Biased Dublin Refs

[razor]

You've plenty more games left to win the league.
This incident is only a setback. Build a bridge, get over it!Boutros Boutros Peadar, I think your new role is having a pacifying effect on you. In moderation of course.:D

[Peadar]

In moderation of course.:D

Everything in moderation is good! ;)

I think we need to save our venom for when referees make outrageous decisions and wasting it on justifiable decisions, like in the two previous meetings between Shels and Derry, will decrease the credibility of our disapproval.

[Aaron]

Would a striker in possession of the ball with two defenders who CANNOT handle the ball to beat be considered a CLEAR GOALSCORING OPPORTUNITY?

In my opinion it is a clear goalscoring opportunity.

If a centre half fouls a striker who would then only have the goalkeeper to beat, would the centre half be considered to have prevented a CLEAR GOALSCORING OPPORTUNITY despite the fact the striker would still have to get the ball past an opposition player?

Yes he would, and a red card would be the result according to the rules.

So two defenders covering the AWOL goalkeeper is the same in my opinion as having a goalkeeper in position.


The striker doesnt have to be denied an open goal for it to be classed as a clear goal-scoring opportunity.


There is an oul ref in the LOI who is retired now and works at the tech in derry. He told me that if the ball was heading towards the corner and there are two defenders covering then its NOT a clear goalscoring oppertunity. Thats from an ex-pro ref. Another thing, he also told me (off subject) that the offside rule has never changed. He said the rule from the very start is that if a player who was between the goalkeeper and the last line of defence and touches the ball, he is offside, but if there are players standing in an offside position and someone from an onside position comes and collects the ball, it is onside. The offside players were not interfering with play so it cannot be given. This is to clear up the argument about the goal bohs got against waterford. As for the refs now, i now realise there are bad refs and certain bias towards certain teams. This clears any rant i made earlier!

[harpskid]

There is an oul ref in the LOI who is retired now and works at the tech in derry.

That's Derry bias :ball: ;)

[Schumi]

If anything, the very fact that they decided to become a referee would suggest that they dislike football and want to harm it.
:D It certainly looks like it.

[Peadar]

There is an oul ref in the LOI who is retired now and works at the tech in derry.

Thats from an ex-pro ref.

Now seriously, how can you expect any credibility when you have that in your post! :D

[Réiteoir]

My God - this thread is probably one of the worst for sheer stupidity and arseness around here for a long time - and that's saying something.

Straying into Libelous and Deformation of Character in some places - hope some of you (mainly City til I Die) have decent solicitors...


Anyway - time to address some points on here:


The rules state (among other criteria) that for a professional foul the player must be moving towards goal, so Derry were absolutely robbed on Friday.

Incorrect.

Couple of points:

the term "Professional Foul" has NEVER appeared in Law.
An Obvious Goalscoring Opportunity - players don't have to be going towards goal - they just have to have a chance to shoot at goal - look at it this way - if a player is forced wide and gets taken out in the area by the goalkeeper when all he has to do is go around him to get the shot off - but there are two defenders back covering on the goal line - you would send the keeper off. Some people on here seem to think that a couple of defenders back covering disqualifies the notion of a Goalscoring Opportunity - and by there logic - the keeper should be cautioned and allowed to remain on the field of play.ALL of the dismissals in the two Derry - Shels games were spot on within Law.

Forde came out with his hands up deliberately - handled the ball and stopped it going through for the attacking player to have a clear shot on goal - ergo - Obvious Goalscoring Opportunity.

The second red in the Final - reckless challenge - that if connected - may have broken the Shels player's legs.

As for the one missed by the referee in that incident - I have to say - I missed it myself in real time - only having seen the replay did I pick up the violent conduct. In this case - it's up to the FAI to retrospectively suspend the Shels player.

As for Jennings on Friday - again - he's denied an Obvious Goalscoring Opportunity (see my second bullet point above)


There is an oul ref in the LOI who is retired now and works at the tech in derry. He told me that if the ball was heading towards the corner and there are two defenders covering then its NOT a clear goalscoring oppertunity. Thats from an ex-pro ref. Another thing, he also told me (off subject) that the offside rule has never changed. He said the rule from the very start is that if a player who was between the goalkeeper and the last line of defence and touches the ball, he is offside, but if there are players standing in an offside position and someone from an onside position comes and collects the ball, it is onside. The offside players were not interfering with play so it cannot be given. This is to clear up the argument about the goal bohs got against waterford. As for the refs now, i now realise there are bad refs and certain bias towards certain teams. This clears any rant i made earlier!

Firstly on the "oul LOI ref" and his assertion on the obvious goalscoring opportunity - see my second bullet point above. If that's his interpretation of Law then I wouldn't be surprised if he was removed from the LOI not due to age, but due to not applying Law correctly / poor marks.

As for the assertion on the Offside Law never changing - it has changed and been clarified several times over the years - see here for full details: http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/corshamref/sub/offhist.htm



I'll raise you a referee ignoring his lines(wo)man's flag and then sending off two players for protesting!


Once again - three correct decisions - and some of the abuse being flung at the Assistant by the two Waterford players was horrendous...

[Sheridan]

Additionally, I'm 90% certain I saw Brennan booked for mouthing to the ref after Forde's dismissal and that he was, consequently, sent off for a second yellow (in which case the ref was remarkably lenient.)

[trevy]

There should be more non Dublin refs in the league and then these neutral refs could referee games between a Dublin club and a provincial club to avoid allegations of bias towards Dublin clubs by Dublin refs.Is there some law out there saying you have to be from Dublin or Cork to ref in the Eircom League:rolleyes: .
The refs are probably not biased just incompetent.

[Peadar]

Additionally, I'm 90% certain I saw Brennan booked for mouthing to the ref after Forde's dismissal and that he was, consequently, sent off for a second yellow (in which case the ref was remarkably lenient.)

Someone was definitely booked.
I remember thinking that he had only booked Forde and thought he was lucky to be still on the pitch.

[Krstic]

Why should it be so un-thinkable, in light of the recent high profile Italian scandal, that officials here in Ireland would be in no way open to or willing to accept money in order to give favourable decisions.

Are we so squeaky clean?
I think you only need to look at Irish politicians to realise that we live in quite a corrupt state, so why shouldn't it transcend to referees?

[Réiteoir]

Why should it be so un-thinkable, in light of the recent high profile Italian scandal, that officials here in Ireland would be in no way open to or willing to accept money in order to give favourable decisions.

Are we so squeaky clean?
I think you only need to look at Irish politicians to realise that we live in quite a corrupt state, so why shouldn't it transcend to referees?

Come off it ffs :rolleyes::mad:

[NY Hoop]

Stupid thread title. Most refs dont care what teams they officiate at. To say they have a Dublin bias is laughable. Talk to any EL fan and they will tell you that its incompetency across the board.

As for paying off officials do you think clubs here have money to even pay their own players let alone the refs?:eek:

KOH

[Krstic]

Come off it ffs :rolleyes:


So you know for certain there's no corruption in irish sport?

Happy days then, all's ok:rolleyes: :mad:

[EnDai]

Nobody knows anything for certain (are you certain there is?). But to start suggesting that either Dublin clubs, or EL/FAI officials acting in favour of Dublin clubs, are paying referees money is just absurd, and libelous. Besides, most clubs struggle to afford paying their own staff, nevermind the amounts of money required to bribe officials. There is not enough money in the league for such circumstances, IMO anyways.

Are you all ignoring the examples given of bad decisions against Dublin clubs? Do they go down as poor decisions, yet when they go against you the referee is clearly on the take?

[dublinred]

a few years ago in a cup match in tolka one of the Sligo rovers players rounded the Shams keeper and was brought down inside the box , the ref gave the penalty instantly but only booked the keeper who then saved the peno , the ref tryed to justify this decison afterwards by pointing out that the ball was not heading towards goal so therefore was a yellow card offence , I am nearly sure the ref was Dave McKeon.

[bohs til i die]

Why should it be so un-thinkable, in light of the recent high profile Italian scandal, that officials here in Ireland would be in no way open to or willing to accept money in order to give favourable decisions.

Are we so squeaky clean?
I think you only need to look at Irish politicians to realise that we live in quite a corrupt state, so why shouldn't it transcend to referees?

well it is one way of explaining the amount of favourable decisions Derry have received from match officials in the Brandywell since the mid 80's.

[Aaron]

players don't have to be going towards goal - they just have to have a chance to shoot at goal -

So if a player has a chance of shooting from 50 yards and is brought down he shud be sent off??

[Réiteoir]

OBVIOUS Goalscoring Opportunity

:rolleyes:

[football fan]

a few years ago in a cup match in tolka one of the Sligo rovers players rounded the Shams keeper and was brought down inside the box , the ref gave the penalty instantly but only booked the keeper who then saved the peno , the ref tryed to justify this decison afterwards by pointing out that the ball was not heading towards goal so therefore was a yellow card offence , I am nearly sure the ref was Dave McKeon.

John McDermott actually and again if you are having a go at a referee about a certain decision at least get the name of the referee right!!

[Aaron]

Look at it this way then if an ex pro ref says it wasnt a red and the SHELS coach said it wasnt a red, i wud tend to agree more with them because they prob know the game a lot more than us, I am not disputing it was a foul or max yellow card but the fact that there was two covering defenders means that there was cover there. Wot if it had been a defender who committed the foul but there was cover, wud u say it was a red? It happened in the prem a few years ago when the keeper came out but there was cover so the ref booked him, which was the right decision.

[bohs til i die]

Look at it this way then if an ex pro ref says it wasnt a red and the SHELS coach said it wasnt a red, i wud tend to agree more with them because they prob know the game a lot more than us, I am not disputing it was a foul or max yellow card but the fact that there was two covering defenders means that there was cover there. Wot if it had been a defender who committed the foul but there was cover, wud u say it was a red? It happened in the prem a few years ago when the keeper came out but there was cover so the ref booked him, which was the right decision.

but the rules are open to interpretation. A goal scoring opportunity is denied if a foul is committed to prevent the attacker from carrying on to get a shot on goal. Any shot on goal is an obvious goalscoring opportunity.

If a defender fouls an attacker who would have been clean through on goal, with only the keeper to beat, is that an Obvious Goalscoring Opportunity?

[Aaron]

I'll leave it at that now, i got my rant out, lets just go now and win the title and show nothing can stop us, not even rubbish refereeing

[Réiteoir]

Look at it this way then if an ex pro ref says it wasnt a red and the SHELS coach said it wasnt a red, i wud tend to agree more with them because they prob know the game a lot more than us, I am not disputing it was a foul or max yellow card but the fact that there was two covering defenders means that there was cover there. Wot if it had been a defender who committed the foul but there was cover, wud u say it was a red? It happened in the prem a few years ago when the keeper came out but there was cover so the ref booked him, which was the right decision.

Look - I've been refereeing full-time for the past 10 years and went to a pretty high level in England - I know Law pretty much inside out.

What btid and myself said concerning this holds true (concerning defenders covering and the definition of an Obvious Goalscoring Opportunity) - your interpretation - and that of the ex-pro LOI Ref (on another point - we have NEVER had Professional refs in this Association - purely down to the fact the FAI cannot afford to place them on Professional Contracts as they do with the PGMOL in England) are very flaky - and dare I say - incorrect...

This thread initially started out as a moan/rant/hatchet job on Match Officials from a certain city from a fan of a certain club.
It decended into libellous and defamatory comments quite quickly (most of which has been stripped out) - from which it never really recovered.

I was at the Branch Meeting of the Irish Soccer Referees Society last week - at which we had a presentation on the future structure of refereeing in this country (which is undergoing an overhaul)

We need to recruit an extra 1,000 or so referees over the next few seasons - maybe some of you who have been in here moaning and ranting about the standard can contact the FAI, get yourselves onto a refereeing course - and get out there doing games to help us out?

Somehow I doubt any of you will take me up on this offer...

[Aaron]

Look - I've been refereeing full-time for the past 10 years and went to a pretty high level in England - I know Law pretty much inside out.

What btid and myself said concerning this holds true (concerning defenders covering and the definition of an Obvious Goalscoring Opportunity) - your interpretation - and that of the ex-pro LOI Ref (on another point - we have NEVER had Professional refs in this Association - purely down to the fact the FAI cannot afford to place them on Professional Contracts as they do with the PGMOL in England) are very flaky - and dare I say - incorrect...

This thread initially started out as a moan/rant/hatchet job on Match Officials from a certain city from a fan of a certain club.
It decended into libellous and defamatory comments quite quickly (most of which has been stripped out) - from which it never really recovered.

I was at the Branch Meeting of the Irish Soccer Referees Society last week - at which we had a presentation on the future structure of refereeing in this country (which is undergoing an overhaul)
We need to recruit an extra 1,000 or so referees over the next few seasons - maybe some of you who have been in here moaning and ranting about the standard can contact the FAI, get yourselves onto a refereeing course - and get out there doing games to help us out?

Somehow I doubt any of you will take me up on this offer...

Good news. Hopefully the government will plough more money into the refs association and get the refs currently their trained to a higher standard. Were can u get the rulebook for football online?? Nothing to do with this thread

[John83]

Dahamsta, any chance of one of these:
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-69261.html
Pweese?

[OneRedArmy]

Look - I've been refereeing full-time for the past 10 years and went to a pretty high level in England - I know Law pretty much inside out.

What btid and myself said concerning this holds true (concerning defenders covering and the definition of an Obvious Goalscoring Opportunity) - your interpretation - and that of the ex-pro LOI Ref (on another point - we have NEVER had Professional refs in this Association - purely down to the fact the FAI cannot afford to place them on Professional Contracts as they do with the PGMOL in England) are very flaky - and dare I say - incorrect...

This thread initially started out as a moan/rant/hatchet job on Match Officials from a certain city from a fan of a certain club.
It decended into libellous and defamatory comments quite quickly (most of which has been stripped out) - from which it never really recovered.

I was at the Branch Meeting of the Irish Soccer Referees Society last week - at which we had a presentation on the future structure of refereeing in this country (which is undergoing an overhaul)

We need to recruit an extra 1,000 or so referees over the next few seasons - maybe some of you who have been in here moaning and ranting about the standard can contact the FAI, get yourselves onto a refereeing course - and get out there doing games to help us out?

Somehow I doubt any of you will take me up on this offer...All the above is great and you obviously know the rules, but you also have a clear agenda in defending your fellow referees actions.

Your interpretation of the Derry sendings off you state as being correct, however I have seen many referees in this League and elsewhere interpret them differently.

Leave aside the Derry examples for a minute, the past few seasons, particularly this season, has, through the increased in televised games, reinforced what most EL fans already knew, namely that the standard of officiating is routinely absymal, with shockingly bad decisions being dished out on a disturbingly regular basis. Experience in European competitions reinforce this with the referees being uniformly more consistent and accurate in their application of the law.

FACT, as you Bohez fans like to say.

Regarding a Dublin bias or any sort of bias, the more incorrect or dubious calls a referree makes, the more this is going to raise its head. Taking simple steps like ensuring the referee is geographically neutral (as almost every other national association does) is a no-brainer.

If its more money thats needed to make referees more professional and therefore more accurate in their decision-making, then so be it. But they HAVE to improve to keep pace with the improvement in the standard of the League.

[dfx-]

Is your ground built yet?

Is this thread still going?:eek:

[OneRedArmy]

Is this thread still going?:eek:It won't stop until we get our membership accreditation for the Ridden Rock Solid by Dublin Club :D

[dfx-]

I thought it was Dublin refs, not Dublin clubs...:p

*pushes the argument round the circle one more time*:D

[Krstic]

well it is one way of explaining the amount of favourable decisions Derry have received from match officials in the Brandywell since the mid 80's.

You could be right.

[bohs til i die]

Good news. Hopefully the government will plough more money into the refs association and get the refs currently their trained to a higher standard. Were can u get the rulebook for football online?? Nothing to do with this thread



I take it all back, having seen the video footage of the foul by Jennings, I have to admit to being totally wrong. How dare a referee send off a Derry keeper for coming out of his area and deliberately fouling a Shels player and stopping him from having an opportunity to score :rolleyes:

[NY Hoop]

Look - I've been refereeing full-time for the past 10 years and went to a pretty high level in England - I know Law pretty much inside out.

What btid and myself said concerning this holds true (concerning defenders covering and the definition of an Obvious Goalscoring Opportunity) - your interpretation - and that of the ex-pro LOI Ref (on another point - we have NEVER had Professional refs in this Association - purely down to the fact the FAI cannot afford to place them on Professional Contracts as they do with the PGMOL in England) are very flaky - and dare I say - incorrect...

This thread initially started out as a moan/rant/hatchet job on Match Officials from a certain city from a fan of a certain club.
It decended into libellous and defamatory comments quite quickly (most of which has been stripped out) - from which it never really recovered.

I was at the Branch Meeting of the Irish Soccer Referees Society last week - at which we had a presentation on the future structure of refereeing in this country (which is undergoing an overhaul)

We need to recruit an extra 1,000 or so referees over the next few seasons - maybe some of you who have been in here moaning and ranting about the standard can contact the FAI, get yourselves onto a refereeing course - and get out there doing games to help us out?

Somehow I doubt any of you will take me up on this offer...

Réiteoir fair play to you for being a ref. Definitely a very tough job.

However surely you must see that the standard of refereeing here has gone downhill this season at an alarming rate. I wont bore you with what I've seen in the first division.

IMO what annoys players, managers and fans is the complete lack of communication from the officials. When a player asks about a decision he is booked. When a ref makes a mistake he never apologises or accepts responsibility (an Irish trait).

If officials came out in the media and said "Listen I made a mistake on the third goal and I hope I can learn from this." It would close the door on the incident.

But instead you have silence which leads to a grudge when the ref next does a game. Then you have to listen to tripe like Dublin bias etc.

Lack of communication leads to mistrust. However I am delighted to hear there is finally some accountability. After the farcical scenes in Bray Alan Kelly was suspended for a month. This is a forward step. But is it fair that his father is an assessor?

Officials are not helping themselves.

KOH

[pete]

Watching Kennys TG4 interview on eL weekly & he always reminds me of Kevin Keegan. I half expected him to say "i'll love it when we beat them..."

:D :D :D

[BohsFans]

After the farcical scenes in Bray Alan Kelly was suspended for a month. This is a forward step. But is it fair that his father is an assessor?


I think he only got demoted for a month to lino.

Wasn't he lino at Cork vs. Bohs recently.

[Réiteoir]

tbh - NYHoop - there are incidents like this in every national association - i could bore you with multiple tales of lunacy and such from my time watching games in England. :D

Plus the Alan Kelly thing isn't a unique thing - the manager/appointments officer of the National Group of Referees in England (the Football League referees) is the Father in Law of a Football League referee.

Up until two seasons ago referees in England were forbidden from speaking to any form of the media at all - this changed only at the top level with the introduction of the PGMOB - which is the body consisting of the Select Group of Premiership referees - we still cannot speak to anybody at local or Conference level.

I expect that with the changes coming about in the next few years that you will see a noticable change in how things are done at all levels of the game.

[Réiteoir]

I'll also add that I've been back in the country for just under a month - but I'm itching to get out there and start refereeing locally

[passerrby]

most of what you say is very true reitoir and fair play to you for saying it
hers two things i would like to see more of,
punish players who make a song and dance after refs make a dicision. (its done get on with it). Players who run towards a ref shold keep on running to the bench.
Refs match report must be honest I dont mind him making a mistake but when he compounds it by writing a misleading report to justify his dicisions that is wrong.
the refs assessor must be independant and he must not go into the refs room after the match his report should go directly to the FAI without consoltation with the refs.

[NY Hoop]

tbh - NYHoop - there are incidents like this in every national association - i could bore you with multiple tales of lunacy and such from my time watching games in England. :D

Plus the Alan Kelly thing isn't a unique thing - the manager/appointments officer of the National Group of Referees in England (the Football League referees) is the Father in Law of a Football League referee.

Up until two seasons ago referees in England were forbidden from speaking to any form of the media at all - this changed only at the top level with the introduction of the PGMOB - which is the body consisting of the Select Group of Premiership referees - we still cannot speak to anybody at local or Conference level.

I expect that with the changes coming about in the next few years that you will see a noticable change in how things are done at all levels of the game.

Oh I'm sure there are incidents like this at every level in every league. Thing is it grates when you see these refs from here getting CL or international games.

Re changes believe it when I see it.

Do you have a link anywhere for the rules of the game?


KOH

[OneRedArmy]

http://www.fifa.com/en/laws/menu.htm

[BohDiddley]

Good piece in the Times by Emmet M today. Bohs bits on this season's atrocious trilogy here (http://www.bohemian-fc.com/home/media/bohs_bear_brunt_of_reffing_atrocities/).

[dcfcsteve]

This is the type of thing the NLSA should be looking to raise. Clubs can't criticise refs, as they risk fines etc. The fans, however, can. Why doesn't the NLSA write a letter to John Delaney stating that the level of refeering is now damaging the league, listing the more ridiculous decisions this year (Bohs goal, Bohs non-goal, Jennings sending off etc), and then press release the leter to the national media as well ? Papers will love the whole 'national fans representative body openly criticises refeering standards' angle. If the NLSA doesn't exist to tackle things like this, what does it exist for....?


Anyone from the NLSA care to commment on the above ?

I posted a similar suggestion on the NLSA messageboard a couple of days ago, that has been looked at 5 times without response.

Do we have a fan body interested in raising fan issues, or does the NLSA aspire primarily to be a ticket agency for the FAI ? I think it's important we know....

[bohs til i die]

This is the type of thing the NLSA should be looking to raise. Clubs can't criticise refs, as they risk fines etc. The fans, however, can. Why doesn't the NLSA write a letter to John Delaney stating that the level of refeering is now damaging the league, listing the more ridiculous decisions this year (Bohs goal, Bohs non-goal, Jennings sending off etc), and then press release the leter to the national media as well ? Papers will love the whole 'national fans representative body openly criticises refeering standards' angle. If the NLSA doesn't exist to tackle things like this, what does it exist for....?



if the NLSA is to take up some sort of issue with John Delaney over the refereeing in the league then they fine, but the Jennings sending off was a correct decision.

Bring up incidents that are 100% clear cut caes of incompetence, not incidents were the referee actually got it right.

[dcfcsteve]

if the NLSA is to take up some sort of issue with John Delaney over the refereeing in the league then they fine, but the Jennings sending off was a correct decision.

Bring up incidents that are 100% clear cut caes of incompetence, not incidents were the referee actually got it right.

Look at the bigger picture BTID. Refs are sh!t in the league, and live TV is exposing that. I don't give a feck about giving 'contentious' examples of this (and your verdict on Jennings sending off is merely opinion, just as Stepehen Kenny's and Mick Neville's different interpretation was opinion). Regardless - there are plenty of cast-iron examples where refs have just been woeful, assuming examples are required to back-up any statement.

The refs have been a joke this year, and someone needs to say that. I can't see anyone being willing or able to say it except the press and the fans. We have a representative body for EL fans/supporters clubs, who would be the ideal people to raise this issue. So I'd like to know if they're interested in raising this, or if they see their role as purely being the distribution of tickets for the FAI ?

[Aaron]

Well stone me look who is ref for the bohs-v-derry game on 6th Oct, only Ian Stokes!!! If he is fair then i'll hold my hands up, if he is biased towards derry, i'll accept its incompetence and rubbish but if he continues to favour bohs by giving them rediculous decisions, then my point will prove almost correct.....we shall wait and see???

[aido1895]

Well stone me look who is ref for the bohs-v-derry game on 6th Oct, only Ian Stokes!!! If he is fair then i'll hold my hands up, if he is biased towards derry, i'll accept its incompetence and rubbish but if he continues to favour bohs by giving them rediculous decisions, then my point will prove almost correct.....we shall wait and see???

You mean all the decisions referees have given derry incorrectly so far this season dont count as bias ?
It seems from you and other derry fans when a decision is given against derry its bias and when derry get a dodgy decision in their favour its . . . . well derry have never got a dodgy decision have they - I mean Shels didnt deserve a penalty last friday and sean hargan shouldnt have been sent off sure he was only saying hello to the lad :rolleyes:

[DmanDmythDledge]

Well stone me look who is ref for the bohs-v-derry game on 6th Oct. If he is fair then i'll hold my hands up, if he is biased towards derry, i'll accept its incompetence and rubbish but if he continues to favour bohs by giving them rediculous decisions, then my point will prove almost correct.....we shall wait and see???
This post completely takes away any validity your argument ever had.

However, your argument never had any validity anyway.

[elliott06]

I have nightmares at night wondering how these referees gain their liscences!! I have going to the Brandywell for a long time now and it has been evident since day 1 that the referees have been biased towards Derry and perhaps also cork.

Something should be done immediatly, but the only good thing is that all those red cards have been televised and perhaps this will make the situation better. Does anyone no how long are keepers will be banned, will they be able to play against ucd on sunday??

[DmanDmythDledge]

ISomething should be done immediatly, but the only good thing is that all those red cards have been televised and perhaps this will make the situation better. Does anyone no how long are keepers will be banned, will they be able to play against ucd on sunday??
AFAIK Forde will be able to play.

[Aaron]

This post completely takes away any validity your argument ever had.

However, your argument never had any validity anyway.

And so if stokes is biased towards bohs, will it have any validity then.....BTW everyone goes on about how we get dodgy decisions in our favour i agree. But the point i'm making is that every team will get dodgy decisions from refs every now and then but when ur team consistently gets dodgy decisions against them from refs from the same city as the opposing team, wot are we expected to think....aww just bad refereeing and incompetence!!! MY ARSE!!