again. We have taken the lead in all the setanta games that we lost , I'm sure with a goalkeeper of some calibre I have no doubts that we would have been sitting at the top of the group.

[Risteard]

Wasn't Jennings Junior actually good when he covered for Forde?
If i was Fenlon I'd kill for Mark McNulty.
The only place where City have a perfect replacement on the bench.
Thankfully, I don't think he'd be let go.
Would it appear the DCFC fans i sampled aren't representative so?
Is it 50-50?

[lofty9]

Jennings saved 3 pens against Shels in the league cup final. He promptly blotted that by getting sent off in the next game in the league vs Shels. Again we threw away a 2 nil lead in that game. He was desperate when he signed for us. In the year Dykes had us himself and Ciaran Kelly were the keepers, both were as bad as the other. Kelly has disapearred from the radar completely, Jennings still with us. He's a bad number two and that's it. If McNulty is any good he should get himself up here to play regular football.

There is only a few hotheads who are against Fenlon. Most people blame the players and the players I know blame themselves.

[OneRedArmy]

Jennings saved 3 pens against Shels in the league cup final. He promptly blotted that by getting sent off in the next game in the league vs Shels. Again we threw away a 2 nil lead in that game. He was desperate when he signed for us. In the year Dykes had us himself and Ciaran Kelly were the keepers, both were as bad as the other. Kelly has disapearred from the radar completely, Jennings still with us. He's a bad number two and that's it. If McNulty is any good he should get himself up here to play regular football.

There is only a few hotheads who are against Fenlon. Most people blame the players and the players I know blame themselves.Fair summary. I agree with all of the above.

[pineapple stu]

He promptly blotted that by getting sent off in the next game in the league vs Shels.
Funny - I thought that was a shocking referee decision, which was brought about by a Dublin conspiracy?

Derry had the chance to sign Dean Delaney and Darren Quigley in pre-season; don't know why they didn't.

[Sam_Heggy]

Funny - I thought that was a shocking referee decision, which was brought about by a Dublin conspiracy?

Derry had the chance to sign Dean Delaney and Darren Quigley in pre-season; don't know why they didn't.

Delaney was offered a contract and he refused it. Thats coming from the man himself. He is on better money with Waterford, than what was on offer at Derry simple as.
Quigley is a decent Keeper and im shocked Derry didnt sign him. (maybe the same reason as Delaney but i dont know)

At Harps i was confident that we had two of the best keepers in Div1 (ive been prooved wrong since though) I think Keeper is one of the hardest positions to fill and it goes to show how good forde actually is :eek:

[DmanDmythDledge]

Quigley is a decent Keeper and im shocked Derry didnt sign him. (maybe the same reason as Delaney but i dont know)
I'm almost certain that Quigley rejected a move to Derry in the winter.

[charliesboots]

Have Derry any outfield players that could go in goal until July?

If Derry continue as they are they're going to embarrass the league in Europe this season.

[OneRedArmy]

If Derry continue as they are they're going to embarrass the league in Europe this season.There's a rule in place that you have to wait 10 years before a Pats fan can mention "Europe" and "embarrass" in the same sentence.

A few more to go yet.

[charliesboots]

There's a rule in place that you have to wait 10 years before a Pats fan can mention "Europe" and "embarrass" in the same sentence.

A few more to go yet.

We've served our sentence and are now returning fully rehabilitated!! Think we must have had two years suspended.

[Jerry The Saint]

We've served our sentence and are now returning fully rehabilitated!! Think we must have had two years suspended.

Let off early for good behaviour. :)

[lofty9]

Have Derry any outfield players that could go in goal until July?

If Derry continue as they are they're going to embarrass the league in Europe this season.

July July! I'm sure there will be more keepers available in the summer than was on offer in Dec and Jan. We'll be ok hopefully to stay within touching distance. A nice wee unbeaten run from then might see a return on my 11/2. Oh the optimism!!

[cestlavie]

Still no pressure on him, but you should keep your campaign to yourself as Higgsy and McCann would be on the list to take over!

Id hardly say that if you see the job they are doing at Finn Park, Higsy may be noisy, some say a motivator but he clearly hasnt a clue when it comes to coaching or management

[Poor Student]

Derry had the chance to sign Dean Delaney and Darren Quigley in pre-season; don't know why they didn't.

Sure Matt Gregg was available. Not saying he's amazing but he's a solid enough option.

[cestlavie]

However hes doign he doesnt have the same budget nor the same wage. Your supposed to get what you paid for. If Fenlon is this bad on what you paid imagine how bad he would get if you doubled his salary :D

I bet you would just love to have our manager right now. I mean a statue would be just as good - 1 point out of a possible 15 :p . Heck, you would be a better manager yourselfs all of you


Finn Harps manager got more funds and backing than the previous 2 managers but is still doing a crap job. Cut backs are looming again Id say. Which players will be snapped up this year, or would anybody want them????

[kdjaC]

Can they not get one in on loan ?

Can you sign players who have been released, teams are releasing players now.


kdjac

[DmanDmythDledge]

Can they not get one in on loan ?

Can you sign players who have been released, teams are releasing players now.


kdjac
Can't sign loan players, but I'm pretty sure you can sign players that are un-attatched.

[charliesboots]

Can't sign loan players, but I'm pretty sure you can sign players that are un-attatched.

unless they've played for two other clubs since July....oh wait that only applies to Corkies!!! :D

[nzamcdza]

"apparently" fenlon was in england during the week looking at some un-attached keepers.

Although if they were un-attached you would have to wonder at what he was watching them doing?

[finnpark]

"apparently" fenlon was in england during the week looking at some un-attached keepers.

Although if they were un-attached you would have to wonder at what he was watching them doing?

Also, if they are unattached they must be no good. Why would they be unattached if they were any good.

[Steve Bruce]

Also, if they are unattached they must be no good. Why would they be unattached if they were any good.

Apart from the top flight in England, money is very tight and there are literally hundreds of players every season let go and haven't been able to find a new club.

You'll be suprized with how good some players are who are unattached.

Every player Linfield signs are free players and we have argueably the best squad on the island.

We've also had players in the past who where unnached - Phil Charnock, Kenny Irons & Paul Dalglish who where all good players.

Saying that there are some terrible ones to Fitzrooy Simpson to name one(who is a former internional 40 odd caps or more and played in the Premiership regulary for Man City).

[nzamcdza]

Is Angel unattached, because if not how did new york get him outside the transfer window?

[Steve Bruce]

Is Angel unattached, because if not how did new york get him outside the transfer window?

I believe they have different transfer windows to the UK and Ireland.

[BohsPartisan]

Every player Linfield signs are free players

Was Downey free?

[Steve Bruce]

Was Downey free?

Sorry forgot about that, he has been injured for most of his time here. He cost 5k.

My point anyway was, there are many good unattached/free players about. Linfields squad nearly all freebies.

[Risteard]

Their defence is gone to crap.
Derry might be able to get away with the odd defensive error to poor players and teams in games like this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=BwjiXyKh9WI) but will be made pay by the better teams.:p

[finnpark]

and we have argueably the best squad on the island

:D You don't believe that surely

[Steve Bruce]

:D You don't believe that surely

We've played this Setanta cup with a lot of fringe players and have beaten the LOIs 2 biggest favourites.

We are unbeated in 15 group games in the Setanta and have been the most consistant team in the Setanta over the last 3 years.

Topped the group last season with the two teams who came first and 2nd. We have topped the group this season who are 1st and 2nd favourites.

So why should I not believe it? I've now produced my proof behind my comment, you now disprove it.

[OneRedArmy]

We've played this Setanta cup with a lot of fringe players and have beaten the LOIs 2 biggest favourites.

We are unbeated in 15 group games in the Setanta and have been the most consistant team in the Setanta over the last 3 years.

Topped the group last season with the two teams who came first and 2nd. We have topped the group this season who are 1st and 2nd favourites.

So why should I not believe it? I've now produced my proof behind my comment, you now disprove it.
We'll see how you do in Europe.

Coincidentally, you've forgotten to mention the Setanta is partly a pre-season tournament for Eircom League teams.

Its impossible to compare like with like with two different seasons.

[Danny]

We've played this Setanta cup with a lot of fringe players and have beaten the LOIs 2 biggest favourites.

We are unbeated in 15 group games in the Setanta and have been the most consistant team in the Setanta over the last 3 years.

Topped the group last season with the two teams who came first and 2nd. We have topped the group this season who are 1st and 2nd favourites.

So why should I not believe it? I've now produced my proof behind my comment, you now disprove it.


But you havent played the saints yet.

[finnpark]

So why should I not believe it? I've now produced my proof behind my comment, you now disprove it.

The UEFA rankings show that our league is much btter than yours and you have not won your league by all that much. Furthermore your performances in Europe have been pathetic year in year out while Eircom league sides are progressing more than 2 rounds in some cases against some rated sides.

The setanta cup comes at a time when Eircom league sides are only getting into the swing of things while Lingfield and all have much of their season behind them so the fact that you are amateur is eliminated by that. If the same competition started in August no Ni team would qualify for the next round.

Also, you forgot to mention the fact that Eircom league sides have to play much bigger games at weekends than Lingfield et al taking a lot of focus away from their midweek matches. A big difference between playing Bohs at the weekend to playing Dungannon Swifts. Lingfield have basically a rest every weekend.

[kdjaC]

Also, if they are unattached they must be no good. Why would they be unattached if they were any good.

I would say 90% of the eircom league players were released by english clubs at some stage.


kdjac

[Steve Bruce]

I knew you would use Europe.

Lets look at the basic facts here.

We play in Winter, we don't kick a ball in anger for over 2 months. When you played in Winter you got embarrassing results to.

The Setanta cup starts at the end of your pre-season but hte majority of the tournement is played during our business end of the season when our players face burn out and your players are all fresh and close to match fit.

When Europe comes round you are mid season when your fitness levels are obviously going to be at your peak.

And also who was comparing leagues? I wasn't I was comparing Linfield to the best you have and to be honest, your best is no better than Linfield. Our results against your best at any time of the Setanta has proven this.

2 years on the trot we where in the so called group of death and came out top both times quite convincingly.

We have nothing to prove, we have already done that.

[finnpark]

My prediction of Fenlon being the 1st manager to get the sack are getting closer by the match.

He has the same problems as he had with Shels at the back last season. Also, Farren is wasted with the system he plays. I cannot see Derry winning anything this season under such a poor manager. While Gorman's track record is getting sacked from a 1st Div side.

Pats looked good but Derry were so bad they made Pats look good. The structure of the team has been destroyed similar to what he did at Shels. Looking forward to a Harps-Derry match in the cup. Easy;)

So anyone got any idea who is going to replace him? I think it could be Felix Healy again?

[Bald Student]

"apparently" fenlon was in england during the week looking at some un-attached keepers.Was he looking at the bench tonight? He might have noticed a €50,000 price tag hanging over the UCDD reserve keeper.

[pineapple stu]

Have to say, Derry were very poor tonight. We had plenty of time to get the ball, pass it around, do what we wanted. They were maybe a bit unlucky not to get the draw, but I don't think a fully-pro team like Derry should be losing at home to a part-time team like us with so little fight. They only really got interested after we scored.

The last time we won in Derry, their manager resigned within half an hour. Hasn't happened yet, but maybe by the next game?

[dcfcsteve]

Have to say, Derry were very poor tonight. We had plenty of time to get the ball, pass it around, do what we wanted. They were maybe a bit unlucky not to get the draw, but I don't think a fully-pro team like Derry should be losing at home to a part-time team like us with so little fight. They only really got interested after we scored.

The last time we won in Derry, their manager resigned within half an hour. Hasn't happened yet, but maybe by the next game?

City aren't fully pro. I thought it was only Linfield fans who didn't get this....? :confused:

[pineapple stu]

Are they not? I don't tend to read threads involving youz and Linfield.

Oh well. Yez were muck tonight anyway.

[MariborKev]

City aren't fully pro. I thought it was only Linfield fans who didn't get this....? :confused:

Steve,

Excluding Gary Beckett(who is retiring at the end of this season) can you name the other players who are employed?

[finnpark]

Steve,

Excluding Gary Beckett(who is retiring at the end of this season) can you name the other players who are employed?

Kevin McHugh, Ciaran Martyn was, not sure about rest. I hear most of the rest spend more time in the pubs about Derry than they do training anyway.

Fenlon wont resign, why would he. He is getting loads of cash very handy. And at some stage he will have a lucky run to cover his ass from relegation. Thats how chancers like him work. He will only go when he gets a pay off which should be soon if the Derry board want to avoid getting into a relegation battle. There is very little chance of them getting into Europe. Has Fenlon ever won a cup with Shels in his time in charge? Drogs have the league wrapped imo while Pats look healthy for 2nd or 3rd. Cork are way better than Derry this season from the brief matches Ive seen both teams ie Setanta Cup and other live TV games.

[dcfcsteve]

I hear most of the rest spend more time in the pubs about Derry than they do training anyway.

Fenlon wont resign, why would he. He is getting loads of cash very handy. And at some stage he will have a lucky run to cover his ass from relegation. Thats how chancers like him work. He will only go when he gets a pay off which should be soon if the Derry board want to avoid getting into a relegation battle. There is very little chance of them getting into Europe. Has Fenlon ever won a cup with Shels in his time in charge? Drogs have the league wrapped imo while Pats look healthy for

Given that you also think that a team being mid-table this early on means that they're in a relegation fight, then it's safe to say that your reports and thoughts on issues like this can be safely ignored....

How exactly is Fenlon "a chancer". Is it because he stood by his club and players when Ollie Byrne wwasn't paying wages for significant periods of time last season ? Was it when he turned down a lucrative offer to join Bohs as he was lead to believe that Shelbourne had got their act togetehr ? Some chancer.... :rolleyes: Or was it when you open your mouth and nonesense flows out ?

As for cups - he won 3 league titles at Shels, and they're cups too you know. Maybe you think the mark of a good manager is a cup run. Meanwhile, those with any knowledge of football put greater emphasis upon league titles....

[dcfcsteve]

Steve,

Excluding Gary Beckett(who is retiring at the end of this season) can you name the other players who are employed?

Having any players who are in employment means we are not a full-time club.

For the record, at least Pizza and McHugh have jobs outside of playing for the club.

[EireBadBoy]

City aren't fully pro. I thought it was only Linfield fans who didn't get this....? :confused:


David will no doubt tear himself away from the latest Orange Lodge meeting to gloat in the fact that he has conquered foot.ie and Anglicised the hure out of it, well done fella.

The eternal struggle between part time and pro continues...Ad Nauseam!! :rolleyes:

If Gary Beckett delivers 50 letters before he travels 35 miles to see a friend and passes Chris Morgan on the road who has bought a 35p newspaper out of a fiver who is the most professional and why?

[Poor Student]

Having any players who are in employment means we are not a full-time club.



Pedantic nonsense. Having the overwhelming majority of your squad being full-time makes you full-time.

[pineapple stu]

Especially when compared to us. So my original point stands. Whatever it was.

[daniel]

Derry are not a completely full-time team, yes they have a lot of players who are, but are not completey!!

[BohsPartisan]

Bohs have (AFAIK) two part time players (Harkin and Rossiter). However, seeing as how the rest of our players are full time, I wouldn't dispute the tag Full-Time Club. It would be silly to suggest we were part time on the basis of two players.

[pete]

Bohs have (AFAIK) two part time players (Harkin and Rossiter). However, seeing as how the rest of our players are full time, I wouldn't dispute the tag Full-Time Club. It would be silly to suggest we were part time on the basis of two players.

Cork City are in very similar situation.

I bet Fenlon was hoping he would have away game next week. IMO losing at home to Bohs will be the final nail in the coffin.