Charlton interested in Dicker: The Sun [Archive]

thegit

20/02/2006, 12:55 PM

I think it's could by Myler, i also heard Paul Byrne is about a month away from full fitness if all goes to plan for him. There was some english club's in for Dicker as well I heard, UCD will find it hard to hold onto him and Quigley this year.

Schumi

20/02/2006, 1:29 PM

I wasn't at the match so can't make any comments on the performance but I think it's a little premature to be worrying about the team after one friendly. Monaghan had played a few friendlies already so were always going to be more match fit and sharp.

I think it's could by MylerHmm. He hasn't been great for Longford since he went there. He did well in Drogheda though so hopefully he could recreate that form again. We are a bit desperate too I suppose.

There was some english clubs in for Dicker as well I heard, UCD will find it hard to hold onto him and Quigley this year.I presume there'd be decent money due in compensation though.

Student Mullet

20/02/2006, 3:45 PM

I think it's could by MylerBrilliant. He's still the coolest player to have played in Belfield.

There was some english club's in for Dicker as well I heard, UCD will find it hard to hold onto him and Quigley this year.They're on 2 year contracts aren't they? And still under 23 so we should get a good few bob if either go.

thegit

20/02/2006, 3:56 PM

I know but who do you replace them with ?
Thats the thing with UCD they get good young players because they play
them, whens the last time they had a big signing ? It's a shame really because with the likes of Quigley, Hurley, Dicker, Kenna and Byrne as well as some of the more experienced players they have, and 2 or 3 more good signings they could really have a team thats challenging.

pineapple stu

20/02/2006, 10:31 PM

They're on 2 year contracts aren't they? And still under 23 so we should get a good few bob if either go.
Yeah, they're entering the second year of a two-year contract. We seem to have changed to two-year contracts lately, which is good. I've heard Tranmere were sniffing around for one.

I wouldn't be too downhearted about players leaving for English clubs - there's not much we can do, and it's great publicity for what a spell at UCD can do for your career. I suppose as long as we can keep finding players like Quigley, Dicker, Hurley, Finn, etc. - and we've been getting them with much more regularity than ever before of late, I think - we'll continue to punch above our weight. Then there's the U-21s - champions twice in a row - and players like Jimmy Lee Matthews signing from England...

Still, badly need a forward. Wouldn't want to be relying too much on Paul Byrne for next season purely on the basis of nine games!

thegit

21/02/2006, 9:23 AM

In today's Sun there's a piece about Charlton looking at Gary Dicker. Pete Mahon say's he going no where until the end of the season in the interview which is great for UCD but Would it not be better to sell him before his contract runs out?

Schumi

21/02/2006, 10:57 AM

We seem to have changed to two-year contracts lately
Can I take credit for this after my fanzine article a couple of years ago?

In today's Sun there's a piece about Charlton looking at Gary Dicker. Pete Mahon say's he going no where until the end of the season in the interview which is great for UCD but Would it not be better to sell him before his contract runs out?Charlton, wow!

I don't know if we'd lose out on much money by holding on to him until the end of his contract as we'll still be due compensation because he'll still be under 23.

thegit

21/02/2006, 11:02 AM

yeah but surely theres a difference between someone buying out a contract and just getting compensation. It's a nice position for UCD to be in if they can afford to wait.

Poor Student

21/02/2006, 11:04 AM

I think it's better for both the club and Gary that he stays until the end of the season. His development will fare better playing first team games here than English reserve football. He's even managed to tie down a place in the national setup playing for UCD. Let us just hope that he gets some competitive U-21 caps so we have a good arguing point in any tribunal. Cherry Orchard will also be due some of the fee.

thegit

21/02/2006, 11:09 AM

I doubt any club in England would take a player from the eircom league to sit on the bench especially after what Kevin Doyle has achieved, I do agree though he is better playing in the eircom league than reserve in England.

Schumi

21/02/2006, 11:10 AM

yeah but surely theres a difference between someone buying out a contract and just getting compensation.
I don't know too much about the ins and outs of it but I'd imagine buying out the contract is just a matter of them making an offer. If it's substantially above what we'd get in compensation, it might be too good to turn down. Otherwise having a premiership standard player :cool: in the team for a year would probably be worth more than the difference. Don't forget the pretty small fees that Kevin Doyle and Wes Hoolahan went to Britain for, we're not going to be offered 500k or anything close.

thegit

21/02/2006, 11:30 AM

I think it will be a long time before any Eircom team get 500k for a player, and I doubt the offer will be to good to turn down. The clubs should be looking at what they can get at the back end of the deal. Like selling on and full international call ups and such!

Schumi

21/02/2006, 11:38 AM

I think it will be a long time before any Eircom team get 500k for a player, and I doubt the offer will be to good to turn down.Exactly so we may as well hold onto him for another year as the amount of money due won't be much less.

The clubs should be looking at what they can get at the back end of the deal. Like selling on and full international call ups and such!
That's a good point. Is it possible to add these on to a compensation package?

Am I right in thinking that we'd be due some portion of any future sales in the same way as schoolboy clubs are?

Poor Student

21/02/2006, 11:40 AM

Exactly so we may as well hold onto him for another year as the amount of money due won't be much less.

That's a good point. Is it possible to add these on to a compensation package?

Am I right in thinking that we'd be due some portion of any future sales in the same way as schoolboy clubs are?

To the best of my knowledge anyone who is deemed to have had a hand in developing the player and invested some time and money into him is due a portion of any future sale. I think Crumlin Utd. get a piece of every Robbie Keane sale. Maybe someone can put up the official guidlines on this?

Git, are you a fan of the college?

thegit

21/02/2006, 11:46 AM

I'm not to sure, I think maybe you might get something on the first sale after that it would end I think ?

No poor student I'm a St Pat's fan, I have to say though I do like UCD and it would be a shame to see them break up if this new league thing happens.
Without UCD players like Dicker Quigley Byrne and such would be warming the bench for the likes of Shels.

Schumi

21/02/2006, 11:54 AM

Poor Student

21/02/2006, 12:12 PM

No poor student I'm a St Pat's fan

What do you think of getting Anto Murphy back? I'm sorry to see him go.

thegit

21/02/2006, 12:18 PM

not to much really he seems to be a nice chap but he's a bit hot and cold,and at times he's a bit of a loose canon. He makes a good squad player i suppose.

Bald Student

21/02/2006, 12:20 PM

To the best of my knowledge anyone who is deemed to have had a hand in developing the player and invested some time and money into him is due a portion of any future sale. I think Crumlin Utd. get a piece of every Robbie Keane sale. Maybe someone can put up the official guidlines on this?

Git, are you a fan of the college?I think the rule is that 5% of the transfer fee gets divided between each club he was at on the basis of how many birthdays he spent at the club between 12 and 21. So, for example, if a player was with UCD for 3 years, UCD would get 30% of 5% of each transfer.

pineapple stu

21/02/2006, 12:29 PM

Kevin Doyle was actually bought (as opposed to an U-23 Bosman) was he? I think Cork have a clause that they'd get extra if (when) he gets an international cap.

If Gary were to move to a Premiership team (like Charlton), and what with him being only 19 now and with three U-21 caps, including one as captain and one goal, I wonder are we getting ahead of ourselves talking about compensation for Gaz getting a senior cap?

That percentage of subsequent sales is actually very very small. Imagine Gary scoring the winning goal for Charlton in the FA Cup Final against Chelsea, who subsequently buy him for �17m - we'd still only get �17m * 5% * 20% = �170k. Though I suppose it's better than a kick in the teeth, which is what we'd have gotten under the old rules.

Anyway, let's return this thread to planet Earth...!

Schumi

21/02/2006, 12:35 PM

Kevin Doyle was actually bought (as opposed to an U-23 Bosman) was he?He was bought. There was a minimum fee clause in his contract.

If Gary were to move to a Premiership team (like Charlton), and what with him being only 19 now and with three U-21 caps, including one as captain and one goal, I wonder are we getting ahead of ourselves talking about compensation for Gaz getting a senior cap?We probably are but I don't think it's completely out of the question.

That percentage of subsequent sales is actually very very small. Imagine Gary scoring the winning goal for Charlton in the FA Cup Final against Chelsea, who subsequently buy him for �17m - we'd still only get �17m * 5% * 20% = �170k. Though I suppose it's better than a kick in the teeth, which is what we'd have gotten under the old rules.To put that in context though, that would be a record sum for a transfer fee from the EL, never mind money for a transfer with nothing to do with us.

thegit

21/02/2006, 12:36 PM

you have to remember as well he with you only a year or so. So it's not like UCD moulded him for years or spent a whole lot on his wages, but i suppose the one thing they did do was give him a platform to play on, bit was that out of choice or have they got no one else to play. Either way I'm sure UCD will get back what they spent and more. How long was Doyle at Cork for ?

pineapple stu

21/02/2006, 12:39 PM

Doyle signed at the start of the 2004 season from Pat's and left I think ten games or so into the 2005 season. Cork got money because he was under contract, not because of the U-23, two-year-stay rule.

thegit

21/02/2006, 12:49 PM

well it wasn't bad business for Cork really was it ? The fact is there not Reading and never will be, and the player wanted to go. And I think if a young Irish player gets offered the chance to play at a higher level in there head there gone already. I'm sure cork are p****d off at how much Doyle is worth now but they couldn't offer him that platform even if he stayed with them all his career, he would never be worth the money he is now.

pineapple stu

21/02/2006, 12:56 PM

Fairly short article...I'll post it up as I can't find any link.

Charlton plan to watch UCD's teen star Gary Dicker again this week.
Dicker's performances for Ireland's victorious under-21 side at the Madeira tournament last week have not gone unnoticed.
Charlton's Portuguese scout took a particular shine to the 19-year-old midfielder.
The Premiership club are now set to watch him very closely, starting with the under-21 friendly with Sweden at United Park next Tuesday.
UCD boss Pete Mahon said "I was pleased to hear both Gary and Darren did well in Madeira. They played a big part.
"Gary's under contract here until the end of the year. When the time comes, we'll sit down with Gary, his parents and the directors of the club here and we'll speak to any interested parties."

Realistically, if we got another good season out of Gaz - who'll be here three years in November, not two, so you can add 50% to the figure I worked out above... - got E100k say and brought Ronan Finn though, who looks a very similar player, I suppose we couldn't complain too much.

thegit

21/02/2006, 1:04 PM

i taught last year was his first full year? im sure if a good offer comes in though he'll be gone, Pete Mahon said he was under contract he didn't say he will see it out, he said when the time comes. At the moment its seems like it's only talk! if a sloid offer comes in UCD could be without him before the season starts. I wonder how long it would be for Quigley to be snapped up.

Poor Student

21/02/2006, 1:08 PM

The transfer window won't open again for English clubs until August I think, so he'll be around for a while. I can't tell you the exact date young Gary joined but he was certainly there the season before last when we won the First Division. He definitely scored a goal of two and figure somewhat towards the end of the season.

pineapple stu

21/02/2006, 1:14 PM

I thought last year was his first full year?
He made his debut in the League Cup Quarter-final against Bohs in about June 2004 - probably had just signed at that stage. Alan Cawley also joined mid-way through a season, but the club back-dated his contract to the start of the season, so Dicker would probably technically be with us two years already.

Bald Student

21/02/2006, 1:43 PM

He made his debut in the League Cup Quarter-final against Bohs in about June 2004 - probably had just signed at that stage. Alan Cawley also joined mid-way through a season, but the club back-dated his contract to the start of the season, so Dicker would probably technically be with us two years already.That back dated contract rule was changed as a result of the Cawley incident.

The way I see it, if Charlton want him they won't wait out his contract to save themselves money which, to them, is quite small.

thegit

21/02/2006, 1:57 PM

yeah i taught so it seems like a bit of a mad rule alright ... I'm sure if Charlton want him they'll get him, who knows he could be at UCD for another year, talk is cheap and things fall apart all the time in football.

pineapple stu

21/02/2006, 9:45 PM

Thread on the Charlton Athletic forum (http://www.cafc-fans.co.uk/yoursay/viewforum.php?f=1) about him.

pete

21/02/2006, 9:56 PM

Thread on the Charlton Athletic forum (http://www.cafc-fans.co.uk/yoursay/viewforum.php?f=1) about him.

Link below may save time searching that forum.

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I wouldn't take much notice of what they have to say anyway as some guy thinks Reading signed "Foyle from the Irish League"

:rolleyes:

pineapple stu

21/02/2006, 10:00 PM

Yep, good call, sorry...

In fairness, only one person called him that, and I don't think they keep that close an eye on the First Division or the eircom League. Plus it could easily have been a typo.

A face

21/02/2006, 10:58 PM

Dicker impresses Charlton scouts

Charlton Athletic are interesting in signing UCD midfielder Gary Dicker after the 20-year-old impressed scouts at the Madeira International Tournament.

Dicker was one of the stars as the Republic of Ireland Under 21s won the prestigious tournament in Madeira last week and Charlton sco uts were quick to relay reports back to Addicks boss Alan Curbishley.

Read more at www.breakingnews.ie (http://www.breakingnews.ie/story.asp?j=166343639&p=y663443y6&n=166344318&x=)

thegit

22/02/2006, 9:11 AM

If he does well next week in the U21 match it looks like he could be off.

thegit

22/02/2006, 2:19 PM

Just seen this link on skysports.

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=365728&CPID=8&clid=&lid=3098&title=Addicks+eye+Irish+gem

HarpoJoyce

22/02/2006, 6:29 PM

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I wouldn't take much notice of what they have to say anyway as some guy thinks Reading signed "Foyle from the Irish League"

:rolleyes:

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thegit

23/02/2006, 1:01 PM

yeah and from what i read on the charlton forum they didn't seem to bothered about a price like that.... If UCD got money like that for the lad they'd be sorted for the year....;)

DmanDmythDledge

24/02/2006, 10:38 PM

I think it would be more beneficial for Dicker to move to a Championship team, play regularly and gain experience(Kevin Doyle) rather than moving to Charlton and playing reserve football.