Shels have been granted

[The Man Himself]

if shels are allowed to stay in the top flight with a points deduction" well thats the end of me following eircom league football as its becoming the butt of all jokes over the way its been run by a bunch of gowlers.

the FAI is only a big fat farce and i for one will not pay good money to watch it when its been run the way it is.

[Celdrog]

if shels are allowed to stay in the top flight with a points deduction" well thats the end of me following eircom league football as its becoming the butt of all jokes over the way its been run by a bunch of gowlers.
the FAI is only a big fat farce and i for one will not pay good money to watch it when its been run the way it is.
Hiya Maaaxi - You are right - its all a faaaaarrrrrce, ask Roy Keane.

The FAI are only running the league a while. For teams going into administration in England or Scotland its a point deduction, so I fail to see why that should not happen here.
Now as regards what happens if (when) they are found guilty on last year's shenanigans then surley they cannot be champions.
As for the FAI and the national team :rolleyes:

I paid to see the Drogs when we were bottom of the first division and going nowhere (with a hundred mile round trip). If you move away form domestic soccer because Shels are not relegated then you should take a look at yourself or **** off back to the barstoolers.

[gufct]

If shels arent relegated then the new eircom league is f***ed before it starts.Limerick get thrown out over a pittance and Shels owe €12m wheres the justice in that. There has to be some form of protest at the FAI or Croke Park.

Whats the betting Delaneys henchmen will be confiscating banners etc outside Croker like he had them doing at Landsdowne.:mad:

[Mark Breen]

There should have been a ';)' after that to avoid such confusion.

KOH

Ye though so.....:D

[The Man Himself]

**** off back to the barstoolers.

been a supporter of irish football for nearly 30 years, one things for sure" i was never a barstooler nor have any intentions of becoming one, as i dont drink or never have. just because i made a comment on packing in eircom league football because of the way its been run dont give you the right to tell me to f*** back to the barstool.

*****.

[Celdrog]

Barstooler = a person who follows the premiership or scottish league and criticises the LOI and refuses to follow ther local team

[monutdfc]

Limerick get thrown out over a pittance and Shels owe €12m wheres the justice in that.
Dundalk finish 2nd in the First Division and win the play-off but a team that finished below them gets promoted, where's the justice in that?;) ;)

[passerrby]

ah please not again there was a process that did not involve winning our coming second in the league. i did not agree with the process but the clubs did so this is not the blame of the fai . but if they fudge this then they will never regain any credability

[Sam Savic]

From what I believe, Shelbourne didn't submit false accounts. They gave it straight. They submitted their agreement with the Revenue. They submitted their agreement with the Players Association. The fact that their revenue stream ( Ozzie K ) decided to play hard ball has left them in a no win situation. They are now unable to honour those agreements. Shelbourne have no choice but to sell off their only asset. The reason for the 24 hour extension is probably so that the legalities can be finalised.

[The Man Himself]

Barstooler = a person who follows the premiership or scottish league and criticises the LOI and refuses to follow ther local team

i never supported english or scottish teams in my life and never will.
its prople like that Celdrog clown going around calling people barstoolers when he dont even know them.

i bet he has his liverpool and celtic jerseys hanging up on his bedroom wall:rolleyes:

[pineapple stu]

From what I believe, Shelbourne didn't submit false accounts. They gave it straight. They submitted their agreement with the Revenue. They submitted their agreement with the Players Association.
Does that mean that Ollie is calling all the shots here then? If that's the case, he could well have Delaney by the balls and could effectively blackmail him to get what he wants, or else face "Delaney's Licencing is a shambles" articles in the press.

Who's stalling for time here - Shels or the FAI?

[Jerry The Saint]

Does that mean that Ollie is calling all the shots here then? If that's the case, he could well have Delaney by the balls and could effectively blackmail him to get what he wants?

In a shock move, Shels begin the season in the Premier Division with a 15-point BONUS! :eek:

[sniffa]

If Shels are not relegated then the FAI should be let known how we all feel.
How about this as a protest.
If your team is playing away to Shels then go to the game but refuse to enter the ground. It might hurt that you're team is playing inside and you're outside but with the team that Shels will have it shouldnt really matter.
Staying outside the ground will hurt Ollie and show the FAI and the public that we dont agree with them.
Boycott Tolka!!

[redron]

Structured debt (eg. a loan with a schedule for repayments) is perfectly acceptable in normal business practice, within certain limits (based on the assets or turnover of the business). This would be accounted for in the audited accounts. This is within the scope of the Club Licensing Criteria (read the manual -- it's on the FAI website).

What would be a breach of the Licensing Criteria would be if unstructured debts (eg. unpaid bills (after 90 days, I think)) were misrepresented in the books as structured debt. It's easy turning an unstructured debt into a structured debt: just negotiate a schedule of payments and/or penalties (late payment fees or interest) with your creditor.

This is the big difference between Shels and LimFC (regarding the financial criteria of the licensing system): while Shels had audited accounts to submit with their licence application, LimFC did not.

If, however, the books were "cooked", then that is very serious, and should be punished accordingly.
If players haven't received their full wages, or were regularly paid late, then the PFAI needs to get its act together to stamp out such blatant exploitation.

[trevy]

What a joke that the decision has been put off until Monday now.Is anyone surprised :rolleyes: ?Every other club has there house in order and is waiting for fixtures to come out.What happens if whatever punishment if any is given to Shelbourne is appealed by Ollie Byrne which could easily happen given his track record.

[Sam Savic]

What a joke that the decision has been put off until Monday now.Is anyone surprised :rolleyes: ?Every other club has there house in order and is waiting for fixtures to come out.What happens if whatever punishment if any is given to Shelbourne is appealed by Ollie Byrne which could easily happen given his track record.

Ollie's not running the show any more. He's a very ill man.

[onceahoop]

The word is that Ollie is holding out to get his nephew in as Chief Exec :eek: while the consortium want someone else. It's obvious that Ollie won't let go of the reins. Who'll call his bluff. The consortium have nothing to lose so will sit tight. The FAI including Son Of Joe have everything to lose. Mind you they've shown themselves to be shameless so far in evertything they've done but they can't go on giving extensions for ever nor will the Mandarins of Revenue wait forever.

[Mental Man]

Just heard also another reason for the hold up on the shels issus is that shels owe the FAI 250k in money missing over ireland tickets.
It just gets bettter and better :rolleyes: .

[khoop]

Just heard also another reason for the hold up on the shels issus is that shels owe the FAI 250k in money missing over ireland tickets

Even the most casual observer could see that Ollie was juggling with a huge pile of unpaid bills for years. The situation for Shels was bad enough before - but it got a whole lot worse when Ollie's normally totally private desk was exposed to scrutiny from others who were trying to save the club.

I can't really see how Shels can be allowed to play in either division - because surely to allow them to do so, would involve ignoring a large part of the pile of unpaid bills.

Then again - we aren't talkig logic, we're talking FAI.

[Dr.Nightdub]

Just heard also another reason for the hold up on the shels issus is that shels owe the FAI 250k in money missing over ireland tickets.

That's the third time I've heard that today, from fans of three different clubs.

Option A: FAI owed €250k by an eL club, with at least a remote prospect of getting their money back
Option B: FAI owed €250k by an ex-eL / LSL / defunct club, with not even a remote prospect of getting their money back
Not that this would sway the FAi's decision. :rolleyes:

[gufct]

I actually posted on here about Ollies Ticket Allocation which is the biggest of any el club. Ollie knows where all the bodies are buried in relation to Johhny D's rise to power in the FAI so expect shels to get away with all this on monday.

[wexfordned]

Its the Shels fans I feel sorry for. Look at all the work they have put into saving their club just like rovers did. I mean look at everything they have done to date.............................................. ......................... ehm, ahh, ummm,

Still they can relax after a job well done if Ollie's nephew takes over Shels because you can be sure he wont let Oily have anything to do with the club!

[WeAreRovers]

Just heard also another reason for the hold up on the shels issus is that shels owe the FAI 250k in money missing over ireland tickets.
It just gets bettter and better :rolleyes: .

I was wondering when this would come out. As Doc says, this has being doing the rounds from various differnt sources.

KOH

[dcfcsteve]

Its the Shels fans I feel sorry for. Look at all the work they have put into saving their club just like rovers did. I mean look at everything they have done to date.............................................. ......................... ehm, ahh, ummm,



Ahhh - go easy on them Wexfordned. Business Studies isn't what it used to be at school these days.

And besides - didn't you know that it was impossible for fans to take control of a football club ? Especially one that is financially bankrupt....

[dcfcsteve]

Just heard also another reason for the hold up on the shels issus is that shels owe the FAI 250k in money missing over ireland tickets.
It just gets bettter and better :rolleyes: .

If true, surely this makes the likelihood of a fair and balanced decision on Shels nigh-on impossible ? :eek:

Just when you thought the murky waters of Irish football couldn't get any deeper.... :mad:

[OneRedArmy]

And after the Phil the Greek (or whatever his name was) Ticketgate they swore they would totally change their credit control procedures and this kind of thing would NEVER happen again......

Plus ca change etc.

[wexfordned]

Ahhh - go easy on them Wexfordned. Business Studies isn't what it used to be at school these days.

And besides - didn't you know that it was impossible for fans to take control of a football club ? Especially one that is financially bankrupt....

True, true. Can just see Oily taking a back seat & having nothing further to do with shels if he hands control of the club to his ex-kitman nephew Andy.

Still i'm sure his good mate John can find a suitable position for him in Merrion Square. Its full of back stabbing snakes so he should fit right in.

[exiled_gufc_fan]

From what I believe, Shelbourne didn't submit false accounts. They gave it straight.

I recall seeing one of the auditors' reports on the shels accounts posted up here. I have never seen an auditors opinion (I examine them every day at work) where the opinion was so full of disclaimers of opinions and highlighting uncertainties!

[John83]

I recall seeing one of the auditors' reports on the shels accounts posted up here. I have never seen an auditors opinion (I examine them every day at work) where the opinion was so full of disclaimers of opinions and highlighting uncertainties!
Pineapple Stu (an accountant) said that the auditor's report was 'highly qualified' or something. I get the impression that it was a pretty serious red flag.

[exiled_gufc_fan]

Pineapple Stu (an accountant) said that the auditor's report was 'highly qualified' or something. I get the impression that it was a pretty serious red flag.

Yes, I had intended to bring a copy of it into work to incorporate into my team's training :p

[pineapple stu]

If you go back to the thread when Shels were first hit by the Revenue, the Auditors' Report is linked in.

[Higgo]

Its the Shels fans I feel sorry for. Look at all the work they have put into saving their club just like rovers did. I mean look at everything they have done to date.............................................. ......................... ehm, ahh, ummm,

Still they can relax after a job well done if Ollie's nephew takes over Shels because you can be sure he wont let Oily have anything to do with the club!

******. There are good people involved with Shels who have practically given up their whole lives for the club. You have no idea what you're talking about. I know people who have worked tirelessly for years in a voluntary capacity to keep the place ticking over. Do you honestly think they could have influenced the decisions of our owner????? You're an *******.

[OneRedArmy]

I see the fudge has been completed (according to todays Indo).

Ollie will remain as owner of Shels, the debt will be cleared and the FAI will approve it all enabling them to take their place in the Premier.

If Shels are correct in saying that they submitted accurate accounts this year and last, surely this (following on the heels of Dublin City) indicates Licensing has totally failed to meet its stated aims?

[Tis-smeee]

just fell off my chair with the shock :eek:

[bohs til i die]

I see the fudge has been completed (according to todays Indo).

Ollie will remain as owner of Shels, the debt will be cleared and the FAI will approve it all enabling them to take their place in the Premier.

If Shels are correct in saying that they submitted accurate accounts this year and last, surely this (following on the heels of Dublin City) indicates Licensing has totally failed to meet its stated aims?

Licensing is a joke, has always been a joke, this is just the evidence that proves it. A club with significant debt [7 figure debt] is granted a licence despite being unable to pay players wages.

Welcome to the new improved FAI run league.

[MariborKev]

Licensing is a joke, has always been a joke, this is just the evidence that proves it.

To be fair, I think we had established from the first licence fiasco several years ago that the process was a sham.

As you say, this incident just proves the new improved licence is no different to the last......

[The Man Himself]

this whole issue is a farce.

delaney out
staunton out
shelbourne out

maxi maxol from dundalk for president

[finnpark]

If that story is true it is sad. Its an end to any credibility the league has had. Delaney must go if this is true.

[OneRedArmy]

The absolute minimum financial standard Licensing should have achieved is to ensure that clubs has sufficient finances to fund themselves for the next 12 months, including a sufficient level of working capital to ensure that poor results, falling gates, an early Cup/European exit etc. are able to be absorbed without creditors being put at immediate risk.

In this respect audited accounts are much less important than the next years budget.

[gufct]

Thats the story that was doing the rounds over the weekend not so much as a slap on the wrist for Shels.This is definitely the worst decision ever by the league if it comes to pass a 15 point deduction or more stringent sanctions was the minimum they should have got but as I posted before Ollie has a hold over Delaney and this if its true proves it.:mad:

[BohsPartisan]

How can they have dealt with Rovers, then Limerich FC the way they did and then let Shels away with this?

[Block G Raptor]

Anyone know when we can expect an official announcement
then again seen as its the FAI were talkin' about probably on the eve of the season at the earliest

[OneRedArmy]

If Shels have not been found guilty of anything, then a points deduction can't be applied.

Its an admission of complete incompetence by the FAI.

Bob Breen should be packing up his stuff for starters.

[gufct]

heard on friday that it could be wednesday before outcome is revealed which leaves the launch the following friday a damp squib. Surely Shels themselves would want it sorted as the 28th is the last day for signing players.

[The Man Himself]

i think every fan in ireland should bycott shels home games next season by not traveling to them,
start a campaign going, (lets all bycott tolka)

[BohsPartisan]

Can't see it happening. In fact I forsee record away crowds at Tolka this year.

[Block G Raptor]

i think every fan in ireland should bycott shels home games next season by not traveling to them,
start a campaign going, (lets all bycott tolka)

Was thinking along these lines myself. The Hillsborough families organised a boycott of hilsborough for Liverpool v Sheffield Wed in 2000 and a few hundred liverpool fans turned up. given how emotive the issue is on merseyside the failure of this very publisised Boycott would suggest that we'd be p!ssing in
the wind trying to do it for a whole season

[passerrby]

I really hope they get it right this time not to see shels suffer but to restore some kind of confidence in the FAI but alas i will not hold my breath

[finnpark]

I suspect Waterford United will halt the start of the league. I can see this going to court and rightly so this time for once. If Shels are allowed to play at all in the EL this season it would truly be a disgrace and a discredit to all the other teams.

[pineapple stu]

It's an admission of complete incompetence by the FAI.
I disagree. There's a difference between incompetence and couldn't-give-a-f***-ness.