Odds on Troussier slashed

[NeilMcD]

I know Brady was of the view that it was a negative bringing Roy Keane back. However I am have not heard in concrete terms how bringing Roy Keane back was a bad idea or how it could have a negative effect on the squad. A lot of the squad talked an awful lot about how much they learnt from him etc. However I do agree that he did not produce anythingnear the perormances of the 2001 campaign. However I top he was top class against France at home and had a shaky 20 minutes againsts Switzerland away. Israel he was decent. I do think that if we had of had him and Duff against teh Swiss at home we would have won.

[Karlos]

I know Brady was of the view that it was a negative bringing Roy Keane back. However I am have not heard in concrete terms how bringing Roy Keane back was a bad idea or how it could have a negative effect on the squad. A lot of the squad talked an awful lot about how much they learnt from him etc. However I do agree that he did not produce anythingnear the perormances of the 2001 campaign. However I top he was top class against France at home and had a shaky 20 minutes againsts Switzerland away. Israel he was decent. I do think that if we had of had him and Duff against teh Swiss at home we would have won.

I agree with you......I'm not sure it had a negative effect on the team as such but wondering more if it had a knock on effect on Kerr's position as manager. I'm not totally sure if there's some original members of the saipan fun and games still about in the FAI who mightn't have been too hot on the idea in the first place.

In fairness to Roy and I'm not one of his biggest fans, he played as well as anyone else did over the campaign. Duff however was a disapointment for me - maybe expecting too much from him but i haven't really seen hm deliver competively in a long while.

[klein4]

I thought it was the right thing to do to bring keane back. Small country,Limited resources, pick your best players available.I think Brady should be a legend in this country after his playing career but he just comes accross as such an unlikeable bitter person.what about his assertion that the next manager should be keane after him saying all along that he should never have been allowed back to play for them? now he thinks he should be manager...bit of P.R. from liamo.....

[Dotsy]

I don't agree that Brady is a bitter man. He was one of our all time best players, gave everthing for his country when he played and was denied the chance to play in a major finals by a combination of suspension/injury. I think his feeling about the Saipan incident was that Roy should have held fire until after the finals. Brady would have given his right arm to play in them and i think he feels Keane should have put that before any other consideration at the time. Brady used to come home from Italy and play in every mickey mouse friendly that was organised at a time when it took alot more effort and time to make the journey. He would have still got his game even if he hadn't bothered to turn uop for the friendlies. I don't necessarily agree with his opinion on Keane coming back to play but he at least calls it as he sees it, not like some. The issue of Keane as manager is a different issue. I think the fact that Brady thinks he would be good as manager shows he isn't bitter and doesn't hold grudges.

[klein4]

the article in last weeks tribune were he says he wants keane to be manager was so dripping in back handed compliments it was unreal....he is always very negative when it comes to the irish team as well no matter who the manager is..giles always calls it as he sees it but he isnt a bitter oul fart about it like brady..

[NeilMcD]

I was in a pub recently and Brady had a pint of Stout so I can confirm that he is not a Bitter man

I will get my coat

[Dotsy]

I don't think Brady is negative. He's just honest about what is a very poor team.
I have alot of time for Giles also.

[OwlsFan]

On the question of the new FAI logo, needless to say I like it. It amalgamates the FAI into Ireland and the football is in the shape of the shamrock. It's quite clever and distictive. I don't actually have a jersey with the new logo which I suspect is harder for counterfeiters to copy but I do have a jersey with the old logo, which is my Avatar, but which I bought in the last few years - they were selling old replica jerseys and it has no sponsors name across the chest. However, the old logo is very simplistic and easily copied and non distictive.

It is the logo worn by the national team which plays its football under the auspicies of the FAI. For all those "I hate the FAI heads", it doesn't mean you support the FAI when you wear the logo. I've been at many club football games with fans chanting "sack the Board", with those fans wearing the logo of the club on their jerseys.

Some people suffer from Faiphobia.

[Stuttgart88]

Some people suffer from Faiphobia.
I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable.

Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!).

It's being clever for the sake of being clever, I hate it and it's an embarassment. I've worn it to the pub several times on match day and my non-Irish mates ask me "what the *** is that?" Why does our logo have to signify anything in some subliminal intangible artistic message connecting our history & our future? Some smartarse with a pencil incorporates footballs, shamrocks and rising stars into a clever drawing. Whoopy bleedin' ding.

It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

[klein4]

Paul Le Guen to be new rangers manager....so he is out of running

[geysir]

"Paul Le Guen to be new rangers manager....so he is out of running"

Fact or fiction? Considering he turned down an offer of a €2.5m job in France plus a few other jobs and is taking time out from coaching is there any substance to your statement?

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.


Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.


It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.


Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.