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Rory H
15/08/2006, 1:20 PM
thats 13/10 for holland to beat ireland;)

at least this game wont be ruined by substitutions...because we wont have any
eirebhoy
15/08/2006, 1:26 PM
suppose the only good thing is that this now forces stan to throw in a few players that havnt much experience.

We know what we're gonna get from likes of Duff/Keane/Dunne for the most part
It's more than just testing players. We have to get the team playing together regularly. Dunne and O'Brien have hardly played together and need getting used to. Italy are the world champions and the main reason for this is because Lippi stuck with his first choice team for every match including friendlies (bar 1 or 2 experiments). The Italians virtually became a club team as they were so familiar with each others games. :) With all the injuries this friendly is pretty pointless.
Metrostars
15/08/2006, 1:47 PM
I said it before at the time, but Stan should have played a few friendlies at the end of last season. There were a lot of World Cup bound teams who would have loved to play us. Ahh but sure the lads needed a good rest after the long season. Good man Stan, great preparation for the game against Germany. Fail to prepare, prepare to fail...
John83
15/08/2006, 2:07 PM
thats 13/10 for holland to beat ireland;)

at least this game wont be ruined by substitutions...because we wont have any
Just in case Staunton is reading this, I'd just like to mention that I can play centre half, and I am available. I'd describe myself as like the Richard Dunne of old, only without the skill, determination, fitness or penchant for alcohol.
Norman
15/08/2006, 2:45 PM
Having paid good money for tickets for tomorrow night, I'm disappointed with the level of withdrawals. Then I thought it wouldn't be that bad as maybe Stan might make a comeback to shore up the defence - alas he's ruled out now due to gun shock, now I hear Duff has also withdrawn, he has returned to Newcastle because he's not fit !!! How about

breen,
breen, breen, breen, breen
breen, breen, breen breen
breen breen,

just a thought...............:confused:
Dodge
15/08/2006, 2:49 PM
I'd say Coughlan would be better than any centre half in the EL but it's hard to say. He has been a major success with every club he has played for and has the experience needed to lead the line (unlike O'Brien or O'Shea).
He couldn't make the grade at Pats. At the time we had far better players than him
eirebhoy
15/08/2006, 2:58 PM
He couldn't make the grade at Pats. At the time we had far better players than him
I didn't even know he was at Pats. Considering he was 19 when he joined Bray I wouldn't read too much into it.
BrayUnknowns
15/08/2006, 3:04 PM
Why not give the likes of Richie Byrne or Gary Dempsey a run ?
theworm2345
15/08/2006, 3:31 PM
Why not give the likes of Richie Byrne or Gary Dempsey a run ?
I'm guessing its too late for any new callups at this point, its 4:00, right? The remaining guys are probably not even going to train that hard because of risk of injury, if they're even going to train again. I honestly woudnt be surprised to see Staunton (maybe even Alan Kelly) on the teamsheet tomorrow, we have no back up defenders
RogerMilla
15/08/2006, 3:39 PM
if stan picks himself he will be a laughing stock , i am supportive of him and hope it all goes brilliantly for him and i honestly do not think he would be that daft. now off to paddy power to get odds on him for the last goal!!
theworm2345
15/08/2006, 3:44 PM
if stan picks himself he will be a laughing stock
What do you call the current squad? True, its not necesarilly all his fault, but he couldve made more callups after the injuries, maybe from the eircom League, at least given the team more options. 17, 18 guys is a Club team side, not an international side, if you can use many substitutes, why not use them? At this point I wouldnt mind seeing Dixon there
Adrianovic
15/08/2006, 3:46 PM
I'm not sure I want to know the score of this game, let alone watch it. Mercifully it is a friendly, so I don't think Holland will go all out to hammer us.

Staunton won't pick himself, don't be silly. He'd rather put a striker at centre back if that's what it came down to.

Ade
pete
15/08/2006, 3:52 PM
Kenny
Carr O'Shea O'Brien Kilbane
Finnan Kavanagh Reid McGeady
Doyle Elliot

Subs: Henderson, Miller, Douglas, O'Brien, Morrison, Murphy.

No defenders on the bench.

Did i forget anyone?
eirebhoy
15/08/2006, 4:17 PM
Kenny
Carr O'Shea O'Brien Kilbane
Finnan Kavanagh Reid McGeady
Doyle Elliot

Subs: Henderson, Miller, Douglas, O'Brien, Morrison, Murphy.

No defenders on the bench.

Did i forget anyone?

I'd go with that lineup except Carr playing on the wing and Finnan at right back.
Closed Account
15/08/2006, 4:22 PM
Isn't Stephen Kelly still knocking about somewhere?
Qwerty
15/08/2006, 10:14 PM
Fair enough - as long as you realise I wasn't having a go at you.

I agree with you that Coughlan is deserving of getting a look-in, as are LOI players. There are currently only two players that have played centre-half in the squad and one of them (O'Shea) hasn't played there lately. Given this scenario there's room for at least two centre-halves to be called-up. He's not going to call-up McCarthy, he doesn't seem to want Doherty anywhere near the squad, McShane is with the U21s, and Damien Delaney is injured. All this surely makes a strong case for either Gavin or Bennett to come into the squad.

I didn't mean to insult the EL, I was going to ask if there were any realistic candidates as I don't get to see may games these days. Gavin works for me, I've always been mystified by hs decline but he did an interview recently and he basically said he lost confidence after Bradford.
dahamsta
15/08/2006, 10:14 PM
Off topic posts moved here (http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=38411). I'll be locking this thread if there's any more off-topic crap posted in it.

adam
cheifo
15/08/2006, 10:38 PM
I agree that Bennett should have been called up and given a chance.If he can play well in the champions league he would not let us down in a friendly.
Whats worrying me with all these withdrawls is the Germans will know each other we might not.Good preparation?But in fairness to Staunton what can he do?
bmozza
16/08/2006, 9:01 AM
my team would be:
kenny
carr o'shea o'brien finnan
miller reid kilbane mcgeady
doyle morrison

considering the silly amount of injuries i actually don't think that's all that bad a side. a big test for mcgeady and doyle, let's hope they produce at this level and start pushing for a competitive place come the qualifiers...
eirebhoy
16/08/2006, 10:30 AM
I was just thinking about Miller, I can't see him not starting tbh. He'd be a fool not to play Kavanagh. Playing Kilbane in the centre would just force Reid to play the holding role when he's best playing box to box.
shakermaker1982
16/08/2006, 11:11 AM
O'Shea has to grow some balls tonight and make some strong tackles, lead the line and use his experience. We need a big game from him, another timid display from the Man Utd man and we'll be overun. Stan has to play Kavanagh and S Reid together in the centre. Miller should only start if he puts him on the right and MacGeady on the left.
bmozza
16/08/2006, 12:20 PM
I think it'd be easy enough to play Kilbane and Reid together, they should be well able to figure out if one makes a run forward than the other one holds. You don't always have to have one CM holding all the time and the other pushing on all the time. I think they're both better footballers than Kavanagh, who I think tends the give the ball away far too much when wearing the green shirt, so I'd go with them. I'd go with McGeady because he's our best attacking midfielder at the moment (due to Duff being injured) and Miller because he's our only attacking midfielder left after that, although I do think he's a good player and I think Kerr proved that if you play a very defensive minded team you just end up defending the whole game, and unfortunately we're definately not good enough at the back for that. Against Sweden he also played Doyle on the left and Elliot up front, and them two kept rotating which worked well.....maybe he'll try that again?
shakermaker1982
16/08/2006, 12:33 PM
I reckon he'll go with Kilbane at LB.
Qwerty
16/08/2006, 12:46 PM
Playing Carr or Finnan on RHM in a home game, a friendly home game is a nothing move - I have yet to be convinced by Finnan in that position. Miller/McGeady on the right, or Mcgeady/Kilbane/Douglas on the left.
eirebhoy
16/08/2006, 1:07 PM
I think it'd be easy enough to play Kilbane and Reid together, they should be well able to figure out if one makes a run forward than the other one holds. You don't always have to have one CM holding all the time and the other pushing on all the time. I think they're both better footballers than Kavanagh, who I think tends the give the ball away far too much when wearing the green shirt, so I'd go with them.
I don't think Kilbane has ever in his professional career played the holding role and if I'm honest I'd probably have most of today's starting lineup in that position over him. Reid sometimes holds midfield but he's much better when he has the freedom to get up and down. Kilbane is pretty much in there to harass the opposition and not give them a second on the ball. He was excellent against the Czechs man marking Nedved. He's no passer though.

imo Kavanagh is a better holding midfielder than Reid and Reid is certainly a better supporting midfielder than Kilbane. That "one get forward while the other one holds" things doesn't work in my opinion (with the exception a few cases). England have been trying it for 2 years and their midfield was a shambles. Obviously the holding midfielder can get forward every now and again. Frings and Ballack have an excellent partnership. Frings is in there to hold but if he does get forward Ballack has the sense to drift back. Kilbane is nowhere near that league though. :)

That's just my opinion but I feel every team has to play a holding midfielder these days. Every team does play a holding midfielder with the exception of England (that might change though). If Reid and Kilbane was playing Reid would be stuck in that role and I'd prefer him to be in his best position as he's suddenly one of our best players.
geysir
16/08/2006, 1:10 PM
The omens are not good now for Keane and Dunne returning for the German game. If so then O'Shea at centre half and Kav at midfield may well be a feature for the next game.
NeilMcD
16/08/2006, 1:57 PM
RELAND (Probable) : Kenny (Sheff Utd); Carr (Newcastle Utd), O'Brien (Portsmouth), O'Shea (Man Utd), Kilbane (Everton); Finnan (Liverpool), S Reid (Blackburn R), Kavanagh (Wigan Ath), McGeady (Celtic); Doyle (Reading), Morrison (Crystal Pal).
RogerMilla
16/08/2006, 2:49 PM
i agree with neil except i think elliot could get the nod ahead of clinto as clinto is not 100% fit
tetsujin1979
16/08/2006, 2:56 PM
i agree with neil except i think elliot could get the nod ahead of clinto as clinto is not 100% fit

No point leaving CLinton on the bench if he's not 100%, at least if he starts, Staunton can take him off, if he comes off the bench and fades, it's a wasted substitution
RogerMilla
16/08/2006, 3:06 PM
surely he's not that unfit!!!
NeilMcD
16/08/2006, 3:07 PM
Yeah I think he will start with him as he needs the games and Elliot has been playing regularly I reckon as you say he will start with Clinton but you never know its a 50/50 call really.
Billsthoughts
16/08/2006, 4:20 PM
RELAND (Probable) : Kenny (Sheff Utd); Carr (Newcastle Utd), O'Brien (Portsmouth), O'Shea (Man Utd), Kilbane (Everton); Finnan (Liverpool), S Reid (Blackburn R), Kavanagh (Wigan Ath), McGeady (Celtic); Doyle (Reading), Morrison (Crystal Pal).

did you just not copy and paste this from the indo breaking news????????
DmanDmythDledge
16/08/2006, 4:49 PM
Yeah I think he will start with him as he needs the games and Elliot has been playing regularly I reckon as you say he will start with Clinton but you never know its a 50/50 call really.
Why would Staunton care if he needs games to get fit. It's up to his club to do that. If he's not fit he doesn't start.
Irish_Praha
16/08/2006, 5:21 PM
Why would Staunton care if he needs games to get fit. It's up to his club to do that. If he's not fit he doesn't start.

Because the German game is only 2 weeks away!
Irish_Praha
16/08/2006, 5:30 PM
So, with all the injuries here would be my starting 11 now:

-----------------Kenny-----------------

Carr----O'Brien---O'Shea---Finnan

McGeady----Kav----Reid----Kilbane

-------------Elliott----Morrisson--------


Doyle on for Morrisson at half time and Murphy on for Elliott with 15 mins to go.

We would have no direct replacements for LB or RB on the bench, apart from Kelly who I don't rate. So a bit of shuffel would be needed if we still want to experiment a bit. Take McGeady off after 60 mins or so (unless he's having a stormer) Move Carr to RMF, move Finnan to RB and Kilbane to LB and bring on Alan O'Brien to play at LMF (seems he's in the squad we should throw him in there and see if he sinks or swims).

Then bring on Miller in the last 15-20 mins for Kav.
So, the team at the the end of the game would be.

----------------------Kenny---------------------

Finnan----O'Brien-----O'Shea-----Kilbane

Carr-----Miller-----Reid-----Alan O'Brien

-----------Doyle-----Murphy------------
cavan_fan
16/08/2006, 6:28 PM
Starting line up is as expected

Rep of Ireland: Kenny, Carr, Andrew O'Brien, O'Shea, Kilbane, Finnan, Reid, Kavanagh, McGeady, Morrison, Elliott.
Subs: Douglas, Miller, Kelly, Henderson, Alan O'Brien, Murphy, Doyle.

Am I the only one looking forward to this. Albeit we are missing our best players, there is a chance for some new guys.
Qwerty
16/08/2006, 6:54 PM
Just you and Mick Byrne.
Gareth
16/08/2006, 7:10 PM
FAI updates still dont have the goal or am I missing it onscreen?
sligoman
16/08/2006, 7:15 PM
FAI updates still dont have the goal or am I missing it onscreen?It's there for me:

"8:12 PM: It was no surprise when Netherlands went in front after 24 minutes after their new international, the 23 years old Klaas Jan Huntelaar had the ball in the Irish net only to be whistled back for offside. The incident occurred when Robben raced in behind Carr onto a superb pass from Van Der Vaart and his shot from 12 yards was brilliantly parried by goalkeeper Paddy Kenny. Kenny was left helpless when the rebound fell for Huntelaar to turn it into the net but the referee's whistle cut short their celebrations. The whistle merely delayed the inetivable, however, for in less than a minute Netherlands were back to take a goal that stood. A corner from the right wing by Van Persie was met by the flying Huntelaar for a header that fairly flew into the roof of the Irish net."
strangeirish
16/08/2006, 7:18 PM
2-0 now
Gareth
16/08/2006, 7:18 PM
Yeah but the goal was scored on 7:55 :)
Qwerty
16/08/2006, 7:29 PM
This will have the hacks going to the record books I'm afraid, a drubbing is likely unless Holland make a lot of substitutions at the half.
steno
16/08/2006, 7:45 PM
Worst performance in ages 3-0!:(
Closed Account 2
16/08/2006, 7:56 PM
Bad, very bad, on tonight's evidence we are a very poor side
Closed Account 2
16/08/2006, 8:02 PM
4-0 now and the Germans are hammering the Swedes
ken foree
16/08/2006, 8:02 PM
chile redux?
Dan K
16/08/2006, 8:11 PM
All of a sudden being at work and unable to watch the game seems like a blessing.
Fergie's Son
16/08/2006, 8:16 PM
Went and watched the first half then left.

We can't keep possession.

We can't defend.

When we did attack we hoofed the ball up to two small forwards. Not a chance.

We're not good enough. Can't believe just how much $$ I am wasting in Germany now :(
gloryglorygufc
16/08/2006, 8:16 PM
Have to say its very embarrassing. We have nothing. Only poor dutch finishing is keeping this out of the record books. Worst home defeat in over 20 years
Gareth
16/08/2006, 8:17 PM
No investment at home = sh1t international team eventually. 1966 was that last 4-0. vs Germany!!!