Biased Dublin Refs [Archive] - Page 4

higgins

26/09/2006, 3:50 PM

Good piece in the Times by Emmet M today. Bohs bits on this season's atrocious trilogy here (http://www.bohemian-fc.com/home/media/bohs_bear_brunt_of_reffing_atrocities/).

Are there video clips of the incidents?
Crazy decisions!!

aido1895

26/09/2006, 3:56 PM

..... it has been evident since day 1 that the referees have been biased towards Derry and perhaps also cork.
So referees are showing bias towards Derry, ah yes the truth is out :eek: :D

... the only good thing is that all those red cards have been televised and perhaps this will make the situation better.....

Agreed, hopefully now derry fans can see that Jennings was sent off for a dangerous tackle/serious foul play.

Schumi

26/09/2006, 3:56 PM

when ur team consistently gets dodgy decisions against them from refs from the same city as the opposing team, wot are we expected to think....aww just bad refereeing and incompetence!!! MY ARSE!!
But the problem is that lots of those decisions are correct, e.g. the three recent red cards were all good decisions and I'm far from a Shels fan, despite being from Dublin amazingly.

aido1895

26/09/2006, 3:59 PM

But the problem is that lots of those decisions are correct, e.g. the three recent red cards were all good decisions and I'm far from a Shels fan, despite being from Dublin amazingly.

Ssssssshhhhh, that doesnt matter to the poor downtrodden derry folk . Dont you know referees arent allowed send derry players off ;)

DmanDmythDledge

26/09/2006, 4:09 PM

And so if stokes is biased towards bohs, will it have any validity then.....BTW everyone goes on about how we get dodgy decisions in our favour i agree. But the point i'm making is that every team will get dodgy decisions from refs every now and then but when ur team consistently gets dodgy decisions against them from refs from the same city as the opposing team, wot are we expected to think....aww just bad refereeing and incompetence!!! MY ARSE!!
Seems to me that you know you've completely lost this argument and now have to deal with hypothetical analogies.

And yes you should think that it is bad refereeing and incompetence. In 10 years of going to EL games I've never seen a ref get every single decision right.

Incidentally, as I've seen very little of Derry this season, could you give an example of this, and I'll use your own words for this, "consistent dodgy decisions" against Derry, from a Dublin team, with a Dublin ref. And don't use the recent ones against Shels because almost everyone agrees that they were all red cards.

BohsFans

26/09/2006, 4:11 PM

but if he continues to favour bohs by giving them rediculous decisions

What are you talking about continues?

Go and have a look at the league cup semi against Shels and see if he ever started giving us favourable decisions! :mad: :rolleyes:

NY Hoop

26/09/2006, 4:14 PM

Anyone from the NLSA care to commment on the above ?

I posted a similar suggestion on the NLSA messageboard a couple of days ago, that has been looked at 5 times without response.

Do we have a fan body interested in raising fan issues, or does the NLSA aspire primarily to be a ticket agency for the FAI ? I think it's important we know....

Totally unfair and you know it. At the meetings the ticket issue takes about a minute. The rest is taken with EL matters.

The refereeing problems will be brought up at the next meeting.

Calm down its not a conspiracy against DCFC.

KOH

pete

26/09/2006, 4:34 PM

Referees are not biased, to be biased they would need to know what they doing.

Referees will always make decisions which some people will agree on & others will not. I think the difference this season is that some clear examples where decisions made to award goals that never crossed the line & also not ward goals that have crossed the line. These are basic rules of the game & not opinions on events on the pitch.

What is the solution? How do you make referees better when they are volunteers?

:confused:

passerrby

26/09/2006, 4:46 PM

very well paid volunteers

OneRedArmy

26/09/2006, 5:31 PM

Incidentally, as I've seen very little of Derry this season, could you give an example of this, and I'll use your own words for this, "consistent dodgy decisions" against Derry, from a Dublin team, with a Dublin ref. And don't use the recent ones against Shels because almost everyone agrees that they were all red cards."almost everyone" doesn't agree with the Derry sendings off, including some of the print and TV media.

Add in Heary's non-sending off for striking an opponent, 2 yards in front of the 4th official and this is where people get conspiracy theories from.

Emmet Malone's piece in the IT is balanced enough.

Almost every league in the world uses geographically neutral refs, why do we have to be different? (the composition of the panel is irrelevant, its not like they are head and shoulders above the rest)

And why the hell should it be a surprise that a bunch of Dubs (as most of the posters on this thread are) rubbish accusations of Dublin bias?

I'll say it again for the hard of hearing, there's an easy solution to this, APPOINT A NEUTRAL REF.

dcfcsteve

26/09/2006, 5:42 PM

Totally unfair and you know it. At the meetings the ticket issue takes about a minute. The rest is taken with EL matters.

The refereeing problems will be brought up at the next meeting.

Calm down its not a conspiracy against DCFC.

KOH

Hang on NY Hoop. How is the above comment from me unfair, and why do I know it ?

Bar the Ireland-tickets initiative, what has the NLSA done/achieved over the last year ? As a fan and as someone involved in the NLSA's conception (which shows I don't have any axe to grind against the body) I have every right to query its progress to-date. How can that be unfair ?? :confused: This isn't communist China, you know....

And what the fcuk has what I wrote got to do with Derry City ? I couldn't have been any clearer that referees are a league-wide problem that needs a league-wide response. Stop seeing ghosts where they don't exist.... :rolleyes:

John83

26/09/2006, 6:02 PM

I couldn't have been any clearer that referees are a league-wide problem that needs a league-wide response. Stop seeing ghosts where they don't exist.... :rolleyes:
Why would a fans' representative body comment on an issue that clearly has the fans divided? Who exactly would they be representing there?

Aaron

26/09/2006, 7:24 PM

Originally Posted by City till I Die
but if he continues to favour bohs by giving them rediculous decisions

What are you talking about continues?

Go and have a look at the league cup semi against Shels and see if he ever started giving us favourable decisions!

Got that wrong, "if he is biased towards bohs by giving them rediculous decisions". And also i have looked at the sending off again and if the ref sent him off for reckless tackle, then thats even worse refereeing (Scully mentioned the ref prob sent him off for reckless tackle). My argument is not because he sent 3 derry players off he is biased towards shels (i still dont think they were reds) but my argument is that if he sends 3 city players off and just happens to miss somethin he was 3 yards away from and continually gives the opposition rediculous decisions, some of which shud have gone the other way, then i only think he is being biased. You obviously wont agree but most derry fans think that there should be a neutral ref from a different county to the teams involved officiate the game. Lets put it this way, if a ref from derry continued to give derry dodgy decisions against dublin teams, wot are u liable to think, crap refereeing or biased???

aido1895

26/09/2006, 7:31 PM

Got that wrong, "if he is biased towards bohs by giving them rediculous decisions". And also i have looked at the sending off again and if the ref sent him off for reckless tackle, then thats even worse refereeing (Scully mentioned the ref prob sent him off for reckless tackle). ......

So you think that wasnt a reckless tackle :confused: Look at it again, Jayo is lucky his ankle wasnt broken - if the shels keeper comitted the same tackle you would want him to be sent off.
Nobody denies that derry have gotten crap decisions(what team hasnt ?) but the same referees that Derry complain about have also given them decisions in their favour does this count as pro derry bias ?

dcfcsteve

26/09/2006, 7:34 PM

Why would a fans' representative body comment on an issue that clearly has the fans divided? Who exactly would they be representing there?

So you're telling me that Eicom League fans are divided on the quality of referees in this country - some presumbaly thinking they're good, some thinking they're bad...?? :eek: :o

There is complete and utter unity amongst Eircom league fans that the standard of refeering in the league is woeful and needs addressing, and that viewpoint has been consistent for some time. That's what needs to be communicated by any body that wants/expects to represent the fans.....

Again I'll ask the question - if the NLSA doesn't exist to represent the fans on issues like this, what is its purpose...?

Aaron

26/09/2006, 7:38 PM

So you think that wasnt a reckless tackle Look at it again, Jayo is lucky his ankle wasnt broken - if the shels keeper comitted the same tackle you would want him to be sent off.
Nobody denies that derry have gotten crap decisions(what team hasnt ?) but the same referees that Derry complain about have also given them decisions in their favour does this count as pro derry bias ?

After watching it again i do agree it was a sending off. I only seen it the once before that and thought it wasnt then. I have also changed my mind on the Brennan sendin off, it was reckless. But David Forde's was never a sending off. As he came out he went in with his feet the ball came up off his ankle and hit is arm. It was unfortunate but wasnt a sending off. Wot galls most Derry fans is the decisions during games that are given against us. I just hope it is a spell of bad fortune but the more it goes on the more it will strengthen my argument.

aido1895

26/09/2006, 7:56 PM

^^^
Fair play to you for admitting that.
At the game I thought he was sent off for preventing a goal scoring oppourtunity which I thought was a harsh decision and I said as much to the lads I was at the game with, but after seeing the replay yesterday for the first time and again a few times today Im certain that the ref was right to send him off for dangerous play.

I wasnt able to make it to the cup final in the Brandywell and I havent seen highlights of the game so I cant comment on the sendings off up there.
Football fans are usually galled by the decisions given against our teams indeed there were a couple of decisions that should have gone Shels way in Tolka last Friday but they didnt. We dont scream bias on the referees part because we believe that it is incompetence , thats the nature of the game but we dont all start accusing the referees of bias :ball:

dcfcsteve

26/09/2006, 8:02 PM

Following Paul Sweeney's Indo article on Sunday, there's another article questioning the quality of Eircom league refs by Emmet Malone in the Irish Times today....

NY Hoop - the next NLSA meeting is 18th October. If a decision is made then to say something publically about refs, chances are it wouldn't be sorted and make Delaney/the papers until w/c 23rd October at earliest. That's a month away. Meanwhile, there is momentum in the press on this issue that may well have totally died down in a month's time. 'Strike while the iron is hot' and all that...

In the days of modern technology and instant communication, why does the NLSA need to wait 4 weeks to gather a handful of people physically togetehr in one room in one town in order to be able to discuss, let alone decide, whethr to do something about an issue that has been a major bug-bear of domestic Irish football fans for years ? We all criticise the Irish media for the little attention they give the league, but here we the fans ourselves are trailing weeks in their wake on such an issue.

bohs til i die

27/09/2006, 8:15 AM

As a matter of interest, how many Non Dublin referee's are there in the league

Alan Kelly and Anthony Buttimer are the only two I can think of.

passerrby

27/09/2006, 10:58 AM

this is a silly thread refs are not biased just poor

DmanDmythDledge

27/09/2006, 2:17 PM

"almost everyone" doesn't agree with the Derry sendings off, including some of the print and TV media.
I think you'll find you're wrong on that one.

My question about the consistent biased decisions still stands.

elliott06

29/09/2006, 1:46 PM

the refs in this league are bad however it is fair to say that soem are really good...kelly is one example. Clearly Dublin refs are biased(Minority cases but especially stokes) This has been going on for years but it is only now many peoples perceptions have changed because the decsions against Derry are costing them dearly, lik the previous match against Shels.

Derry is not even appreciated in the lague evident by RTE not broadcasting any of their europen adventure whcih they performed herociaclly however Shels and Cork was...if either of these teams performed as well as Derry and reached the first round proper I could assure you it would have been televised.

elliott06

29/09/2006, 1:49 PM

Many people do not realise the poor refering against Derry and im sure Stephen Kenny would have prviously dismissed it now but since he is experiencing this on a weekly basis he agrees. As im sure many of Dublin team fans would also. Hence his cooments aginst the officials after the shelbourne game