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Da Real Rover
19/03/2007, 8:03 PM
Livorno
The Oirish national side don't even feature slightly in my mind. I've actually gotten into my againstism in the last couple of years. The same goes for the rugger bandwagon
My hero, a livorno appreciater and contempt for the badwagonism of irish eggball.
Support Ireland???
But in soccer..... don't make me laugh. Why would anybody be remotely interested in supporting the woefully incompetent Delaney/Staunton regime???
Does it matter who is in charge, unless your not irish then obviously supprot your own national team?
Club ftr
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Joey Killester
19/03/2007, 8:36 PM
It would be interesting to see the result of this poll if it were amongst Irish people who supported English clubs, I bet there would be completly different results! Interesting that only one of those who have posted so far have voted for their country.
jebus
19/03/2007, 10:13 PM
My hero, a livorno appreciater and contempt for the badwagonism of irish eggball.
Friggin Livorno supporters, always patting each other on the back ;)
Lim till i die
20/03/2007, 7:51 AM
Friggin Livorno supporters, always patting each other on the back ;)
How are Hellas doing these days??
Being super facists can't be much fun when there's no one watching :p
Calcio Jack
20/03/2007, 8:22 AM
Both as they offer completely different experiences ..... personally looking forward to wearing my Rovers shirt in Croke Park next Saturday...hopefully on the back of a victory in the courts today.
My stance in no way is a vindication for Delaney or Staunton or the muppets that follow Ireland and British clubs...
Schumi
20/03/2007, 9:17 AM
I don't see a clash, I support both. In terms of interest, it's definitely club first. How can 4 or 5 games a year compare with 30 or 40?
How are Hellas doing these days??
Being super facists can't be much fun when there's no one watching :p
Still get bigger crowds than Chievo afaik..
How are Hellas doing these days??
Being super facists can't be much fun when there's no one watching :p
We're valiantly fighting on in Serie B, given referees bias against the club thats all they can do for the time being.
Have Livorno incited any hatred by giving 'hand gestures' at crowds lately? Or have they actually managed to win a league title yet? :D
No decision to make. Club.
Lim till i die
20/03/2007, 9:29 AM
Have Livorno incited any hatred by giving 'hand gestures' at crowds lately?
Now, now Cristianos fist has as much right to be heard as the next mans :p
Or have they actually managed to win a league title yet?
Afraid not. That early 80's momentary blip in your teams mediocrity must have been a great day for baby jebus :p
Still get bigger crowds than Chievo afaik..
I should hope so.
Despite my obvious leftie tendancies I've always had a soft spot for Hellas and their mad cap fans. Damn those posh donkeys from across the river :)
Risteard
20/03/2007, 10:32 AM
No decision to make. Club.
:D :D :D
I'm hopeing that joke was intended.
jebus
20/03/2007, 11:54 AM
Now, now Cristianos fist has as much right to be heard as the next mans :p
Tell that to Paolo Di Canio
;)
Lim till i die
20/03/2007, 12:06 PM
Tell that to Paolo Di Canio
Now, now you know my feelings on the facists who wouldn't allow Paolo to be facist ;) :p
Clenched fist, straight arm, who's counting?? :)
Fester
20/03/2007, 1:07 PM
Saints...Lost fate in Country
Da Real Rover
20/03/2007, 1:12 PM
Despite my obvious leftie tendancies I've always had a soft spot for Hellas and their mad cap fans. Damn those posh donkeys from across the river :)
Tut tut, so much potential gone astray.
Lim till i die
20/03/2007, 1:27 PM
Tut tut, so much potential gone astray.
I defy any LoI fan to read Tim Parks' book and not feel a certain affinity with those Hellas fans
Have you ever been to Livorno?? Been wanting to go for ages but am constantly without the means :o
Without a doubt clu.
But not because of Delaney or Staunton or the current situation. If city has a crap manager and incompetent chairman it wouldnt stop me supporting them.
The team just doesnt mean that much to me. I dont relate to them but still like to see them winning
Sorry but this is worse Poll of foot.ie history. People who support their club week in week out with always favour it above a National team that plays 5-6 competitive games a year. It will be the same for any other spectator sport.
Sorry but this is worse Poll of foot.ie history. People who support their club week in week out with always favour it above a National team that plays 5-6 competitive games a year. It will be the same for any other spectator sport.
Fair point, should have tried putting it in the Ireland forum for a laugh.
Da Real Rover
21/03/2007, 2:09 PM
I defy any LoI fan to read Tim Parks' book and not feel a certain affinity with those Hellas fans
Have you ever been to Livorno?? Been wanting to go for ages but am constantly without the means :o
I wudnt dare assosciate myself with those fascist swine, i dont know how you lowered yourself to reading that.
Oh its on the list, along with the apostolos nikolaidis, the bombanera, millerntor and of course celtic park. I will start saveing and for my holidays thats where im going.
I wudnt dare assosciate myself with those fascist swine, i dont know how you lowered yourself to reading that.
Oh its on the list, along with the apostolos nikolaidis, the bombanera, millerntor and of course celtic park. I will start saveing and for my holidays thats where im going.
Aren't you a fan of the Extreme Left club Livorno? The one where their star striker gives an equally disrespectful gesture as the roman salute to the crowd after scoring on occasion? I suppose Livorno do have to keep themselves on the front page someway, and Lord only knows their football has never gotten them their :p
Lim till i die
21/03/2007, 2:52 PM
I wudnt dare assosciate myself with those fascist swine, i dont know how you lowered yourself to reading that.
Oh Purrrrrlease :rolleyes:
Oh its on the list, along with the apostolos nikolaidis, the bombanera, millerntor and of course celtic park. I will start saveing and for my holidays thats where im going.
Think you'll find Olympiacos are the club of the urban working class in Athens not the shamrock clad boys
As for Celtic Park :rolleyes:
If your going to be so political about about your club choices then probably best not to follow your plastic paddy leanings :rolleyes:
Finn Harps every time. I got a mate who used to go to Harps but hasn't now in about 3 or 4 years. He always asks me which would I rather:
1. Ireland win the World cup
or
2. Harps win the Premier.
I tell him Harps everytime for me. He can't understand it, but then agin he is a Liverpool fan:rolleyes:
LeviathanNI
22/03/2007, 10:09 AM
Linfield first and foremost (when they let us in),
Northern Ireland second.. it is a bit of a no brainer really. Linfield (and I'm sure you guys are the same) are day and daily a part of my life, I watch them twice a week, and talk about them all the time. The National team is the time that we watch the players that best represent our country on an international stage, against the best another country has to offer... a time club rivalries are dropped for a match, and we all support the same team (though it can be heartbreaking sometimes).
Besides, without club football, the National teams wouldn't exist (something both associations need to be reminded of occassionally).
charliesboots
22/03/2007, 10:14 AM
club absolutely and anybody who picks country first is either an idiot or not a true supporter of their club!!
Pats winning an FAI Cup would mean more to me as a fan than the national team winning Euro Champs and World Cup back to back. Problem is none of the above are likely to happen in my lifetime!!
Da Real Rover
22/03/2007, 12:35 PM
Think you'll find Olympiacos are the club of the urban working class in Athens not the shamrock clad boys
As for Celtic Park :rolleyes:
If your going to be so political about about your club choices then probably best not to follow your plastic paddy leanings :rolleyes:
Very true, but i still have an affinity with PAO, they arnt left wing, i believe AEK are but PAO still arnt fascist, just more bourgouse.
As for celtic, founded by a sligo man, have alot of connections with rovers, wille mc stay, regular friendlys etc.
But rovers come bfore all else, i have my priorities in check.
oriel
22/03/2007, 12:36 PM
Def club first, in fact I had a choice of one of two games next week, Ireland v Slovakia on the Wed night (i`m already going to Wales game), or Dundalk v Athlone Town on the thurs night, I didnt take long chosing the latter !
Its been said many times before but the 20,000 or so attending eL games each week should be given first options to buy international tickets.
neutrino
22/03/2007, 12:40 PM
Just wondering what the general EL fan puts first. Example: If Ireland and your EL team were playing at the same time on the same day...who would you choose?
For me, it'll always be club before country, no question about it.
with the current international set-up it's easy to say we'd all go to our respective EL games.
However if Ireland (in theory. not practical as is) had one game left and was basically a qualification decider then I know i'd go to/watch the ireland game.
gustavo
22/03/2007, 2:17 PM
with the current international set-up it's easy to say we'd all go to our respective EL games.
However if Ireland (in theory. not practical as is) had one game left and was basically a qualification decider then I know i'd go to/watch the ireland game.
So you dont mind supporting your country in the good times but when they get crap its back to the club?
club absolutely and anybody who picks country first is either an idiot or not a true supporter of their club!!
Would be country for me - Although I don't know why that makes me an idiot or not a true supporter:confused:
charliesboots
22/03/2007, 2:34 PM
Would be country for me - Although I don't know why that makes me an idiot or not a true supporter:confused:
Because if you were a true supporter you would pick your club over your country if the two were playing on the same night. If, in this unlikely scenario you picked your country over your club and still felt you were a true supporter of your club then you would be an idiot. Simple really.
The thing is that the two should never play on the same night and believe it or not you can be a true supporter of more than 1 team (Not ones that compete in the same competitions obviously!)
By your reckoning no EL supporters should get tickets for International games - They should be kept for the true supporters of the Irish team - I presume you do not attend International games. You wouldn't want to sit beside us idiots!
charliesboots
22/03/2007, 2:48 PM
The thing is that the two should never play on the same night and believe it or not you can be a true supporter of more than 1 team (Not ones that compete in the same competitions obviously!)
By your reckoning no EL supporters should get tickets for International games - They should be kept for the true supporters of the Irish team - I presume you do not attend International games. You wouldn't want to sit beside us idiots!
Never said you were an idiot, read my post again. No problem with eircom League fans supporting Ireland, actually think they should be given priority for tickets. Question was who would you choose if, in the unlikely scenario, both played on the same night.
Agree with you that it should never happen that both play on the same night. However if you support any two teams and they play the same night, I think its fair to presume that you support the one you choose to go to more than the other one.
osarusan
22/03/2007, 3:01 PM
club absolutely and anybody who picks country first is either an idiot or not a true supporter of their club!!
Because if you were a true supporter you would pick your club over your country if the two were playing on the same night. If, in this unlikely scenario you picked your country over your club and still felt you were a true supporter of your club then you would be an idiot. Simple really.
The only thing idiotic here is you calling anybody an idiot who would rather watch their country than club on some occasions.
If Ireland were playing in a World Cup final, and Limerick playing on the same night in a meaningless end of season game, I would stay home and watch the World Cup final.
I have no problems saying that, and it makes me no less a supporter than anybody else.
a true supporter of their club!!
What by your definition makes a "true supporter"?
charliesboots
22/03/2007, 3:07 PM
I have no problems saying that, and it makes me no less a supporter than anybody else.
Does it make you any less of a supporter than the lads who would go to the Limerick game?
I would never personally go to watch the international team ahead of a Pats match and almost 90% of people here agree with me. I'm actually surprised its not higher.
What by your definition makes a "true supporter"?
I mean true as in them over any other football team. There's always going to be circumstances were people can't make games for whatever reason, I just can't grasp the idea of going to watch another team play when you could as easily or more easily watch the club you support week in week out.
If Galway Utd are playing a big cup game (or league game) and Ireland are playing a friendly I will go to the Utd game
If Ieland are playing a qualifier and Utd a friendly I will go to the Irish game
I can't see a scenario ever arising where crucial EL games clash with crucial Irish games. Not even the FAI would do such a thing......
osarusan
22/03/2007, 3:08 PM
Does it make you any less of a supporter than the lads who would go to the Limerick game?
No. Maybe it makes him (and you) less of an Ireland fan.
Claret Murph
22/03/2007, 3:11 PM
Sorry lads for me it is easy Ireland are #1 everything else is just second best .
charliesboots
22/03/2007, 3:14 PM
No.
Can't see your logic with that.
Maybe it makes him (and you) less of an Ireland fan.
Maybe so, I presume you mean Ireland as in the international team rather than Irish football!!
charliesboots
22/03/2007, 3:16 PM
If Galway Utd are playing a big cup game (or league game) and Ireland are playing a friendly I will go to the Utd game
If Ieland are playing a qualifier and Utd a friendly I will go to the Irish game
Friendlies are rubbish, although I'd still probably go to one over an Ireland game.
I can't see a scenario ever arising where crucial EL games clash with crucial Irish games. Not even the FAI would do such a thing......
Let's not get carried away :D
osarusan
22/03/2007, 3:18 PM
Charliesboots.........lets say, for sake of arguement, that I've been to 500 LOI games and you've been to only 400...........does that make me a bigger fan of LOI football than you?
If we have been to 400 each, but this weekend I can't go as my brother is getting married, does that make you a bigger fan than me?
Would you consider me justified if I considered you less of a fan if you missed a game to be present at your child's birth?
charliesboots
22/03/2007, 3:23 PM
Charliesboots.........lets say, for sake of arguement, that I've been to 500 LOI games and you've been to only 400...........does that make me a bigger fan of LOI football than you?
If we have been to 400 each, but this weekend I can't go as my brother is getting married, does that make you a bigger fan than me?
Would you consider me justified if I considered you less of a fan if you missed a game to be present at your child's birth?
Nope, I've already said below
There's always going to be circumstances were people can't make games for whatever reason, I just can't grasp the idea of going to watch another team play when you could as easily or more easily watch the club you support week in week out.
Just don't think missing your clubs match to watch another team play is justifiable. (unless your scouting for your club of course;) )
BohsPartisan
22/03/2007, 3:23 PM
Would you consider me justified if I considered you less of a fan if you missed a game to be present at your child's birth?
Typical fairweather fan! ;)
Billy Lord
22/03/2007, 3:26 PM
As one Hoop said years ago: I'd rather see Rovers win a corner than Ireland win the World Cup. There's no comparison between the two and I'm amazed that any club supporter (even people who support British clubs such as Man U etc) would put Ireland first under any circumstances.
International football's a bit of a laugh and all that, but it's really just a marketing tool for multinationals and something for grannies, little kids and the kind of people who wear leprechaun suits and wave at TV cameras.
Jerry The Saint
22/03/2007, 3:29 PM
Sorry but this is worse Poll of foot.ie history. People who support their club week in week out with always favour it above a National team that plays 5-6 competitive games a year. It will be the same for any other spectator sport.
Fair point, should have tried putting it in the Ireland forum for a laugh.
Can a moderator go ahead and do this for comparison's sake? Maybe best left for people who haven't voted already here.
Would be enlightening for people to nominate who their club is as well...
osarusan
22/03/2007, 3:38 PM
Just don't think missing your clubs match to watch another team play is justifiable. (unless your scouting for your club of course;) )
Under any circumstances? By the following statements, I am assuming your answer is yes.
club absolutely and anybody who picks country first is either an idiot or not a true supporter of their club!!
Because if you were a true supporter you would pick your club over your country if the two were playing on the same night. If, in this unlikely scenario you picked your country over your club and still felt you were a true supporter of your club then you would be an idiot. Simple really.
And your definition...........
I mean true as in them over any other football team.
A fair point.....but I don't see the Irish football team and Limerick in the same way.
Ireland are a national team, when they play, it is an occasion for all the country to support them. It appeals to national pride, and in that regard, winning an international trophy would electrify the nation in a way no other could.
Supporting Limerick is a far more personal feeling, without any sense of national or often even local pride. There is no doubt that Limerick winning the league would mean more to me than Ireland winning a tournament, but when it came to a meaningless end-of-season game against the biggest night in the history of Irish sport, I would choose to support Ireland.
I don't see them as being in competition with each other.......and I disagree with the word "idiot" to describe people such as myself.
I do think it reflects more on how highly I support the national team than anything else.
Typical fairweather fan! ;)
Shame on me:D
osarusan
22/03/2007, 3:41 PM
As one Hoop said years ago: I'd rather see Rovers win a corner than Ireland win the World Cup. There's no comparison between the two and I'm amazed that any club supporter (even people who support British clubs such as Man U etc) would put Ireland first under any circumstances.
International football's a bit of a laugh and all that, but it's really just a marketing tool for multinationals and something for grannies, little kids and the kind of people who wear leprechaun suits and wave at TV cameras.
But as you don't really support the national team, then you don't understand the feelings of those who do.
Roadend
22/03/2007, 3:55 PM
What a great thread, we all get to learn the criteria for being a "true" fan. Is there any online printable version I can get so I can tick all the boxes and set my own head straight. I'd hate to think I was neglecting something important in my "true" fan ambitions.
charliesboots
22/03/2007, 4:00 PM
I don't see them as being in competition with each other.......and I disagree with the word "idiot" to describe people such as myself.
delusional maybe?
BohDiddley
22/03/2007, 4:03 PM
As one Hoop said years ago: I'd rather see Rovers win a corner than Ireland win the World Cup. There's no comparison between the two and I'm amazed that any club supporter (even people who support British clubs such as Man U etc) would put Ireland first under any circumstances.
International football's a bit of a laugh and all that, but it's really just a marketing tool for multinationals and something for grannies, little kids and the kind of people who wear leprechaun suits and wave at TV cameras.
BL, I waved at a TV camera the other week in Dalymount. :o
I'd bet my house that you would too if they pointed one at you.
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