Portugal V Republic of Ireland - Wednesday, 1st Sep 2021 - 2022 World Cup Qualifier [Archive] - Page 5

CraftyToePoke

30/08/2021, 5:39 PM

Do we even know if this guy (never heard of him btw, I don�t follow English football that closely) is interested in playing for Ireland ? And before anyone suggests we should be chasing him to find out, no, we absolutely should not.

He has spoken about wanting to and it almost happening underage before but Ireland going cold on it when paperwork was underway or something along those lines.

pineapple stu

30/08/2021, 5:40 PM

Pym has played 3 weeks of Championship football. Talbot has more experience of European football than Pym has of the Championship.
Talbot played four of his six European games against Stjarnan and Dudelange. Pym's League One experience trumps that. Probably the League Two too.

Do we even know if this guy (never heard of him btw, I don’t follow English football that closely) is interested in playing for Ireland ?
He seemed up for it in the article I linked earlier anyway.

ifk101

30/08/2021, 5:48 PM

Is Talbot?

Debatable.

.... which you didn't mention for some reason.

editing miss, meant L1.

. Is his career on an upward trajectory?

Talbot's career is on an upward trajectory, no?

I can't imagine a professional keeper in this day and age is significantly out of shape. Also, the internet says he's an inch taller than Talbot.

He looks overweight for what I've seen. Don't know his height.

That's probably the biggest factor in all this alright. Which goes back to the question of have we followed up with Pym since last March? (And that's acknowledging that following up random 2G/3G players indicates that we still have serious issues developing our own players, and is only going to lead to more Declan Rice scenarios down the line)

Debate for another thread.

SkStu

30/08/2021, 5:55 PM

Don't think a previous call-up a couple of years back really matters tbh. Is that the only reason you have in favour of calling up Talbot?

No, but i do think it matters in this context. We know Talbot is Irish and available; we are speculating wildly about Pym's availability. And, really, I don't think either keeper is the long term answer to our #1 jersey. For fear of repeating myself, it wasnt really about Talbot per se, i just found it a bit puzzling that someone was getting so passionate about a keeper being in the team that hadn't even been on his radar five minutes earlier.

It's hard to compare a player from YouTube and one from the stands when they're facing a very different standard of players. Talbot is playing Longford, Harps and Dundalk. Pym has been playing the likes of WBA and Cardiff, and will be facing better players every day in training. Better players will ask harder questions of a goalkeeper, so Pym looking a bit dodgy may well still be better than Talbot being comfortable in the LoI.

There was a lot of excitement when Szmodmics was called up last year from the same club don't forget.

Just to be clear, i saw about 4-5 Peterborough games last season and have seen one this season. Pym played in all of them. I have also watched almost every Bohs game this season. I think it is fair to make an assessment of merit based on that sample size. My assessment might be right, it might be wrong. Have you seen Pym play at all?

Re: Szmodics; he looked good when he came on against WBA the other night. I don't think people were excited about his call up (maybe Crafty :D), i remember it more being "who the heck is this lad?!" haha

Talbot played four of his six European games against Stjarnan and Dudelange. Pym's League One experience trumps that. Probably the League Two too.

Do you really think it is that definitive?

Also, why did you leave out PAOK? And Fehervar away last year?

Kingdom

30/08/2021, 6:04 PM

How many international footballers play for Stjarnam, Dudelange and PAOK compared to say, Bristol Rovers, Rochdale and Wimbledon?

pineapple stu

30/08/2021, 6:17 PM

Talbot's career is on an upward trajectory, no?
Is it? He had a poor loan spell at Darlington and joined Bohs then. Been there three years; this year isn't going as well as last for Bohs (Europe aside)

He looks overweight for what I've seen. Don't know his height.
He's 6'1". An inch taller than Talbot, an inch shorter than Kelleher/Bazunu. Weight is hard to get a definitive figure on - soccerbase says he's 11st 9lbs. Jed Steer, apparently the shortest keeper in the Premier League, is 6'0" and 12st 8lbs. Of course, weight isn't even a good guide necessarily because as you lose fat and put on muscle (which he maybe needs to do), you gain weight.

No, but i do think it matters in this context. We know Talbot is Irish and available; we are speculating wildly about Pym's availability. And, really, I don't think either keeper is the long term answer to our #1 jersey.
Well yeah, if it's an easy selection to fill a gap with a player who won't be played, then I agree, for sure. That said, given how many randomers Kenny has been calling up lately, you'd think this would be a good excuse to get a new guy in. Would he be better than Travers, for example? But if his paperwork isn't in order or if he's changed his mind, then for sure; he doesn't make the squad. And we have feck all other options. Westwood is clubless now and will probably retire. The troll in me would suggest Ed McGinty - conceding far fewer goals than Talbot and was 21s international :)

I haven't seen Pym play (or much of Talbot either). But the conclusion from the Jack Byrne thread is still fairly relevant I think.

Yes, playing League One week in week out is absolutely better experience than playing an Icelandic side and a pre-season Luxembourg side. No question about that.

I left out PAOK because it was valid experience. I forgot about Fehervar if I'm quite honest. :o

SkStu

30/08/2021, 6:36 PM

OK. It looks to me as though you might be guilty of cherry picking subjective indicators to suit a predisposed opinion on which player out of the two is better. Instead of maybe finding a bit of time to watch both players and then factor in all the available information to take a position. Which is fine, something we are probably all guilty of. Even me, believe it or not.

[League One week in / week out] does not create a definitive case for greater than [Premier Division week in / week out plus 9 games in Europe].

Stuttgart88

30/08/2021, 6:47 PM

Pym looks out of shape to me. It's unusual for something like this to be apparent but it was something that stood out for me when I saw him. Paddy Kenny didn't look athletic and was an excellent keeper so it's not the be all and end all.

I said it to a couple of foot.ie lads behind the goal in Copenhagen in 2019 during the goalkeeper warm up drills that I thought Talbot looked a proper unit. It turns out he is shorter than I thought but I was very impressed by his physical presence. In fairness I think he was poor for Bohs a few times last season and I'm not sure why McGuinness(?) played instead of him in several games - injury or form?

But whatever the merits of each, picking a young talented Irish keeper instead of a League 1 keeper with a few week's Championship experience isn't in any way a stick to beat Kenny with, especially for 3rd choice while a veteran keeper is lacking game time and seems to be on the edge of a club move.

ifk101

30/08/2021, 6:51 PM

Is it?

Well he just got an international call-up ....

He's 6'1". An inch taller than Talbot, an inch shorter than Kelleher/Bazunu. Weight is hard to get a definitive figure on - soccerbase says he's 11st 9lbs. Jed Steer, apparently the shortest keeper in the Premier League, is 6'0" and 12st 8lbs. Of course, weight isn't even a good guide necessarily because as you lose fat and put on muscle (which he maybe needs to do), you gain weight.

Watched the Peterborough - Derby game a couple of weeks back to have a look at Ebosele, and Pym appeared overweight in that game. Maybe he put on a few (or more) pounds over the summer as some footballers do and soccerbase has his pre-summer frolics weight?

pineapple stu

30/08/2021, 7:37 PM

I don't think you can really use "international call-up" (as third choice keeper for a poor national side) to define Talbot as elite while saying Pym (a Championship starter) isn't. That doesn't make sense.

Yes, it's hard to get exact details on weight for sure. I still think if he has an issue, it's that he's underweight, but out of condition (for the reasons I gave already - ie fat weighs less than muscle). But still, he's a professional footballer; they're going to be closely monitored and I find it hard to believe he's that far out of shape and still starting games.

SkStu

30/08/2021, 7:53 PM

Current
https://bwinnewsprod.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/es/uploads/2021/03/bl15812538071126.png

Younger
https://alchetron.com/cdn/christy-pym-a1c6d002-dd03-46ff-bf88-11a15f3fa1c-resize-750.jpg

Diggs246

30/08/2021, 8:01 PM

And two days ago. He makes saves on 23 seconds and 1.min 5 secs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jP5xuGnMtrE

CraftyToePoke

30/08/2021, 8:24 PM

I still think if he has an issue, it's that he's underweight, but out of condition (for the reasons I gave already - ie fat weighs less than muscle). But still, he's a professional footballer; they're going to be closely monitored and I find it hard to believe he's that far out of shape and still starting games.

You're in the realms of fantasy here.

Also re his height, I was at a pre season game of his V a non league side, he was warming up ten feet from me and if he's 6 1 then I'm 6 1 and I'm 5 11

Stuttgart88

30/08/2021, 8:25 PM

Current
https://bwinnewsprod.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/es/uploads/2021/03/bl15812538071126.png

Younger
https://alchetron.com/cdn/christy-pym-a1c6d002-dd03-46ff-bf88-11a15f3fa1c-resize-750.jpghis chin is big boned.

Stuttgart88

30/08/2021, 8:27 PM

And two days ago. He makes saves on 23 seconds and 1.min 5 secs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jP5xuGnMtrEI can see why you call yourself digs.

CraftyToePoke

30/08/2021, 8:33 PM

And two days ago. He makes saves on 23 seconds and 1.min 5 secs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jP5xuGnMtrE

Goalkeeper makes saves, big news there Diggs, borderline revelations stuff, keep it coming.

tetsujin1979

30/08/2021, 8:37 PM

Can we move on from the height and weight of a player who isn't in the squad?

SkStu

30/08/2021, 8:38 PM

his chin is big boned.

No it isnt. It's just out of condition.

John83

30/08/2021, 8:59 PM

Can we move on from the height and weight of a player who isn't in the squad?
I guess it beats doom and gloom, just about.

It's also a little heartening to see we might have slightly more goalkeeping depth than it seemed in the spring when Randolph being out was a crisis.

pineapple stu

30/08/2021, 9:31 PM

You're in the realms of fantasy here.

Also re his height, I was at a pre season game of his V a non league side, he was warming up ten feet from me and if he's 6 1 then I'm 6 1 and I'm 5 11

I mean, there's nothing in that post of substance at all.

UCD were doing fat checks 20 years ago. But Peterborough aren't today? Or if they are, then rather than disciplining Pym for being fat/out of shape, they're actually starting him?

Come off it.

CraftyToePoke

30/08/2021, 9:45 PM

I mean, there's nothing in that post of substance at all.

UCD were doing fat checks 20 years ago. But Peterborough aren't today? Or if they are, then rather than disciplining Pym for being fat/out of shape, they're actually starting him?

Come off it.

Yet you are happy to declare ' the internet ' says he's 6 1 earlier
Because the internet only carries the truth eh Pineappler ?

You are one who's posts have always had a fairly casual relationship with reality on here, IMO, entertaining at times, but only that. However today you truly do exceed yourself.

Diggs246

30/08/2021, 9:50 PM

Yet you are happy to declare ' the internet ' says he's 6 1 earlier
Because the internet only carries the truth eh Pineappler ?

You are one who's posts have always had a fairly casual relationship with reality on here, IMO, entertaining at times, but only that. However today you truly do exceed yourself.

You're very very noisy today

CraftyToePoke

30/08/2021, 9:53 PM

You're very very noisy today

Good man Diggsy :)
We'll leave it there so, because tets wont tolerate much more I'd wager ;)

John83

30/08/2021, 9:56 PM

Can we move on from the height and weight of a player who isn't in the squad?
Lads, just to say, this was a mod directive, and posts are getting reported. Knock it off.

paul_oshea

30/08/2021, 10:04 PM

When did geysir get hold of craftys login creds?

seanfhear

30/08/2021, 10:11 PM

his chin is big boned.
A Happy Man.

Eirambler

30/08/2021, 10:15 PM

Is Talbot really only 5'11"? Regardless of how talented or otherwise he is I can't see much of a future at a high level for a keeper who isn't even 6 foot tall being honest - that's just not tall enough for a keeper.

elatedscum

30/08/2021, 11:21 PM

Heard some speculation on radio that there was a move for Randolph in the works which may have meant that it made sense to stay until deadline day passed.

On the subject of keepers, genuinely if I were in charge and Randolph and Travers weren't available, I'd call up Sean McDermott. Covid might complicate things as a normal person would have to quarantine on return to Norway from Ireland. I just think he's never really had the opportunity his talent merits and I'd like Kenny and Kiely to work with him and see him in training... He had some injury issues during covid and the league was delayed over there but he was playing regularly last time i checked...

Talbot's a decent keeper, wouldn't want him starting against portugal, but i'd feel almost as worried starting Travers for that game. I think Max O'Leary is another lad who is probably better than Talbot but isn't getting any game time, sitting on the bench for a championship team (possibly where Travers will be for the majority of the season). No idea where Pym rates - have only seen highlights. O'Hara seems to have really gone, looks like he's 3rd choice for a League 1 team, which considering he was 2nd choice for Mick is a fall from grace.

For all the talk, goalkeeper is a position of relative strength. Kinda

Colbert Report

31/08/2021, 12:00 AM

Came in here ready to dump on our manager for calling up players from a pub league, but if it is true that Randolph isn't vaccinated, then there's no need to risk an outbreak in the group if he's not willing to take the jab. No need to bring up a proper third string goalkeeper if he's not going to play anyway, better to save some money and have a local lad fill in.

ontheotherhand

31/08/2021, 12:21 AM

Illuminating.

ifk101

31/08/2021, 6:50 AM

For all the talk, goalkeeper is a position of relative strength. Kinda

Potentially, in a few years. Certainly stacked for options at CB. Rest of the team ... meh.

But Kenny & Co. would have known for at least 36hrs prior to calling up Talbot that Travers was a (major) doubt – so they had time to weigh up options, done what needs to be done behind the scenes, and from that determined Talbot as the choice. I rather congratulate Talbot on his inclusion rather than using it as another stick to beat Kenny with as, by and large, he is picking the strongest squad available to him.

tetsujin1979

31/08/2021, 7:33 AM

seanfhear

31/08/2021, 8:10 AM

There's no evidence of Randolph's vaccination status, so let's not speculate about it
Yes. That is a Persons Private Medical Information.

Stuttgart88

31/08/2021, 8:37 AM

But Kenny & Co. would have known for at least 36hrs prior to calling up Talbot that Travers was a (major) doubt – so they had time to weigh up options...and Talbot came in lighter :)

Eminence Grise

31/08/2021, 9:01 AM

Irish Indo: Randolph's position was complicated by the fact that he is on the verge of a move away from West Ham. He has dropped to third choice there and, with the transfer window set to close tomorrow, Randolph has club business to finalise across the next 24 hours. (https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/bohs-goalkeeper-james-talbot-earns-ireland-call-up-with-mark-travers-withdrawn-from-squad-40801719.html)

Same reason Hourihane was delayed joining the squad. And that appears to be the long and the short of it.

Eirambler

31/08/2021, 9:12 AM

That would apply to a few other Irish players today also. But I suppose given that Kenny has already made it clear he doesn't want to pick him in these games there was probably nothing to gain from giving him a late call up to warm the bench in Portugal.

Diggs246

31/08/2021, 1:35 PM

F**k you, you Spanish tart
https://www.the42.ie/fernando-santos-5536262-Aug2021/

seanfhear

31/08/2021, 2:02 PM

F**k you, you Spanish tart
https://www.the42.ie/fernando-santos-5536262-Aug2021/
A Declaration of War.

paul_oshea

31/08/2021, 2:52 PM

Until we start seeing Ireland actually perform in a game playing a different style we can't complain. We're a long way from that yet, if we ever get there.

DeLorean

31/08/2021, 2:59 PM

Until we start seeing Ireland actually perform in a game playing a different style we can't complain. We're a long way from that yet, if we ever get there.

I think it's fair enough to complain about being labelled '"British", regardless.

paul_oshea

31/08/2021, 3:50 PM

I think we've spoken about this before was this translated as British style or British team, it's fair game really. Id imagine most countries know the Republic of Ireland is a sovereign state.

CraftyToePoke

31/08/2021, 4:00 PM

He will know this, yes, but it shows also they are that confident about tomorrow they are happy call us the one thing we really don't like being called possibly.

And they will get some hop when we total football them off the field tomorrow in a very non British style.

Stuttgart88

31/08/2021, 4:09 PM

What is British style these days anyway? More advanced than us I'd say.

ontheotherhand

31/08/2021, 4:32 PM

Playing 9 defenders and hoping Harry Kane can bundle one in with his hoop?

John83

31/08/2021, 7:00 PM

Playing 9 defenders and hoping Harry Kane can bundle one in with his hoop?
That's very reductionist. You've completely ignored the penalty-seeking nature of their attack. It might be **** to watch, and occasionally rise above borderline cheating to non-borderline cheating, but let's not let our hatred of the British blind us to the nature of their current team.

Lucky *******s: their fifth choice right back would arguably be our best player these days. Style is not nothing, but it's completely subservient to quality of players.

Trequartista20

31/08/2021, 7:35 PM

All things considered, saying suggesting we played with a 'British' style of play would be a very great and undeserved compliment.

Trequartista20

31/08/2021, 7:36 PM

All things considered, suggesting we played with a 'British' style of play would be a very great and undeserved compliment.

ontheotherhand

31/08/2021, 8:07 PM

That's very reductionist. You've completely ignored the penalty-seeking nature of their attack. It might be **** to watch, and occasionally rise above borderline cheating to non-borderline cheating, but let's not let our hatred of the British blind us to the nature of their current team.

Lucky *******s: their fifth choice right back would arguably be our best player these days. Style is not nothing, but it's completely subservient to quality of players.

You're right, I'd forgotten about Sterling. That two pronged attack in front of 8 defenders thankfully only got them so far but I actually think Southgate was brave to try something new and not cave in to the hype around a lot of their attacking players. Maybe it's how we should line up given we only seem to have keepers and defenders of any quality available.