Bohs fans dirty tricks

[OneRedArmy]

I stopped having any time for Derry fans the time we were herded into that corner of the Brandywell for the local scum outside and the local scum inside to rein missiles down on us while your stewards refused to intervene.



I was in Derry at the game BohsFan is talking about. Something made of glass, I think even a couple, were thrown over the wall from outside and smashed off the wall all over the Bohs fans.
Bit of poetic license there Bohsfan?

Are you sure about the missiles raining down from inside?

It sounds like one or two bottles were thrown in from outside. Regrettable, definately, but hardly schwerpunkt. And yes, I was at the match in question, on that side of the ground, and don't remember anything of note.

BTW I find your turn of phrase very interesting for a Dub. Use of the words "peelers" and "wee", a fondness for Linfield.................. :D

[BohsFans]

Have to disagree with you BohsFans I like Derry as a place and I like Derry City as a football club.


That wasn't me who posted that, it was BohsFan :mad:

[BohsFans]

As I mentioned before, dig out his post match interview on TG4 after the Pats game and see what he says about the Derry supporters.

From today's Derry News

"Of course we can never see take the supporters for granted but when you see supporters put in effort[......] thats just phenomenal"

"Our supporters were absolutely marvellous"

In fairness, he says that at every club he's at, so I wouldn't go patting yourselves on the back too much!

[BohsFans]

Bohs til I die, I am not sure if you are aware but painting on the grass means that unless you wish to leave the offending mark on the pitch, then the opinions open to you will result in the grass behind being sorched or burnt so you may as well of burnt the grass.

Next up, windows were smashed in two places. On the right side of the new stand at the back and the door on the left side of the stand.

Regardless of what was done, the fact that ANYTHING was done is behaviour that disgraces your club and means that any occassions Bohs fans wish to suggest criminality on behalf of other clubs, well quite frankly it will be massively hypocritical of yourselves. A poor act of vandalism. We don't need that in the game and if you wish to quote actions of poor behaviour on the part of shels to justify the action, then your fans have lost the soap box they preach from on breaking and entering into Tolka?

Who says Bohs fans broken the windows??
Where's the Tolka Park CCTV footage to back up your claims??

[BohsFans]

Really? http://foot.ie/showthread.php?p=335395

and how does that suggest a Bohs fan did it??
I posted that up having already read about it on the Bohs mb :p
I think UCD fans should stay out of this one.

btw great result tonight :D

[dcfcsteve]

Hardly any Bohs fans use this site or haven't you noticed? If you are so curious go and ask the question on the Gypsyweb MB.

Bohsfan - you seem to have a serious issue with answering a question. Training for a career as a TD or something...?

Regardless, I'll ignore the fact that the one and only incident you use to justify your assertion that the Brandywell is nigh-on a place of mass public disorder - into which away fans are led like lambs to the slaughter - happened at least 10 years ago (if it was that big an incident for you, btw, surely you'd be able to say what year it was...?).

I'll also ignore your pathetic attempt to bring Harps into it with unspecified remarks about all the things that have happened to them (Harps fans on here can testify that of the c.30 meetings our teams have had over the years at the Brandywell, nothing of any great substance has occured).

Regardless of the above - the alleged incident that you mentioned supposedly involved people OUTSIDE the Brandywell throwing stuff in during a game. I've put the word 'outside' in capital letters to help you here. If the perpetrators of this alleged incident were DCFC fans, or were in any way associated with the club, surely they would have been inside the ground during a match...? Or has your bitterness towards the club and the city clouded what little common sense you appear to possess...?

And what exactly do you suggest Derry City stewards - who's responsibility is to look after security WITHIN the ground - should do about a minor event that happens OUTSIDE the ground DURING a game ? Desert their posts to investigate in an area where they have no jurisdiction or control - thereby neglecting their stated duty towards the safety of the fans INSIDE the stadium ?? Also - It may surprise you to learn BohsFan, but the PSNI *do* POLICE the Brandywell as an area, and can often be seen in the area - even in the height of the troubles. They just don't police the stadium itself on matchday. So I suggest you direct your queries/complaints re a catastrophic public order event that put literally hundreds of people at risk in an unspecified year over a decade ago to :

Chief Inspector George Brien
Foyle District Command Unit
Police Service of Northern Ireland
81A Strand Road
Derry/Londonderry (take your pick...)
BT48 7AA

I'll help you with writing the letter if you manage to break all your crayons again.

Eyes down for some more question dodging and a side-splittingly witty response. I'm literally shuffling to the edge of my seat as I type...

[Cosmo]

While I ain't a fan of Derry I'm going to sort of stick up for them here.

While I dont like tham for 2 reasons (1. supporting their club when kicking another club when theyre down which nearly resulted in us being kicked out of the league (and we were never in a worse state then rovers or others were - 100k is all it cost to sort us out) 2. the 'best supporters' in the world stuff)

However one thing I will say is that they are probably one of the best behaved in the country. We've never had any bother with them in drogheda. I actually remember a couple of years ago in our club bar at half time, the place was packed with derry and drogs at half time and a few drunkan drogs started singing 'whats it like to have a queen' etc, i thought its all going to kick off now, but instead the derry fans just walked away back to the terrace).

Also going up to derry - i never go to the oak place, usually go to the bar nearest to the entrance (think its the brandywell bar??) and never a hint of bother there.

As regards Kennys comments, every club has their morons so I wouldnt read anything into it (though that it was very sad that a derry fan asked for the thread to be moved to the derry section :rolleyes: )

Obviously I cant forgive what happened in the past, but I dont think its fair to be labelling derry fans as being 'bad behaved' ( in a physical sense ;) )

[Krstic]

I don't think their fans are particularly badly behaved. What I did have a problem with is the banning order on the presence of the police. This is all well and good but you can't insist on that, as Derry do, and then say, sorry about what was happening from the other side of the wall, nothing to do with us and you hardly expect the stewards are able to do anything either. If the people who run Derry are so obsessed with political point scoring then it was the job of the FAI to exclude them from the league until such a time they were prepared to work with the RUC/PSNI for the benefit of supporter safety. Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't it the case that Derry had these problems in the Irish League? If they couldn't satisfy the IL as to the security arrangements, and they couldn't, then I don't see why the non-security on offer to EL fans should be good enough for us.

But the RUC/PSNI do police outside Brandywell stadium.
And as was said by REAL Bohs fans, the bottle(s) came from outside.
So your point is as invalid as your supposed support for Bohs :p

[Krstic]

Jesus wept, read the posts you ****ing moron.

I've read it, and you continually contradict yourself.

So I'll ask you this question AGAIN (as a previous poster said you seem to have a problem asnwering questions)

What powers do Derry City have to stop incidents occuring OUTSIDE Brandywell Stadium???

Your supposed Frightening incident was the result of a Bottle(s) being thrown IN to the Stadium from OUTSIDE (where the RUC/PSNI are responsible for and DO police)

Give us a wee answer this time mouthpiece :ball:

[Krstic]

Never seen a police presence in and around the Brandywell, ever. Quit the bullsh.it and allow the police to police. Otherwise I am afraid I am begining to understand why the IL didn't want you in their league.

Btw, do you know the meaning of the word contradiction or do I have to help you out on that too?

How often are you in the Brandywell area??

Still not answering the previous question!!!

Maybe I'll translate it to Ulster/Scots and then you'll understand :ball:

[Krstic]

Still not saying where the contradiction is Kristic.

Btw, your continual inability to frame any criticism of you club in terms outside ghetto sectarianism actually bears out a hell of a lot I have said already. Is it completely impossible to criticise wee Derry without being accused of being an ulster loyalist? Seems to be the case alright.

The retreat to the wee victimhood mode is now, I can see, a Pavlovian response so deeply embedded up their that it will take eons and a greatly widened gene pool to breed out of you.

Your continued attempts to draw me into a political debate with you on a Football forum are tedious.

If you are going to throw some bait, let's make it footy bait :ball:

[Krstic]

Mate, you're the one refusing to accept the fact that is is possible for people other than loyalists to criticise Derry. If you don't want to politicise matter then don't fling accusations like that about.

Again you seem to ignore your own previous posts and continue to contradict yourself.

It was your mention of John Hume and the 'Derry persecution' complex that led me to the opinion of you not being who you say you are.

Therefore it's quite clear if you take a look back at yesterdays exchanges, it was in fact you who politicised this little spat. :ball: :ball:

[dcfcsteve]

Hands up anyone who has ever seen a RUC or PSNI presence in the vicinity of the Brandywell?

You're clearly struggling now BohsFan.....

I have. And if you don't believe me - let me try to use common sense on you.

The entrance to the City Cemetry is literally opposite the Brandywell Stadium. In fact - it's about 10 feet from where the alleged incident you report from years ago reportedly took place.

Now - unless you're as juvenile as your postings suggest you are, you will remember reports on the news of some very high profile funerals taking place in the City Cemetry over the years. In particular - Patsy O'Hara and Michael Devine - 2 Hunger Strikers from Derry. They are both buried in the City cemetry in Derry. See where I'm going yet....?

Now - there is a very large Republican plot within the City Cemetry. Meaning large numbers of IRA and INLA men and women are buried there. Each of those funerals was, surprise, surprise - policed ! Some in absolutely HUGE numbers. I recall very clearly standing in the grounds of my school (St Columbs College), that overlooks both the Brandywell and the City Cemetry, in the mid 1980's to watch the goings on at some very high profile funerals, and literally counting the rows of Landrovers in units of 10 - there were that many of them !!

Looking more recently - and again trying to focus on high profile events you will struggle to claim never happened - one of the few Republican prisoners still in jail at the moment is a guy from the Brandywell called 'Seamus Doherty'. Two homes belonging to relatives of him, weer raided not so long ago in very high profile policing incidents. Google it if you don't believe me...

Finally - to try and prove to you that the RUC/PSNI don't just turn up in the Brandywell for the 'big events' before disappearing for months, in some dastardly conspiracy to prevent away Eircom League fans from ever sighting them, I found the following extract from Republican News (not a read I'd recommend, by the way) on Google from 1998. It clearly documents the fact that the RUC were in the Brandywell frequently at that time :

"The RUC in the Brandywell area of Derry have been harassing children as young as five years old on a nightly basis and shining searchlights into Nationalists homes on the estate.
Peter Anderson, the local SF councillor, has received numerous complaints from parents.
``Unsurprisingly there has been a reaction from the Nationalist community to this RUC aggression,'' said the councillor, referring to the fact that police patrols have come under attack from stone-throwers in the area, ``and some damage has been caused to local buildings and cars. It is quite clear that the RUC is directly responsible for creating this disorder and this force should stay out of the Brandywell and, indeed, any area where it is clear that they are not welcome.''

So even if you'll ignore the word of people like myself who have been in the Brandywell more than the once or twice in their life tht you have (even though that doubtless makes you an expert on the local area...), perhaps you'll accept either footage you would have seen on the news (if you're old enough to recall, or intelligent enough to watch the news), articles from the web, or merely just common sense that Republican funerals in Derry have been heavily policed...? Or are you a bit of a 'flat earthist' and refuse to accept the truth when it's staring you in the face ?

Any other straws you'd like help clutching at there BohsFan ? I'm literally shuffling to the edge of my seat as I type....

[pete]

Stick to the topic folks. Antics of Derry City & Shelbourne can be discussed on other threads that alreay exist!

[dcfcsteve]

Kristic, well let me put it like this, you mislead yourself.

Anyway, it seems that the mods around here are being as diligent in protecting the wee Derry faithful from a dose of reality as John Hume is at protecting you from financial reality as I have received a pre-banning warning from them. My reply to them is the same as I would make to you:

"...............let me be perfectly frank, I couldn't give a flying **** whether you ban me or not, if the alternative to being banned is that I have to accept being called a liar, a loyalist etc. It seems to be perfectly acceptable to engage in political baiting, sectarian smears and personal attacks so long as you are from Derry. Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining about any of this, I can give it so I better be prepared to take it.
This site tends to get ignored by a lot of EL fans precisely because of such perceived bias.
Good luck with your decision, I won't be unduly bothered one way or another."


So now, with their blessing you can return to congratulating yourselves on what great fans you are without the unpleasantness of reminders to the contrary. Lack of security aside perhaps the most emblematic moment of Derry hypocrisy was Jim Roddy lecturing everyone else on the need for financial controls and stiff penalties but not a second before John Hume got him and his sorry ass club out of a very big mess.

As I expect to be banned, all I can say is have a great time telling each other how great Derry are and how wonderful the Derry lads are.

Awwwh BohsFan - don't go ! We've ripped your arguements to shreds - including even the one tiny little straw you were left clutching ("Hands up if you've ever seen the police in the Brandywell vicinity").

I was therefore looking forward to you either ignoring the salient points raised in my last post, or resorting to personal abuse to get round the fact that you have an all-consuming hatred of anything to do with Derry that is making you post like a moron.

Don't ban him moderators - I can almost hear him weasling and squirming red-faced in his chair from where I'm based in London. This site needs its village idiots to provide quality humour for everyone else to laugh at. BohsFan is the online equivalent of someone who trips up outside a busy pub in full view of lots of people, and then gets all angry with everyone for laughing at his misfortune. You can't ban comedy gems like that ! :D

PS Pete - responses to allegations from a Bohs Fan about the alleged behaviour of Derry fans within a thread regarding Bohs Fans is perfectly on topic !

[pete]

PS Pete - responses to allegations from a Bohs Fan about the alleged behaviour of Derry fans within a thread regarding Bohs Fans is perfectly on topic !

I disagree. BohsFan allegation was off topic originally. Derry City fans been debated elsewhere.

BohsFan has been warned as he has been repeating the same post in 5 pages of threads. This is supposed to be discussion forum & not public forum for attacking other people. No Derry City fans have been warned as have at least tried to debate.

[Krstic]

Mate, you're the one refusing to accept the fact that is is possible for people other than loyalists to criticise Derry. If you don't want to politicise matter then don't fling accusations like that about.

I know I should just let it go now that Steve has nailed you to your cross, but Can I make one more little comment.

I worked in Dublin for 2 years and never did i hear a Dub call me 'Mate'

I worked in Belfast for 3 years and every Belfast man started their sentence with 'Mate'.

So where do you really come from Mate????