Caleb Folan

[Pablo]

* He qualifies for Ireland

* He wants to play for us

* He's a Premiership striker

* He's got qualities our other strikers don't

* It doesn't matter if he didn't call himself Irish before, as long as he puts in 100% on the pitch thats all that matters.

Thats enough for me, lets at least take a look at the lad. If he's not good enough so be it.


Good god. Is that you Stan?

[citizenerased]

give him a chance.. he offers us a diiferent dimesion up front

[Pablo]

give him a chance.. he offers us a diiferent dimesion up front

As far i i can see he's the same as all the Other English wasters in the squad.

I'm sure you'll dress up in you leprachaun suits and shake your inflatable shamrocks in support of him though

[Paddy Garcia]

As far i i can see he's the same as all the Other English wasters in the squad.

I'm sure you'll dress up in you leprachaun suits and shake your inflatable shamrocks in support of him though

The squad is full of wasters, why differentiate?

[Pablo]

The squad is full of wasters, why differentiate?

I'd prefer to support my own wasters ;)

[geysir]

Caleb is a new Irish citizen. Probably part of that masonic FAI inspired conspiracy which in total has increased the angst of the persecuted, the prejudiced and the vertically challenged living in our country.

[tricky_colour]

I'd prefer to support my own wasters ;)

Maybe you should switch your support to gaelic football or hurling then?
I can't understand are you follow an English sport in the first place anyway :confused:

[Soper]

It's an international sport now.

[tricky_colour]

It's an international sport now.

Thus not exclusivly 100% Irish. I can't imagine why someone with such extreme views would be interested in it. I bet he eats French fires too :rolleyes:
( I won't mention posting in English, lest I make him appear foolish :p ).

[Pablo]

Maybe you should switch your support to gaelic football or hurling then?
I can't understand are you follow an English sport in the first place anyway :confused:

Do gaelic Footballers or Hurlers represent my country on an international stage? no


Call me old fashioned but i'd prefer to have an Irish team representing Ireland same as a person from any other country in the World.

Instead we have the plastic paddys dressed up as leprachauns and woolfhounds shaking their inflatable shamrocks shouting on other plastic paddys on the pitch because it makes them feel more Irish.

[NeilMcD]

So are you saying only people born in Ireland are Irish.

[Pablo]

So are you saying only people born in Ireland are Irish.

People born in Ireland, or people who grew up with an Irish heritage/irish parents. That doesnt apply to half of The current "Ireland" team

[eirebhoy]

Of the current squad only Carsley, Kilbane, McGeady and Folan weren't born in Ireland. Hardly half of the team and I think we know that know Kilbane regards himself as 100% Irish. I think if you looked at most international squads you'll find a similar amount of players not born in the country they're representing.

[geysir]

People born in Ireland, or people who grew up with an Irish heritage/irish parents. That doesnt apply to half of The current "Ireland" team Ignorance usually accompanies prejudice.

[Pablo]

Ignorance usually accompanies prejudice.

So now i'm ignorent because i want Irish players playing for Ireland?

[citizenerased]

In fairness McGeady may not have been born in ireland but he has pledged his future from an early age...also McGrath wasnt born in ireland, but i doubt ya would be shiitin on about that!!

[NeilMcD]

People born in Ireland, or people who grew up with an Irish heritage/irish parents. That doesnt apply to half of The current "Ireland" team

You said half the team. Carsley has said he played GAA in Cork with his cousins so he grew up with an Irish Heritage. It could also be argued so did Aidan Mc Geady. So it only leaves Folan. 2 of his grandparents were born in the West of Ireland. We don't know what impact that had on his growing up. So your statement about half the team is rubbins. Using your criteria, only one player on the team falls outside of it.

[Condex]

Ignorance usually accompanies prejudice.

Everyone is prejudiced in someway, even people like yourself who spend
most of their time telling people how prejudiced they are…

[lopez]

Well I've been accused of 'having an agenda', 'every post being on 2G' and told 'to talk about football' but I have some sympathy for Pablo here. He want's a team that has some pre-footballing connection with Ireland. He's quite clear that that doesn't necessarily mean being born in Ireland. Personally it's something I'd like. I dislike people who haven't a clue where their Irish grandmother was born, yet next minute think they're Irish.

Take Michael Robinson. He was in Match Weekly in one of those question/answer jobs about who would he most like to meet? Most put down the Queen, the Pope or Farrah Fawcett Majors at a swingers' party. He puts down 'Ron Greenwood (the then England Manager) on business.' The ink isn't dry and he's in the squad to play France. I met him in Reykjavik six years later and got talking. He starts coming out with all this 'I'm so proud to be Irish' cojones, and how his son's got a tricolour above his bed. He was close to going into Rose Dugdale mode. He then gets dropped by Jack and about a year later he's in a Spanish footy mag (he'd moved to Osasuna) claiming that although he played for Ireland he was English. I think he obtained Spanish citizenship, which incidently entails renouncing all other citizenships he'd ever had.

The point is, as eirebhoy says, other countries are equally (or more) guilty of this as/than Ireland. To play for Ireland is to qualify for Irish nationality - no laws have been changed to accomodate more footballers; in fact laws have been changed to make it more difficult.

As for half the 'current' Irish team being 'English', total tosh. I doubt it ever was - to use Pablo's qualification of Irishness - although there were certainly players who used the green shirt merely as a career move, not as a point of national pride.

[geysir]

So now i'm ignorent because i want Irish players playing for Ireland?
The ignorance was in your statement ",,,,half the Irish team...", it displays a lack of knowledge about the Irish team. Prejudice is because you have a negative opinion based on false information and false assumptions.

[RogerMilla]

you're ignorant because you can't spell ignorant.
you're predjudiced because you dont get to say who qualifies for Ireland and you are content to be prejudiced against fellas who wear the green jersey.

[Pablo]

you're ignorant because you can't spell ignorant.
you're predjudiced because you dont get to say who qualifies for Ireland and you are content to be prejudiced against fellas who wear the green jersey.

Ah its all clear to me now. Someone is ignorant because of a spelling mistake.

Glad you cleared that up and actually debated the point.

[Pablo]

Well I've been accused of 'having an agenda', 'every post being on 2G' and told 'to talk about football' but I have some sympathy for Pablo here. He want's a team that has some pre-footballing connection with Ireland. He's quite clear that that doesn't necessarily mean being born in Ireland. Personally it's something I'd like. I dislike people who haven't a clue where their Irish grandmother was born, yet next minute think they're Irish.

Take Michael Robinson. He was in Match Weekly in one of those question/answer jobs about who would he most like to meet? Most put down the Queen, the Pope or Farrah Fawcett Majors at a swingers' party. He puts down 'Ron Greenwood (the then England Manager) on business.' The ink isn't dry and he's in the squad to play France. I met him in Reykjavik six years later and got talking. He starts coming out with all this 'I'm so proud to be Irish' cojones, and how his son's got a tricolour above his bed. He was close to going into Rose Dugdale mode. He then gets dropped by Jack and about a year later he's in a Spanish footy mag (he'd moved to Osasuna) claiming that although he played for Ireland he was English. I think he obtained Spanish citizenship, which incidently entails renouncing all other citizenships he'd ever had.

The point is, as eirebhoy says, other countries are equally (or more) guilty of this as/than Ireland. To play for Ireland is to qualify for Irish nationality - no laws have been changed to accomodate more footballers; in fact laws have been changed to make it more difficult.

As for half the 'current' Irish team being 'English', total tosh. I doubt it ever was - to use Pablo's qualification of Irishness - although there were certainly players who used the green shirt merely as a career move, not as a point of national pride.

At last a decent reply.

Are people not alarmed that a growing number of people are completely dissillusioned with the National team and have no identity with it?

[NeilMcD]

At last a decent reply.

Are people not alarmed that a growing number of people are completely dissillusioned with the National team and have no identity with it?


That is because they are playing rubbish. This team has more Irish born players and players with Irish Heritage as you put it then the 1988 or the 1990 teams but more people got into them because they were more successfual and people seemed to think they were fighting for the jersey and this team was not. So there is no link between peoples disillusionment with the team and the fact we are the team is been taken over by a load of plastic paddies as you put it. The facts show more Irish born players in the squad now then there have been in a long time yet people are getting sick of the team and saying they are not putting in the effort and have no passion for the jersey.

[Paddy Garcia]

That is because they are playing rubbish. This team has more Irish born players and players with Irish Heritage as you put it then the 1988 or the 1990 teams but more people got into them because they were more successfual and people seemed to think they were fighting for the jersey and this team was not. So there is no link between peoples disillusionment with the team and the fact we are the team is been taken over by a load of plastic paddies as you put it. The facts show more Irish born players in the squad now then there have been in a long time yet people are getting sick of the team and saying they are not putting in the effort and have no passion for the jersey.

Ah, that is the decent reply.

[Kingdom]

That is because they are playing rubbish. This team has more Irish born players and players with Irish Heritage as you put it then the 1988 or the 1990 teams but more people got into them because they were more successfual and people seemed to think they were fighting for the jersey and this team was not. So there is no link between peoples disillusionment with the team and the fact we are the team is been taken over by a load of plastic paddies as you put it. The facts show more Irish born players in the squad now then there have been in a long time yet people are getting sick of the team and saying they are not putting in the effort and have no passion for the jersey.


Spot on Neil.
Just my spin on things.
I've no connection with football in my family and as a result have no connection with a domestic soccer team and as a result of this the National team is the be all and end all for me. Disillusioned is probably to big a word to use to describe how I feel towards the team now, but whatever I feel about those who play for us, its based on the passion they show while representing Ireland not whether they were all things green before they starting representing us.

[eirebhoy]

It's not suprising to see Pablo's first contribution on this forum:
http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=421

:)

Interesting post:
"we all loved how Chaltons teams were sucessfull and the Morale of the nation was lifted. but The team of today is far more representative of the Irish people."

;)

It's actually very interesting to search Pablo's posts in this forum. Before the world cup he was posting a lot and opening up many threads discussing Irish players abroad. Now when we are fielding teams that'd be close to 100% Irish by Pablo's definition he doesn't support us. Did the Eircom league bug bite or are you just one of those NeilMcD is describing?

[geysir]

Pete hasn't changed at all :)

[tricky_colour]

People born in Ireland, or people who grew up with an Irish heritage/irish parents. That doesnt apply to half of The current "Ireland" team

It seems to me your only interest in 'supporting' Ireland is in promoting an extreme racial view point, of the type held by people like Hitler. I would say your support is more in pushing that view point rather then in supporting the team which you clearly don't in my opinion. I doubt most of the Irish team would want support from people with your view point so why not try supporting some one else, like combat18 for example? (assuming you are not already a member).

[geysir]

Goodwins Law again :) the last time I saw that in the Ireland forum was coincidentally when Pablo was on a belter

http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=22930&page=10&highlight=song

[lopez]

It seems to me your only interest in 'supporting' Ireland is in promoting an extreme racial view point, of the type held by people like Hitler...Nah. If Hitler were Irish, he'd never consider being born outside the 26C would precluded you from being Irish. :cool:

[tricky_colour]

Nah. If Hitler were Irish, he'd never consider being born outside the 26C would precluded you from being Irish. :cool:

Yes I should have said

"It seems to me your only interest in 'supporting' Ireland is in promoting an extreme racial view point, even more extreme than those held by Hitler"

Thanks for pointing out how extreme such view points are - well done :cool:
You are obviously smarter than I though.

[tricky_colour]

That's perhaps beause a lot of extreme racists use the internet to try and spread their propaganda. Similar views would not be tolerated in any other medium.

[Diarmo]

Folan won promotion with Hull this year and scored 9 goals this season. It'll be interesting to see how he'll cope in the Premiership, he could give us a "target-man" option up front. If he does well, he might be worth including in the next squad.

[theworm2345]

Yet hes behind Shane Long and Andy Keogh in the pecking order apparently :rolleyes:

[irishultra]

Andy Keogh is a much better player than Celeb Folan, but I agree about Long.

[Diarmo]

I think Folan might be able to become a squad regular in the future. He's tall, got a decent striking record in the Championship last year, and gives us something else up front.
Hopefully he'll keep scoring throughout the year.

[joema]

Iirsh? The writing off of Long on this forum is ridiculous btw, he's only 21 ffs and he's already scored 3 times for us in his 8 caps.

[seanfhear]

Iirsh? The writing off of Long on this forum is ridiculous btw, he's only 21 ffs and he's already scored 3 times for us in his 8 caps.
As i said on another topic a little bit of optimism would be very positive.I would not like the negative posters on here to be my coach.It would be like carrying bulldozers playing for them.Can you imagine the team talk from them!

[joema]

As i said on another topic a little bit of optimism would be very positive.I would not like the negative posters on here to be my coach.It would be like carrying bulldozers playing for them.Can you imagine the team talk from them!

That's kind of what the word means all right! :):p

[paulie_walnuts]

Give Long a season or 2 in the Championship, I think it will help him.

[Razors left peg]

Give Long a season or 2 in the Championship, I think it will help him.

Best thing that could happen for him is for Doyle to move on

[carloz]

Did i not read something about him puling out of the Irish squad twice in the past year or so with injuries, despite being perfectly ok to play for Hull at the weekend. If this is true this is probably the reason he is behind Long

[seanfhear]

That's kind of what the word means all right! :):p
now that you understand it why not try having some

[seanfhear]

Long's too good to be on the bench of a championship side. For his sake and Noel's too Doyle moving on would be a great move. But he's only got 13 days left to do so!
from an irish point of view that would be the best developement.Hopefully the villa rumours are true.

[sligofan4ever]

read da post wrong ,sorry ,but defo better dan long

looks like the teenage "beboers" have found out about foot.ie :D

[Diarmo]

Did i not read something about him puling out of the Irish squad twice in the past year or so with injuries, despite being perfectly ok to play for Hull at the weekend. If this is true this is probably the reason he is behind Long

He was called up twice: both while playing for Wigan. And as far as I know, he was injured for a few weeks the first time. The second time was the USA tour, so I've no idea how injured he was or not.

I also think there's another Caleb Folan thread. May I suggest a merger?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/6456103.stm

[tricky_colour]

Was not much more than a tap in but I guess you have to be in the right
place at the right time, there was a defender on the goal line too.
Given he was only on the pitch for 16 minutes + injury time he muct have
the highest strike rate in terms of goals per minute. so he should average 6 a
game if he keeps tha rate up :D

[irishfan86]

Glad to see him score, but to be saying he is better than Long based on one goal (a tap in at that), is a bit extreme.

Let's see how he does over the course of the season.

[shakermaker1982]

Long has always done well whenever he has appeared in a green shirt hence his inclusion.