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drinkfeckarse
07/03/2007, 3:59 PM
lol
referencing McLAREN!
The really really last refuge of teh desperate!
Referencing McLaren that he was going to call him up that's all. Just my opinion on the player wws. And please explain to me why exactly I would be desperate???
:rolleyes:
ease up horsey!
im not casting aspertions here
Schumi
07/03/2007, 4:08 PM
Referencing McLaren that he was going to call him up that's all.McLaren's called up Alonso.
Roadend
07/03/2007, 4:16 PM
the ACTIM stats have Tevez as minus something - whatever you think about his performances for west ham he's not teh worst in the prem by any means
they are a useful guide but a guide and no more
Eh, Tevez played one half decent game all season and that was Sunday, so far he has been one of the worst if you are going on his performances.
Roadend
07/03/2007, 4:17 PM
Terry is up there with Adams and McGrath IMO.
Oh yes, his performances for England prove that. :rolleyes:
NY Hoop
07/03/2007, 4:21 PM
Oh yes, his performances for England prove that. :rolleyes:
I meant playing in the premier****.
Anybody who "supports" an english club should support their national side too btw.
KOH
Roadend
07/03/2007, 4:25 PM
I meant playing in the premier****.
Oh so he can only be judged on how he plays in the premiership. I see....
Ceirtlis
07/03/2007, 4:29 PM
Liverpool won the Champions League a few years ago for fooks sake and Gerrard was the one who brought them back into it. Likewise he got them back in the fa cup final against West Ham last year with a brilliant display. Anyone who says they have never seen him play as well as Mikel did last night has obviously not seen him play too many games.Mikel has done nothing - apart from changing his name because it sounds better on tv - since going to England. Im not saying Gerrard is the best in the world or anything, he clearly didnt do it at the world cup, but a nothing player? What a load of rubbish, a real Eamonn Dunphy classic(the man who was up for Cameroon against Ireland, saying Ireland had absolutley no chance of making it through the groups). The panel on RTE are so ****ing cynical, they are not happy when the underdog wins because they always say the favourite just wasnt "honest" enough. If i was to sum up that game last night i would say, fair play to Liverpool, they are an average side but they still managed to knock out the champions over two legs.
Name Index Score Overall Index Rank Team
1 marcus hahnemann 378 14 Reading
2 edwin van der sar 371 16 Manchester United
3 david james 366 20 Portsmouth
4 jose reina 359 23 Liverpool
5 tim howard 343 32 Everton
Those Stats are hilarious. Hahnemann is massive weak link for Reading.
:eek:
Stats!! The last refuge of the desperate.
Whilst not proving anything, it gives some semblance of rationale to Gerrard having a decent, not great season and I am quite happy with him personally. Far from a nothing player in fact.
I only wait for the Scholes is a good tackler comment next to join spurious claims that Tevez has been playing well for more than one game, Carrick is a better midfielder, Carragher is not very good and Terry is a good centre-half from certain people amongst this thread.
mypost
07/03/2007, 4:43 PM
fair play to Liverpool, they are an average side.
More patronising shyte.
Knock out the Italian champions, English champions, Spanish champions, top your CL groups, and come from 0-3 down to beat an Italian side in a European Cup final.
In most countries, that would be called a "wonderful" side with world-class footballers. Here it's only average, with "nothing" players. :rolleyes:
Ceirtlis
07/03/2007, 4:53 PM
More patronising shyte
Im basing it on their performances in the premiership where they are currently 3rd 19 points of top.
WeAreRovers
07/03/2007, 5:11 PM
I think we'll have to call this thread a good day's work if annoying the touchiest fans on Earth is the point. ;)
Shame on the Hoops on this thread prattling on about "us" and "we" in relation to a foreign team. :rolleyes:
KOH
I'm sure the one Hoop can handle that 'shame' :)
Funnily enough he's having a great season Dodge. He has always stood out for me and I'd be genuinely shocked if he wasn't in the next England squad. I'm sure I read McClaran acknowledging the fact somewhere recently.
He's doing OK but he is the slowest player in europe. Same way John Terry is a bit slow for top top class football (witness world cup and latter stages of europe). Not much between Terry and Carragher mind
He took the wrong sort of Acid
Funny that Dunphy mentioned acid / LSD on last nights programme when talking about the decline of the Galacticos.
Did anyone else pick up on this .
Are the expert knowledge of the RTE panel using this site for inspiration.:)
OwlsFan
08/03/2007, 9:13 AM
I was amused by Alan "brilliant" "magnificent" Parry on SKy last night as he declared that Arsenal "must surely go on and win this" after they scored. Talk about tempting fate.
So another season without a trophy for Arsenal and yet they will continue to play weakened sides in the FA Cup and League Cup. I am gutted for Arsene Whinger.
I see RTE must have had a few complaints about the panel's attacks on Ronaldo as Giles said he wasn't going to mention him again.
geysir
08/03/2007, 10:08 AM
Bill betrayed his deprived educational knowledge when referring to Man u's opponents as Lil.
Dodge
08/03/2007, 10:24 AM
educational knowledge
LOL :D
osarusan
08/03/2007, 10:35 AM
Carragher's a great example of a limited player who gets the absolute maximum out of his talent. The likes of Rio Ferdinand and Steven Gerrard would do well to have a look at what Carragher has achieved. IMO only Woodgate is abetter English centre half
Agreed. I think this is mainly because Carrgher is aware of his limitations, knows what he can and cannot do, and plays accordingly.
Schumi
08/03/2007, 10:35 AM
Some RTE radio guy pronounced it Lill as well, maybe it's a received pronunciation. :rolleyes:
NY Hoop
08/03/2007, 10:45 AM
I think we'll have to call this thread a good day's work if annoying the touchiest fans on Earth is the point. ;)
Shame on the Hoops on this thread prattling on about "us" and "we" in relation to a foreign team. :rolleyes:
KOH
Why the shame? Referring to foreign clubs as "us" and "we" is pathetic. Not "prattling" at all.
Anyone hear Billo saying it's "really sad" that arsenal are out?:eek:
KOH
mypost
08/03/2007, 11:44 AM
Why the shame? Referring to foreign clubs as "us" and "we" is pathetic.
Whinger. Ignore.
Liverpool is not in Eastern Kazachstan. Liverpool is the closest Premiership team to Dublin, a city that's a 20 minute hop from Dublin Airport, and closer to Dublin than Linfield, a genuine foreign club.
NY Hoop
08/03/2007, 12:11 PM
Whinger. Ignore.
Liverpool is not in Eastern Kazachstan. Liverpool is the closest Premiership team to Dublin, a city that's a 20 minute hop from Dublin Airport, and closer to Dublin than Linfield, a genuine foreign club.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Thanks for the geography lesson Borat although for your information liverpool is a foreign club.
KOH
Lots of Irish people have a Premiership team as second team after the eL but only muppets would call say "we" when speaking about.
reder
08/03/2007, 12:25 PM
RTE's football coverage and analysis, whether it is CL, PL or EL is extremely poor. As we are discussing the CL coverage, I will concentrate on that.
I watched the analysis of the Liverpool game on youtube as someone on a uk lfc fanzine forum posted a link to it and it was the topic of much discussion. It saddens me to think that we have to give these morons some of our hard earned money by law. Surely the time has come for RTE to generate their own income. If tv3 can do then so should they.
Anyway the panels comments in relation to Gerrard are nothing short of insane. To refer to him as a nothing player is simply mind-boggling. By his own admission Gerrard is not having his best season but he worked his back side off on tues and gave evra and vidic alot of problems last saturday. (Btw I am no gerrard lover but I still admire him as a player.) Personally, I thought Ronaldinho was the biggest footballing flop our the 2 legs but the panel failed to pick up on that. (Trevor Steven is the only regular planel member who I have seen talk sense.)
Carra, what can I say, one our most consistent players over the past few seasons along with Stevie Finnan. I see a few bright sparks here think he is limited. Carra is a centre back, can someone please tell me how he is a limited? Is it his positioning, heading, passing, tackling? Please enlighten me?
On a side note, I would like to give a mention to the form of Stevie Finnan who has been excellent all season and has show in the last 2 games that he is a top class RB. Against man u he was up against giggs and had an excellent game against him. In the 2 games against Barca, he was up against, Eto, Ronaldinho & Messi and none of them got a kick. Also he is one of the few full backs in the PL at the moment who can pass and cross with both feet.
WeAreRovers
08/03/2007, 1:15 PM
Surely the time has come for RTE to generate their own income. If tv3 can do then so should they.
In a post riddled with nonsense I can't let this pass - RTÉ generates far more income from advertising than it does from the licence fee. All so that you can watch Champions League, Eircom League and Premiership football free-to-air.
KOH
I notice its only Liverpool fans defending Gerrard, and then some say that the attackers have an agenda?!
Anyway, I thought it was sad to see Arsenal go out last night as they play very attractive football. I'd much rather watch them in europe than a limited PSV outfit. I get the feeling thats not the way Billo meant it but who cares.
RTÉ generates far more income from advertising than it does from the licence fee.
If that is the case, then it should be done away with as they clearly dont need it. I smell an RTE employee.
Also I dont think you are in a position to question the content of my posts. My education in football came from watching british clubs and players, not just Liverpool, which triumphed at the highest levels in club football. I think I know football!!
Also I can assure that this is one Liverpool fan who is not a fan of Steven Gerrard as a person but I respect him as a player.
As you were!
mypost
08/03/2007, 2:15 PM
Anyway, I thought it was sad to see Arsenal go out last night as they play very attractive football.
Against who?? Chelsea, Barcelona, Villarreal, PSV?? :confused:
More like Charlton, West Ham, and Reading, when winning. Sure, anyone can play attractive football then. :o
Against who?? Chelsea, Barcelona, Villarreal, PSV?? :confused:
More like Charlton, West Ham, and Reading, when winning. Sure, anyone can play attractive football then. :o
did you not see their reserves run rings around chelsea in the carling cup final then?
WeAreRovers
08/03/2007, 2:35 PM
I smell an RTE employee.
Well spotted. ;)
KOH
did you not see their reserves run rings around chelsea in the carling cup final then?
Bang on, having watched alot of Arsenal & been to see them on a number of occasions i have to say the style of football is fantastic to watch, doesnt always deliver results but to say they only play like that against the 'weaker' teams is nonsense, FFS its the ONLY way they know how to play, thats their biggest criticism, that they have no plan B!
Anyway, great thread, keep it going people!!:)
Koh
deadman
08/03/2007, 4:42 PM
i've had a good read through all this thread
comments on gerrard, lampard, obi-wan kenobi ???
there's nothing as fickle as a football fan
or perhaps, football writers (james lawton springs to mind)
Personal I think Arsenal have played the best football of any team this decade. In full flow they could outplay Brazil, Barca, Man Utd, Argentina or whoever. As you say though DvB they don't have a plan B for when thats not working. Really hope Arsene Wenger gets his hands on the European Cup someday, what he has done for British football is vastly under-rated in my opinion, by the British media, probably because he is French
OwlsFan
08/03/2007, 4:57 PM
On the "we" debate vis a vis an English or foreign club, I agree. I never describe the beloved Wednesday as "we" because I am not a member of the club, I am not English and most people in Sheffield couldn't care less if Ireland was swamped by a sunami. I'll still support them though. The only ones I call "we" are Rovers and Ireland.
As for Arsenal playing the "best football" of the decade, if it was that great they would have won the CL at least once and the league title nearly every season. It might be attractive (the moans of Whinger apart) to watch but that doesn't make it the "best football". Also at their best, Barca's football would have been more attractive and more effective.
Why the shame? Referring to foreign clubs as "us" and "we" is pathetic.
I didn't know (not that I use it) that use of a personal pronoun such as 'we' was country specific or country dependant.
I stupidly thought that it is used to refer to a group of people of which you are amongst. So perfectly suitable to describe support or following of Liverpool or Barcelona, Wayside Celtic, Armagh u-15s, Colo Colo, Boca Juniors, Manchester United, Orlando Pirates etc.
Do you see my point yet? I'm sure you do at this stage, but you'll carry on regardless, no doubt.
Billsthoughts
09/03/2007, 8:53 AM
As for Arsenal playing the "best football" of the decade, if it was that great they would have won the CL at least once and the league title nearly every season. It might be attractive (the moans of Whinger apart) to watch but that doesn't make it the "best football". Also at their best, Barca's football would have been more attractive and more effective.
What about man u of the early to mid nineties? they played some fantastic football that was very effective in winning trophies.
Poor Student
10/03/2007, 3:29 PM
Lots of Irish people have a Premiership team as second team after the eL but only muppets would call say "we" when speaking about.
Leave this stuff out of this forum. Same goes for NY Hoop.
NY Hoop
12/03/2007, 11:53 AM
I didn't know (not that I use it) that use of a personal pronoun such as 'we' was country specific or country dependant.
I stupidly thought that it is used to refer to a group of people of which you are amongst. So perfectly suitable to describe support or following of Liverpool or Barcelona, Wayside Celtic, Armagh u-15s, Colo Colo, Boca Juniors, Manchester United, Orlando Pirates etc.
Do you see my point yet? I'm sure you do at this stage, but you'll carry on regardless, no doubt.
Read owlsfan's post if you're able. Your point is worng.
KOH
mypost
15/03/2007, 3:19 AM
Your point is worng.
He's right and you're wrong.
"We" does not indicate patriotism. It is defined by something that you have, own, or belong to, from friends to football teams, be they in Ireland, Iceland, or Indonesia. You just don't like English football clubs. That's something for you to live with.
And yes, I've read through the whole thread.
NY Hoop
15/03/2007, 10:48 AM
In your opinion. Fact is referring to any foreign club as "we" is embarrassing and pathetic and could only happen in Ireland.
Do you refer to the english national team as "we"?
Santa bring you the latest shoot magazine yet?
Back on topic Giles, dummy et al are still more entertaining and brutally honest than all of the other channels put together.
KOH
Roadend
15/03/2007, 10:53 AM
You're mixing up brutally honest with controversial my dear boy.
NY Hoop
15/03/2007, 11:07 AM
You're mixing up brutally honest with controversial my dear boy.
Not at all sunshine. You can be honest without being controversial.
KOH
geysir
15/03/2007, 11:18 AM
In your opinion. Fact is referring to any foreign club as "we" is embarrassing and pathetic and could only happen in Ireland.
Did it happen in this thread?
Roadend
15/03/2007, 1:00 PM
Not at all sunshine. You can be honest without being controversial.
KOH
Poor lad, so so naive.
NY Hoop
15/03/2007, 1:23 PM
Poor lad, so so naive.
Thanks for coming kid. Great perceptive contributions.
KOH
mypost
15/03/2007, 2:13 PM
Fact is referring to any foreign club as "we" is embarrassing and pathetic and could only happen in Ireland.
Embarrassing and Pathetic to who?? :confused: FYI, fans in other countries also have favourite foreign teams, all referred to, as "we".
Do you refer to the english national team as "we"?
As I don't support them, I would refer to the English national team, the same as I refer to the Scottish, French, Italian, Spanish team the same, as in "they".
Roadend
15/03/2007, 2:27 PM
Thanks for coming kid. Great perceptive contributions.
KOH
And would you mind telling everyone how you showed Dumpy and co are brutally honest as opposed to being controversial for the sake of it, young man.
NY Hoop
15/03/2007, 2:34 PM
And would you mind telling everyone how you showed Dumpy and co are brutally honest as opposed to being controversial for the sake of it, young man.
No problem sonny. If a game is bad they will say so. Hardly controversial. Although dummy tries to be nearly all of the time Giles doesnt go out of his way to create a storm. Brady either.
KOH
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