SRFC v DCFC [Archive] - Page 4

NY Hoop

23/11/2005, 3:36 PM

Oh for ****s sake. For anyone who was at the game last night will know that we are down. Case closed. We are/were awful, diabolical and were deservedly beaten on the night by an average, hard working side.

If we stay up I'll eat Damiens hat. The 8 point deduction because of the previous boards disgraceful incompetence was the root of all this coupled with Roddy telling all and sundry that we were safe despite the players not being fit:mad:

Premier clubs enjoy CHF cos it could be a long time before we're back.

KOH

manic da hoop

23/11/2005, 3:42 PM

Block G Raptor

23/11/2005, 4:10 PM

You can never truely miss something until it's gone. Trust me, after a year enduring mind-numbing, souless games against CHF they'll be praying for us to win the First Division.

BTW that suggestion of a 22 team single division doesn't seem all that hair-brained now:o

Come on lads have faith in your team

It will be all the more pleasent for us if u think you are going to stay up :D

ah no but seriously I hope you do make a swift return ...............I'd say 10 years should be swift enough for me :D

WeAreRovers

23/11/2005, 4:11 PM

BTW that suggestion of a 22 team single division doesn't seem all that hair-brained now:o

It's not a suggestion, it's a highly likely proposition. Officials at 3 clubs have said it to me. At the moment only one club looks like getting a full licence next year. Although the other rumour doing the rounds is that they'll bottle it again and use Genesis as an excuse to bring it in in 2007.

I'd still hate to be relegated even if we did stay up on a technicality. That would be like Bohs - never relegated but re-elected a record 16 times. AFAIK they even did a 6-in-a-row around the time we were winning 6 cups on the trot.

KOH

PS Will someone get a bottle of whiskey and a loaded gun for NY Hoop...............

Block G Raptor

23/11/2005, 4:13 PM

PS Will someone get a bottle of whiskey and a loaded gun for NY Hoop...............

On the Way:D :D :D

Bohs - never relegated but re-elected a record 16 times. AFAIK they even did a 6-in-a-row around the time we were winning 6 cups on the trot.

KOH
same old rovers living in the past
face it your glory days are over and will never return
if you dont get out of the 1st straight away i really feel that the club will dissappear (and that my friend would be a sad day for Irish football.. Friday will not be )

thomas

23/11/2005, 4:15 PM

It's not a suggestion, it's a highly likely proposition. Officials at 3 clubs have said it to me. At the moment only one club looks like getting a full licence next year. Although the other rumour doing the rounds is that they'll bottle it again and use Genesis as an excuse to bring it in in 2007.

I'd still hate to be relegated even if we did stay up on a technicality. That would be like Bohs - never relegated but re-elected a record 16 times. AFAIK they even did a 6-in-a-row around the time we were winning 6 cups on the trot.

KOH

PS Will someone get a bottle of whiskey and a loaded gun for NY Hoop...............

One problem/good thing with a league ruled by self interest is that we are now self interested to pus through a structure that will keep us up.

WAR, I presume you mean WE are the only club getting a license so far?

WeAreRovers

23/11/2005, 4:23 PM

WAR, I presume you mean WE are the only club getting a license so far?

"Thomas", you know as well as I do that I would never comment on official SRFC business. ;)

KOH

Roverstillidie

23/11/2005, 4:57 PM

is the technicality not the 8 point deduction?

WeAreRovers

23/11/2005, 4:59 PM

I'm not sure what you mean but if it's basically that you'ld prefer us to be relegated fair and square like men if results go that way than a joke 22 team division next year, then I agree.

That's exactly what I meant.

KOH

dfx-

23/11/2005, 5:24 PM

mypost

23/11/2005, 5:44 PM

Okay lets do a quick survey:

Club Colours
Home Farm: Royal Blue and White
Dublin City: Sky Blue & Navy

Home Ground
Home Farm: Own Whitehall
Dublin City: Rent Whitehall

Fan Base
Home Farm: Parents and family of the players
Dublin City: A small group of enthusiastic supporters has been garnered bit by bit over the last few years. although there is probably about 10/15 people who are a hang over from the Home Farm days.

Dublin City and Home Farm have extremely close ties, but they are not and never where the same thing. Every Dublin City fan would love to have Home Farm's history and heritage, but we don't we are now creating our own.

In 5 seasons, we have challenged for promotion for the first three years, finally winning the title in 2003. a number of factors saw us relegated in 2004, and now we are 90 minutes away from securing our top flight status again. Not bad for a nothing club.

Granted, there are a few changes, but changes happen at every club over time. It's for the reasons highlighted in Bold, why I see your club as no different to Home Farm. Also, as a supporter of a rival Dublin club, I personally find your club's official title offensive, and why I refuse to recognise it.

Furthermore, you wear predominantly the same colours as before, (i.e. blue), you play in the same ground, you have the same fan base (numbers), and your team continue to yo-yo up and down the divisions as before. Therefore, I see no difference between your real name, and it's official title. So I will continue to refer to your club as Home Farm, period.

Mr A

23/11/2005, 6:16 PM

BTW that suggestion of a 22 team single division doesn't seem all that hair-brained now

It's not a suggestion, it's a highly likely proposition. Officials at 3 clubs have said it to me. At the moment only one club looks like getting a full licence next year. Although the other rumour doing the rounds is that they'll bottle it again and use Genesis as an excuse to bring it in in 2007.

So it'll be a 22 team first division- everyone gets relegated! Once again Harps show the way by embracing the future before anyone else. :D

Seriously though, if they're* going to do it they should do it next year, it'll make a joke of next season if everyone knows it's totally meaningless!

*- By 'they' I mean our clubs as they run the eL. That's the scary part.

mypost

23/11/2005, 6:19 PM

Yes, the game goes to extra time if it's level.

Rovers can win 1-0, win on penalties, have scored one goal in the 120 minutes and stay up, which was his point.

At last, someone with their head screwed on regarding the situation.

mypost

23/11/2005, 6:28 PM

Throwing anything at opposition fans is wrong. As I said, just because you have seen worse doesn't make this right.

Just because it's wrong, doesn't make it necessarily newsworthy either.

Your argument is that it needs to be of a grave or very serious magnitude before it is worth discussing.

Which it does. If everyone whinged about every perceived slight during a match, every game would be played behind closed doors. Considering that you take grave exception to a couple of kids nut-throwing, where do you stand on missile firing, punch-ups, pitch invasions, riots, stabbings??? :confused: Now they are instances of serious crowd trouble, and should be highlighted.

I think that in itself says something.

Like what?? :confused: Elaborate please.

Poor Student

23/11/2005, 7:42 PM

Roverstillidie

23/11/2005, 7:49 PM

What do you mean newsworthy? I mentioned this in the context of a discussion about security with Rovers in Belfield Park. I haven't reported it to the FAI, media, clubs etc. My point is, there is a problem with you, Rovers or the Irish game as a whole if you get angry over someone mentioning fans throwing stuff at opposition fans and are insistent in marginalising it in the context of worse actions. Just because worse things happen doesn't make this acceptable. What do you mean where do I stand on those other issues? You make it sound like considering them in a terrible light is something odd. You truly baffle me a lot mypost.:confused:

this is pathetic. someone threw nuts at you. so ****ing what. throw them back or give over.

you have been on about it for 2 days and not 1 post of support. its a non-incident.

we had huge threads on foot talking about non-events blown out of proportion. we have the herald, we dont need poor student ****stirring

Poor Student

23/11/2005, 8:37 PM

this is pathetic. someone threw nuts at you. so ****ing what. throw them back or give over.

you have been on about it for 2 days and not 1 post of support. its a non-incident.

we had huge threads on foot talking about non-events blown out of proportion. we have the herald, we dont need poor student ****stirring

Throw them back eh? Typical. Why would we sink to that low level? After all, am I not after saying that this is poor behaviour over and over again. This only goes on and on because Rovers fans, particularly mypost are berating me for mentioning it, you won't leave it lie and keep insisting I should not mention this and because worse things happen this shouldn't be discussed. I'm not blowing anything out of proportion. I gave my account of it as it was and said it was an example of poor behaviour by Rovers fans. Was it not? I didn't ask for anyone to be hanged or punished. Why do you have to keep harping on about it and getting angry that I have the audacity to actually mention it? This is typical Rovers persecution complex, you can't say boo about your club without having Rovers fans moaning about people complaining about them, the media getting wind etc. If you're so worried about it, then behave better. If you behave fine then there'll be nothing to worry about.

dfx-

23/11/2005, 8:52 PM

Poor Student

23/11/2005, 8:58 PM

Poor Student, I raised the issue on the Ultras site....that thread is no more as far as I can see...

From someone who was down there with the Rovers fans in the corner as the game ended, that for me was the pathetic behaviour - regardless of whether anything happened afterwards and whether it was handbags or not, Rovers fans are solely to blame for the *change in atmosphere* so to speak.

But then again, on an incident scale of 1-10, it was only a two wasn't it - hardly worth fighting over at all, lads....;) :rolleyes: :mad:

That's what I say dfx. I found the incident particularly annoying and disappointing given the context. A nothing game against a team you have no real grudge against. Why would they even do it? Does this not strike anyone as a problem? Not the seriousness incident itself but the mindset of people going to games. There no need for an inquiry, the lads will never be found anyway. I just found it indicative and representative of poor behaviour. There's no need to berate me over it. The same poster John83 was telling me how passing by Rovers fans on the way into Dalymount he overheard two older Rovers fans sadly lamenting over how Rovers are supposed to be a family club and how they weren't happy about the atmosphere at the club anymore.

dfx-

23/11/2005, 9:09 PM

Why would they even do it? Does this not strike anyone as a problem?

From what I heard - it doesn't take a genius, BSC fans/thugs were spotted in the shed....and some Rovers fans just couldn't resist it and/or leave them alone......:rolleyes:

Very rarely have I, a usual Rovers fan who have defended some actions on this site, felt that uncomfortable because of the hoods-up, scarves-hiding-their-identity young men (for what lads? If it was a non-event - what were they hiding their faces for? And why were those very same people running away at Doyle's Corner after the match if it was only nothing?) and general, utterly utterly pointless, unjustified abuse at people just standing behind a goal celebrating potentially their rivals going down...:confused:

Whether it was nothing or not, I know what *my* lasting memory of that match will be...:rolleyes:

Poor Student

23/11/2005, 9:12 PM

From what I heard - it doesn't take a genius, BSC fans/thugs were spotted in the shed....and some Rovers fans just couldn't resist it and/or leave them alone......:rolleyes:

Are we talking about the same game here? UCD v Shamrock Rovers last week in Belfield. Not Rovers v Dublin City at Dayler.

dfx-

23/11/2005, 9:19 PM

Nope...But whatever match we are on about, we both have justifiable complaints about Rovers fans - twice in a week.

There is no such thing as a non-incident. There was no extreme policing, there was no delayed crowd leaving, there was hardly anyone there at Belfield never mind a reason to do anything and as for last night, well you can see above my opinion.

The crux is:

New Board.......................................Same few fans..........new (difficult as I've said before)policy of banning.................................same few fans...it is not working.

Even *I* could pick them out if they need me to....:rolleyes:

Poor Student

23/11/2005, 9:24 PM

The crux is:

New Board.......................................Same few fans..........new (difficult as I've said before)policy of banning.................................same few fans...it is not working.

What's the story there? Do they have no desire to do it? Don't want to alienate potential customers or what?

Dodge

23/11/2005, 9:29 PM

What's the story there? Do they have no desire to do it? Don't want to alienate potential customers or what?
Realise they are no potential customers and don't want to alienate existing fans. That and some of them now ownthe club...

Kowalski

23/11/2005, 9:39 PM

Can somebody delete these?

Kowalski

23/11/2005, 9:42 PM

and this, apologies.

dfx-

23/11/2005, 9:44 PM

They're simply not seemingly picking out the right ones even if they are banning them....when CHF scored their first last night a can of Red Bull (?) was thrown onto the pitch...........that's ok though - the stewards standing right in front of them, looking at them, didn't bat an eyelid.:rolleyes:

It may again be a 'nonincident' to term some people's turn of phrase.....but that's the sort of thing where more serious matters build. No arrest needs to be made so everything is ok, isn't it - by some people's interpretations (mypost?:rolleyes: )

It was blatently obvious that they would at least try and 'throw handbags' after the match...and seemingly it was just bubble under the surface - then one steward came along and thought - well maybe we "should beef the line up a bit in front of the Shed"...

I know if some of my friends from college - 'barstoolers' - were convinced enough to go, they wouldn't have considered it a non-incident..maybe because of the unfair criticism on Rovers fans is so great that some people just refuse to admit when we have done something..

I'm afraid to say it with but some people are too engrossed in the '12th man attitude' and can't see some reality right in front of their face..because they were people there last night who either had no intention of being or acting like a 12th man or got distracted by BSC. Either way is as bad as each other. Mistaken/Misplaced passion for the club - they themselves see it as the 12th man, others don't.

mypost

24/11/2005, 4:54 AM

What do you mean newsworthy?

You obviously consider it newsworthy as,

I mentioned this.

As a Rovers fan who was there, and who saw nothing unusual at the game regarding our support, I demanded to know what was your issue with the conduct of our fans? I was expecting a collegeload of whinging over attempted assaults, flying missiles, and/or a barrage of behaviour in an abusive/threatening manner. Instead what was the answer I got? A few immature kids threw a couple of harmless nuts near 1 of your fans. With due respect, that is the flimsiest accusation of crowd trouble I have ever heard made against our fans.

My point is, there is a problem with you, Rovers or the Irish game as a whole if you get angry over someone mentioning fans throwing stuff at opposition fans and are insistent in marginalising it in the context of worse actions.

Of course I got angry. This "incident" is a non event. I will accept that Rovers fans are not angels, but some clubs' fans take the pis, when making exaggerated allegations of abuse against our supporters. When they do so, I and other Rovers fans rightly, get annoyed. That kind of rationale, got us threatened with a ban from Longford's ground, allows club chairmen to make allegations at matches against our fans who never turned up, allows Cork journos to write unfounded accusations in the media about our fans' behaviour, and allows neutrals to brand all our fans as scum. So yes, we have a right to be angry about it. Our fans will not accept smear campaigns made against us on the grounds of, at best flimsy, and usually, no evidence.

Just because worse things happen doesn't make this acceptable.

I admit, nut-throwing is wrong. However, in the list of offences at football games, I classify the offence of nut-throwing, along the same lines as fans swearing, and throwing rolls on pitches. All of which are also wrong. But they hardly warrant arrests, or fines.

You make it sound like considering them in a terrible light is something odd.

When you have witnessed the trouble I have seen at games over the years, you would consider a few harmless nuts thrown as a minor inconvenience, and not crowd trouble as you, and fans of other clubs like yours like to portray.

You truly baffle me a lot mypost.

How anyone regards nut-throwing as crowd trouble at a match baffles me too.

Snoop Drog

24/11/2005, 5:05 AM

I admit, nut-throwing is wrong.

Unless it's coconuts...

Bald Student

24/11/2005, 10:32 AM

To be fair to poor student he never exagerated the incedent. He called it nut-throwing from his first or second post. It's not a serious incident but if I've paid a tenner into a game I want to be able to watch it without having nuts thrown at me. On a scale from one to ten, it's as annoying as having someone in Lansdown give out to you for singing at a match.

Poor Student

24/11/2005, 11:01 AM

Mypost, you've lost all scope of the discussion. Here was my initial post on the matter:

Seeming as even the small number that turned up managed to throw something at us for no reason, something I've never seen happen at Belfield, it's hardly complete and utter rubbish.

That is by no means an emphatic statement of any sort. "Hardly complete and utter rubbish" is all I said. When asked to explain further I gave an account of the incident, I did not exaggurate, I called it as it went. You're trying to turn this back on me but you have made the mountain out of a molehill here. You take exception that I would have the audacity to insinuate your fans are not angels (which is all about I did!) and you go off on one.

thomas

24/11/2005, 11:09 AM

DFX is posting rubbish. The srfc board have acted when required. Since then there have been no incidents and our home fans base has gone from 1,100 to 1,600 in the mean time. Despite performances on the pitch.

WeAreRovers

24/11/2005, 1:54 PM

That and some of them now ownthe club...

That's worthy of our gypo friends. If you weren't a top class sh�t-stirrer I'd be offended. ;)

KOH

Dodge

24/11/2005, 3:13 PM

That's worthy of our gypo friends. If you weren't a top class sh�t-stirrer I'd be offended. ;)

Still knew you couldn't leave it alone though...

WeAreRovers

24/11/2005, 3:59 PM

Still knew you couldn't leave it alone though...

Well, it had my name written all over it........D'oh, did it again!

KOH

blueviking1980

24/11/2005, 5:04 PM

Granted, there are a few changes, but changes happen at every club over time. It's for the reasons highlighted in Bold, why I see your club as no different to Home Farm. Also, as a supporter of a rival Dublin club, I personally find your club's official title offensive, and why I refuse to recognise it.

Furthermore, you wear predominantly the same colours as before, (i.e. blue), you play in the same ground, you have the same fan base (numbers), and your team continue to yo-yo up and down the divisions as before. Therefore, I see no difference between your real name, and it's official title. So I will continue to refer to your club as Home Farm, period.

The same(ish) colour of jerseys is purley coincidental, with the newly created name of 'Dublin City FC' involved we were hardly gonna have red or pink.

We are renting Whitehall. Ya seem to be just lookin for reasons.. :rolleyes:

Offended by our title? Just coz ya's didn't think of 'Dublin Rovers' first! :p

It might look like we, as ya said 'yo-yo Divisions' but looks like you'll just 'yo' into a a Division now & stay there... u'll find 1st Division harder than Premier! LOL! ;)

mypost

24/11/2005, 5:22 PM

The same(ish) colour of jerseys is purley coincidental, with the newly created name of 'Dublin City FC' involved we were hardly gonna have red or pink.

It is not coincidental. Blue was always your colour, and always will be Home Farm's colour.

We are renting Whitehall.
Couldn't care less, tbh. :cool:

but looks like you'll just 'yo' into a a Division now & stay there... u'll find 1st Division harder than Premier!

Celebrating promotion already, I take it. :rolleyes: If we score the next goal in the tie, it's all to play for again. That will be a right dampener. Up for it??

blueviking1980

24/11/2005, 5:52 PM

It is not coincidental. Blue was always your colour, and always will be Home Farm's colour.

Couldn't care less, tbh. :cool:

Celebrating promotion already, I take it. :rolleyes: If we score the next goal in the tie, it's all to play for again. That will be a right dampener. Up for it??

Im up for it 10 fold let alone it's our turn at 'Home'... How ya feel bout a shoot-out... & I mean penos, not fans takin cover ;)

bigmac

24/11/2005, 5:59 PM

It is not coincidental. Blue was always your colour, and always will be Home Farm's colour.

Are you serious? It's a blatant attempt to copy the Dublin GAA colours for marketing purposes! FFS, if DC tried to claim they were a continuation of Home Farm then the same people would be on here nit picking over how they're a totally different club :rolleyes:

mypost

24/11/2005, 6:25 PM

it's our turn at 'Home'... How ya feel bout a shoot-out... & I mean penos

Jaysus :confused: , we're really put out by travelling the extraordinary, back-breaking distance, of about 2 kms to Tolka. Long trip!! :rolleyes:

As we'll have roughly 90% of the support, it will feel like another home game to us. Wouldn't have any complaints about facing penalties if necessary, I'd happily take them now.

FYI, we won our last shoot-out at Tolka, against Cherry Orchard in the LSC, in 2000. :)

dfx-

24/11/2005, 6:47 PM

As we'll have roughly 90% of the support, it will feel like another home game to us. Wouldn't have any complaints about facing penalties if necessary, I'd happily take them now.

FYI, we won our last shoot-out at Tolka, against Cherry Orchard in the LSC, in 2000. :)

Doesn't the bold text not make you realise how bad we are?:rolleyes:

And how a team did 5 years ago in an LSC game matters not one iota to the rubbish we have ben served up or more likely will be on Friday.:rolleyes: