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zero
27/09/2017, 12:18 PM
With Walters out I would expect mcgeady to play both games in the qualifiers

there's a conversation in the daryl murphy thread saying how some of us think he will come in for walters :) i have often thought that if playing both walters and long it would make more sense to be to have long out wide and walters up top, but o'neill sees it differently most of the time...

liamoo11
27/09/2017, 6:32 PM
there's a conversation in the daryl murphy thread saying how some of us think he will come in for walters :) i have often thought that if playing both walters and long it would make more sense to be to have long out wide and walters up top, but o'neill sees it differently most of the time...

Don't think o Neill trusts long defensively in that wide role and to be fair when u see how Walters ballsed it up by letting kolarev run for the goal against Serbia you can see what a tough time it is for a frontman playing that wide role

Charlie Darwin
27/09/2017, 9:39 PM
Not sure what else Walters could have done. He tracked his man, he was just outpaced by a much quicker player.

DeLorean
28/09/2017, 7:35 AM
The awareness and execution of the pass from Kostic was top class.

liamoo11
28/09/2017, 9:43 PM
Not sure what else Walters could have done. He tracked his man, he was just outpaced by a much quicker player.

ah no fair enough it was perfect from Serbia but Walters could have done better if he gets across there it's a nothing chance and we don't even notice it and Walters has done that so often for us with his tireless workrate

Fixer82
28/09/2017, 10:11 PM
Walters wasn't 100% fit in those games. It's a demanding job he's given so a big ask for him in those games

liamoo11
28/09/2017, 10:38 PM
Walters wasn't 100% fit in those games. It's a demanding job he's given so a big ask for him in those games

True but if that was mcgeady who didn't step across and let kolarev strike it so sweetly I think there would have been much more finger pointing definitely amongst the lads who sit around me and seem hypersensitive to mcgeady errors for as long as I can remember

Fixer82
28/09/2017, 10:42 PM
There is absolutely a large element who bemoan every single thing McGeady does wrong. There's always players like that. No matter how well Gary Breen played he was called a donkey. No matter if David Connolly scored or assisted he was still muck.

Walters is a grafter and a mullicker who gives 100%. Irish crowds love that.
McGeady always tries a trick and it doesn't always work for him. Irish crowds hate that.

Walters has done more with his limited skill-set than McGeady has it must be said

liamoo11
28/09/2017, 11:01 PM
There is absolutely a large element who bemoan every single thing McGeady does wrong. There's always players like that. No matter how well Gary Breen played he was called a donkey. No matter if David Connolly scored or assisted he was still muck.

Walters is a grafter and a mullicker who gives 100%. Irish crowds love that.
McGeady always tries a trick and it doesn't always work for him. Irish crowds hate that.

Walters has done more with his limited skill-set than McGeady has it must be said

yeah we get what we deserve. if we have any chance of beating Wales we need to trust mcgeady so I'm kinda glad Walters is out cause otherwise he would be definitely right side against Moldova and Wales and we would play accordingly as in batter and bruise and forget any guile

Charlie Darwin
29/09/2017, 12:19 AM
ah no fair enough it was perfect from Serbia but Walters could have done better if he gets across there it's a nothing chance and we don't even notice it and Walters has done that so often for us with his tireless workrate
Fair enough, but I think you're underestimating how quick Kolarov is. Walters was in the right position and did the best his body would allow - the cause of the goal was how three defenders all went with the same man (and didn't stop him getting the pass away).

DeLorean
29/09/2017, 8:15 AM
Fair enough, but I think you're underestimating how quick Kolarov is.

If Kolorov is quick... I definitely underestimated how quick he is. Pace is not something I would have ever associated him with.

zero
29/09/2017, 11:44 AM
There is absolutely a large element who bemoan every single thing McGeady does wrong. There's always players like that. No matter how well Gary Breen played he was called a donkey. No matter if David Connolly scored or assisted he was still muck.

Walters is a grafter and a mullicker who gives 100%. Irish crowds love that.
McGeady always tries a trick and it doesn't always work for him. Irish crowds hate that.

Walters has done more with his limited skill-set than McGeady has it must be said

it's not trying tricks that don't come off, it's getting in good positions and failing to deliver a good cross/pass/shot.

repeatedly.

Charlie Darwin
29/09/2017, 1:27 PM
If Kolorov is quick... I definitely underestimated how quick he is. Pace is not something I would have ever associated him with.
He's been one of the better full backs in Europe for the past six or seven years - you don't do it without pace. As I said, maybe his speed is underestimated.

liamoo11
30/09/2017, 3:35 PM
Really hope mcgeady starts next 2 games another goal today to get him in the mood. Does he have as many as maguire now despite missing chunk of games cause of injury?

DeLorean
01/10/2017, 12:38 AM
That was his third goal for Sunderland today, all in the league. Three assists as well, not bad in seven starts with a struggling side.

He caused a bit of a stir today by going full Adebayor in celebrating his equaliser. Football boo boys don't like it up em.

https://twitter.com/Evs_Dubai/status/914147667684474880

seanfhear
01/10/2017, 4:32 AM
He is a bit long in the tooth to be doing that sort of thing .

His time at Preston probably did help his career .

He is in good form goal wise any how .

liamoo11
01/10/2017, 1:29 PM
That was his third goal for Sunderland today, all in the league. Three assists as well, not bad in seven starts with a struggling side.

He caused a bit of a stir today by going full Adebayor in celebrating his equaliser. Football boo boys don't like it up em.

https://twitter.com/Evs_Dubai/status/914147667684474880

Nice to see him showing some fight. He needs to give fans in Aviva the same treatment stick it to the apes who constantly get on his back when he tries to be inventive we can't tolerate risk taking

jbyrne
01/10/2017, 1:51 PM
He is a bit long in the tooth to be doing that sort of thing .

His time at Preston probably did help his career.


bizzarly he was taunted during the game by the preston fans he served so well last season. his reaction was therefore very understandable really

DannyInvincible
02/10/2017, 12:16 AM
'Grayson defends McGeady for celebrating in front of Preston fans': https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2017/0930/908780-grayson-defends-mcgeady-after/


Grayson, who was Preston manager before moving to Sunderland this summer himself, defended his player's celebrations, likening them to Emmanuel Adebayor's goading of Arsenal fans after scoring against his old club for Manchester City in 2009.

"You are allowed to run around any part of the field and celebrate how you want," said Grayson. "He took the pressure off me to be fair, so I'm quite happy with that. I said to him he looked like Adebayor at City. Why shouldn't you celebrate? He was unfairly taunted, I thought, because he was exceptional last year. He didn't have a choice to come here, so I thought it was a bit unfair what went off."

Preston boss Alex Neil also played down McGeady's actions. He said: "I was too disappointed with conceding to notice Aiden's celebration. I saw him run somewhere. I think in football emotions run high. We were delighted when we scored. I'll be honest, I don't make too much of it.

OwlsFan
02/10/2017, 4:37 PM
bizzarly he was taunted during the game by the preston fans he served so well last season. his reaction was therefore very understandable really

I would say "some Preston fans". There is always an element who will boo just about anything or anyone for any possible excuse. I was at Deepdale in August sitting among there fans and there are some Neanderthals there ok, but the thing is those ones also resembled their fore-bearers but there were also a lot of fans who were there only for the football.

The most inane booing I ever heard was at an Irish game for Sterling in the game against England because he had left Liverpool I think. Bizarre.

Stuttgart88
03/10/2017, 9:52 AM
Irish fans booing along Manc/Scouser lines is just beyond belief.

Celtic fans booing Henrik Larsson was probably the craziest ever in my opinion.

DeLorean
03/10/2017, 9:53 AM
Celtic fans booing Henrik Larsson was probably the craziest ever in my opinion.

Never heard that before! Details?

jbyrne
03/10/2017, 10:00 AM
Irish fans booing along Manc/Scouser lines is just beyond belief.

Celtic fans booing Henrik Larsson was probably the craziest ever in my opinion.

run close by irish fans booing the wrong Danish player thinking it was peter lovenkrands, who was playing for rangers at the time, only for lovenkrands to later come off the bench in the 2nd half

tetsujin1979
03/10/2017, 10:05 AM
run close by irish fans booing the wrong Danish player thinking it was peter lovenkrands, who was playing for rangers at the time, only for lovenkrands to later come off the bench in the 2nd half

To be fair, the announcer had said it was Lovenkrands who came on. Wasn't the player cheered after the mistake was admitted too?

jbyrne
03/10/2017, 10:09 AM
To be fair, the announcer had said it was Lovenkrands who came on. Wasn't the player cheered after the mistake was admitted too?

possibly. but shouldn't someone who feels he has reason (in his own head) to boo a particular opposition player be able to actually recognise him from the stands?

DeLorean
03/10/2017, 10:42 AM
And even if they were booing the correct player, it was still pretty sad.

Stuttgart88
03/10/2017, 2:14 PM
run close by irish fans booing the wrong Danish player thinking it was peter lovenkrands, who was playing for rangers at the time, only for lovenkrands to later come off the bench in the 2nd halfPeter Madsen I think it was? I thought that whole episode was funny, especially later in the game when we cheered the Danes and booed every Irish touch.

Stuttgart88
03/10/2017, 2:16 PM
Never heard that before! Details?He returned to Celtic Park in the CL for Barcelona. Quite a large number booed him.

DeLorean
03/10/2017, 2:20 PM
That's insane.

DannyInvincible
03/10/2017, 10:59 PM
He returned to Celtic Park in the CL for Barcelona. Quite a large number booed him.

Hadn't been aware of that but it's very audible in this video after he scored against Celtic for Barcelona:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L378HrEpEz4

Some discussion about it on a Celtic forum here: http://www.talkceltic.net/forums/threads/was-henrik-booed.32909/

And here: http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/topic/524397/1/

I think most of the booing was limited to just after he'd scored (according to posts on those forums), but I'm still stunned even at that.

Bottle of Tonic
04/10/2017, 12:09 PM
The Henrik boo was part hurt - it was painful to see him leave, worse to see him return in another Jersey, and torture to witness him score against us - and part affirmation of the status of Celtic supporter ie the club is the entity supported, not the player no matter who they are. Even Henrik. That is my recollection of it anyway.

liamoo11
14/10/2017, 4:53 PM
Goal again today. Was really surprised he didn't see more action over the last two games. Still think we will need his creativity at some stage in the playoffs great to still have him

backstothewall
14/10/2017, 8:49 PM
Goal again today. Was really surprised he didn't see more action over the last two games. Still think we will need his creativity at some stage in the playoffs great to still have him

By creativity do you mean taking 2 stepovers and then losing the ball?

Charlie Darwin
14/10/2017, 8:52 PM
Don't answer that Liamoo, it's a trick.

liamoo11
14/10/2017, 9:51 PM
[QUOTE=backstothewall;1939934]By creativity do you mean taking 2 stepovers and then losing the ball?[/QUO
Is he not one of our highest assist providers of all time ever in history? Would you expect him to have twice that number of assists? Do creative players only get to play If they never give the ball away? MccLean was having a poor game on Monday to go along with his shocker against Serbia when he came up trumps with the winner thank god but that can't ignore that he was ineffective before this hard to imagine mcgeady could have been any more ineffective against serbia(mcgeady was injured for the Serbia game). Basically l will really miss mcgeady when he is gine

backstothewall
14/10/2017, 10:44 PM
Is he not one of our highest assist providers of all time ever in history? Would you expect him to have twice that number of assists? Do creative players only get to play If they never give the ball away? MccLean was having a poor game on Monday to go along with his shocker against Serbia when he came up trumps with the winner thank god but that can't ignore that he was ineffective before this hard to imagine mcgeady could have been any more ineffective against serbia(mcgeady was injured for the Serbia game). Basically l will really miss mcgeady when he is gine

It's just that other teams scout us and watch videos of our old games and the like. I think our opponents might have worked out the stepover thing.

DannyInvincible
14/10/2017, 10:45 PM
Video of McGeady's goal for Sunderland against QPR today: https://streamable.com/fuhwk

Charlie Darwin
14/10/2017, 10:48 PM
It's just that other teams scout us and watch videos of our old games and the like. I think our opponents might have worked out the stepover thing.
Have they scouted the McGeady turn though?

liamoo11
15/10/2017, 10:00 AM
It's just that other teams scout us and watch videos of our old games and the like. I think our opponents might have worked out the stepover thing.

But the step overs don't count on his record of assists so can't see how that is relevant. Why would we not want someone who has provided more assists than most nearly all possibly anyone who has ever played for us to be involved even if he can't do as many stopovers because of this new video thong you mention

backstothewall
15/10/2017, 10:10 AM
But the step overs don't count on his record of assists so can't see how that is relevant. Why would we not want someone who has provided more assists than most nearly all possibly anyone who has ever played for us to be involved even if he can't do as many stopovers because of this new video thong you mention

He's clearly not the player he was before he went to Everton, but out of interest. Have you got a link to the statistics about all these assists?


85% of quotes on the internet are made up

liamoo11
15/10/2017, 10:50 AM
What I don't have is a video of that thong!

OwlsFan
06/11/2017, 9:26 AM
Watched the Smoggies vs the Makems yesterday with a lot of Irish interest. The centre-halves for Sunderland were our first choice a few years ago (O'Shea and Wilson). Their distribution was pretty poor but then again it was an awful game. Defensively they did ok in what up to that had been a pretty porous Sunderland defence. It was strange and nice seeing Marc playing again and he is only 30 so hopefully he'll get his career up and running again. Gibson does what Gibson does and played for the most part the easy ball but did ok. McGeady seemed to have a roving role but had one of those frustrating games where just about everything he tried failed and on one occasion fell over when doing the step overs. Christie attacked well but was caught out defensively once or twice and Randolph made some excellent saves (the pick of the Irish players on view). I think O'Shea picked up a calf strain so must be a doubt.

Fixer82
30/12/2017, 4:06 PM
Scored the winner today

liamoo11
30/12/2017, 4:12 PM
gibson seems to have been starter over last 5 or 6 games which is great wood love to see him.back with is with that lovely passing

geysir
30/12/2017, 5:47 PM
Scored the winner today
Good for Sunderland that he scored from that effort.
Shots on goal, Notts Forest 22 Sunderland 1

OwlsFan
04/04/2018, 5:18 PM
Was at the Sunderland v Wednesday game on Easter Monday. Coldest match I have ever been at (-3) not aided by the empty seats around me so no protection from the biting wind. Terrible first half as well but at least it livened up in the second. Amazing when you're struggling at the foot of the table how often decisions/incidents go against you. Sunderland hit the inside of the post and the ball ran along the line while one of their players was taken down for what looked like a clear penalty.

McGeady was the usual curate's egg. O'Shea continues to give it 100% while I was delighted to see Marc Wilson playing and doing ok but I fear, retirements or transfers apart, all three will be in the 1st Division next season. None of them stood out though but none got stick from the Sunderland supporters. McGeady got some from the Owls' fans due to the past connection :( Have to say I was impressed the way the home support did not turn on their players at the end nor was there a chorus of boos but there was a large rattle of seats being emptied when the score went 1-3 against the run of play.

Fixer82
29/09/2018, 3:41 PM
Failed to get off the bench in League 1 today for Sunderland

tricky_colour
29/09/2018, 7:09 PM
I see fixer was right about Sunderland and league one.

Seems O Shea and Wilson escaped the sinking ship.

Fixer82
27/11/2018, 9:34 PM
Two assists and a goal tonight. Call him up Mick!

Closed Account
01/12/2018, 5:16 PM
Some rún of goalscoring form, 6 in 7 matches now.