Odds on Troussier slashed

[Jerry The Saint]

If Kerr is such a great coach why hasn't he been appointed at ANY team in europe?

Give him a chance, he's only been unemployed for about a day and a half! I imagine he won't be short of options.

[wws]

If Kerr is such a great coach why hasn't he been appointed at ANY team in europe?

for a start he was the manager of the best team in europe. Saint Pats...after that its hard to find a similar profile gig.

definite dividing line between the Olés and the rest on here

I get the impression most of the Olés would get a milk bottle down their pants if someone even remotely connected with England gets the job.

hint: they use "fai" logos as avatars :D :D

[geysir]

Troussier factfile
1998: He leads Nigeria to their second World Cup but is sacked after the qualifying series
1998: Leads South Africa to World Cup in France
2001: Japan - Confederations Cup runners-up to Brazil
2002: World Cup co-hosts Japan knocked out by Turkey in last 16
Dec 2002: Approached for Republic of Ireland job
I seriously doubt Troussier's eligibility for the managers job. He isn't fit to walk in Kerr's shadow.
He is a mercenary first and foremost. The man has thrown so many hats around looking for a job.
Besides the info on that minimalist factfile.
He was on the shortlist of 6 for the Wales job after Hughes left.
He turned down China (salary reasons) and chose Qatar who went on to have a dismal time loosing to Indonesia, Iran and Jordan. Was sacked in the middle of the Asia tournament.
The conventional wisdom on his time in Marseilles is that the club regarded their season as a failure, he fell out with Lizerazou who left the club and never won over the supporters. Finishing 5th and out of the champions league.
Incidently Troussier received a lot of criticism for S.Africa's poor performances in the 98 WC. The most obvious were sending home 2 players for disciplinary reasons, team members thought it should have been handled differently.
Tactically, he insisted on playing the same team and refused to substitute exhausted players.
If he ends up anywhere near the job i will be inviting the Indo to do one of their "profiles" on him.

[Stuttgart88]

Good info.

[geysir]

Another thing about Troussier, does he not bear some resemblance to MON?http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/republic_of_ireland/2535273.stm
He is no substitute for the real thing:)

[wws]

what about Zico?

[Noelys Guitar]

So Kerr will back at the "greatest team" in Europe. I stand corrected!

[wws]

following a review of his performances in the meantime by 10 people who've never kicked a ball or managed a team in their lives - than we'll decide if this Kerr is worth having back..... :D

[Noelys Guitar]

So Kerr was appointed by Pele and Zico and not Milo? Getting back to the thread troussier is a chancer and will not get the best out of this team. Regulary booed by supporters at Marseille. Would not be a good appointment. The bookies are driving the betting and this is a real winner for them.

[wws]

you dont say!

this is heaven for teh bookies - no manager - the fai pretending they know what there doing and have someone in their sights - guess what - they dont!


i reckon troussier is employed by paddy power


zico replaced him in japan


lets get the best!!!

[hoops1]

IMO a god bet would be George Burley (hearts) 33/1
Now im not saying hes the best manager by a long shot
But most of the names people here are mentioning dont want it
or are wasters chancing there arm
Lets not kid ourselves the top men dont want it and he would be
a smart choice given his shaking up of the old firm at the moment
The last man to do that was Mr Blue/Red nose himself

[WeAreRovers]

for a start he was the manager of the best team in europe. Saint Pats...after that its hard to find a similar profile gig.

definite dividing line between the Olés and the rest on here

I get the impression most of the Olés would get a milk bottle down their pants if someone even remotely connected with England gets the job.

hint: they use "fai" logos as avatars :D :D

:D

You're my hero. Post of the month sorted.

KOH

[Tired&Emotional]

Maybe this site should be renamed "eLlove-in.ie" or a new one set up so the more immature folk don't start their meeeowws:D :D

[NeilMcD]

for a start he was the manager of the best team in europe. Saint Pats...after that its hard to find a similar profile gig.

definite dividing line between the Olés and the rest on here

I get the impression most of the Olés would get a milk bottle down their pants if someone even remotely connected with England gets the job.

hint: they use "fai" logos as avatars :D :D



So what exactly do you mean by Ole's. I have an idea that you are having a go at me as I have an FAI logo as my avatar. I support the Ireland football team and this is their crest So I see nothing wrong with having it. Most people seem to think that the time was up for Brian. As I said before I was fully supportive of himn right till the end and I think I gave him more backign that I have gave any other Ireland manager, but emotionally and financially through trips etc. However the most a manager can ask for is that he is judged on results and for me and many many others the results did not stand up. The ten men of the Fai were not the only ones who have agreed that he should go. Lots of ex professionals and fans have agreed with the decision. I woud think there is a minority out there that would have supported that Kerr stays on. The fact is we have not beaten an average or top team since he has taken over in a game that mattered. Its got nothing to do with Ole Ole supporters or not. You are trying to turn this is argument on its head by suggesting that the "real" supporters wanted Kerr to stay and the guys that just want a **** up wanted him out and want any Tom Dick and Harrty 2nd Rate Premeirship manager to take his place.

The reality is rather different. Brian Kerr lost his position due to the fact that the performances and the results have not been good in the 18 competitive games he has taken charge. In addition they have got worse so there was no sign that things would get better. I missed 2 games in the last campaign and have travelled to a few away friendlies also. I am not putting myself on a pedestal as there are many more supporters who have gone to every game etc. However I would not catergorise myself as and Ole Ole supporter. By the way my definition of and Ole Ole supporter is someone who comes out and World Cup times and only watches Ireland play then. I would like to know what your definitino of and Ole Ole Supporter is. Also if you cant have a debate on the issues concerned rather than personalising it or having a go at someone well I will leave it up to others how to view your posts.

[eirebhoy]

oh god.....leaving aside figure of speech exaggeration Duff hasnt strung two good games back to back for ireland - and doesnt play to his chelsea level for us

He does and thats the problem. I was probably the first person to say this on this forum but Mourinho is turning him into a different player and a player I don't like. I used to love watching Duff and would really get excited when Chelsea were playing. Now I couldn't care less. I seen this comment on another forum and it sums it up really:


You have the attacking winger on the left with Arjen Robben, a defensive winger on the right in Damien Duff with Frank Lampard being the attacking mid conjuring attacks with Makalele as the workforce in the defensive mid position.
Anyway, Duff has been fantastic for us in most games. He was always getting man of the match up until around the game in Paris. He set 5 of our goals up in the first 5 qualifying matches.

[Cosmo]

for a start he was the manager of the best team in europe. Saint Pats...after that its hard to find a similar profile gig.

definite dividing line between the Olés and the rest on here

I get the impression most of the Olés would get a milk bottle down their pants if someone even remotely connected with England gets the job.

hint: they use "fai" logos as avatars :D :D

That is the best post ever on here, never mind post of the month :D

[pete]

So what exactly do you mean by Ole's.


IMO an Ole Ole-er is probably in same league as barstooler. Whereas a barstoller would be football wise from so much watching on TV an Ole Ole-er would have little football knowledge & usually just appear for World Cups or big qualifiers.

[Stuttgart88]

I support the Ireland football team and this is their crest

The Irish national team is my team too. I don't like the crest & in any event I don't bother using an avatar. But I don't see anything wrong with supporting Ireland over a domestic club so I share your disdain at the remark directed at you and others.

[wws]

So what exactly do you mean by Ole's. I have an idea that you are having a go at me as I have an FAI logo as my avatar. I support the Ireland football team and this is their crest So I see nothing wrong with having it. Most people seem to think that the time was up for Brian. As I said before I was fully supportive of himn right till the end and I think I gave him more backign that I have gave any other Ireland manager, but emotionally and financially through trips etc. However the most a manager can ask for is that he is judged on results and for me and many many others the results did not stand up. The ten men of the Fai were not the only ones who have agreed that he should go. Lots of ex professionals and fans have agreed with the decision. I woud think there is a minority out there that would have supported that Kerr stays on. The fact is we have not beaten an average or top team since he has taken over in a game that mattered. Its got nothing to do with Ole Ole supporters or not. You are trying to turn this is argument on its head by suggesting that the "real" supporters wanted Kerr to stay and the guys that just want a **** up wanted him out and want any Tom Dick and Harrty 2nd Rate Premeirship manager to take his place.

The reality is rather different. Brian Kerr lost his position due to the fact that the performances and the results have not been good in the 18 competitive games he has taken charge. In addition they have got worse so there was no sign that things would get better. I missed 2 games in the last campaign and have travelled to a few away friendlies also. I am not putting myself on a pedestal as there are many more supporters who have gone to every game etc. However I would not catergorise myself as and Ole Ole supporter. By the way my definition of and Ole Ole supporter is someone who comes out and World Cup times and only watches Ireland play then. I would like to know what your definitino of and Ole Ole Supporter is. Also if you cant have a debate on the issues concerned rather than personalising it or having a go at someone well I will leave it up to others how to view your posts.


He lost one competitive game in point of fact in this campaign. When Delaneys man loses a game will you than call for his head on a plate to remain consistent??? The only opinion poll I've seen on the issuse says the overwhelming majority of the public wanted him to stay on for another go. The idea that the results were bad just doesnt hold water with the history of Irish football. The sense of perspective has most definitely been lost. The sense of the rational has been lost. A lot of what are now Ireland fans have a very inflated opinion of our international football standing with no basis in fact. In many ways they ape the England national team fans who overestimate their own side. I'm under no illusions about the paucity of genuine talent and guile in this current squad of players. A lot of other people are. We've no divine right to qualify and we missed out in the tightest group of them all. Even the hero of the Olés went fishing after Irelands last game in the euroo 88 qualifiers cos he reckoned theyd no chance of qualifying - if it wasnt for an upset in sofia and gary mackay they wouldnt have made it - thats teh diff - no great tactics - no big idea - just plain old fashioned luck.


In reply to another poster here - Robbie Keane has been a disgrace in the last three internationals - the "always a chance he might do something" looks more and more pathetic with every game.

[Aldini98]

These days the crowd is split between corporate seat takers that only go because they got the tickets for free and the other fans that support a Scottish team so they can boo any player that ever played for that other Scottish team.

[drinkfeckarse]

The idea that the results were bad just doesnt hold water with the history of Irish football. The sense of perspective has most definitely been lost. The sense of the rational has been lost. A lot of what are now Ireland fans have a very inflated opinion of our international football standing with no basis in fact. In many ways they ape the England national team fans who overestimate their own side. I'm under no illusions about the paucity of genuine talent and guile in this current squad of players. A lot of other people are. We've no divine right to qualify and we missed out in the tightest group of them all. Even the hero of the Olés went fishing after Irelands last game in the euroo 88 qualifiers cos he reckoned theyd no chance of qualifying - if it wasnt for an upset in sofia and gary mackay they wouldnt have made it - thats teh diff - no great tactics - no big idea - just plain old fashioned luck.


In reply to another poster here - Robbie Keane has been a disgrace in the last three internationals - the "always a chance he might do something" looks more and more pathetic with every game.


It's not the fact for me that Kerr only lost one game in qualifying, it's the fact that we looked utter sh!te in the final 4-5 games. The players should have been bustin their nuts in the last 2 games but instead we got a "steady steady" attitude which no doubt emulated from the manager.

FFS the Swiss game was a joke. A game we had to win and a game where any manager worth his salt would gamble, Kerr does like for like substitutions including taking off our record goalscorer (sh!te or not) for unproven talent with 30 minutes to go:eek: :confused: . Why didn't he go with an extra man up front?? Because he was out of his depth if you ask me and when it came to making the big decisions he couldn't stomach it and went for safety first.

[NeilMcD]

He lost one competitive game in point of fact in this campaign. When Delaneys man loses a game will you than call for his head on a plate to remain consistent??? The only opinion poll I've seen on the issuse says the overwhelming majority of the public wanted him to stay on for another go. The idea that the results were bad just doesnt hold water with the history of Irish football. The sense of perspective has most definitely been lost. The sense of the rational has been lost. A lot of what are now Ireland fans have a very inflated opinion of our international football standing with no basis in fact. In many ways they ape the England national team fans who overestimate their own side. I'm under no illusions about the paucity of genuine talent and guile in this current squad of players. A lot of other people are. We've no divine right to qualify and we missed out in the tightest group of them all. Even the hero of the Olés went fishing after Irelands last game in the euroo 88 qualifiers cos he reckoned theyd no chance of qualifying - if it wasnt for an upset in sofia and gary mackay they wouldnt have made it - thats teh diff - no great tactics - no big idea - just plain old fashioned luck.


In reply to another poster here - Robbie Keane has been a disgrace in the last three internationals - the "always a chance he might do something" looks more and more pathetic with every game.


Well I can be only as fair as this. If the next manager after 2 campaigns finishes 3rd and 4th well then I would think that he should go. If however we only lose one game and win many others and we qualify I would keep him on. The statistic of onlyl losing one game is good if the other games are filled with wins however only losing one game while drawing 7 others is not so good.

I would also like to thank Stuttgart who is one of the people on here who can put up a point without making it personal or having a go at the poster. Some of the personal stuff on this shows a lack of intellect and an abilty to argue a point properly. I dont understand who you could have go at me purely on the basis of my avater and you put me down as on Ole Supporter. Yet you have not backed this up with any sort of facts. In addition a few people have said this was post of the month or whatever. In my view post of the month would go to someone like Stuttgart 88 or Eirebhoy who clearly research their facts and dont let personal issues get in the way of their arguments.

[NeilMcD]

IMO an Ole Ole-er is probably in same league as barstooler. Whereas a barstoller would be football wise from so much watching on TV an Ole Ole-er would have little football knowledge & usually just appear for World Cups or big qualifiers.


So therefore I do not fall into this category in anyway.

[Karlos]

I would also like to thank Stuttgart who is one of the people on here who can put up a point without making it personal or having a go at the poster. Some of the personal stuff on this shows a lack of intellect and an abilty to argue a point properly. I dont understand who you could have go at me purely on the basis of my avater and you put me down as on Ole Supporter. Yet you have not backed this up with any sort of facts. In addition a few people have said this was post of the month or whatever. In my view post of the month would go to someone like Stuttgart 88 or Eirebhoy who clearly research their facts and dont let personal issues get in the way of their arguments.

I think Neill would be the first to admit that we dont always see eye to eye on footballing matters (particulary english football) but at this time I also want to throw my support behind him. Over the time I've been on foot.ie Neill is anything but a Ole Ole-er (closet manc maybe!!! :) ;) :) ). His arguments are consistant, well thought out and articulate

As a holder of a similar avatar based on the fact that I don't support a EL club, i concur with the other posters opinion on the Ole Ole remarks. Some of these wide of the mark views taint my overall view & genuine regard in which I hold many EL supporters. Those fans who can display a degree of understanding of individulaism of others generally are absent on foot.ie or are lurking somewhere in cyber space.

I'm all for healthy heated intelligent debates.....personal attacks and unwillingness to further discuss previous comments are the first sign of weakness in debate.

[wws]

Well anyone who uses an FAI corporate logo without a hint of irony is coming from a different place from this football fan. Not up for argument. We come from different football perspectives and totally different perspectives of what that logo stands for and represents. I used to use a Linfield logo on here myself (in jest) so I'm not gonna hammer on about it as its a small point in the overall scheme of things. As for the poster above waffling on about EL fans as if we were some sub section of things....newsflash....we ARE football in this country, you lot are just playing at being football fans. I can never take some five match a season Ireland fan seriously. That's just me. To be honest the fai logo/olérs make me sick. Oh and Brian Kerr had one campaign as Ireland boss not two. The same sh.t players had already ensured non qualification with defeats in russia and v the swiss before he got the job.

Lost one competitive game. Players werent good enough. I would have given him one more campaign on the basis that McCarthy was rewarded which ended up working despite horrible beginnings as he learned on the job.

I was down in Waterford on Friday for a relegation battle involving my club pats against waterford united - our very survival was on the line - with them 1 up it looked extremely bad - I cant describe the feelings of elation at the end when we equalised with a brilliant goal by Robbie Doyle - the Premier survival of our club was at stake, possibly its financial survival too - compared to missing a holiday in Germany for the world cup - it simply doesnt compare. We are coming from two very different places - and each looks on the other with disdain. I've no problem with that because once you've been involved in the emotional trauma of real football is hard to take the carlsberg hat version as seriously as some have taken non qualification for a tournamant we were not good enough for.

[drinkfeckarse]

Give yourself a pat on the back because you support your team, oh you really are special.:rolleyes:

You're judging someone because of their avater!!!???:rolleyes: :confused: :D I don't really need to say any more as you're ignorant laughable posts say it all.....

[tetsujin1979]

Well anyone who uses an FAI corporate logo without a hint of irony is coming from a different place from this football fan. Not up for argument.
What about ex-pats or 2g fans who have no connection to the eirom League but still follow the national side (e.g. all who went to Paris, but not from Ireland)? For me using the FAI logo as an avatar shows their allegiance. What logo should they use?

Back on topic, Morocco are supposed to have approached Troussier, hard to call which one he would be more interested in, seeing as how he did make a genuine effort to take the job the last time it was available. Has he ever worked with any Moroccan players at club level before?

[wws]

Olé Olé Olé Olé

why dont ya buy a wolfe tones tape and do us all a favour

[zerocoolie]

Back on topic, Morocco are supposed to have approached Troussier, hard to call which one he would be more interested in, seeing as how he did make a genuine effort to take the job the last time it was available. Has he ever worked with any Moroccan players at club level before?

I heard on the radio this morning that he is in "advanced negotiations" with Morocco now..

[NeilMcD]

Well anyone who uses an FAI corporate logo without a hint of irony is coming from a different place from this football fan. Not up for argument. We come from different football perspectives and totally different perspectives of what that logo stands for and represents. I used to use a Linfield logo on here myself (in jest) so I'm not gonna hammer on about it as its a small point in the overall scheme of things. As for the poster above waffling on about EL fans as if we were some sub section of things....newsflash....we ARE football in this country, you lot are just playing at being football fans. I can never take some five match a season Ireland fan seriously. That's just me. To be honest the fai logo/olérs make me sick. Oh and Brian Kerr had one campaign as Ireland boss not two. The same sh.t players had already ensured non qualification with defeats in russia and v the swiss before he got the job.

Lost one competitive game. Players werent good enough. I would have given him one more campaign on the basis that McCarthy was rewarded which ended up working despite horrible beginnings as he learned on the job.

I was down in Waterford on Friday for a relegation battle involving my club pats against waterford united - our very survival was on the line - with them 1 up it looked extremely bad - I cant describe the feelings of elation at the end when we equalised with a brilliant goal by Robbie Doyle - the Premier survival of our club was at stake, possibly its financial survival too - compared to missing a holiday in Germany for the world cup - it simply doesnt compare. We are coming from two very different places - and each looks on the other with disdain. I've no problem with that because once you've been involved in the emotional trauma of real football is hard to take the carlsberg hat version as seriously as some have taken non qualification for a tournamant we were not good enough for.



WWS, if I went in to the St Pats section of foot.ie and started pontificating about St. Pats, I would be rightly told to fcuk off. This is the National Team Section of foot.ie where we are debating the manager of the Irish team. I am as much of a supporter of this team as you are and as many of the people of post on it. I do not support the LOI as much as you for various reasons but the main one is that I grew up in Clare and as a result did not build an allegiance to a team. It would be fake to me now to just pick a team from the sky in the LOI to support. I do go to a few of the games during a season but I do not feel passionate about it as I do about the Irish National team. This section of the forum is for Supporter of the Irish football to debate issues etc. Your club allegiances has nothing to do with it and should be kept out of here. Also you are showing your lack of intellect and manners by consistantly having personal attacks on people.

[wws]

WWS, if I went in to the St Pats section of foot.ie and started pontificating about St. Pats, I would be rightly told to fcuk off. This is the National Team Section of foot.ie where we are debating the manager of the Irish team. I am as much of a supporter of this team as you are and as many of the people of post on it. I do not support the LOI as much as you for various reasons but the main one is that I grew up in Clare and as a result did not build an allegiance to a team. It would be fake to me now to just pick a team from the sky in the LOI to support. I do go to a few of the games during a season but I do not feel passionate about it as I do about the Irish National team. This section of the forum is for Supporter of the Irish football to debate issues etc. Your club allegiances has nothing to do with it and should be kept out of here. Also you are showing your lack of intellect and manners by consistantly having personal attacks on people.

someone above brought up a point about the LOI stuff so thats when I went off on one. There are many people on this thread not just you ffs

[NeilMcD]

They brought up the point due to the fact you had a go at someone who has an avator of the Irish National team on a thread that is about the Irish Natinoal team. I am entitled to support the Irish national team and I am as much of a supporter of that team that a lot of the people on this website. you were the one that started making it personal by having a go at Ireland supporters on a thread that is mean to be about the next Ireland manager. You were the one trying to create divisin between what you perceive to be the real supporters (LOI supporters) and OLe Ole Ole Fans (fans of the Ireland team). I do not like to create division amongst our supporters and I would not go around suggestion who is more of a supporter than the next man. I support the team and I do not have to judge fellow supporters loyalty etc. YOu are obviously insecure inyourself and feel the need to put yourself on a pedestal. Just enjoy football and dont have so much snobbery about it.

[wws]

They brought up the point due to the fact you had a go at someone who has an avator of the Irish National team on a thread that is about the Irish Natinoal team. I am entitled to support the Irish national team and I am as much of a supporter of that team that a lot of the people on this website. you were the one that started making it personal by having a go at Ireland supporters on a thread that is mean to be about the next Ireland manager. You were the one trying to create divisin between what you perceive to be the real supporters (LOI supporters) and OLe Ole Ole Fans (fans of the Ireland team). I do not like to create division amongst our supporters and I would not go around suggestion who is more of a supporter than the next man. I support the team and I do not have to judge fellow supporters loyalty etc. YOu are obviously insecure inyourself and feel the need to put yourself on a pedestal. Just enjoy football and dont have so much snobbery about it.

actually Mr Selective, I had a go at you for plucking BS out of the air and presenting them as facts. I came back with a few actual facts re results of the national team boss and you went off on one. The infamous "fai" avatar that seems to be your biggest bone of contention is a corporate logo introduced recent(ish)ly by a now sacked Chief Executive of an organisation that I've had a lot of issues with for various reasons - the whole fcking my club over thing was a little sore point with me. I don't question your right to follow Ireland. I will slag the FAI and their joke logo, with plenty of reason by the way. I did make an observation that a lot of the "Ireland" fans (and lets define it here in terms of this site as posters who follow ireland but have no interest in any irish football club - not judging either way just defining terms lest you misinterpret my post for the umpteenth time!) as such wanted Kerr out based on results while a lot of the LOI posters had reasonably pointed out (as indeed had Mark Lawrenson ie not just some LOI love in) that in context the results were not all that bad. Especially not at all bad in the context of the history of Irish participation in qualifiers. Anyway that was my main point. Its my central pet theory that we've all gone bonkers in thinking that Ireland have a natural right to qualify. For me bad players and bad luck made us just miss out. I would have liked to see Kerr get another try based on the terms given to his predecessor and the fact that players who were obviously less than committed to the Ireland cause in any case were dropping out of international football - I felt he could have made a clean sweep and learned from his mistakes as McCarthy did.

[NeilMcD]

Your fatal flaw was to make it personal. I have no problem you arguing that kerr should stay on As part of me would think of nothing better than kerr leading us to Euro 2008. I actually liked him and I think that he made lots of good decisions and I very rarely disagreed with his team selection. However in my view he did not get the best out of the players at his disposal. I agree we dont have world beaters but I do think that we have players better than Switzerland and Israel. I also think that in the pressure games he made some bad decisions. IN addition the performances seemed to be gettting worse rather than better.

I was no fan of Mc Carthy and I think that Kerr is a better manager however Mick did seem to have players playing above themselves. We also never finished outside to top 2 with Mc Carthy. We have never finished inside the top 2 with Kerr. I think that is the main reason why he went. Also I do think that just cause Mc Carthy was given a chance after making mistakes does not mean Kerr should be. Maybe Delaney is of the view that Mc Carthy shoudl not have been kept on after 1998 or 2000.


All in all it is a very tight decision and my heart said that I wanted Kerr to stay but my head said that he had to go. My main reason for thinking he should go is that over the last 2 years and 9 months. Only 90 minutes against France was I proud of team. Every other game was depressing and a bore and I felt the players underperformed. Even Scotland got 2 wins away from home against Norway and Slovenia. They also had a win against Holland at home. We have not had one great day under Brian Kerr. It really does pain me to say it as I was all for him getting the job. In addition there are many LOI supporters who are calling for him to go too. But I dont see why a divide needs to be created on this issue. A manager shoudl be judged on results not on whether his background is LOI of English Premierhip etc. Its seems to me that it you that is bringing that issue regarding the fans. When I go supporting Ireland, I dont ask people who do they support at club level as this is only divisive. Everybody is there to support Ireland and we are united in that. I say leave club football debates out of national issues.

[joeSoap]

revised odds (http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=show_type_by_main_market&category=SOCCER&ev_class_id=115&id=3266) show huge money for both Burley and Troussier...or is Mr Power running for cover?

[wws]

+actually someone else posted about kerr being out of his depth etc etc it was a sly dig but there is a malaise in irish international football at the moment - the players took the easy route cause a lot of them no longer rate international football as a priority - changing the manager was a disaster in my opinion during this time - it will not improve matters - and if the new boss loses one competitive game than by current standards layed down by delaney he should walk.....it defies logic

the performances have been absolutely sh.t uder kerr - but what came first? since world cup in japan/korea the players havent given a toss and have played consistently badly as a group under two managers - I think Kerr's copped an awful lot of the blame for an underlying malaise in the irish international team and I dont think some big 1 million pound a year hot shot from over seas is gonna parachute in and make it all better

[Bald Student]

I do not support the LOI as much as you for various reasons but the main one is that I grew up in Clare and as a result did not build an allegiance to a team. It would be fake to me now to just pick a team from the sky in the LOI to support.That's fair enough Neil. I'd be interested to hear wheather or not you picked any foreign teams out of the sky (an appropriate phrase) to support.

[NeilMcD]

No I the only team I support is the Irish team. I look out for results for Bohemians, go to a few of their games. Have gone to games in Spain while On holiday or over for a weekend. Have gone to England for a few games while visiting friends. BUt the only team that I support and that their results effect my mood are the Irish team. However people are entitled to suppport whoever they liked to support and I would not judge someone on the back of it.

[drinkfeckarse]

+actually someone else posted about kerr being out of his depth etc etc it was a sly dig

It wasn't a dig at all:confused: just my opinion based on his decision making

and if the new boss loses one competitive game than by current standards layed down by delaney he should walk.....it defies logic

If he loses 1 game and wins most of the others, that would be the difference. Kerrs problem was that he drew too many times with medioce teams.

the performances have been absolutely sh.t uder kerr

Very true and ultimately the buck stops with the manager.



You're argument about him losing only 1 competitive game in this qualifying group isn't the issue. The team drew too many times as I've said and didn't look like winning many. The performaces grew steadily worse so it can't have come as that much of a surprise to see him go. BTW I agree with your point about too many people thinking that we've an automatic right to qualify these days.

[joeSoap]

The team drew too many times as I've said and didn't look like winning many.
That, sadly is down to overly negative tactics....A 2-0 lead after 12 mins against Israel at home ffs, only to decide that we must 'hold what we have' instead of going out for more to boost our goal difference.:confused: Thats gotta be down to Brian Kerr...its not instinctive for players like Duff, Andy Reid, Kilbane etc to switch off into defensive mode. Same inTel Aviv. At the end of the day, its those dropped 4 points that prevented us from winning the group. Instead, we're watching on the TV.:rolleyes:

When Kerr was offered the job, the only experience of adult management was with a very much part time St Pats a decade ago. Everything he did with the schoolboys should not have been taken into consideration for a position as crucial as that of Ireland manager. He is now getting short shrift from his employers in a bid to divert the egg from their own faces to his. He got no support, apart from Chris Hughton who I gather is an ignoramus who gave Kerr very little support at all, especially none in public. When the position was offered to him, it should have been as part of a double act, such as the one he is being touted for now with Bobby Robson at Hearts, where Robson does all the admin and Kerr does the coaching. Robson would be on the bench to offer support, advice and maybe spot the odd crucial tactic Kerr may miss.

This is all one very sad, sorry affair, and we as fans together with Brian Kerr are the only losers. Our association live in the 1800's, and if we are happy with egotistical neanderthals running our association, then we deserve everytrhing we get.:mad:

[eirebhoy]

That, sadly is down to overly negative tactics....A 2-0 lead after 12 mins against Israel at home ffs, only to decide that we must 'hold what we have' instead of going out for more to boost our goal difference.:confused: Thats gotta be down to Brian Kerr...its not instinctive for players like Duff, Andy Reid, Kilbane etc
I told believe that for a second tbh. We didn't switch into defensive mode, the Israeli's just got back into the game and were getting down the wings with ease. Anyway, watch Chelsea in the Nou camp to see how Chelsea completely fold when they go 1-0 up. Its instinctive for any normal person to defend a lead. Its called psychology and when you have lost leads twice already in the group it plays on the players minds. An example I always use is England. People blame Sven for sitting back on a lead. Very few manager would tell their players to do so. You can't beat the mind. Anyway, this is in the past and I'm looking to the future now. :)

[wws]

You're argument about him losing only 1 competitive game in this qualifying group isn't the issue. The team drew too many times as I've said and didn't look like winning many. The performaces grew steadily worse so it can't have come as that much of a surprise to see him go. BTW I agree with your point about too many people thinking that we've an automatic right to qualify these days.

I cannot agree with that. In the context of the group all the other teams were drawing as well - it was that tight. In my opinion France and Switzerland were and ARE 'marginally' better than us and Israel put up 6 excellent performances home and away against France, Switzerland and Ireland. Sh.t happens. I'd easily give him one more term just to root out who really did want to play in green and who didn't as I believe the real problem lay with certain so called superstar players.

[joeSoap]

I'd easily give him one more term just to root out who really did want to play in green and who didn't as I believe the real problem lay with certain so called superstar players.I'd agree with you there alright. It seemed clear to me that the likes of Robbie Keane, Steven Carr and maybe one or two others simply did not have the hunger or attitude required to qualify for a world cup.

[Don Vito]

Well anyone who uses an FAI corporate logo without a hint of irony is coming from a different place from this football fan. Not up for argument. We come from different football perspectives and totally different perspectives of what that logo stands for and represents. I used to use a Linfield logo on here myself (in jest) so I'm not gonna hammer on about it as its a small point in the overall scheme of things. As for the poster above waffling on about EL fans as if we were some sub section of things....newsflash....we ARE football in this country, you lot are just playing at being football fans. I can never take some five match a season Ireland fan seriously. That's just me. To be honest the fai logo/olérs make me sick. Oh and Brian Kerr had one campaign as Ireland boss not two. The same sh.t players had already ensured non qualification with defeats in russia and v the swiss before he got the job.

It's quotes remarks like this one that really p!ss me off, its the likes of this that is giving the rest of the EL fans on this forum a bad name. What gives you the right to declare the the Eircom League is the be all and end all of Irish football? I grew up in Wexford, an hour and a half from the nearest EL club, Bray/Waterford, I feel absolutely no connection with any Eircom league club, as NeilMcD has pointed out am I supposed to pluck a team out of the air and pledge my heart to them just so I can call myself a real Ireland fan and not a 'play one? B**lox to that. Are you telling me that because of where I was born I'll never do anything but 'play' at being an Ireland fan? B**lox to that.

There are two aspects to football in my life, Ireland and my local team. And in my opinion local clubs, and the people who dedicate their lives to raising money for them and training teams, are far more important for Irish football than the Eircom league at this point in time and it will remain that way until the Eircom league is radically transformed.

WWS are you related to or friendly with Kerr by any chance?! The man had to go, he had his chance and under his leadership I saw nothing that indicated things would improve in the near future. I take your point about him losing one competitive game, its a fair argument, however you cannot fail to see that it was the unacceptable amount of drawn games that cost him his job.

By the way, NeilMcD and Stuttgart88 have to be contenders for Post of the Month.

[Karlos]

There are two aspects to football in my life, Ireland and my local team. And in my opinion local clubs, and the people who dedicate their lives to raising money for them and training teams, are far more important for Irish football than the Eircom league at this point in time and it will remain that way until the Eircom league is radically transformed.

By the way, NeilMcD and Stuttgart88 have to be contenders for Post of the Month.

Add yourself to that list of post of the month contenders. ;)

Your point above is something I've mentioned on numerous occaisions on this site. Up until last week when I left Ireland, I was coaching two nights a week plus attending two games on Saturday and Sunday with my under age and adult teams. For me, you cannot support Irish soccer any closer than being involved at grass roots level and dedicating more than 90 minutes of vocal support a week to the game in this country

I've said it before and I'll reiterate, if every single 'Real' football fan would go out and do an basic coaching course and attach themselves to a local club, the future of good quality soccer in this country could be secured. As it is we have unqualified coaches running youth teams when you fast forward ten years - there's a few lads who go to a game of irish football a week sitting in a pub giving out about the standard of the national team, the game, and the players etc.....

And there's no need for anyone to pin the blame on the FAI for this one either - they are running well organised coaching courses as we speak - just give up a weekend and get qualified.

[wws]

real football fans put the results in proper context and dont get taken in by PR waffle

he lost one game - they hung him out to dry - I disagree with it. I notice the majority who agree wholeheartedly with it seem to have FAI logos - hence my dig at them. Fair comment in my book. I said previously those who follow the Ireland team exclusively look down on those who follow the EL - and those that follow the EL generally look on the Oireland brigade as clueless muppets. The reaction to the management fiasco by the fai bears this out.

Brian Kerr - Irish Managerial Legend. End of.

[Karlos]

what's the reaction of the EL Fans to those same FAI Supporters who have provided them with so many of the players they now support through their development at youth level at local clubs? Still Clueless muppets??? :confused: thought as much!

[wws]

by getting rid of a manger who lost one game - yes. clueless - (theres plenty of other reasons too but I aint got time to list the catalogue of shame from merrion sq.)

[Dotsy]

real football fans put the results in proper context and dont get taken in by PR waffle

he lost one game - they hung him out to dry - I disagree with it. I notice the majority who agree wholeheartedly with it seem to have FAI logos - hence my dig at them. Fair comment in my book. I said previously those who follow the Ireland team exclusively look down on those who follow the EL - and those that follow the EL generally look on the Oireland brigade as clueless muppets. The reaction to the management fiasco by the fai bears this out.

Brian Kerr - Irish Managerial Legend. End of.

I just had a quick look back over some of the Should Kerr Go or Not thread and other related treads and it's pretty evenly split between EL people/FAI logo people /Others as to whether he should go or not;) . I like the man alot but I thought it was time for him to go. We haven't got great players but I thought even then we still should have made a play off place in what was a poor group overall. If we can't strive to be the best that we can be despite our limitations then we might as jack it in. A play off place in this group was realistic not an over hyped ambition.I honestly thought we should have done better something I didn't expect from McCarty. Gettng us to the play offs against Belgium and Turkey were about all I thought we would achieve in those campaigns. Anyway it's just my view:) . But I'll tell you one thing I am absolutely sure of and that is I know a fair amount about the game after playing it for the best part of 20 years. I don't play anymore but I am still involved in my local club, and get to see EL games most weeks. Don't assume you know anything about me just because I use the logo of our national team as my avitar:mad: .

[wws]

ive opened up a whole can of worms here

but in conclusion - anyone who uses an fai avatar is in general - a complete pr.ck