BB Croker letters [Archive] - Page 5

Bluetonic

14/02/2007, 2:50 PM

They could issue every block booker with a number and print the number on each ticket allocated to that person. At the games, they could encourage people who buy off tout scum to report them. Simple. And then ban them for life.

No need, all seats can already be traced back to a block booking. Very hard to prove the original block booker did anything wrong, they may have simply passed the ticket on a face value and it was resold, the number of times it can be passed on a face value could be unlimited before it was sold over face value.

Newryrep

14/02/2007, 3:13 PM

No need, all seats can already be traced back to a block booking. Very hard to prove the original block booker did anything wrong, they may have simply passed the ticket on a face value and it was resold, the number of times it can be passed on a face value could be unlimited before it was sold over face value.

I think if the existing BB only got 2 tickets in their name (i dont mean a reduced allocation to their particular group) it would severly reduce the likelyhood that somebody who passes on a ticket in good faith ends up in the hands of a tout eg

1. 33K tickets - 5000 BB 4 tickets each , 5000 BB 2 tickets 3000 BB 1 ticket

becomes

2. 33K tickets - 15000 BB 2 tickets each 3000 BB 1 ticket each.

Everbody knows at least one or 2 guys he would trust with a ticket if he couldnt go himself. As opposed to a BB with 8 tickets as he who would get blamed if any of the tickets ended up in the wrong hands.

however admin increases 18000 BB's as opposed to 13000 BB's

antrimgreen

14/02/2007, 3:24 PM

There is at present ONE block booker selling tickets on ebay.

The system that is in place at present works when implement correctly, it also should suit the FAI as there is a lot less administration. When implemented correctly I fully support it as a fan, and would not like to see a one ticket system introduced.

Why do you consistantly bang on about the system being great if implemented correctly, the system is clearly a failure when you need a system to ensure the system is right :rolleyes:

Point 2, you obviously got your tickets and are a very happy bunny, but for those who joined a queue which had people in front with extra spaces held for their mates to jump in at anytime. The system is a failure, they should given everyone on the waiting list their 1st requested ticket, then went back to the start and gave out all those in a queue that wanted another 1 and so on until the ticket allocation run out. Now that is fair anything other than this is completley wrong.:mad:

Bluetonic

14/02/2007, 3:27 PM

I think if the existing BB only got 2 tickets in their name (i dont mean a reduced allocation to their particular group) it would severly reduce the likelyhood that somebody who passes on a ticket in good faith ends up in the hands of a tout eg

Block bookings aren't just made up of individuals, there are football clubs throughout the country who have block bookings which may contains 20+ tickets, different people from the club go to matches all the time, club members join and leave, so how do you figure that would work?

Bluetonic

14/02/2007, 3:36 PM

Why do you consistantly bang on about the system being great if implemented correctly
As it is.

Point 2, you obviously got your tickets and are a very happy bunny, but for those who joined a queue which had people in front with extra spaces held for their mates to jump in at anytime. The system is a failure, they should given everyone on the waiting list their 1st requested ticket, then went back to the start and gave out all those in a queue that wanted another 1 and so on until the ticket allocation run out. Now that is fair anything other than this is completley wrong.:mad:
I suggest you rub your eyes and reread my posts, including this one http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=623463&postcount=194

When people originally joined the waiting list (some 6 years ago or more) they were asked for how many tickets they would like their blocking booking to represent, this has been the way things have been run from the beginning. All the FAI had to do was honour these request. Thats my stance on the issue as I've pointed out many times in this thread already.

People need to be aware that although they are joining a list at number 3000 there is really 3000 bookings each containing a ticket or more.

Newryrep

14/02/2007, 3:44 PM

Block bookings aren't just made up of individuals, there are football clubs throughout the country who have block bookings which may contains 20+ tickets, different people from the club go to matches all the time, club members join and leave, so how do you figure that would work?

Bluetonic

I would preface the BB with club ie Club BB No 10000 - Sligo Town Joe Bloggs 20 tickets

If there are 20 in the club that want a ticket they all get a ticket - no spares

If the are 80 in the club and they want a ticket- 60 disappointed - no spares

If there are 10 in the club that want a ticket what the hell are they doing getting 20 tickets

If any of these tickets ends up with a tout - which you would think would be unlikely in the 1st two scenarios as everybody probably knows one another and knows the penalties- Joe Bloogs personnally would not be blamed but the 20 ticket allocation should be reduced to 19 and a warning about future conduct be issued .

Like i said everybody knows one or two guys who he would trust with a ticket. I wouldnt want Joe Bloggs hung out to dry because some ******* in his club tried to make a quick buck.

antrimgreen

14/02/2007, 3:46 PM

Yes obviously people on the waiting list below 3000 are waiting for tickets, but 10 or 6 per person, that's of the page. Come on be a realistic a system were your in a queue and the guy in front can order as may as he likes. Believe it or not that is called unfair.

Bluetonic

14/02/2007, 3:50 PM

Come on be a realistic a system were your in a queue and the guy in front can order as may as he likes. Believe it or not that is called unfair.

I'm not condoning someone ordering as many as they like, and as you've now read my other posts I'm sure you've seen I've spoken out in disagreement about it already.

Bluetonic

14/02/2007, 3:52 PM

After all is said and done the FAI don't really give a ****e as the tickets will be sold with the least amount of effort keeping a majority of people happy (those who got tickets) and the money will be in the bank.

Newryrep

14/02/2007, 3:55 PM

As it is.

I suggest you rub your eyes and reread my posts, including this one http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=623463&postcount=194

When people originally joined the waiting list (some 6 years ago or more) they were asked for how many tickets they would like their blocking booking to represent, this has been the way things have been run from the beginning. All the FAI had to do was honour these request. Thats my stance on the issue as I've pointed out many times in this thread already.

People need to be aware that although they are joining a list at number 3000 there is really 3000 bookings each containing a ticket or more.

Bluetonic i think antrim green is ****ed about people who were on the list for say 2 tickets and they asked for four and got four. I was on the list for two asked for two and got two. But from memory the box in which you request the number was blank - you could put whatever number you wanted. It is understandable. Nobody is complaining if you asked for X tickets years ago you should get X tickets which is why i would be curious to see how many waiting listers got tickets and how many tickets were there.

Bluetonic

14/02/2007, 4:00 PM

Nobody is complaining if you asked for X tickets years ago you should get X tickets which is why i would be curious to see how many waiting listers got tickets and how many tickets were there.

For the record I'm currently in the 1500s approx on the waiting list for three tickets.

I applied for three tickets for the lower cusack/hogan and have been invoiced for three cusack lower tickets.

I still wouldn't be surprised if something goes wrong along the way.

Newryrep

14/02/2007, 4:07 PM

I dont think anybody will rest easy untill the tickets are in our hand:D

Superhoops

14/02/2007, 4:23 PM

WexDec

14/02/2007, 4:48 PM

I dont think anybody will rest easy untill the tickets are in our hand:D

.....and even then could be double booked or have a seat that is theoretically in on the steps.........again !

WexDec

14/02/2007, 6:41 PM

He did do an item briefly about the distribution of rugby tickets for Croke Park as i think one of the girls in his office had problems.

I remember that and in fairness to him he held back no punches as per usual. I think he would have a field day with this to be honest if provide him with cold facts like those given not the FAI are a load b*stards. If he brings it up you can be sure a few BB waiters will be ringing in and the scale of it will become obvious. A favourite recurring theme with him is why support for domestic football isn't as high as it could be and he'll love this to show yet more disloyalty to loyal, patient, supporters when the "big event" comes along.

Although I wouldn't name any names, not that we know any, I think quoting the fact that certainly up to 10 tickets per person were handed out, when fans on the list for just one gone nothing, would illustrate the point of fundamental unfairness.

Newryrep

15/02/2007, 7:45 AM

I was told in San Marino last week where I met some of their members in The Bounty, that the two main official supporters clubs, in Dublin and London, now have about 750 block bookings between them.

2 guys getting 375 tickets each ?

The point i was making about the block booking being prefaced by a club means that the names recieveing the tickets would be for admin purposes only. The club would still recieve X amount of tickets. but they would be allocated to X/2 names.

If Patrick Murphy a club member recieving 2 No club BB tickets dies or leaves the club advise FAI of the new name/adress to recieve their club allocation of 2 tickets.

I am trying to eliminate any legit reason why a ticket allocated to Mr Murphy via club BB could end up in the black market.

Newryrep

15/02/2007, 7:55 AM

I remember that and in fairness to him he held back no punches as per usual. I think he would have a field day with this to be honest if provide him with cold facts like those given not the FAI are a load b*stards. If he brings it up you can be sure a few BB waiters will be ringing in and the scale of it will become obvious. A favourite recurring theme with him is why support for domestic football isn't as high as it could be and he'll love this to show yet more disloyalty to loyal, patient, supporters when the "big event" comes along.

WexDec i think the questions are valid enough and factually correct based on the experiences on this thread. The only query would be the exact numbers which are a guestimate. As long as the old line 'you cant please everybody all the time isnt trotted out or well there are X amount of BB's and Y amount of waiting listers happy with the way we have done it'

Bluetonic

15/02/2007, 7:58 AM

2 guys getting 375 tickets each ?

The point i was making about the block booking being prefaced by a club means that the names recieveing the tickets would be for admin purposes only. The club would still recieve X amount of tickets. but they would be allocated to X/2 names.

If Patrick Murphy a club member recieving 2 No club BB tickets dies or leaves the club advise FAI of the new name/adress to recieve their club allocation of 2 tickets.

I am trying to eliminate any legit reason why a ticket allocated to Mr Murphy via club BB could end up in the black market.

Clearly in a large supporters club the number of members and the number who are available to go to each game are different, and as a result the people whom the tickets are allocated to are not static and may not be decided until hours before a match.

eighties mullet

15/02/2007, 8:04 AM

BTW anyone on waiting list not get their letter this week yet??

I havent got anything back yet, it must be an anti-galway thing :mad:

Newryrep

15/02/2007, 8:25 AM

Clearly in a large supporters club the number of members and the number who are available to go to each game are different, and as a result the people whom the tickets are allocated to are not static and may not be decided until hours before a match.

I am not a member of a club so i am guessing at what happens but if demand exceeds supply I assume either lots are drawn or some sort of loyality scheme is in place - however spares are unlikely to be an issue in this instance.

If however a club BB ticket (or indeed any other ticket) ends up on the black market, the club should lose that named allocation of tickets (2 tickets). They can conduct their own internal enquiry and take appropriateaction as to which of their members sold/passed on the ticket but the clubs allocation is reduced by 2 No in the future.

I really dont see a flaw in it but i am sure somebody will. to summarise

Non club BB 1 person responsible for 2 tickets - if tickets found on blackmarket he loses his tickets

Club BB - 1 person responsible for 2 tickets (admin purposes only) - if tickets found on blackmarket, club loses 2 No in its ticket allocation

eighties mullet

15/02/2007, 8:28 AM

Did the people on thew Waiting list who did not get tickets take them for all the friendlies?

yes i bought tickets for all the friendlies!! and have now been shafted by the fai

Bluetonic

15/02/2007, 8:36 AM

Non club BB 1 person responsible for 2 tickets - if tickets found on blackmarket he loses his tickets

Club BB - 1 person responsible for 2 tickets (admin purposes only) - if tickets found on blackmarket, club loses 2 No in its ticket allocation

Just to note the FAI couldn't care less about tickets being on the black market, nor could people who buy them, so who's going to report the misuse?

Newryrep

15/02/2007, 8:48 AM

You would think that they could do with some good PR given their current popularity.

Do they have any body in PR ?

I think fans would report touts/tickets if they thought somthing would be done about it. since they know nothing will be done they dont report it. chicken and egg really.

Am i just killing time to avoid having to do some work ?

paul_oshea

15/02/2007, 8:56 AM

Point 2, you obviously got your tickets and are a very happy bunny, but for those who joined a queue which had people in front with extra spaces held for their mates to jump in at anytime. The system is a failure, they should given everyone on the waiting list their 1st requested ticket, then went back to the start and gave out all those in a queue that wanted another 1 and so on until the ticket allocation run out. Now that is fair anything other than this is completley wrong

The problem is that would have taken ages, I beleive they sorted through all letters ONCE instead of going back over them again and thats why things have happened the way they have. as soon as a section was sold out, anybody still on the list looking for that area got overlooked....makes most sense, think about it lads.

antrimgreen

15/02/2007, 8:59 AM

I havent got anything back yet, it must be an anti-galway thing :mad:

Sorry to hear that eighties mullet, there are many off us in the same boat, who feel completley fcuked off by the FAI ticket allocation system (Blue Tonic aside he loves the current system).

I have a newspaper currently chasing the FAI for an explaination to the unfair allocation of tickets, and as they refuse to answer summarises for me that they even know themselves that they have made a fcuk up.

theleprechaun

15/02/2007, 9:18 AM

yes i bought tickets for all the friendlies!! and have now been shafted by the fai

i didn't get offered tickets for friendlies even though i was on the waiting list but i got them for croker

Bluetonic

15/02/2007, 9:23 AM

Sorry to hear that eighties mullet, there are many off us in the same boat, who feel completley fcuked off by the FAI ticket allocation system (Blue Tonic aside he loves the current system).

Really, talk about issues.

Just point out to me where I said I love the way the tickets were allocated?

antrimgreen

15/02/2007, 10:17 AM

There is no need to change anything, just implement the system that is in place already.

Block Bookers as per normal amount
Waiting list in order as per original amount request
General sale.

Simple as.

Quote -

The system that is in place at present works when implement correctly, it also should suit the FAI as there is a lot less administration. When implemented correctly I fully support it as a fan, and would not like to see a one ticket system introduced. Quote

Just a few examples, ok so you didnt actually use the words love but you might as well have.

Bluetonic

15/02/2007, 10:29 AM

ok so you didnt actually use the words love but you might as well have.

Thanks for clearing that up, nothing worse than misrepresentation.

Would you have problems following system by the way?

Block Bookers as per normal amount
Waiting list in order as per original amount request
General sale.

antrimgreen

15/02/2007, 11:27 AM

Bluetonic

15/02/2007, 11:56 AM

Do you think this would be a fair system?

:D

No, not currently as they've already taken ticket numbers off current waiting listers.

It would only work if they expanded the list to include all the tickets under each booking and issued everyone with a new waiting list number so that there was a one to one relationship, ticket to block booking number. In this case I would agree with it but it still be basically the same system.

KK77

15/02/2007, 12:01 PM

Long Long shot i know but would anyone be interested in a swap Wales ticket for (and here's the catch) for Liverpool V Barce ticket second leg March 6th at Anfield?? PM me or post reply on this thread if interested.

Newryrep

15/02/2007, 12:06 PM

Block Bookers normal amount, i am completely happy with that...

Waiting list, i believe they should give each waiting list member 1 ticket then, go back to the start and give out 2 to those who requested 2 and so on until they run out of the tickets that have been allocated for the waiting list.

General Sale

Do you think this would be a fair system?

Sorry Antrimgreen i dont think it is fair.for the following reason

1 person wanting 2 tickets (him and his brother) on waiting list 4 years

another person joins waiting list last week at No 5000

5000 tickets available everybody on the waiting list gets offered a ticket - his brother doesnt get one but the guy who joined last week does

a fair system is

Block Bookers as per normal amount
Waiting list in order as per original amount request (if within reason say 4 or 6 max)
Block bookers additional tickets if desired
General sale.

citizenerased

15/02/2007, 12:13 PM

i agree i have been on the waiting list for 4 years, and to suggest someone who joined a week or even a month ago, get the same treatment is ridiculous...

Bluetonic

15/02/2007, 12:18 PM

i agree i have been on the waiting list for 4 years, and to suggest someone who joined a week or even a month ago, get the same treatment is ridiculous...

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this, I was beginning to doubt myself there for a minute.

Istabraq

15/02/2007, 12:24 PM

Just to get a rough idea, did anybody not take up their allocation. Its a long shot, but in the response from the fai, I was told that those tickets not accepted would then be offered to the waiting list or lottery list whatever you want to call it. Ive been to every home game bar 2 and several away games in the last 8 years and it is really ****ing me off that some were allocated 10 tickets, probabley for their birds and their mates birds. Wait and see the crowd at croker. The atmos will prob be ****e due to all the suits and women who have no interest.
I couldnt help notice at the rugger game the amount of squares and women when the cameras went ot the crowd. The fai dont give a **** once they get their shillins, but thats ultimately what is wrong with the organisation. They should care, and they should try and make it a deafening fortress!

citizenerased

15/02/2007, 12:31 PM

ok if people are gettin 10, then i agree that its ******xx..i think a max of 4 per person, only requested 2 myself. The rugarr ccrowd are usually crap anyway, despite all the crap there were only pockets of atmosphere on sunday, id say the atmosphere will be savage for the footie..

WexDec

15/02/2007, 12:58 PM

WexDec

15/02/2007, 1:02 PM

i didn't get offered tickets for friendlies even though i was on the waiting list but i got them for croker

As established before only approx the first 1,800 on waiting list got offered friendly tickets. Possibly 80's mullet was below that threshold (which would make him the highest waiting lister to be shafted on this thread) or got them through other means like most people after that number (usually terraces)

citizenerased

15/02/2007, 1:02 PM

are you looking for a liverpool barca ticket, or have one?

WexDec

15/02/2007, 1:33 PM

The problem is that would have taken ages, I beleive they sorted through all letters ONCE instead of going back over them again and thats why things have happened the way they have. as soon as a section was sold out, anybody still on the list looking for that area got overlooked....makes most sense, think about it lads.

No that makes balls all sense and we all have thought about it. An area fills up so someone high on a waiting list gets shafted. What kind of sensible system is that. People are calling it a lottery list instead of a waiting list but even with that if you came up in the lottory for a pair of CL / WC final tickets but the area you choose is full you wouldn't be throw in the bin and onto the next application. Thats for a random lottery not even for people being process first come first served.

The main thing is that the WLers never expected to be offered extras. If the FAI had avoided that complication they'd have known the exact number of WL requests which I reckon would be probably below 10k (all my lot are down for 1 each). They could allocate them to any stand they wished, even the fecking Hill might've held us all if most were single requests. Give the BBs a choice of seats and option of extras, since they're the incumbants, except for the WL "section". WL are happy getting all they ever had asked/hoped for anyway, BB are happy as should get their extras and FAI can sell remaining seats to WLers or general sale. It doesn't really matter as whoever "deserved" their tickets would've got them and it'd sell out anyway. In terms of admin they never have to ask WL where they want seats or how many they want and process the responses. They just say here's the seats you originally requested, take it or leave it.

KK77

15/02/2007, 1:38 PM

are you looking for a liverpool barca ticket, or have one?

Looking for one. Willing to swap Wales or Slovakia ticket for one? You got one to swap?

WexDec

15/02/2007, 1:43 PM

Was just thinking doesn't the away allocation seem very big now considering Ireland's own fans who have been waiting have lost out. Shouldn't have been a problem with the size of the home capacity but still.

Bluetonic

15/02/2007, 1:49 PM

Was just thinking doesn't the away allocation seem very big now considering Ireland's own fans who have been waiting have lost out.

You've lost me now.....

Away allocation is 10% of the home capacity as per UEFA rules - 6,700 approx.

WexDec

15/02/2007, 1:53 PM

Just to get a rough idea, did anybody not take up their allocation. Its a long shot, but in the response from the fai, I was told that those tickets not accepted would then be offered to the waiting list or lottery list whatever you want to call it.

I think when you see the total invoiced when multiply tickets price by number requested by matches it does look quite big and then think its only halfway through the 4 matches that some people would've been too strapped or got nobbled by their wife/gf or got the letter so late they presumed they missed the deadline or are on holidays (as with a mate of mine). Some should come back, its not as solid as the BB list.

The BIG question is if returns come up how are they going to distribute them. The same as before ? Start with the first person not offered tickets on the WL. If they have asked for 50e tickets and there's ones available then sorted. If only 70e left skip everybody AGAIN that wanted 50e. Also will they still allocate the extras requested probably denying people further down the list. Potentially somebody could still get 10 tickets !!! The mind boggles but there's nothing to indicate they'll change their "system"

Istabraq I would let them know you'll take anything if your original request was 50e, singles or whatever. I presuming they won't deny an existing request just because the requested seats couldn't be grouped.

WexDec

15/02/2007, 1:54 PM

You've lost me now.....

Away allocation is 10% of the home capacity as per UEFA rules - 6,700 approx.

Sorry you're right the lower club level allocations threw me off.

antrimgreen

15/02/2007, 2:10 PM

Sorry Antrimgreen i dont think it is fair.for the following reason

1 person wanting 2 tickets (him and his brother) on waiting list 4 years

another person joins waiting list last week at No 5000

5000 tickets available everybody on the waiting list gets offered a ticket - his brother doesnt get one but the guy who joined last week does

a fair system is

Block Bookers as per normal amount
Waiting list in order as per original amount request (if within reason say 4 or 6 max)
Block bookers additional tickets if desired
General sale.

How many tickets were allocated for the waiting list?? If it was say 10k if so then you would have got your 2 tickets, i know what you are saying, but applying for 10 tickets (for the whole family is taking the p1ss). Application request should have been 4 max per person.

Anyway i have put enough energy and time into this and the more energy and time i put in the angier i get.

Good luck to all those fans who got tickets for Croke hope it is a great game and a great performance and we start the Croke campaign with a win, the deed has been done i have missed out (tough sh1t for me).

casso36

15/02/2007, 2:33 PM

Any where you apply for tickets the maximum is usually 4 tickets per transaction, so why the **** are people getting 10???.

Although, there lucky to sell ticket at all after last weks debacle!!!

paul_oshea

15/02/2007, 2:38 PM

WexDec, im not saying it makes sense, i mean does it make sense what i was saying? I can see why they did it if they have to sort through 1000's of applications. they dont want to have to go through everyone over and over.....from a time point of view i can see where htey are coming from, BUT I DO NOT AGREE WITH IT!
RafaB, what are ye like....you would give up a ticket for an ireland match for liverfluke?
hmmm me thinks you are using a SPARE ticket you have as barter for a liverpool match.....if not you are giving up yer own one, which is even worse again. Do you really think if either of those fit the case, that you should be saying it on this thread which could be aptly renamed "those on the waiting list that didnt get their tickets"....