Tom Cannon F Sheffield Utd b.2002

[CraftyToePoke]

Out of curiosity, I wonder how involved Lee Carsely would be in this move?


I had an eye on the Balogun switch from England to the USA recently ( & England losing that player almost certainly upped the focus on Cannon ) & Carsley was reported as having flown to France to meet him to try to sway him their way. Carsley was interviewed several times too on that one. So he's fairly front & centre here one can reasonably presume.

The Americans flew the player over and basically fellatio'ed the bejaysus out of him until they got their guy, which is in stark contrast to liamoo's proposed tactical approach here.

[Razors left peg]

This is a leadership versus management moment for Kenny I think. If he wants to stay with us he goes back to the 21s in September regardless of how well he is doing at his club to earn the right to get senior caps

That's 1970s management and players don't respond to that. Like it or not we have to play the game here and use whatever diplomacy needed to keep him on board. He might be brilliant, or he might be a L1 player but we still need to keep him on board if we can. It it doesn't work out then fair enough.

Nationality has been talked to death on here but most people would agree at this point it's more nuanced than that in this day and age. It's not a case of you're Irish or you're not.

I still think we are in strong position. Obafemi did similar to Cannon last year and had super 2nd half of season. A good preseason and there's a players still in him.

We forget Troy Parrott had a similar injury this season to what finished Paul O Connells rugby career, where his hamstring tore off the bone. He's still a very good player if he can get the attitude and application right.

Idah has a big season ahead, but he did well off the bench against France, and I do like him. He could age well if experience teaches him bit of cleverness. He's got talent.

And of course Evan Ferguson who is gonna be our main man for 15 years.

All these strikers are still so young and I'm not convinced Cannon is definitely better than any of them. He's only had about 10 hood games.

If we keep him great, if he goes so be it.

[tetsujin1979]

O'Connell was already coming to the end of his career. The hamstring injury just made it a little earlier than planned. Cian Healy had the same injury and is probably going to the world cup in September

[Razors left peg]

O'Connell was already coming to the end of his career. The hamstring injury just made it a little earlier than planned. Cian Healy had the same injury and is probably going to the world cup in September

My point was that it was serious, Connell had a contract to play in France the season after it happened and he never managed one game because of it

[Bielsa´s irish]

Wake you UP, paddys they aré colonialist to the core, they aré UP there to destroy irish football AND irish development, even the irish football supremo Is I believe an englishman, wake UP my friends!! I dont hate them but they always show their suprema y and ego everytime they can

[Bielsa´s irish]

I'd say Carsley has more important things to worry about with the U21 Euros starting next week and could well be out of a job next month.
I dont think Carsley , I think More of the suits, and the full structure, I dont blame the kid, I blame the Situation, We have Garnacho to debut vs Australia on thursday, but until two months ago the spanyards were trying to lure him away of Argentina, they aré víctima of geopolítics these young footballers, thats when I agree with Kenny AND those videos, the only way you can bring these kids Is with More irish identity AND politika

[Deckydee]

My point was that it was serious, Connell had a contract to play in France the season after it happened and he never managed one game because of it

Well that escalated quickly..

[weldoninhio]

Time for Ireland to say thanks, but no thanks to players like this.

[Razors left peg]

Time for Ireland to say thanks, but no thanks to players like this.

How about players like Ryan Manning who also turned down call up this window?

[samhaydenjr]

QUOTE=weldoninhio;2151012]Time for Ireland to say thanks, but no thanks to players like this.[/QUOTE]

Not even sure how that works - if he comes to us later in the year and says he wants to continue to play for Ireland, do we refuse to pick him and tell him to switch? I'm perfectly happy to give him the summer to consider things - this is a friendly window so it's not a big deal - gives a couple of the other lads a chance to impress, which is good even if he does switch. I think it would be reasonable to expect him to make his choice before the qualifiers start so that we can plan properly, but if he is happy to stay with us, knowing he might get a senior call-up quite soon, then there's no reason to say no thanks to him

[Demesne Lad]

Cannon has been considered by Sunderland, who have decided that they can't afford him either on loan or on a permanent basis. Preston have spoken to Everton twice this summer about having Cannon back on loan or permanently.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tom-cannon-everton-sunderland-transfer-27290180

[Diggs246]

Cannon has been considered by Sunderland, who have decided that they can't afford him either on loan or on a permanent basis. Preston have spoken to Everton twice this summer about having Cannon back on loan or permanently.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tom-cannon-everton-sunderland-transfer-27290180

When should Thomas let us know what his intentions are?

Do we wait for months, years ?

Or worse wait for him to realize he isn't going to play for England

[pineapple stu]

You could easily see this season being a write-off in terms of him playing for us I'd say.

See how his form goes and if it's likely to be good enough to get on the England radar.

[third policeman]

I think he'll be weighing up his own prospects and ours as well. I don't think many dual eligible players with realistic alternative options will be queueing up to play for us under Kenny with nil prospects of making it to a tournament. many will say good riddance, but the fact that we were qualifying and competing was clearly a consideration in the Charlton era and under Mick 1. Some of those players are now revered as legends.

[seanfhear]

Is he out of our range ?

[JR89]

When should Thomas let us know what his intentions are?

Do we wait for months, years ?

Or worse wait for him to realize he isn't going to play for England

There won't be long to wait. He'll either be with us or be with England come the September window so he'll need to get his paperwork sorted if he's gonna switch.

Don't think he has time to wait around thinking about it because if he feels like England is the way to go he needs to be starting this upcoming U21s campaign for them. Might be the only time he gets to pull on an England shirt for awhile cause to break into the senior team is gonna take something special.

[dr_peepee]

I dunno. It’s probbly the best time in decades to be a young English centre forward with aspirations for senior caps? Who is there aside from a currently 30 year old Kane blocking his path for medium term caps?

[elatedscum]

Long term, Rashford probably moves centrally if Kane were to retire soon, with Saka and Grealish/Foden on either side

Other options: Ivan Toney, Ollie Watkins, Tammy Abraham, Eddie Nketiah - all of whom are on a totally different level to Cannon right now

[Razors left peg]

They also just won an u21 Euros and I'm sure there's a couple strikers in there that would have a claim.

I have a feeling Cannon will stay with us, not based on anything but gut feeling. I think he threw a strop this summer over not being picked in squad after missing training camp but I think time will hopefully heal that. I agree that we'll probably know by September

[liamoo11]

They also just won an u21 Euros and I'm sure there's a couple strikers in there that would have a claim.

I have a feeling Cannon will stay with us, not based on anything but gut feeling. I think he threw a strop this summer over not being picked in squad after missing training camp but I think time will hopefully heal that. I agree that we'll probably know by September

They actually played Gordon as there central striker in the euros which was interesting. The only recognised striker I think they had in squad was Archer from villa who had a good season on loan last year. The next 21s group for them has the likes of delap and scarlet from spurs as their centre forwards who haven't yet done as much as Cannon in senior football

[tetsujin1979]

incidentally, Delap's just signed for Hull on loan for the upcoming season

[Jd2793]

Long term, Rashford probably moves centrally if Kane were to retire soon, with Saka and Grealish/Foden on either side

Other options: Ivan Toney, Ollie Watkins, Tammy Abraham, Eddie Nketiah - all of whom are on a totally different level to Cannon right now

between watkins and abraham i cant see there being many free games to hand out a cap to someone like canon. all the best to him, no issue with him switching now but id be shocked if he made more than a few token apps against a san marino in quals

[dr_peepee]

I deliberately cited “medium term” regarding an English forward senior ambitions. The 21s started the final without a specialised club level centre forward from what I seen. And I don’t think the Watkins Abrahams and Toneys of this world present an insurmountable blockage for a reasonably good forward in 3-4 years time. I stand by the previous post. It’s the best time in decades to be a young English centre forward with Aspirations for senior caps. He’s jumped ship for sure. Good luck to him. Kenny should take ownership of the message though. And not another fluffy debacle ah la Rice and Grealish. “Apparently the young man has a decision to make. He knows how we value him. He knows how we feel and where we are. I’m giving him space and I won’t field any more questions on this from the media until I hear anything different from him.” Then shut down any questions on it there after.

[Razors left peg]

Englands best young striker is probably Mason Greenwood if he can ever sort his career out, Cannon would be a good bit below his level, but he also may never play for England again given the personal stuff. With the players that have been listed here Cannon could have a decent shot of getting a good few caps for them if he starts playing regularly for Everton. Arguably he could have more difficult competition for the striker spot with Ireland with Ferguson ahead of him

[liamoo11]

Englands best young striker is probably Mason Greenwood if he can ever sort his career out, Cannon would be a good bit below his level, but he also may never play for England again given the personal stuff. With the players that have been listed here Cannon could have a decent shot of getting a good few caps for them if he starts playing regularly for Everton. Arguably he could have more difficult competition for the striker spot with Ireland with Ferguson ahead of him

This may not weather well but I don't think his overall game is anywhere near good enough to be a top level front man

[Razors left peg]

This may not weather well but I don't think his overall game is anywhere near good enough to be a top level front man

Right now we really don't know either way. He basically did what Obafemi did in season before where he was great in 2nd half of season. He needs to follow it up, Obafemi hasn't done that yet so we'll see on Cannon

[elatedscum]

I deliberately cited “medium term” regarding an English forward senior ambitions. The 21s started the final without a specialised club level centre forward from what I seen. And I don’t think the Watkins Abrahams and Toneys of this world present an insurmountable blockage for a reasonably good forward in 3-4 years time. I stand by the previous post. It’s the best time in decades to be a young English centre forward with Aspirations for senior caps.

Thing is with England, within 5 years there’ll probably be another wunderkind - think Owen, Rooney, Rashford, Greenwood. You can’t just look upwards for a country the size of England.

Or there’ll be an unheralded late developer like Vardy. In my lifetime and probably long before that, England have always had a world class striker leading the line

Maybe your right - but I still think right now, Tom Cannon probably only has a 25% chance of getting England senior caps and maybe a 10% chance of making a genuine international contribution, as opposed to the Danny Ings (3 caps, 1 goal) type scenario

[JR89]

Englands best young striker is probably Mason Greenwood if he can ever sort his career out, Cannon would be a good bit below his level, but he also may never play for England again given the personal stuff. With the players that have been listed here Cannon could have a decent shot of getting a good few caps for them if he starts playing regularly for Everton. Arguably he could have more difficult competition for the striker spot with Ireland with Ferguson ahead of him

Speaking of this piece of **** it was disappointing to see James Abankwah posing with him for a picture in Dubai at a training session.

[Razors left peg]

Speaking of this piece of **** it was disappointing to see James Abankwah posing with him for a picture in Dubai at a training session.

Well the girl he allegedly attacked is pregnant and living with him. Maybe it's not as clear cut as the media made it out to be. I'm torn on it tbh, the guy has not being convicted of anything, his girlfriend obviously forgiven him and there's plenty of stories out there of how some of our own "legends" treated women in their heyday.

I'm not a big fan of trial by media and if the guy was not even prosecuted he probably should be allowed get on with his career ... and I wouldn't go too hard on Abankwah

[LurcherLover]

Regardless of the pics of her busted up etc; I don't know how anyone can listen to the audio recording and not come to the conclusion that he's an absolute scumbag. I don't care how young you are, what the circumstances were or that the young girl is still with him, you're an absolute scumbag.

[SkStu]

He’s on his way back to PNE for the season.

[liamoo11]

They signed Stewart from liverpool permanently this week same age as Cannon missed over 12 months with an acl but always looked good underage for the pool as a 9

[Demesne Lad]

He’s on his way back to PNE for the season.

Cannon's attendance at Saturday's PNE friendly v Aberdeen was a giveaway. Between Cannon, Stewart, Will Keane and the other new signing, Mads Frøkjær, PNE seem sorted up front for 2023/24.

[Razors left peg]

I think if hes back with Preston theres a very good chance hes back with us too. My fear for him getting an England call up would have been if he hit the ground running for Everton this season. Playing in the Championship will put him well down the pecking order for England.

I still think is non inclusion in the Greece squad caused a bit of a hissy fit with him and Im hoping over a few months there has been communication and cooler heads will get it sorted. Hopefully we'll know by September.

[SkStu]

Agree that this is seemingly good news for us and if I were Kenny id be promising him a call up in Autumn.

Does it put him too far down the pecking order for the English U21's though, which is the team that had contacted him and where there are some perspectives that they are light on strikers?

[Razors left peg]

Agree that this is seemingly good news for us and if I were Kenny id be promising him a call up in Autumn.

Does it put him too far down the pecking order for the English U21's though, which is the team that had contacted him and where there are some perspectives that they are light on strikers?

He'd get in the England u21 squad alright, so there does have to be a senior call up on the table. If Cannon was left out because he missed the training camp it was a bit of a stupid mistake by Kenny, Im convinced that caused Cannon to act like a child, so theres plenty of blame to go around. Thats why Im hoping that they have been in contact through the summer to sort it out.... I thought Everton might look at him this season though so maybe they dont rate him all that highly. Might be a little sign that hes not as good as all this hassle is worth!

[Eirambler]

To be honest I'd say the next thing we'll hear about Cannon on the international front will be when he's called up to the England under 21s this autumn. Hope I'm wrong, but the decision was never between the Ireland seniors and the England seniors, it's between the Ireland seniors and the England Under 21s. The fact he's considering their under 21s at all over our seniors tells us where his preference lies most likely.

[Diggs246]

To be honest I'd say the next thing we'll hear about Cannon on the international front will be when he's called up to the England under 21s this autumn. Hope I'm wrong, but the decision was never between the Ireland seniors and the England seniors, it's between the Ireland seniors and the England Under 21s. The fact he's considering their under 21s at all over our seniors tells us where his preference lies most likely.

I think your right
"If there is a Doubt then there is no doubt"

Also I'm pretty sure( but not positive )he knew he wouldn't be part of the Everton first team before he pulled out of our last squad

[Razors left peg]

Is there a process to switch countries that takes a bit of time? If he were to switch to England u21s wouldnt we hear about it well in advance while the paperwork goes in? Or could he just make the decision in September and go straight into their squad?

[JR89]

Could take around four weeks. Rice officially requested his switch in mid Feb 2019 and was lining out for England the following month. So would assume Cannon would likely have to have his request in within the next two weeks maybe.

[Eirambler]

For all we know it could already be gone in. There's no requirement to make these things public. For example we didn't hear about Charlie McCann's switch until it was all but done.

[Razors left peg]

For all we know it could already be gone in. There's no requirement to make these things public. For example we didn't hear about Charlie McCann's switch until it was all but done.

You'd imagine word would leak from the FAI if that was happening though?

[JR89]

Would likely leak from Cannons camp before someone in the FAI leaked it.

[Demesne Lad]

I had thought Cannon's loan move back to PNE was finalised, but it seems it's not quite done yet. "Everton have been looking to bag as much as £1m before agreeing to sanction the forward’s loan". PNE still predicted to Meet Everton's demands.

https://insidefutbol.com/2023/08/01/birmingham-city-stoke-city-and-sheffield-wednesday-set-for-tom-cannon-disappointment/613579/

[Demesne Lad]

An unused sub for Everton v Fulham yesterday. Journalist Alan Nixon (The Sun) has now claimed that Leeds United could be preparing an £8m bid for him, but hedges his bets by speculating that Cannon could be allowed to leave Merseyside and join Preston on Wednesday (www.deepdaledigest.com).

[liamoo11]

Can this lad s thread be moved to some other forum while we await his decision? I really hope at this stage he keeps jogging on

[tetsujin1979]

Threads aren't moved until a player's international allegiance is changed.

[SkStu]

Has apparently asked to leave Everton to pursue first team football (reliable Everton Twitter ITK) and Norwich rumoured to have made a £7m bid (less reliable source).

[pineapple stu]

Seems a logical move with Sergeant looking at a few months on the sidelines. May well push Idah back onto the bench, but Norwich's lookout is themselves and re-stocking up front makes sense. Albeit a permanent move rather than a season-long loan is interesting.

[ifk101]

Wonder why he is keen to move and Everton, goalless so far in the PL, would be willing to let go. Seems staying put is the better career choice (i.e. wanting to play at the highest level possible and to play for England ... :-))