Bohs v Shels

[Peadar]

hold on a minute we're still docked the three pts. even if we beat them again thats a load of Ballacks

It's not very clear but it would seem that you get deducted 3 points, and now have a chance to gain 3 points from the replay.
It would essentially mean that you would be back to square one.
Could have been worse, as that would be like you'd simply lost the game in the first place but Shels failed to gain from it.

[higgins]

Im disgusted... :mad:

The FAI had to go with the only decision that made no sense! They have tried to even up the Dublin City and Hargan cases by offering Ollie a replay and with the interest of shels in mind he probably said yes.

This is one of the worst decisions ever in my time following the eircom League.

How can this be explained????

The best part is that Bohs now have a 2nd chance to win points in a game in which they broke the rules .... I don't know if I should laugh or cry :(

Have they thought about this?
What if Bohs were going for the league too or trying to avoid relegation!

Who gets the home gate?
Is McGuinness able to play in this?

What a complete joke
Im shocked at this decision, I really am... Just about lost the last bit of faith I had in the FAI or EL.

Bohs and Shels should refuse to play the game. I know Ollie won't as he is interested in winning the league but the right thing to do would be to not turn up for the fixture.

[bohs til i die]

Basically they should have just awarded Shels a 3-0 win. Our squad is down to the bare bones at this stage.

In the interests of fair play, we should now appeal to have our game with Drogheda re-played. Drogheda only had to get the ball into our 6 yard area to be awarded a goal. Fair play and all that.

We could have about 40 home gates a year.

[micls]

Bohs and Shels should refuse to play the game. I know Ollie won't as he is interested in winning the league but the right thing to do would be to not turn up for the fixture.

Ollie asked for a replay from the start. The Fai gave him what he wanted...he's hardly gonna say actually no thanks. That would take caring about the state our league is in and unfortunately Ollie doesnt

[drummerboy]

Seems to me that Ollie really needs that prize money urgently. Delaney obviously needs Ollie on his side.

[Dodge]

So now Bohs are deducted 3 points for a game that never existed?

[wws]

Ollie asked for a replay from the start. The Fai gave him what he wanted...he's hardly gonna say actually no thanks. That would take caring about the state our league is in and unfortunately Ollie doesnt


its win the league (and qualify for the cl) or bust for Ollie
the way his club is geared financially he simply cant refuse any avenue or loophole in pursuit of it - even than it wont cover their operating costs and losses but there aint no way he's gonna take a "good of the league" view of events

he's chasing his tail tbh but it has to end sometime as the returns just arent there as has been conclusively proven over the last few seasons

[Kingdom]

Seems to me that Ollie really needs that prize money urgently. Delaney obviously needs Ollie on his side.

That was the first thing I thought of. This is two fold. The extra cash from winning the league, plus the extra cash from getting further in the Champions League (they'd be seeded in the 1st round and have as good a chance in the 2nd round as they did last time).

[micls]

So now Bohs are deducted 3 points for a game that never existed?

And if shels win bohs will be 3 points worse off than they were before this decision wont they??

If so time for bohs to appeal

[Paraic]

Think this is the table based on the original game being deleted from the record. I deleted the original result and still dropped the 3 points from Bohs

What's the odds that Ollie will appeal and look for the 3-0 result without having to go through the pain of a replay?


1 Shelbourne 25 16 7 3 53 21 55 32
2 Derry City 25 15 7 3 42 17 52 25
3 Drogheda United 26 13 9 4 28 18 48 10
4 Cork City 26 12 11 3 31 13 47 18
5 Sligo Rovers 26 11 6 9 30 35 39 -5
6 St. Patricks Athletic 27 9 9 9 32 27 36 5
7 UCD 28 7 11 10 22 25 32 -3
8 Longford Town 27 7 9 11 19 24 30 -5
9 Bohemians 26 8 4 14 25 27 25 -2
10 Bray Wanderers 27 3 5 19 20 62 14 -42
11 Waterford United 27 2 6 19 19 52 12 -33

[lofty9]

Any clubs need a good lawyer? Contact Derry City:D

[Conor H]

This decision really shows how spineless the FAI are.I'd be fairly pessimistic now about GUFC getting inot the elite simply because i don't think the FAI have the balls to implement what they've said they will.(if they do we'll be ok IMO).In fear of reprecussions and general whining,threats of court proceedings etc they'll make life easy for themselves and promote Rovers while leaving the other 11 there.

[higgins]

Ollie asked for a replay from the start. The Fai gave him what he wanted...he's hardly gonna say actually no thanks. That would take caring about the state our league is in and unfortunately Ollie doesnt

Its not up to the FAI to give Ollie what he wants...

Shelbourne appealed the original decision and I agreed with that as I dont think you should be punished when the other team plays a suspended player. I also think the offending team deserve more punishment than just 3 point deduction, which they could gain anyway by winning.

Two points,

1 There has to be some incentive for the clubs NOT to **** up and play suspended players like Bohs did. Docking them 3 points is not punishment! Clubs have the power to feck up other clubs seasons knowing too well they wont be harmed. That can't be allowed to happen. However, the decision today seems to award Bohs with another chance!

2 The points should go to the opposing team should you field a suspended player. No messing around, 3 points and a 2-0 or 3-0 win. Its the only way around the mess and would stop teams from fielding suspended players.

If Delaney was in Ollie pocket as people suggest then why not award the 3 points to shels as a lot of people agree should happen! To their credit, even the Bohs fans can see that a 3 point deduction from the club who won the game is meaningless. The best agrument against giving the 3 points is that its not happened in other cases to date but I think nearly everyone is in agreement that taking 3 points from Bohs is pointless!

The FAI have managed to make the decision that makes no sense. all the papers and radio and tv will be full of reports of what a joke it is. When the game is played we will get more bad press and then if Shels win the league , even more bad press.

They have made the worst decision possible and I dont agree with it.

Some form of a protest would be nice.

**** the Eircom League

[OneRedArmy]

Its unfortunate that Bohs no longer need the money as in the spirit of this ridiculous decision, they could auction places in the squad for the replayed game and field a completely ineligible team of punters who fancied a kick at Shels without any fear of reprecussions (apart from another replay)

In the off-chance the money is still attractive, I'll pay 200 euro and I'd like to play centre mid.

Thanks.

[Ronnie]

Now lets get this straight. Bohs get deducted 3 points as the played a suspened player. Bohs get deducted the 3 points they won on the pitch as well? So how many points do Bohs have?
Derry played with Sean Hargan suspeneded although they didn't know - do they have to play the match again? Does the club they played have the right to demand a replay?
Does the match go down as match abandoned and are Shels entitled to 50% of the gate of the refixed game.
If a player picked up a yellow card in the first game and has served a suspension in another game accordingly should that match be refixed.
??????????????????????????????

[Dodge]

€250 and I'll play anywhere but in goal. If Shels get one cent from this game, I'm never ever ever going to another game

[wws]

Its unfortunate that Bohs no longer need the money as in the spirit of this ridiculous decision, they could auction places in the squad for the replayed game and field a completely ineligible team of punters who fancied a kick at Shels without any fear of reprecussions (apart from another replay)

In the off-chance the money is still attractive, I'll pay 200 euro and I'd like to play centre mid.

Thanks.


McGuinness may have been suspended - but he was a fully registered and insured player in the Eircom League - I doubt Bohemian are gonna auction off places to fans and register and insure them now are they?!?!

[bohs til i die]

**** the Eircom League


what do you mean by this?

[Schumi]

Bohs get deducted 3 points as the played a suspened player. Bohs get deducted the 3 points they won on the pitch as well? So how many points do Bohs have?I think the table at the top of this page is correct.

[wws]

€250 and I'll play anywhere but in goal. If Shels get one cent from this game, I'm never ever ever going to another game

just cos u cant make the final :D

fck the league

it was a joke when we won it
whos laughing at the rubber medals now?

[OneRedArmy]

McGuinness may have been suspended - but he was a fully registered and insured player in the Eircom League - I doubt Bohemian are gonna auction off places to fans and register and insure them now are they?!?!Spoill the buzz why dont'chya!

[Peadar]

I doubt Bohemian are gonna auction off places to fans and register and insure them now are they?!?!

No, not even Pat's would play unregistered players. :D

[bohs til i die]

McGuinness may have been suspended - but he was a fully registered and insured player in the Eircom League - I doubt Bohemian are gonna auction off places to fans and register and insure them now are they?!?!

you dont have to play eligible players.

We could allow 16 fans make up the match day squad, kill the shels team, then play our registered players in the replay [precendet is a replay] but Shels wont have any fit players.

Bohs then win the game and the -6 points that go with it and Shels lose the title.

[wws]

No, not even Pat's would play unregistered players. :D


all we ever asked for was that the games be replayed Peadar!

[Peadar]

all we ever asked for was that the games be replayed Peadar!

I remember it well, wws. :D

[micls]

Not a bad idea from HIggins if a big group gathered...of all EL fans.

We won't let you f*ck with our league type of banners
http://forum.shelbournefc.ie/chat/viewtopic.php?t=6976&highlight=

[higgins]

what do you mean by this?

The whole sorry thing is one big mess....

You spend your time and energy going to games, standing in sh!t up and down the country, following a football league by ****ing aertel, listening to radio 1 on lw/mw.

Then after all that crap they make a decision based on nothing. they might have been the FAI but the Eircom League is now their product and as a product it ****ing sucks!

Whats the point starting off next season thinking we all play by the rules if they can make it up as they go?

Why do we bother....

[Dodge]

You do realise who's fault this is Higgins? Don't you?

[micls]

The Lets get Delaney out campaign should seriously start now.

The last 2 league games maybe if at every ground there was a range of banners/chants showing how p*ssed off we are that they are screwing with our league it might get noticed. Some of the games are on tele and could get good coverage out of it.

Realistically the clubs wont do anything about it id say...they wont risk it as many run on a financial tightrope as it is so its up to the fans

[stickyjoe]

Yea, its the leagues fault.

They should have either stood over their original decision or else awarded the UEFA 3-0 rule but they done neither....they ballsed out of it as usual.

As for Oily, hes doing what Derry and Rovers and many more clubs will do and thats appeal with solicitors, lawyers etc. because the rules of the league are a joke. Rip up the league book and use UEFAs rules, it should be as simple as that for next season.

The whole league is an even bigger joke now.

The happiest out of all this are the schooligans, they`ll have a field day with 2 Bohs Shels games in a week :rolleyes:

[wws]

Wont somebody please think of the schooligans!

[harps1954]

An Eircom League Media Statement issued a while ago.


Media Statement

Following the decision of the FAI Appeal Board in relation to the Bohemians v Shelbourne fixture, eircom League Chairman Paddy McCaul has convened a meeting of the Board of Control for this Friday, November 3rd to consider the decision.

No further statement will be made at this time.

-o-

Below and attached is an updated Premier Division table reflecting the decision. Also attached is an updated Premier Division goalscorers list reflecting same.

-o-

PREMIER DIVISION LEAGUE TABLE, November 1st

P W D L F A PTS
Shelbourne 25 16 7 2 53 21 55
Derry City 25 15 7 3 42 17 52
Drogheda United 26 13 9 4 28 18 48
Cork City 26 12 11 3 31 13 47
Sligo Rovers 26 11 6 9 30 35 39
St. Patrick's Athletic 27 9 9 9 32 27 36
U.C.D. 28 7 11 10 22 25 32
Longford Town 27 7 9 11 19 24 30
*Bohemians 26 8 4 14 25 27 25
Bray Wanderers 27 3 5 19 20 62 14
Waterford United 27 2 6 19 19 52 12

*Denotes deducted three points for fielding a suspended player.

As it was the League's decision that the FAI overturned, it is only the eircom League that can now seek arbitrition. So, are we going to have a situation where the eircom League pays €5,000 to the FAI to take the situation to arbitrition. If so, we then face a situation where we will have three officials of the eircom League sitting at a table with three officials of the FAI and an independent arbitrator to reach a decision. What if the arbitrator rules in favour of the eircom League - as the arbitrator did in the Shamrock Rovers case. The plot thickens . . . . .

[Ronnie]

So does it now go to the EL Mgt Comm to decide to appeal? All 21 clubs or just a subcommittee. Do clubs with a vested interest leave the room?
So is this why we'd had record fines all year. Anyone have a league table fo the most fined club this season?

[Pauro 76]

what an absolute joke. How do you explain that to the barstoolers. they'll have a field day. :mad:

[OneRedArmy]

So who makes the decision, is it the Judean People's Football Association or the Football Association of Judean People?

Truly this is an Irish mess. I predict a tribunal within 3 months.

[seand]

I've just had a brilliant idea... why don't Bohs deliberately play an ineligible player in the replay.... the precedent is there now that 'in the interest of Fair Play' the replay would have to be replayed.
Bohs could then deliberately play an ineligible player, or hey, an ineligible squad, in the replay of the replay. Even if they lose 12-0, the precedent is there that there should be a replay (of the replay of the replay). Bohs could keep doing this, until Shels get bored and start sending their under-12s.... then in the 43rd replay Bohs could sneak out their first team, beat Shels, and fook them up.

Hey, its as logical as anything that's come from the FAI.

[Gareth]

Its a terrible mess. Its so very disappointing. Common sense seems to go out the window regarding the league. Its like they have a top-hat with a whole lot of crazy in it and every few weeks the management draws something out of it and runs with it. I'd love a copy of the rulebook.

[Peadar]

Wont somebody please think of the schooligans!

The FAI had their interest at heart when they ruled that they should get another go off the BeBohs. Hope the Herald have their best man on the case.

[DvB]

I have one simple question at this stage, how low do we have to go before this league gets its house in order?

I have to say irrelevant of whomever you support its clear that this decision is morally wrong, if thsi is the basis of future decisions under the jurisdiction of the FAI i genuinely cant see how this league can progress beyond being the butt of the general publics jokes.

A very sad day for Irish football IMO.

[lofty9]

I'd love a copy of the rulebook.


knock yourself out

http://www.foot.ie/showthread.php?t=44599

[Louth4sam]

It's time for the progressive clubs to seriously think about a breakaway league. This current mess cannot continue. Rovers, Bohs, Galway, Derry, Cork, Sligo, Harps and a few others have their houses in order. The Dundalks, Limericks, Longfords and Shels of this world can carry on as they are and the rest of us can start to clean up our game.



KOH

This is the same rovers who were bankrupt a couple of years ago and dont even have a home ground?? If they GAA get their way you wont either. What ya gonna do then??

[higgins]

You do realise who's fault this is Higgins? Don't you?

The people making the decision dont have a pair of balls between them that the reason why we have decision like today.

Its up to Shels/Ollie and every other club in the country to go plead their case. Shels had every right to appeal, which they did, most other clubs would have done the same thing.

The decision makers should have made the decision based on what was the correct thing to do for the league and not what evens things up for previous **** ups...

The league need to get serious, quickly!

The ad hoc decisions are becomming very annoying. They should have ruled in favour of Shels and 3 points in my opinion, or else increase the punishment for Bohs. Last thing I expected them to do was go down the replay route....

It justs proves they couldnt make a decision and stand by it.
They should be shot

[holidaysong]

Joke decision. Dundalk FC don't have as much to gain from replaying our match with Rovers (the original one was a draw) so I doubt we will be seeking one like Shels did. However, if we finish behind Rovers by 1 or 2 points then we might as well look to replay the game (we would have to get it "in the interest of fairness" of course) and try and win it, therefore leapfrogging them. We would have nothing to lose.

[Dodge]

Its is 100% down to the clubs. The clusb run the league and the league's a mess. As are most clubs.

[harps1954]

knock yourself out

http://www.foot.ie/showthread.php?t=44599

That's the FAI rulebook. The eircom League rulebook is a different kettle of fish all together.

What people tend to forget is that the eircom League and the FAI are two seperate bodies. Next season the FAI will be ruling the eircom League and will as such be one body.

The eircom League is the League clubs. It is the league clubs who draw up the rulebook and change it, etc. The FAI have no say in the contents of the eircom League rulebook.

The eircom League clubs have only themselves to blame for a lot of the loopholes that are contained in the rulebook.

However, I've seen a copy of the eircom League rulebook, and there is nowhere in it that states a game should be replayed if an opposing team plays an illegal player. The only rule states that the club that plays an illegal player will have three points deducted. This was the punishement that the eircom league gave Bohemians. The reason for the rest of the ****e we are in today is down to Ollie Byrne, Shelbourne FC and the FAI. The League dished out the punishment weeks ago according to their rulebook.

Just think back a few years ago. Waterford United beat Dublin City and played an illegal player. Waterford were deducted three points but Dublin City wanted the game replayed. However, at that stage, the FAI didn't grant Dublin City their wish. Dublin City missed out in finishing in third place in the First Division to Finn Harps by two points. Because of their protest, appeals etc. the play-off between Finn Harps and Longford Town was delayed by almost three weeks. This is the exact same situation as to the one with Shels, but the FAI today made a completely different ruling - no consistency.

Until the eircom League rulebook states that a game is replayed because a team plays an illegal player, the decision today is totally wrong and goes against what the rulebook says. Why have a rulebook (however bad it is) if people don't obey it.

[lofty9]

To highlight the idiocy of the FAI and the Eircom League what about the fans boycotting The CArlsberg FAI Cup Final in December? That would really embarrass Delaney and put his position in jeopardy.

Sincere apologies to the players of Pats and Derry but something drastic has to be done to remove these idiots from offfice.

[Block G Raptor]

So who makes the decision, is it the Judean People's Football Association or the Football Association of Judean People?

Truly this is an Irish mess. I predict a tribunal within 3 months.

Thats It Right There " Post of the Generation " absolutely No Contest:D :D :D

[wws]

To highlight the idiocy of the FAI and the Eircom League what about the fans boycotting The CArlsberg FAI Cup Final in December? That would really embarrass Delaney and put his position in jeopardy.

Sincere apologies to the players of Pats and Derry but something drastic has to be done to remove these idiots from offfice.


URE HAVIN A LAFF! :D

[Dodge]

Just so people know. The FAI made this decision. The league's decision was to dock Bohs 3 points.

Lets go to arbritration

[OneRedArmy]

Its is 100% down to the clubs. The clusb run the league and the league's a mess. As are most clubs.This is basically it.

The clubs accepted a fundamentally flawed and inaccurate rulebook for a number of seasons, with lessons not having been learned from previous debacles.

The FAI haven't covered themselves in glory by making an ad-hoc decision that smacks of appeasement rather than any sense of accuracy and correctness.

Ollie has been opportunitistic, maybe a bit more opportunistic than many other clubs would have been. But then again, thats no surprise as his track record in having a myopic obsession with whats best for Shels is well established and whilst morally questionable, is understandable.

The real loser here is us, the fans.

We pays our money, invest our time, energy and soul and we come out of it feeling like we've been cheated, duped and taken on a ride (and not a good one).

As far as I'm concerned lets skip straight to the Cup Final, give the League to Ollie right away (ideally in an empty, tumbelweed strewn Tolka with only a few onlooking rats watching) and get this damn season over and done with.