View Full Version : Liam Scales D Celtic b.1998
pineapple stu
26/08/2023, 3:31 PM
Starts for Celtic today, his first Celtic start since Jan 2022. They're 0-0 against St Johnstone with 15 to go, but at least it's a clean sheet so far.
Trequartista20
03/09/2023, 10:11 AM
Starts the Old Firm derby.
joey B
03/09/2023, 11:48 AM
Done fine for the most part so far,looks more assured than his partner beside him anyway…..
Done fine for the most part so far,looks more assured than his partner beside him anyway…..
Chalk that down cause he looks like an accident waiting to happen and only for VAR it would have happened.
pineapple stu
03/09/2023, 1:39 PM
Seems to have been named man of the match, looking at the Celtic forum?
Trequartista20
03/09/2023, 1:40 PM
Looked solid defensively and decent in possession, from what I saw of the match.
That looked a very soft freekick to save Lagerbielke, though I expect it'll still be Scales that gets dropped when Phillips inevitably comes into the team.
joey B
03/09/2023, 1:52 PM
Fine performance from Scales,his distribution in comparison to the fella beside him was night and day in the first half in particular,hopefully he'll get more game time.....
third policeman
03/09/2023, 4:26 PM
Fine performance from Scales,his distribution in comparison to the fella beside him was night and day in the first half in particular,hopefully he'll get more game time.....
Gets Player of The Match nod from BBC.
pineapple stu
13/09/2023, 8:10 AM
Named in Celtic's Champions League squad for the upcoming group stage. Presumably the only Irish player across any of the squads?
2 Year Contract
13/09/2023, 8:27 AM
Named in Celtic's Champions League squad for the upcoming group stage. Presumably the only Irish player across any of the squads?
Kelleher at Liverpool
EDIT: whoops, they’re Europa League this year. Move along now nothing to see here :)
seanfhear
13/09/2023, 10:22 AM
Kelleher at Liverpool
EDIT: whoops, they’re Europa League this year. Move along now nothing to see here :)
There was some rumour / talk that Celtic might have been looking at Kelleher.
backstothewall
13/09/2023, 11:57 AM
There was some rumour / talk that Celtic might have been looking at Kelleher.
That would be an ideal move for all involved
Good to see that he keeps his place in the starting XI with Lagerbielke dropping to the bench for Nat Phillips.
pineapple stu
16/09/2023, 3:27 PM
Phillips off at halftime for Lagerbielke. Not sure if that's an injury or form. But can't hurt Scales
Delighted for him to get a run in the Celtic team. I'm guessing he's surprised more than me breaking in there, seemed like he was destined for another loan move.
Can only assume he will be starting in the CL during the week too. They won't be favourites by any means but looking at their group they have a huge chance to make the last 16 of that competition.
They will need to pick up a few results if they want to keep there automatic CL group stage position too.
Poor Student
17/09/2023, 7:27 PM
Scales is benefitting from a perfect storm of injuries, Starfelt leaving and new signings struggling to settle. I think when everyone is fit he'll probably drift back down to 4th or 5th choice CB. He's definitely applying himself well and doing his best to avail of the opportunity but I would say he lacks the qaulity of a Cameron Vickers or Starfelt. He's also probably Celtic's 2nd choice LB for Europe as Bernabei wasn't given a squad number and that's possibly testament to his recent performance at Ibrox.
tetsujin1979
17/09/2023, 8:12 PM
Named in Celtic's Champions League squad for the upcoming group stage. Presumably the only Irish player across any of the squads?
Mikey Johnston is named in Celtic's squad as well
https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/clubs/50050--celtic/squad/
Stuttgart88
18/09/2023, 4:56 PM
I like how Scales is very composed with the ball at his feet and always seems to know where an opponent is available. Some good long balls on Saturday, one led to a goal that was disallowed for a tight offside. I'm wondering if there's a DM to be made out of him. I think Collins could do a job at DM too, a position I was reluctant to consider him for until recently but I've changed my mind - out of necessity!
seanfhear
18/09/2023, 5:03 PM
I like how Scales is very composed with the ball at his feet and always seems to know where an opponent is available. Some good long balls on Saturday, one led to a goal that was disallowed for a tight offside. I'm wondering if there's a DM to be made out of him. I think Collins could do a job at DM too, a position I was reluctant to consider him for until recently but I've changed my mind - out of necessity! What's it all about Alfie ? !
Stuttgart88
19/09/2023, 8:36 AM
Christ, old age creepng in. I meant "teammate"! I was trying to say he has a good pass completion rate when under pressure from opponents. He waits that extra fraction of a second and doesn't panic, but knows when to hit it long if needed.
Olé Olé
19/09/2023, 9:44 AM
Assume he is likely to start tonight away to Feyenoord in Champions League?
Yeah think they're still missing most of their CBs. Nat Phillips came off at the weekend with a knock so could literally be down to Scales and Lagerbielke as their only CBs. Lagerbielke being the bomb scare from the Rangers game. Feyenoord probably licking their lips as they've scored 17 goals in their last 3 league games.
weldoninhio
19/09/2023, 11:25 AM
Mikey Johnston is named in Celtic's squad as well
https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/clubs/50050--celtic/squad/
Rocco Vata in the squad too. 3 Irishmen in the CL.
tetsujin1979
19/09/2023, 11:30 AM
Rocco Vata in the squad too. 3 Irishmen in the CL.
Ben Quinn added as well. They weren't named when I posted the link, they're in the B squad.
joey B
19/09/2023, 5:56 PM
Starts tonight away at Feyenoord…
Eirambler
19/09/2023, 7:04 PM
Must be the first Irish outfield player in the Champions League group stages in a while, or maybe I've forgotten someone? Did Matt Doherty play Champions League at Spurs?
Featurd in the CL last season for Spurs.
Colbert Report
19/09/2023, 7:49 PM
I've been impressed with Scales in the first half. Rodgers has them playing the same way Swansea played ten years ago, lots of playing the ball out from the back. Unlucky to be down at the half from an excellent free kick.
joey B
19/09/2023, 8:28 PM
His partner beside him Lagerbielke sent off after 65 minutes ,second time I’ve seen him and he looks really poor,Scales definitely ahead of him in the pecking order when they are all fit…..
Stuttgart88
20/09/2023, 8:09 AM
I thought Scales was good last night and was actually one of Celtic’s few good performers over the full game. Brought a calmness to the defence, defended well and always looked to do the right thing with the ball, even if his deep CMs mightn’t have thanked him at times - but that’s their job. One or two stray passes late in the first half that put Celtic under pressure in a spell where Feyenoord had the bit between their teeth. Definitely showed more composure than Lagerbielke! I like him.
Fixer82
20/09/2023, 9:09 AM
His partner beside him Lagerbielke sent off after 65 minutes ,second time I’ve seen him and he looks really poor,Scales definitely ahead of him in the pecking order when they are all fit…..
Was watching in pub with sound off.
Was he sent off for the foul for the penalty? Or for protesting?
I thought it was a really soft peno
pineapple stu
20/09/2023, 9:25 AM
It was a second yellow anyway. Think view on commentary (I was only half watching) was that it was a soft enough penalty alright. But that's what the yellow was for afaik
joey B
20/09/2023, 11:08 AM
Was watching in pub with sound off.
Was he sent off for the foul for the penalty? Or for protesting?
I thought it was a really soft peno
Definitely very soft,the Feyenoord player took a bit of a dive I thought….
Stuttgart88
20/09/2023, 11:10 AM
He did but Lagerbielke gave him the opportunity by having his hands all over him. I never once felt VAR would overturn it.
irishfan86
20/09/2023, 12:24 PM
Given how comfortable Scales is with the ball at his feet, wonder if he would have been a better option away to Greece when Kenny ended up playing Lenihan. A microanalysis to be sure but I thought Lenihan was brutal in possession and just didn't work in Kenny's possession-based system.
Jolly Red Giant
20/09/2023, 12:38 PM
Given how comfortable Scales is with the ball at his feet, wonder if he would have been a better option away to Greece when Kenny ended up playing Lenihan. A microanalysis to be sure but I thought Lenihan was brutal in possession and just didn't work in Kenny's possession-based system.
Would it make any real difference to the result - short and long-term. Kenny is now trying to get a result against Greece to hold onto his job by his fingertips on the outside chance we get a play-off spot and fluke our way into qualification.
I would play Scales - purely because Lenihan is 29 and we have several young defenders who are better than him.
Given how comfortable Scales is with the ball at his feet, wonder if he would have been a better option away to Greece when Kenny ended up playing Lenihan. A microanalysis to be sure but I thought Lenihan was brutal in possession and just didn't work in Kenny's possession-based system.
Given how **** the team were overall on the night I don't think it would have made a difference to the result in the end if Scales had played rather than Lenihan.
irishfan86
20/09/2023, 1:03 PM
I realize I'm being picky but I thought a lot of our dysfunction at the back and in possession came down to Lenihan being out of sync with the rest of the team. It's not all down to Lenihan obviously but I just don't think he works in a possession system.
joey B
20/09/2023, 1:06 PM
If you had of asked a Celtic fan in June where Liam Scales would be in September not many would have said getting man of the match in an Old Firm game and playing well in a away Champions League tie,can’t really make a case that he would have improved or even been in the frame for us in June,hindsight is wonderful and all that jazz….
Stuttgart88
20/09/2023, 1:24 PM
But Scales was never really poor in his first season - maybe not great in a European game in Norway where everyone was off it. He actually started his firstspell reasonably well, a (deflected) goal at Tannadice(?) too, and some assists from the left. I reckon he wasn't an Ange type player though, who seemed to like bigger, stronger CBs. Starfelt was actually a bit of a liability in his early outings but Ange persevered with him and was rewarded. CCV is a rock.
joey B
20/09/2023, 1:37 PM
But Scales was never really poor in his first season - maybe not great in a European game in Norway where everyone was off it. He actually started his firstspell reasonably well, a (deflected) goal at Tannadice(?) too, and some assists from the left. I reckon he wasn't an Ange type player though, who seemed to like bigger, stronger CBs. Starfelt was actually a bit of a liability in his early outings but Ange persevered with him and was rewarded. CCV is a rock.
Yeah that's fair but was it not thought that he was going to be moved on ? Think Aberdeen were interested in him on a permanent basis but were put off the price...
elatedscum
20/09/2023, 1:52 PM
If you had of asked a Celtic fan in June where Liam Scales would be in September not many would have said getting man of the match in an Old Firm game and playing well in a away Champions League tie,can’t really make a case that he would have improved or even been in the frame for us in June,hindsight is wonderful and all that jazz….
FWIW any time Kenny called him up as an replacement for an injured player, Kenny was widely criticised here for calling up a player who was never going to be good enough
irishfan86
20/09/2023, 2:38 PM
To be clear, I'm not saying it was a total error by Kenny not to use Scales in Greece. The safe play was definitely to play Lenihan who has played at a higher level for a longer period of time. I'm just saying based on what I saw yesterday, Scales is a much better fit in Kenny's system. There are obviously larger/greater issues at play when it comes to Kenny and I've probably been pretty clumsy in laying out my view.
tetsujin1979
20/09/2023, 2:39 PM
I realize I'm being picky but I thought a lot of our dysfunction at the back and in possession came down to Lenihan being out of sync with the rest of the team. It's not all down to Lenihan obviously but I just don't think he works in a possession system.
He was on the left of the three central defenders, but he kept drifting into the middle. This left Callum O'Dowda expired at left wing back, and both Greek goals came down that channel
Stuttgart88
20/09/2023, 2:50 PM
The Dutch identified the same channel...
Stuttgart88
20/09/2023, 3:00 PM
FWIW any time Kenny called him up as an replacement for an injured player, Kenny was widely criticised here for calling up a player who was never going to be good enough
I think there's been a fair bit of negative groupthink here wrt Scales. I don't think it's as simple as "didn't make it at Celtic so can't be considered for Ireland". My appreciation of him is clear. I think he's a fine footballer but I don't think any of us can tell what his real level is. Is he good enough for international football? I've no idea. He stood out at LOI and has held his own in SPL, even standing out away to Rangers and now in a CL away game.
ontheotherhand
20/09/2023, 3:21 PM
I think there's been a fair bit of negative groupthink here wrt Scales. I don't think it's as simple as "didn't make it at Celtic so can't be consiudered for Ireland". My appreciation of him is clear. I think he's a fine footballer but I don't think any of us can tell what his real level is. Is he good enough for international football? I've no idea. He stood out at LOI and has held his own in SPL, even standing out away to Rangers and now in a CL away game.
Agreed. A portion of Celtics fanbase seemed to turn on him but a good friend who is a season ticket holder there said he still saw a lot of potential. I watched a good few games and I while he did get caught out in Anges system a bit he wasn't as bad as people made out. He was quite good at times and it was his first season in a new setup. Aberdeen were a bit of a collective mess for a while which didn't help but he became very solid for them.
There's a small group of Celtic fans who even wanted him to fail I think. They'd been told by LoI fans that it wasn't a huge step up and wanted to prove that idea wrong. There were comments on Twitter etc before he even kicked a ball about how bad a signing it was. I know a few Rovers/Celtic fans who were pretty ****ed off about what they were hearing.
Delighted for him now. Would like to see how he would get on at LWB for Ireland. Doing well at CB now I know but he was excellent at LWB for Rovers as well. And we desperately need a LWB if we are going to continue with that formation.
John83
20/09/2023, 3:31 PM
He played well last night. He'll be in contention for us if he can stay in Celtic's team when their injuries clear up. That's the real test, not one or two games.
But Scales was never really poor in his first season - maybe not great in a European game in Norway where everyone was off it. He actually started his firstspell reasonably well, a (deflected) goal at Tannadice(?) too, and some assists from the left. I reckon he wasn't an Ange type player though, who seemed to like bigger, stronger CBs. Starfelt was actually a bit of a liability in his early outings but Ange persevered with him and was rewarded. CCV is a rock.
Has always been said he was a Dermot Desmond signing. Similar to them signing James McCarthy. One of them was actually signed that summer before Ange even joined the club I believe.
elatedscum
20/09/2023, 5:27 PM
I think there's been a fair bit of negative groupthink here wrt Scales. I don't think it's as simple as "didn't make it at Celtic so can't be considered for Ireland". My appreciation of him is clear. I think he's a fine footballer but I don't think any of us can tell what his real level is. Is he good enough for international football? I've no idea. He stood out at LOI and has held his own in SPL, even standing out away to Rangers and now in a CL away game.
re-read what i wrote and just wanted to clarify, i wasn't saying that i think that he's never going to be good enough, just that that was the consensus
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