RTE Panel and the Champions League

[dfx-]

Dunphy tonight:

"Gerrard, a nothing player"

Classic.

'Based on tonight', the rantings of a madman.

I was only waiting for him to say that you'd find better defenders in the Phoenix Park than Finnan and Carragher's performances.:rolleyes:

[drinkfeckarse]

Anybody who thinks Gerrard is a "nothing player" is letting their hatred of the Premiership cloud their opinion. Ridiculous comment.

[Jerry The Saint]

I've come to the conclusion that the RTE lads don't actually like football. They like the mythical, never-happened Superfootball that their drug-addled (in Dunphy's case) minds misremember from when they were young.


It's all a far cry from small boys in the park, jumpers for goalposts. Isn't it? Mmmmm. Marvellous.

[Roadend]

Dunphy's change in attitude from half time to full time was hillarious.

[geysir]

I thought Dunphy said rubbish twice about Gerrard.
Giles can be seriously depressed, at times nothing can spark some joy in the man. If Barca were as great as Brady claims then it follows that either they are not so great or Liverpool outplayed them, by any measurement Liverpool deserved it unreservedly last night.
Probably it was the most out of tune post match analysis I have seen. Bill should have thrown a tantrum at them.
The old Liverpool would have been 2 up and closed down the game. So what about this shaky performance, any analysis of the game would show that it was by some freak that they hadn't scored by half time and Barca could conjure a goal at any time out of nothing.
Finnan is class.

[jebus]

Would the Liverpool fans not let their blind love for this defence minded team cloud what they are saying.

Brady said that if you enjoy free flowing attacking football than you would have wanted Barcelona to go through. This is correct.

Giles said Liverpool can't attack to save their lives. This is correct.

They all said Sissoko is good at winning the ball, but is one of the worst passers of the ball at this level. This is correct.

Dunphy said Gerrard is a nothing player. While this is going over the top Gerrard certainly is a liability, the guy is only out to get headlines for himself, he won't track back, and goes missing in lots of games.


I'm not a United, Everton, Chelsea or Arsenal fan incase you were going to ask

[Lim till i die]

Anybody who thinks Gerrard is a "nothing player" is letting their hatred of the Premiership cloud their opinion. Ridiculous comment.

In the context of last nights game he was worse than useless


Gerrard certainly is a liability, the guy is only out to get headlines for himself, he won't track back, and goes missing in lots of games.

This is spot on the sooner Liverpool collect their 40 million and sign a genuine playmaker to partner Alonso the better

[geysir]

Barcelona coach Frank Rijkaard
"It is necessary to congratulate Liverpool," said the Dutchman.
"They have played, forcefully, very hard, direct and with a lot of mental strength.
"They have made a great team, organised well at the back and with a lot of depth.
"The result was correct. We gained 0-1, but with some luck. They had chances and were a team with a lot of emotion and at a superior level."

[WeAreRovers]

Gerrard is the most over-rated player in the history of the professional game - and that's saying something in the context of English media hype of average players.

KOH

[eirebhoy]

Gerrard is the most over-rated player in the history of the professional game - and that's saying something in the context of English media hype of average players.

KOH
I've seen plenty of world class performances from Gerrard. I can honestly and truely say I've never seen Frank Lampard put in a world class performance.

[Dodge]

I'd have lampard ahead of Gerrard but only slightly (Lampard was superb v Barca this season, Gerrard anonymous twice). The media hype on both of them is disgusting.

[OwlsFan]

Barcelona coach Frank Rijkaard
"It is necessary to congratulate Liverpool," said the Dutchman.
"They have played, forcefully, very hard, direct and with a lot of mental strength.
"They have made a great team, organised well at the back and with a lot of depth.
"The result was correct. We gained 0-1, but with some luck. They had chances and were a team with a lot of emotion and at a superior level."

That was a good summary of the game. ITV were correct. Liverpool created more chances and were the better team. Not beautiful to watch but more effective.

Brady is a begrudger and Dunphy just tries to jeer and mock just for the sake of it because it's controversial and attracts those people who like that sort of thing. Why could he not praise an average Liverpool side for deservedly knocking out the holders made up of a team of superstars. No, he prefers to mock Gerrard and Liverpool, ignoring the fact that they overall were the better team on the night. Giles for a change disagreed with him.

Some people thinking sneering makes for a good pundit and "speaking the truth". I don't.

[shakermaker1982]

I'd have Lampard as number 1 but Gerrard a close 2nd in the most hyped/over rated players of the modern era!

[wws]

Gerrard is a nothing player who just happens to score amazing goals - ie he doesnt excel at the meat and drink of a midfielder - making play for his team with consistent passing to the right areas and retaining the ball etc etc

but he does score great goals, undeniably so


ps Alonso was equally merdre last night - woefully over rated as well in my opinion - its a real Irish thing to carp at Gerrard's anonymity in a game whilst letting Alonso off the hook

I can only presume its the old minnowistic anti-english attitude which persists to this day among the self hating leprechaun army


pps barca's utter woefulness has been flagged up weeks in advance - Seville did them with 9 men ffs - useless at the back and with several superstars who havent given a t'upeeny fck after winning the CL last season - in that context Giles was right - they were there for the taking - Liverpool taking the game on its merits would have hammered them off the park - yet Liverpool and benitez played as if they were facing LAST SEASONS Barcelona team!

[jebus]

I'd have Lampard as number 1 but Gerrard a close 2nd in the most hyped/over rated players of the modern era!

Rooney would be pushing on there too. I mean he's a very good player and all, but he isn't in the same league as the Zidanes and Bergkamps of this world, two players I've heard him being compared to

[Schumi]

I hadn't watched RTE's football coverage in ages, did someone melt Dunphy's face in the meantime?

[Dodge]

I hadn't watched RTE's football coverage in ages, did someone melt Dunphy's face in the meantime?

He took the wrong sort of Acid

[jebus]

ps Alonso was equally merdre last night - woefully over rated as well in my opinion - its a real Irish thing to carp at Gerrard's anonymity in a game whilst letting Alonso off the hook

I can only presume its the old minnowistic anti-english attitude which persists to this day among the self hating leprechaun army


On the contrary, I rate Alonso as a better player than Gerrard, but will admit he's having an indifferant season. That said the real reason we're flagging up Gerrard is that we are constantly told by the British media that he is probably the best player in the world, well either himself, Rooney or Lampard anyway, so hence when there is a game that shows him up for the mediocre player he is we jump on it. Bet the papers go on about him being immense this morning too

:rolleyes:

[WeAreRovers]

I've seen plenty of world class performances from Gerrard. I can honestly and truely say I've never seen Frank Lampard put in a world class performance.

Jon Obi Mikel's performance last night put both Gerrard and Lampard to shame. He turned the game in the second half and the kid is only 19. He's a proper box-to-box midfielder, always looking for the ball. Gerrard and Lampard spend most of their time hiding.

KOH

[Roadend]

Giles said Liverpool can't attack to save their lives. This is correct.

I think the stats would say otherwise, but what are stats only stupid factual tidbits anyway.

[Roadend]

Jon Obi Mikel's performance last night put both Gerrard and Lampard to shame. He turned the game in the second half and the kid is only 19. He's a proper box-to-box midfielder, always looking for the ball. Gerrard and Lampard spend most of their time hiding.

KOH

1 performance against the mighty Porto. You've sure given your comment much needed credibility. Well done you.

[pete]

The Premiership is the most entertaining league in Europe but it is not the best. The ability to pass the ball & retain possession is almost non-existent in the Premiership which is partially why England not good enough at International level.

Liverpool deserved to win as they are effective team.

I could not listen to Ray Houghton on RTE so listened to ITV instead. He may always be correct but David Pleat is the best "summariser" on football commentary.

[disko]

The Premiership is the most entertaining league in Europe???

Are you having a laugh?
You should watch some Bundesliga. Real competition over here.

[WeAreRovers]

1 performance against the mighty Porto. You've sure given your comment much needed credibility. Well done you.

My credibility is shot just because I had a pop at Stevie Me? Christ but Liverpool fans are something else.

Fact is I saw a complete midfield performance from a 19-year-old last night, I'm still waiting for one from Gerrard.

KOH

[gustavo]

I could not listen to Ray Houghton on RTE so listened to ITV instead. He may always be correct but David Pleat is the best "summariser" on football commentary.

Same here , its coming to something when you have to switch from an Irish station to an English station to get a balanced view on a game involving an English team.

[Roadend]

My credibility is shot just because I had a pop at Stevie Me? Christ but Liverpool fans are something else.

Fact is I saw a complete midfield performance from a 19-year-old last night, I'm still waiting for one from Gerrard.

KOH

No, you're example of one game by a kid against the poorest side left in the competition does nothing to suggest he's better or more complete than Gerrard or Lampard. I'm not sure how to make that any plainer for you.

[dfx-]

Fact is I saw a complete midfield performance from a 19-year-old last night, I'm still waiting for one from Gerrard.

And has he played well against Wigan too?

[mypost]

if you enjoy free flowing attacking football than you would have wanted Barcelona to go through. This is correct.

This is the "free-flowing attacking football" that produced less than 50% of the shots at goal against us at Anfield. :rolleyes: This is the shower of would be world-beaters, that would wipe the floor off everyone this season, yet when they had 20 minutes to save rescue their European Cup hopes, couldn't even manage a shot on target to do it.

The "great" Barcelona side, have failed to get stuck in when the chips were down at Seville, Valencia, Real Madrid, Chelsea, and Liverpool. Says a lot for World football that that bunch of gutless, hopeless, spineless showponies are European champions. They only turn on the free-flowing attacking football when 3-0 up at home to Malaga, Mallorca, and Getafe.

The RTE panel meanwhile, are a bunch of Man-Ure lovers, who were whinging that the hated Liverpool had the temerity to beat the Nou Camp blokes, again.

And yes, Stevie G is one of the best players in the world. He'd walk into any other side's first team. Would John Obi Mikel?? :D

[WeAreRovers]

No, you're example of one game by a kid against the poorest side left in the competition does nothing to suggest he's better or more complete than Gerrard or Lampard. I'm not sure how to make that any plainer for you.

I said 1 game. My point is that I've never seen Gerrard or Fat Frank do that in any game. :rolleyes:

I don't speak Scouse Whinge so I can't make it any simpler for you.

KOH

[Dodge]

BTW Fabregas is yonger than Mikel and is already the best midfielder in England. His performance against real madrid last year was the best seen by any midfielder in years

Oh and Gerrard wouldn't get into Barcelona's midfield ahead of Deco, Xavi or Iniesta.

[jebus]

This is the "free-flowing attacking football" that produced less than 50% of the shots at goal against us at Anfield. :rolleyes: This is the shower of would be world-beaters, that would wipe the floor off everyone this season, yet when they had 20 minutes to save rescue their European Cup hopes, couldn't even manage a shot on target to do it.

good old Liverpool supporters, never fail to get their backs up at the slightest insult to their club. Are you seriously suggesting that Liverpool are a better attacking team than Barcelona? Really? As in on the ground, pass and move football? Are you suggesting that getting 'stuck in' goes against my point about free flowing football? Because if you are than you're a complete fool who hasn't a clue about football.



The RTE panel meanwhile, are a bunch of Man-Ure lovers, who were whinging that the hated Liverpool had the temerity to beat the Nou Camp blokes, again.



Oh yeah forgot that 'Mr. Arsenal' Liam Brady, the man who constantly has a go at Ronaldo, Rooney and Ferguson, Eamon Dunphy, and John Giles, who has never shown any particular liking for Man Utd are all 'Man Ure Lovers'. :rolleyes: sort your arguments out before you bother posting would you

[Roadend]

I said 1 game. My point is that I've never seen Gerrard or Fat Frank do that in any game. :rolleyes:

I don't speak Scouse Whinge so I can't make it any simpler for you.

KOH

Maybe you should watch more games, Mikel has been turd in every game I've seen him in.

[dfx-]

I said 1 game. My point is that I've never seen Gerrard or Fat Frank do that in any game. :rolleyes:

I don't speak Scouse Whinge so I can't make it any simpler for you.

KOH

Over-hyped and over-rated though he is, I'll take Gerrard ahead of a 19 year old who plays well once.

Playing well once is the sort of thing that got Diao into the side. No thanks.

[WeAreRovers]

For the last bleedin' time - a 19-year-old kid played better last night than the hyped-up English midfielders like Gerrard and Lamaprd ever do. The fact that Liverpool fans feel the need to defend their hero against one game by a kid says it all.

Anyway, as Dodge points out Fabregas is the best midfielder in the Premiership. But he doesn't need the hype of the media and the paranoia of his club's fans to make that so.

TBH I'd even rate Carrick higher than Gerrard. At least he can pass the ball.

KOH

[Roadend]

I feel so silly, I thought you were trying to make some kind of a point, then you mentioned Carrick. I now realise you're on a pi55 take.

[WeAreRovers]

I feel so silly, I thought you were trying to make some kind of a point, then you mentioned Carrick. I now realise you're on a pi55 take.

Afraid not la, Carrick's a genuinely better player. Liverpool fans tend to mistake being from Liverpool and speaking with a Scouse accent with being a good player.

Jamie Carragher is another fine example of a pish poor player lauded by Liverpool fans. And all because Liverpool fans from Glenegeary and Glasnevin think he's "one of us la". :rolleyes:

KOH

[Roadend]

The opta stats will diagree with you there, but then what are facts in that face of your opninon.

[drinkfeckarse]

Afraid not la, Carrick's a genuinely better player. Liverpool fans tend to mistake being from Liverpool and speaking with a Scouse accent with being a good player.

Jamie Carragher is another fine example of a pish poor player lauded by Liverpool fans. And all because Liverpool fans from Glenegeary and Glasnevin think he's "one of us la". :rolleyes:

KOH

Carragher is an excellent defender. Poor distribution I'll give you that but if you think he's a poor defender then you don't really know much about defending at all.

[Dodge]

Carragher's a great example of a limited player who gets the absolute maximum out of his talent. The likes of Rio Ferdinand and Steven Gerrard would do well to have a look at what Carragher has achieved. IMO only Woodgate is abetter English centre half

[dfx-]

He's on a wind up...first Gerrard, then Carrick and now moving onto Carragher. I'd almost miss NY Hoop's attempts by comparison.

[NY Hoop]

good old Liverpool supporters, never fail to get their backs up at the slightest insult to their club. Are you seriously suggesting that Liverpool are a better attacking team than Barcelona? Really? As in on the ground, pass and move football? Are you suggesting that getting 'stuck in' goes against my point about free flowing football? Because if you are than you're a complete fool who hasn't a clue about football.



You're not wrong. Any Irish person that refers to an english club as "we" or "us" cannot be taken seriously. Because the media say Gerrard is world class they think he is. Sure the stupid paddies only "support" liverpool because everyone else does anyway:rolleyes:

Gerrard scores some great goals from distance and without him his average team mates would be lost. That's not world class no matter what sky sports tell you.

KOH

[dfx-]

The actim indices ratings are supposed to be excellent gauges for quality in football.

Here are the current stats:

Top 10 overall

As at: Tue 27 Feb 07 09:35
Name Team Index Score
1 didier drogba Chelsea 493
2 cristiano ronaldo Manchester United 492
3 frank lampard Chelsea 473
4 gareth barry Aston Villa 441
5 wayne rooney Manchester United 433
6 mikel arteta Everton 425
7 steve finnan Liverpool 422
8 steven gerrard Liverpool 404
9 rio ferdinand Manchester United 396
10 el-hadji diouf Bolton Wanderers 395

Top 5 Keepers:

Name Index Score Overall Index Rank Team
1 marcus hahnemann 378 14 Reading
2 edwin van der sar 371 16 Manchester United
3 david james 366 20 Portsmouth
4 jose reina 359 23 Liverpool
5 tim howard 343 32 Everton

Top 5 Defenders:

Name Index Score Overall Index Rank Team
1 steve finnan 422 7 Liverpool
2 rio ferdinand 396 9 Manchester United
3 gary neville 385 13 Manchester United
4 matthew taylor 366 21 Portsmouth
5 nicky shorey 364 22 Reading

Top 5 Midfielders:

Name Index Score Overall Index Rank Team
1 cristiano ronaldo 492 2 Manchester United
2 frank lampard 473 3 Chelsea
3 gareth barry 441 4 Aston Villa
4 mikel arteta 425 6 Everton
5 steven gerrard 404 8 Liverpool


The last one is interesting, eh? So lads, where's the backing behind your opinions?

[Dodge]

The last one is interesting, eh? So lads, where's the backing behind your opinions?
If you're bringing ****ing stats into it, you've proved all our points... Gareth ****ing Barry!!!

[wws]

a subject close to my heart this

my line would simply be this

Stephen Hunt - the best player in the premiership in my view. I don't care what anyone else thinks - this lad has the lot!

Ronaldo - Shammer - people who say he's the greatest are either kids (who dont know no better or just simpletons - they will learn in time to differentiate between a shammer and a true diamond if they're kids)

Lampard - the best English Midfielder by far
Gerrard - cracking eye for a shot, not a lot going on between the ears

Barca - rubbish this season and Liverpool should have hammered them if they didnt go all Houlier in the second half

[wws]

the ACTIM stats have Tevez as minus something - whatever you think about his performances for west ham he's not teh worst in the prem by any means

they are a useful guide but a guide and no more

[WeAreRovers]

Stats!! The last refuge of the desperate.

Dodge, Terry is the best English centre-half by far. Woodgate's the best ball-playing centre-half alright. Curtis Davies will outshine the lot of them in a few years.

KOH

[drinkfeckarse]

If you're bringing ****ing stats into it, you've proved all our points... Gareth ****ing Barry!!!

Funnily enough he's having a great season Dodge. He has always stood out for me and I'd be genuinely shocked if he wasn't in the next England squad. I'm sure I read McClaran acknowledging the fact somewhere recently.

[wws]

Funnily enough he's having a great season Dodge. He has always stood out for me and I'd be genuinely shocked if he wasn't in the next England squad. I'm sure I read McClaran acknowledging the fact somewhere recently.


lol

referencing McLAREN!

The really really last refuge of teh desperate!

[NY Hoop]

Stats!! The last refuge of the desperate.

Dodge, Terry is the best English centre-half by far. Woodgate's the best ball-playing centre-half alright. Curtis Davies will outshine the lot of them in a few years.

KOH

Dont be stupid they dont play for liverpool so they're obviously all crap:D

Terry is up there with Adams and McGrath IMO.

KOH

[wws]

Dont be stupid they dont play for liverpool so they're obviously all crap:D

Terry is up there with Adams and McGrath IMO.

KOH


is he an alco?