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Everyone.
If they win 2 cups I will double it :cool:
*sees finnpark's bank manager and bank account suffer a simultaneous panic attack*
:eek:
*sees finnpark's bank manager and bank account suffer a simultaneous panic attack*
:eek:
:D
Now you all you know why were are in debt!
Note the absence of Derry fans taking up the bet......
I rarely post here but i'll take some of that.....:cool:
Risteard
28/03/2007, 2:13 PM
Are we going to be using Paypal or what?
finnpark
28/03/2007, 2:33 PM
OK, let me know which 2 tenners you want and I will email them on if Derry win 2 cups:
http://www.uktouring.org.uk/thebighum/gallery/3-tenners-stage-t.jpg
I would say I wont be doing much emailing though
You will only get one of the above if Derry only win 1 cup.
Risteard
28/03/2007, 2:43 PM
Whoh whoh whoh.
Back up there.
Its a bit early at this stage to be weasling out of it.
Quite clearly you should be waiting til Derry win the League Cup to start saying stuff like
"Ha, I made a bit of a fool of myself there alright, I'll buy ye a pint next time you're up Ballybofey way."
That way you could act all charismatic as if you would have payed in November when DCFC are trophyless.
bigmac
28/03/2007, 3:00 PM
Funny, I have a recollection of being rubbished on here when I suggested that maybe Fenlon wasn't the wonderful solution that Derry fans thought he might be.
*sits back with understated smugness *
bigmac
28/03/2007, 3:01 PM
Just found original responses to Fenlon here (http://foot.ie/showthread.php?p=589185#post589185)
headtheball
28/03/2007, 3:33 PM
Funny, I have a recollection of being rubbished on here when I suggested that maybe Fenlon wasn't the wonderful solution that Derry fans thought he might be.
*sits back with understated smugness *
Pat Fenlon has had the exact same start to this season, regarding results as Kenny had in 2006 in his 1st 6 games for us.
We didn't hit the ground running early last season either, so i would'nt get too smug as the season has a long hard road to run. We now have our main man back in Gary Beckett, and we are only 3 points of the leaders.
dancinpants
28/03/2007, 3:43 PM
Just found original responses to Fenlon here (http://foot.ie/showthread.php?p=589185#post589185)
Your Blue Peter badge is in the post :rolleyes:
and we are only 3 points of the leaders.
You're only 6 off the bottom :cool:
headtheball
28/03/2007, 4:29 PM
You're only 6 off the bottom :cool:
No **** Sherlock....:p
Jerry The Saint
29/03/2007, 9:19 AM
Your Blue Peter badge is in the post :rolleyes:
He deserves a Blue Peter badge for linking to a thread that led to me clicking on this link (http://forum.shelbournefc.ie/chat/viewtopic.php?t=7226&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0) again.
Hindsight is a b!tch. :)
CollegeTillIDie
30/03/2007, 7:01 AM
It's a bit soon to be writing Derry off or Fenlon for that matter. I can understand some fans being disappointed at the siginings , but to be fair there were not a lot of options out there. Look at the number and quality of players who left the League altogether. In recent seasons they would have most likely moved within the LOI. The point about Gary Beckett is well made , he told me at the FAI Awards that he would be missing the first few games of the season through his recent injury. He also said he will be retiring at the end of the current 2007 season.
finnpark
30/03/2007, 7:42 PM
They are already gone from the league and setanta cup. Only league cup, fai cup and CL left. What a dreadful start they are having. Cannot see Fenlon lasting the season. His £1500Stg wages will have to be paid off:eek:
Perhaps he will sign Glen Crowe, Alan Reynolds Jim Crawford to pull them out of trouble
lofty9
30/03/2007, 9:41 PM
They are already gone from the league and setanta cup. Only league cup, fai cup and CL left. What a dreadful start they are having. Cannot see Fenlon lasting the season. His £1500Stg wages will have to be paid off:eek:
Perhaps he will sign Glen Crowe, Alan Reynolds Jim Crawford to pull them out of trouble
There is no pressure on Fenlon. It can only get better though. It's a long season, a bit early to start writing us off.
Risteard
31/03/2007, 1:32 AM
They are already gone from the league and setanta cup.
Come on now.
His £1500Stg wages will have to be paid off:eek:
Come on now
This is a Derry City fans view on the Season so far - written a few days ago before tonights defeat - its a short enough article but well written I think - its taken from - http://myirishfootballblog.blogspot.com/2007/03/derry-city-season-so-far.html
2007 marks a new era for Derry City FC. The reign of the flawless Stephen Kenny ended late last season, and he was replaced by the most successful manager in Irish soccer, Pat Fenlon. Fenlon, despite his reputation has had a tough act to follow and the Brandywell faithful expect the ex-Shels manager to take the Candystripes a step further and to lead them to the Eircom League Championship; and with only three games gone a lot of controversy has surrounded the club’s start.
Fenlon got off to a great start with a 1-0 Setanta Cup victory against Glentoran at the Oval, before starting the league campaign with a 1-0 home win to Bray. Derry went on to draw with Drogheda, before recording a quality away win to Sligo Rovers, a place where the Candystripes failed to win at in two attempts last season. Sensationally, Derry’s next two games have caused an array of unrest amongst the fans with two defeats away to Linfield and at home to fellow title contenders St.Patrick’s in the space of four days. Derry’s home draw to Linfield on Monday last night was not enough to rectify the team’s position amongst fans and surprisingly unrest continues amongst supporters, despite an impressive performance.
It is definitely surprising that the Brandywell faithful have shown disapproval at the team’s start. A lot of fans are willing to give Fenlon a chance, though some are already very sceptical. Few fail to realise that Pat is only after inheriting a new squad of players. It does take time to find a team and a system that works for him.Fenlon and Kenny are different men,and it is important that the new manager is allowed to direct his own influence on his new squad. Fenlon has tinkered with the team on a number of occasions, and a man with his track record will get things right in time.
It is worth looking at Derry City’s start to last season under Stephen Kenny. Last season was one of the most successful in the club’s history, yet many forget that Stephen Kenny endured a shaky start in hindsight, and alook at the form guide below is testament to this.
2007: WWDWLLD
2006: DDWWLLW
More or less identical! It hasn’t been an ideal start for Fenlon’s men, but it’s been a decent start, a start that Derry City can and should build on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
My own thoughts on it are that perhaps Stephen Kenny got a lot more from the players over the last two seasons than they would normally be capable of - in short he got them over achieving a little bit - now I dont know what Derry fans will make of this but ive seen them a few times this season already and quite a few of them I thought are just not performing to the same levels.
While I agree some of this is probably to do with getting used to a a new manager, new training methods, new formations, altered roles etc - I do see something lacking - a spirit or a belief or a motivation maybe
Maybe some of the players are suffering a slight hang over from last seasons exploits also?
finnpark
31/03/2007, 10:35 AM
replaced by the most successful manager in Irish soccer, Pat Fenlon.
I disagree totally on this point. He had an open cheque book and signed all the best players from his nearest rivals. Shels would have won as many championships with anyone in charge.
Fenlon got off to a great start with a 1-0 Setanta Cup victory against Glentoran at the Oval, before starting the league campaign with a 1-0 home win to Bray.
Neither of these could be considered "great" imo.
Derry went on to draw with Drogheda, before recording a quality away win to Sligo Rovers,
Thats a joke right? Sligo with no manager and the most dreadful defending Ive ever seen. The goalkeeper made 2 howlers for both of Derry's goals against a Sligo side that are struggling this season after losing half their squad.
surprisingly unrest continues amongst supporters, despite an impressive performance.
Why is it surprising? Pre-season seemed dreadful (lost 4-0 away to Dundalk and struggled in other matches, lost 2 in a row in major competitions, lost at home where they had a 100% record for most of last season.
Maybe some of the players are suffering a slight hang over from last seasons exploits also?
Stop making excuses.
He forgot to mention the signings Fenlon made during close season. Dave Rodgers, Karl Bermingham and Greg O'Halloran in particular. Are these the signings of a side who wishes to progress? He also forgot to mention Fenlon's inability to secure a decent keeper, the most important player on any team. Last but not least he forgot to mention Fenlon's baffling team selection. and formation selections.
Fenlon's track record in cup competitions says it all about his inconsisency due to poor signings, selections and tactics.
SwanVsDalton
01/04/2007, 3:24 AM
Why is it surprising? Pre-season seemed dreadful (lost 4-0 away to Dundalk and struggled in other matches, lost 2 in a row in major competitions, lost at home where they had a 100% record for most of last season.
We did manage a draw with Dinamo Moscow but I suppose that doesn't count no?
He forgot to mention the signings Fenlon made during close season. Dave Rodgers, Karl Bermingham and Greg O'Halloran in particular. Are these the signings of a side who wishes to progress?
Dave Rogers has already proved himself as a title winner and has endeared himself to the City faithful with his passion and drive. Can't judge Bermingham he's been injured and O'Halloran is undoubtadly a useful squad option. He held on to the nucleas of last year's squad (now minus a Martyn) and it can hardly be all Fenlon's fault that Darren Kelly, Barry Molloy, Mark Farren and Kevin Deery have been underperforming?
Last but not least he forgot to mention Fenlon's baffling team selection. and formation selections.
What baffling team selections? As for formation only the 451/433 experment at home to Pats seemed odd and, again, it's only purest speculation to suggest that it's all Fenlon's fault that the players are underperforming.
Fenlon's track record in cup competitions says it all about his inconsisency due to poor signings, selections and tactics.
Dammit your right, those league title's he won certainly don't display any kind of consistency :rolleyes:
You can suggest that Fenlon has changed our style of play/tactics/personnel/whatever and you still don't have a convincing answer as to why good players arn't doing the business, why many of the senior players have yet to bring any kind of form into this season and why many of them have been throughly outfought.
Fenlon many be a factor but I think he's right to suggest we haven't been hungry enough on the pitch and it's up to him to turn it around. If he proves unable to get the players back into form, then fine. Sharpen the knives. But after a handful of games....:rolleyes:
finnpark
02/04/2007, 8:40 PM
LOL. 4 Defeats in a row now. :eek: and 2 home defeats in a row :eek: . Theres no doubt about it hes a gonner. The question is who will take over? :confused:
lofty9
02/04/2007, 9:14 PM
LOL. 4 Defeats in a row now. :eek: and 2 home defeats in a row :eek: . Theres no doubt about it hes a gonner. The question is who will take over? :confused:
Still no pressure on him, but you should keep your campaign to yourself as Higgsy and McCann would be on the list to take over!
Krstic
03/04/2007, 7:57 AM
LOL. 4 Defeats in a row now. :
Wrong.
Quote From Finnpark:
Thats a joke right? Sligo with no manager and the most dreadful defending Ive ever seen. The goalkeeper made 2 howlers for both of Derry's goals against a Sligo side that are struggling this season after losing half their squad.
Three wins out of four and third in the table - that's the kind of struggle i'll live with any day.
finnpark
03/04/2007, 9:37 AM
Quote From Finnpark:
Three wins out of four and third in the table - that's the kind of struggle i'll live with any day.
But look at the opposition.
finnpark
03/04/2007, 9:38 AM
Wrong.
:confused: Ok 4 from 5 defeats, the other match been a 2-2 home draw. That sounds even worse.
Still no pressure on him, but you should keep your campaign to yourself as Higgsy and McCann would be on the list to take over!
That is what I would be worried about!!
If Fenlon is given a chance, he will be a success.
Check out your forum though - plenty of pressure coming from certain quarters.
finnpark
03/04/2007, 9:59 AM
Can anyone explain to me why Dave Rodgers is playing at full back?
He is a centre back (a poor one at that) if anything. He is over 6ft, slow, has poor distribution, cannot take opposing full back on to get crosses in. How the hell is he playing at left full apart from being left footed?:confused: Does anyone rate him even as a centre back? He looked terrible also on the Eircom League highlights last night.
higgins
03/04/2007, 10:08 AM
He played left full for Shels all the time.
finnpark
03/04/2007, 10:16 AM
He played left full for Shels all the time.
Where Fenlon was manager too. I don't think he is good enough for the Eircom League and that he is a centre back. When he signed for Shels first he played at centre back?
The fact remains that if Stephen Kenny had the players Fenlon had at Shels he would have won the league by 20 points.
BohsPartisan
03/04/2007, 10:33 AM
The fact remains that if Stephen Kenny had the players Fenlon had at Shels he would have won the league by 20 points.
Thats rubbish. Kenny had a fantastic squad at Bohs and Fenlon outdid him twice out of three times with similar resources. Kenny has one league title to his name, Fenlon has won three, including one back to back success.
bohs til i die
03/04/2007, 10:44 AM
Thats rubbish. Kenny had a fantastic squad at Bohs and Fenlon outdid him twice out of three times with similar resources. Kenny has one league title to his name, Fenlon has won three, including one back to back success.
The one time Kenny won the title, was Fenlon's first season in charge at Shels. Kenny had half a season to prepare the title bid, Fenlon got the Shels job after that half season ended.
In Kenny's final season at Bohs, we were 10 points adrift after 20 games played [each]
This was a Bohs team with Ryan, Morrison, Crowe, Grant, Hawkins, Ward, Hunt, Lynch, Webb, Heary, Harkin, Keddy etc. On paper it was a squad just as good as the Shels squad.
Krstic
03/04/2007, 10:55 AM
I don't know how much of Derry you've seen this year FinnPark, but Rogers has been one of our better players.
finnpark
03/04/2007, 11:17 AM
I don't know how much of Derry you've seen this year FinnPark, but Rogers has been one of our better players.
Perhaps to the untrained eye
Can't see Fenlon being sacked. They were in a tough Setanta Cup group & can take time for new managers to settle in. Just like with all top clubs the league is the priority & Derry have lost to two potential title challengers so not as if they lost to poor teams.
finnpark
03/04/2007, 10:17 PM
It has been reported on a forum elsewhere that Fenlon offered his resignation last night. Not sure how true that is but no smoke without fire as they say.
Dazzy
03/04/2007, 11:23 PM
Not sure how true that is but no smoke without fire as they say.
It is Derry but
EireBadBoy
04/04/2007, 8:33 AM
Perhaps to the untrained eye
Rogers has been one of the better performing Derry players recently actually.
But we'll just take your word for it then as you've seen the EL highlights show - my differing opinion pales by the odd full game in 7 that I am judging him on.
Have you just finished a Bachelors in Derry City Football Club or something with the constant self-appreciating posts regarding the performance of the team and the manager?
How's the Finn Harps manager doing?
lofty9
04/04/2007, 8:49 AM
How's the Finn Harps manager doing?
Trying to curb his temper in the stands for the last two matches
finnpark
04/04/2007, 9:02 AM
However hes doign he doesnt have the same budget nor the same wage. Your supposed to get what you paid for. If Fenlon is this bad on what you paid imagine how bad he would get if you doubled his salary :D
I bet you would just love to have our manager right now. I mean a statue would be just as good - 1 point out of a possible 15 :p . Heck, you would be a better manager yourselfs all of you
dcfcsteve
04/04/2007, 9:41 AM
It has been reported on a forum elsewhere that Fenlon offered his resignation last night. Not sure how true that is but no smoke without fire as they say.
Derry is the capital of fireless smoke.....
dcfcsteve
04/04/2007, 9:45 AM
- 1 point out of a possible 15 :p
Or how about 6 out of a possible 12 in the league - which is 50% better than a certain other club with only 4 points out of a possible 12 to their name in a p!sh-easy league.....
Does everyone in Donegal live in glasshouses next to a pile of rocks, or just the good people of Ballybofey...? :confused:
lofty9
04/04/2007, 9:53 AM
Does everyone in Donegal live in glasshouses next to a pile of rocks, or just the good people of Ballybofey...? :confused:
Not in my area :D
Or how about 6 out of a possible 12 in the league - which is 50% better than a certain other club with only 4 points out of a possible 12 to their name in a p!sh-easy league.....
Does everyone in Donegal live in glasshouses next to a pile of rocks, or just the good people of Ballybofey...? :confused:
Ha ha Steve, very good!
A Derry man giving someone from Ballybofey grief about throwing rocks ;)
Heard it all now machatcho :D
finnpark
10/04/2007, 8:33 PM
Or how about 6 out of a possible 12 in the league - which is 50% better than a certain other club with only 4 points out of a possible 12 to their name in a p!sh-easy league.....
Does everyone in Donegal live in glasshouses next to a pile of rocks, or just the good people of Ballybofey...? :confused:
That % is going down every match. Its 0% wins in the last 5 games. What he still is doing as manager is behond me.
Its funny how people don't read between the lines when judging someone's capability. Ollie Byrne chaired his club to a number of premier division titles. Does that make him the best Chairman in the league. The fact remains that he signed the best players in every position on the pitch at Shels and still managed to do a botch job in it. He finished 4th one season but people's memories on this forum as are short as the distance between Longford and Derry in Premier table. What has he really achieved? How many FAI cups? How many League Cups? He won last season's title on refereeing decisions.
dcfcsteve
11/04/2007, 10:23 AM
Heard it all now machatcho :D
What's a "machatcho", and can I use one to light my fire....?
I might ring round a few of my learned muchachos to see if they know what it is.....
:D ;)
razor
11/04/2007, 10:56 AM
What's a "machatcho", and can I use one to light my fire....?think so, but be careful cos these are primarily used in the burning of smart arses.;)
dcfcsteve
11/04/2007, 10:59 AM
think so, but be careful cos these are primarily used in the burning of smart arses.;)
Though they do lose their combustability when spelht incurrectli.... :p
Risteard
11/04/2007, 1:24 PM
A lot of anger towards Fenlon from the DCFC fans i spoke to.
Not one of them agreed with the "give him a bit more time" line.
OneRedArmy
11/04/2007, 1:29 PM
A lot of anger towards Fenlon from the DCFC fans i spoke to.
Not one of them agreed with the "give him a bit more time" line.How many were in your sample?
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