Limerick Divisions 3B/4A/4B 2006/07

[Old keeper]

I have numerous and specific examples throughout the last 6 or more years, it was NOT an off the cuff remark.

Well Im not there that long but give me your examples of the last year and I will respond.

[Old keeper]

Anyone know what games are off?


3b

Parkville OFF Murroe
St Paul's OFF Moyross
Coonagh United V Herbertstown
Caherconlish OFF Summerville Rovers

[ShelsLimerick]

Cheers OldKeeper.

4B

St Patrick’s AFC OFF Dromore Celtic
Holycross OFF Prospect Priory


Games On
St Paul's B V Parkville
Croom B V Shelbourne

[3 Heroes]

Well Im not there that long but give me your examples of the last year and I will respond.

Righto,
Travelled out to Raheen and ten minutes after the game was due to have kicked off and trying to get through to the LDMC (fixture sec. I assume) we were informed the referee's wife had taken his car keys with her and that they would see if they could find a replacement so we waited another 10 mins before we were informed the match was off.

Travelled to two different away games three times before they were played, for one of those games both teams were in agreement the pitch was in perfect condition, referee that said it was unplayable has a "reputation" for not playing games

[The Ref]

Righto,

Travelled to two different away games three times before they were played, for one of those games both teams were in agreement the pitch was in perfect condition, referee that said it was unplayable has a "reputation" for not playing games

Can I say, as a referee, my primary concern is the safety of the players. If I'm in doubt I won't play the game - I have seen a colleague make that mistake (he expressed his concerns too me before kick off but said sure everything will be alright) a player got a serious injury as a direct result of the condition of the pitch..

You are however getting away from your original point, the league cannot be held responsible for a referees’ decision not to play a match or indeed not turn up.

[Old keeper]

Righto,
Travelled out to Raheen and ten minutes after the game was due to have kicked off and trying to get through to the LDMC (fixture sec. I assume) we were informed the referee's wife had taken his car keys with her and that they would see if they could find a replacement so we waited another 10 mins before we were informed the match was off.

Travelled to two different away games three times before they were played, for one of those games both teams were in agreement the pitch was in perfect condition, referee that said it was unplayable has a "reputation" for not playing games

The ref has answered these,

The league has no control over the actions of referees. The refs are appointed for games by the Fixtures sec and the referees assessor.

[3 Heroes]

The ref has answered these,

The league has no control over the actions of referees. The refs are appointed for games by the Fixtures sec and the referees assessor.
So what role exactly do the LDMC paly. I know and understand you're trying your best but it does sound as if you are fobbing thes problems off on the refs

[The Ref]

So what role exactly do the LDMC paly. I know and understand you're trying your best but it does sound as if you are fobbing thes problems off on the refs

My answer is from a referee perspective.

The league fixes the match;
The referee allocations officer (usually a referees assessor) appoints a referee to the game;
The match card is made available to the referee (by post/collection or by means agreed between the league and the ISRS branch);
At this stage the home team can only call off a game for an unplayable pitch. This must be done in accordance with competition rules or if the pitch is owned by the local authority, ONLY the local authority may deem the pitch unplayable;
The day of the match, the referee has sole responsibility in calling the game off for an unplayable pitch, I will usually take into account the wishes of the grounds-man (he know his pitch better than anyone) but it is MY call – none else’s;
The referee returns the match card to the league;
The league take whatever action they deem necessary, based on the referees report.

[Old keeper]

So what role exactly do the LDMC paly. I know and understand you're trying your best but it does sound as if you are fobbing thes problems off on the refs

I can feel your frustration but the league fixes games and the refs are appointed. The LDMC guidelines are that if a pitch is unplayable the home team must make contact with the fixtures secretary before 12 noon on the sat, the fixtures sec then tries to contact the ref and the away team. If the home team makes no contact before 12 the game goes ahead unless the ref calls it off.

In relation to referees not turning up to games, this is a diciplinary issue for the referees society and the league can only pass on the complaints from ourselves and clubs.

You must understand that the referees are a totally seperate body from the LDMC, and in the same way that a team needs players to play, the refs need refs to ref, in the case of this weekend the Ladies games that were scheduled were allocated referees by the society and as all ladies games need 3 officials this ruled out 3 ldmc games for each ladies game. So where do we get more refs?? we are trying to come to an agreement regarding the playing of ladies games on a sunday but this is slow going and the ladies have as much right to play as us. Its a big bad complicated world that cant be sorted with black and white views.

[larrywhite]

An off topic question for anyone whos knows....but why do ladies need three officials for matches?

[Old keeper]

An off topic question for anyone whos knows....but why do ladies need three officials for matches?

I think that this originated when ladies games first started, they were far and few between and were fixed at times that never clashed with other leagues so it was possible to have a ref and two linesmen (all teams would like the inclusion of linesmen) but now that they are encroaching on other leagues this will need to be revisited.

[Soccer Lover]

I think that this originated when ladies games first started, they were far and few between and were fixed at times that never clashed with other leagues so it was possible to have a ref and two linesmen (all teams would like the inclusion of linesmen) but now that they are encroaching on other leagues this will need to be revisited.

is this not between the referees and whoever organises the ladies games. can the ldmc get involved - the referees could tell you to get lost?

[Old keeper]

is this not between the referees and whoever organises the ladies games. can the ldmc get involved - the referees could tell you to get lost?

They could but contrary to popular belief the referees in Limerick are just as interested in making sure as many games take place as anyone else.
The issue with the ladies is actually between the FAI the ladies and the LDL (LDMC)

[larrywhite]

Hey Dave. Since you didnt bother showing up again even though we were playing 50 yards from your house, the score yesterday was 1-1. Missed a hatful of chances in the first half and it came back to bite us in the ass. Yogi scored a lovely goal. Best chances missed were by Yogi and Colin.

[scoobysham]

I have seen quite a few of them playing against our A team this season and last and I can tell you they would wreck your head with the amount of moaning on the pitch. Goes for most teams in 1A in fact including our own. As for the players there are very few outstanding players in 1A. Most teams would have one or two handy players and the rest steady eddies. I thought our As would be certs for relegation this season but having seen them improve and others in the division dont look good at all I think they will come 6th or 7th again. Not bad for only their second season in the division. Main thing is to stay there.

your playing with a b side and your slagging off 1a teams.........what division u in 4b......... the lot of ye on this thread should concentrate on your own division.....i know things got very sloppy on the 1a thread a few weeks back but that happens most threads cause u are always goona defend your team if someone has a go at them........

[larrywhite]

I didnt slag off anyone in particular and didnt mention Wembley. Like most others in this thread Im sick of reading the bitching between the wembley, caherdavin and whoever else and couldnt be bothered talking about them. Some of ye are just waaaaay to paranoid to be allowed near a message board.

I was merely stating my own opinion on the standard of teams and players in 1A after being asked by someone else.

And I dont play...i look after our B team in 3B (this is a 3B thread) and had been invloved with the A team for quite a few years before last season so I have seen almost every game our A team have played over the past 6 or 7 seven seasons from 2A to 1A including all this season.

By the way, this thread has nothing to do with Wembley or 1A so its obvious you are just trolling as usual looking for a response.***************


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[Poloman]

Go handy children.

A lot of you know me but I would rather stay quiet. Shels and old keeper will guess who i am alright.

I did my tendons 5 weeks ago on my right ankle and I am out for another few weeks. I missed the Dromore V Shels game.. I was raging as I enjoyed playing against ye last year.. its always good to play against old teams. Hopefully I will be back the week after next.

After reading this thread:
Yes Dromore are a very clean side we are not dirty as are Shels and most of the teams. There a lot of 'experienced players' like myself who are getting too old to run and we play for the love of the game.

We are doing rubbish this year as we have 6 new players.. our captain retired and one or two left to go to other teams so we are really suffering and I think we have lost three out of our first 4 games. Thats our season basically over.

Croom are very good lads. We held them for the first half but they are young and fit and left us in the second half. I gave away a stupid penalty (totally my fault) to make it three one. With so little games this season we are finished in the league. Croom will win it i have no doubt at all.

Oh.. and you are talking about Yogi?? Most selfish and over-rated I have ever played against. Ye would be twice the team if he passed the ball and tried not to beat 6 players every time he got the ball. He is pure ratty as well. Colin is a good player. He knows me too. Tried to get me to join two years ago but Yogi was the reason I didnt!!!

Refs: If you think the match is not fit to be played then call it off.

Leagues. To yer man in the committee... can ye please please increase the lower division sides??? We have a total of 12 league games this season... 12 like... we have 4 matches played and a third of the season is over? Thats demorilising for us. Please have a think and maybe make 3 divisions out of 3A, 3B, 4a and 4B and make 3A, 3B and3C?? This will give us all more games.

[see's it]

I didnt slag off anyone in particular and didnt mention Wembley. Like most others in this thread Im sick of reading the bitching between the wembley, caherdavin and whoever else and couldnt be bothered talking about them. Some of ye are just waaaaay to paranoid to be allowed near a message board.

I was merely stating my own opinion on the standard of teams and players in 1A after being asked by someone else.

And I dont play...i look after our B team in 3B (this is a 3B thread) and had been invloved with the A team for quite a few years before last season so I have seen almost every game our A team have played over the past 6 or 7 seven seasons from 2A to 1A including all this season.

By the way, this thread has nothing to do with Wembley or 1A so its obvious you are just trolling as usual looking for a response.


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relax bucko

[Poloman]

There will always be slagging between teams lads relax and dont take thngs so seriously!! Ye could be out injured like me!

[larrywhite]

Hey Poloman,

Sorry got a bit miffed with yer man alright. As others will tell you they have ruined the 1A thread with their bitching and then he comes in here where lads are having proper discussions and tries to stir it up.

As you said there are plenty of guys out there who just want a game becuase they love the game and maybe are not as good/young/fit/slim :D as they used to be. Theres no need for others to come in here and slag them off.

Anyway welcome to the thread/site. As regards us, Colin is a good player alright. Has had a slow start this season. I put this down to not playing every week along with having to work evenings every second week. As for Yogi, who doesnt know him!!! Can be very frustrating but sets up a fair amount of goals for others.

As you said the 32 teams in the bottom 4 divisions should be formed into 3 divisions. Also should have a cup for those divisions while FAI/MFA is going on. If a clubs A team is in any of these divisions then they should have the option of entering FAI/MFA or the 3A/B/C cup.

Thanks to some ridiculous rule that requires 3 officials for ladies games it means it would be impossible to arrange friendlies for these free weekends as there are no referees available. There were 3 games in 3B cancelled yesterday due to the non availability of referees. How many were called off in Premier/1A/1B? The higher division teams are playing every week so its very unfair on lower division teams who are lucky to have games 2 weeks running to then have one game cancelled.

[ShelsLimerick]

Croom will win it i have no doubt at all.


We beat Croom 2-0 yesterday in Croom. We have 8 games left of which 5 are at home (Parkville play all their games away). If Keith and Dean can keep doing the business up front we should be in with a great chance. :D

[larrywhite]

relax bucko

Come on...thats not fair...whos this? :D

[Old keeper]

Hey Poloman,

Sorry got a bit miffed with yer man alright. As others will tell you they have ruined the 1A thread with their bitching and then he comes in here where lads are having proper discussions and tries to stir it up.

As you said there are plenty of guys out there who just want a game becuase they love the game and maybe are not as good/young/fit/slim :D as they used to be. Theres no need for others to come in here and slag them off.

Anyway welcome to the thread/site. As regards us, Colin is a good player alright. Has had a slow start this season. I put this down to not playing every week along with having to work evenings every second week. As for Yogi, who doesnt know him!!! Can be very frustrating but sets up a fair amount of goals for others.

As you said the 32 teams in the bottom 4 divisions should be formed into 3 divisions. Also should have a cup for those divisions while FAI/MFA is going on. If a clubs A team is in any of these divisions then they should have the option of entering FAI/MFA or the 3A/B/C cup.

Thanks to some ridiculous rule that requires 3 officials for ladies games it means it would be impossible to arrange friendlies for these free weekends as there are no referees available. There were 3 games in 3B cancelled yesterday due to the non availability of referees. How many were called off in Premier/1A/1B? The higher division teams are playing every week so its very unfair on lower division teams who are lucky to have games 2 weeks running to then have one game cancelled.


The issue with lower divisions is a no brainer but this year a lot of clubs advised that they would be putting in B and C teams but they never materialised. Next season should see a streamlining of the lower leagues and I agree with the suggestion of an open draw cup for the lower divisions (have your clubs write to the committee and request this for this season and we will do our best to ensure it happens. (most of us anyway)

Regarding the refs being available for the top divisions! You should see a split over the next few weeks where the teams in all divisions will catch up. As I say on other sites its not black and white, but we will get there

[scoobysham]

proper discussions ye have been talking about but at one stage last week yourself and hollycross jock too the mick for a lot of posts in 1a about all that rubbish that was on 1a a few weeks back

[larrywhite]

A quote to back up that inacurate statement would be nice.

[Poloman]

Shels: No way.. fair play if ye beat Croom 2-0 away. Keith and Dean wouldnt have scored if I was fit though! Still.. we are playing ye again.. I will make sure ye dont score (wach us lose 4-0!)

Larry.. thanks for the welcome.

As for the refs.. lets be honest.. the refs should ref the higher division games.. I understand if there are no refs for our games as premier division etc is more important in terms of the effort they put in and people coming to watch matches. Croom had about 40 spectators when they played us in our place.. great support for a low division.

But I have to say when I payed with shels they ran us into the ground. One of the reasons i left is they train like a premier team and yet they are in 4B.. thats dedication. Now i just play three nights a week instead of training. Too old (unslim) for all that now!! :D

But ya. They should get rid of 4B and make three divisions honestly. The season is too short. We all play for the love of it and we want more games. I was never a premier player (in minors fair enough for caherdavin) but the highest i played was 1B. And you were nearly guaranteed a game every week. Now we havent played a league game in 4 weeks.

PS if Dromore have a game can you get it called off!!! I aint ready for my comeback yet :rolleyes:

Shels I must find out who you are.

[larrywhite]

To all who read this thread:

How about renaming the thread "Limerick Division 3B/4A/4B" seeing as there seems to be a bit of chat on here regarding all 3 divisions. It would help any newbies looking for chat on 4A or 4B too.

If a mod sees this he might do the honours.

[Poloman]

I agree ya.

I didnt go in originally to this thread as i thought it was 3B and was too embarrassed to start a 4b thread!!

[the 12 th man]

To all who read this thread:

How about renaming the thread "Limerick Division 3B/4A/4B" seeing as there seems to be a bit of chat on here regarding all 3 divisions. It would help any newbies looking for chat on 4A or 4B too.

If a mod sees this he might do the honours.

Done.

[larrywhite]

Cheers coach.

[Old keeper]

proper discussions ye have been talking about but at one stage last week yourself and hollycross jock too the mick for a lot of posts in 1a about all that rubbish that was on 1a a few weeks back

???? I'm Confused Give a little more detail if you need a response

[3 Heroes]

Hey Dave. Since you didnt bother showing up again even though we were playing 50 yards from your house, the score yesterday was 1-1. Missed a hatful of chances in the first half and it came back to bite us in the ass. Yogi scored a lovely goal. Best chances missed were by Yogi and Colin.
Nice one, there goes my anonymity, why don't you put on my address and workplace too:eek:
Re: the match and me not being there; what can I say, weather sucked and I was mega hungover and a headache too

[Old keeper]

Results and tables are updated sorry for the delays, results were slow in coming

[larrywhite]

Hi oldkeeper, would you like results emailed to the ldmc address on sunday?

[Old keeper]

Hi oldkeeper, would you like results emailed to the ldmc address on sunday?

That would be great

I am working on a text based system that will update the tables and the website automatically. This will also have a text service for each division that anyone can sign up to that will text the results of your division as soon as the games are over. (for a small charge of course)

[larrywhite]

That would be great

I am working on a text based system that will update the tables and the website automatically. This will also have a text service for each division that anyone can sign up to that will text the results of your division as soon as the games are over. (for a small charge of course)

Sounds very good.

[Jock MIB]

The issue with lower divisions is a no brainer but this year a lot of clubs advised that they would be putting in B and C teams but they never materialised. Next season should see a streamlining of the lower leagues and I agree with the suggestion of an open draw cup for the lower divisions (have your clubs write to the committee and request this for this season and we will do our best to ensure it happens. (most of us anyway)

Regarding the refs being available for the top divisions! You should see a split over the next few weeks where the teams in all divisions will catch up. As I say on other sites its not black and white, but we will get there

i appreciate that old keeper but what i then don't understand as a fellow 4b team with St Pats why couldn't the LDMC see that there was four leagues of 8 and just decided there and then in the final week of the season starting notify the clubs to tell of the new structure like you did with herbertstown in the premier, 1a situation... i know nothing can be done now but i was just quering if any one in the committee thought about this when the teams were not getting entered...

i'm not getting angry or anything here its just frustrating that most teams in 3a 3b 4a and 4b probably got a good squad of players ready for the season started and cause of the numbers in the league and the structure theses numbers have dwindled because of lack of games available.

but as you said with the other clubs writing to the committee we will work together to make sure next season is a much better structure..

keep up the good work old keeper see you this week in the FAI

[longtimefan]

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i appreciate that old keeper but what i then don't understand as a fellow 4b team with St Pats why couldn't the LDMC see that there was four leagues of 8 and just decided there and then in the final week of the season starting notify the clubs to tell of the new structure like you did with herbertstown in the premier, 1a situation... i know nothing can be done now but i was just quering if any one in the committee thought about this when the teams were not getting entered...

i'm not getting angry or anything here its just frustrating that most teams in 3a 3b 4a and 4b probably got a good squad of players ready for the season started and cause of the numbers in the league and the structure theses numbers have dwindled because of lack of games available.

but as you said with the other clubs writing to the committee we will work together to make sure next season is a much better structure..

keep up the good work old keeper see you this week in the FAI

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the only one who can make decisions on the divisions is the fixtures secretary .

[larrywhite]

MOD EDIT*** and the only one who can make decisions on the divisions is the fixtures secretary so he is spouting bull

Is that you Paddy? :rolleyes:

[Old keeper]

i appreciate that old keeper but what i then don't understand as a fellow 4b team with St Pats why couldn't the LDMC see that there was four leagues of 8 and just decided there and then in the final week of the season starting notify the clubs to tell of the new structure like you did with herbertstown in the premier, 1a situation... i know nothing can be done now but i was just quering if any one in the committee thought about this when the teams were not getting entered...

i'm not getting angry or anything here its just frustrating that most teams in 3a 3b 4a and 4b probably got a good squad of players ready for the season started and cause of the numbers in the league and the structure theses numbers have dwindled because of lack of games available.

but as you said with the other clubs writing to the committee we will work together to make sure next season is a much better structure..

keep up the good work old keeper see you this week in the FAI

Hi Thanks for the support

The issue re the lower divisions was discussed at the start of the season but it was too late to change then, next year there will be a root and branch review of the leagues well before the season starts and hopefully clubs will be in a position to apply to the lower divisions. in my opinion clubs should have to re apply every year to ensure the league knows how many teams will be in. Im on lunch but would need a few hours to deal with longtimefan!!

But the division setups are nothing to do with the Fixture secretary. in the past it may have been left to the FS to do this but there are many now who want to be involved and it will be a committee decision as to how many teams are in each division.

[Jock MIB]

We beat Croom 2-0 yesterday in Croom. We have 8 games left of which 5 are at home (Parkville play all their games away). If Keith and Dean can keep doing the business up front we should be in with a great chance. :D

Good result for you's Shels, thought you would beat Croom they have good young lads in team though... was it tough encounter or could you have scored more???

[see's it]

its getting heated in here bucko

[larrywhite]

its getting heated in here bucko

Karl? Shane?

Come on...PM me if you dont want the world to know. :D

Anyway...we have a couple of muppets intruding our nice, quiet lower league thread so have to put them right. :D

[Jock MIB]

Anyway...we have a couple of muppets intruding our nice, quiet lower league thread so have to put them right. :D

Hope that wasn't refering to me Alan :)

[larrywhite]

Hope that wasn't refering to me Alan :)

Of course not. You know the one Im talking about. Hes at it again in the 1A thread today....talking about you in fact. The replies he got at least were not the most complimentary. :)

[Jock MIB]

yeah i saw that, didn't realise my comments would cause such an offence to someone ;)

[larrywhite]

Obviously very insecure about his own (lack of) talent.

[ShelsLimerick]

Good result for you's Shels, thought you would beat Croom they have good young lads in team though... was it tough encounter or could you have scored more???

It was a tough game. Our first goal came from a long ball from the back. Their centre half got a head to it and stuck it in the top corner. They had a lot of possession in the second half without really creating any chances. They went three at the back then and we caught them on the break for our second.

Only problem for us now is that we have played more games than anyone else, which means we will have a long spell without a game at some stage.

[wavinceltic]

i see o'dwyer is playing for coonagh these days, why not the A team, remember him from the caherdavin days, great little player, workhorse like , always gives 100% , coonagh will struggle this year though to get promoted, lacking a lot

[3 Heroes]

i see o'dwyer is playing for coonagh these days, why not the A team, remember him from the caherdavin days, great little player, workhorse like , always gives 100% , coonagh will struggle this year though to get promoted, lacking a lot
Ya, no clean sheets this season, think they're missing something at the back:rolleyes: