team for wed

[Stuttgart88]

I was takinging to some idiot Ireland supporter on the ferry to the Shetland, who stated that :

1) Kerr did nothing wrong, he had no option to bring on Kavanagh for Keane
2) O'Shea did not commit a foul for the penalty
3) Our draw on Saturday was down to just bad luck

Does anyone agree ?

1) he had at least two much better options, probably three. Even if he had moved Andy Reid forward it would have been better.
2) probably right
3) our draw on Saturday was down partially to bad luck

[carnstien]

1) Kerr did nothing wrong
Personally I think he did a hell of a lot wrong. For a start I didn't agree with his team selection but the most shocking thing he did was to take off Reid for Doherty. Reid was our most dangerous attacking player for the whole game and when you consider that the likes of Holland and Kilbane had contributed nothing in the whole game, it was a brutal decision.

I nearly cried when I saw him do it to be honest.

I agree with you on your point that the penalty was a joke, but the draw was not entirely down to bad luck.

[thejollyrodger]

personally im surprised no one has started up a Josh - your crap ! why bother ? thread. Josh hasnt made any progress in the last few years and I dont think he will either .. Still better than Hearte but that doesnt take much beating.

[tetsujin1979]

I was takinging to some idiot Ireland supporter on the ferry to the Shetland, who stated that :

1) Kerr did nothing wrong, he had no option to bring on Kavanagh for Keane
2) O'Shea did not commit a foul for the penalty
3) Our draw on Saturday was down to just bad luck

Does anyone agree ?

1 - He had 2 strikers on the bench, 2 better options the way the games was going IMO. Had Kavanagh scored the winner, we'd all be saying something different
2 - Other end of the ground to me, I can't comment.
3 - Partially bad luck.

[eirebhoy]

3) our draw on Saturday was down partially to bad luck
I think it was by far and away mostly down to bad luck.


Robbie Keane gets injured and should have got a penalty
Matt Holland makes a decent tackle and the ref gives a free kick which the Israeli's scored from. There was a lot of luck with the header too as there was no way he could have aimed for top corner.
Given mis-kicks the ball which resulted in the Israeli's gaining possession and O'Shea giving away a peno. I don't know if a mis-kick can be put down to bad luck but still a penalty is hardly Kerr's fault.
The ball is on the way into the Israel net but it hits Duff in the head.
Awat hadn't a clue where O'Shea's header was going and it somehow hits his under arm.
Awat was allowed to spend most of the second half time wasting
Awat gives O'Brien a box and O'Brien gets sent off for tugging him


Any decent referee and we would have won that match which to me says it was mainly down to luck. Holland's tackle was a fair one and if it was a decent ref he wouldn't have given that free kick and therefore O'Shea wouldn't have fouled Benayoun in injury time.

[Curtains]

Changing me mind on the team. Reckon kerr will play the following:

Given

Carr Cunningham Keane Harte

A.Reid Kilbane Kavanagh Duff

Morrison Doherty

Subs: Elliott, Holland,Kenny

While John O'Shea is off fishing for trout, I would have Roy fill in the hole at the back.
Kavanagh to partner Kilbane, coz he played well for the 60 odd minutes he was on for.
I can see Doherty being a handfull for their back four.
Clint is due another calssic.
:ball: :D


Come on this is the faroes here!! We dont need keane in defence. The DOC has enough about him to control the defence. Then let Keane control the midfield and lay of the ball simple to the flair players like duff and reid. A job roy keane is far more equipped to do than that idiot holland who altho had a good game on saturday is always 'there abouts' when the tackle should be made. How many times do you see holland there with a stretched out leg seconds after the ball has gone?

[Hibs4Ever]

Given

Carr Keane Cunningham Harte

S Reid Kavanagh Killbane Duff

Morrison Elliot


Subs- A reid, Doherty, O'Shea, Holland

Agree with this team 100% playing Roy at centre back.

[Adrianovic]

I am confident that Kerr will start Duff up front and just rejig the midfield so that Roy plays in the centre and Kilbane plays on the left. To me and you, this is a mistake, but we have done it before and Kerr isn't that experimental. Evidence to suggest this is that Kerr had the option of bringing Elliott on like-for-like for Robbie, but didn't have the faith in him to do the job. I have my doubts if so much will have changed in 4 days.

The defence will contain no alarms and no surprises either, I don't believe Kerr would play McCarthy in a World Cup Qualifier and I don't think he has the viewpoint or the opportunity to drop O`Shea.

I think Ireland will line out as follows on Wednesday:

Given

Carr
Harte
O`Shea
Cunningham

A. Reid
Kilbane
Holland
Roy Keane

Morrison
Duff


I'm not entirely sure how I would like us to start our frontline. There is an argument for playing Doc up front because of his strength and aerial presence. But, this is the area I'd expect the Faroes to be good in, big strong centre halves who will clear up headers bravely if needs be. Maybe a better line of attack is to try and out football them. Give Reider and Duff a license on the wings to rome forward and dribble the ball around the Faroes the best they can and have Elliott and Clint on hand to knock in the scraps. If it gets late in the day and its not working, then by all means bring on the Doc to nick us a goal. I don't think O`Shea should be dropped for this game.

I'd like to see this Ireland team on Wednesday:

Given

Carr
Harte
O`Shea
Cunningham

Reid
Duff
Roy Keane
Kilbane

Elliott
Morrison


Ade

[eirebhoy]

The defence will contain no alarms and no surprises either
Well if thats the case I'm 110% sure Doc will start at centre half. :) Kerr won't risk O'Shea there and Doc has played there plenty of times under Kerr.

[Stuttgart88]

I just read that Morrisson is a doubt, lower back injury, but Kerr says he should be OK.

[noby]

Is Morrison a doubt?

If so, I can see Doc and Duff up front

[Adrianovic]

Well if thats the case I'm 110% sure Doc will start at centre half. :) Kerr won't risk O'Shea there and Doc has played there plenty of times under Kerr.

I still don't think he'll drop O`Shea. Saturday's performance was about on par for O`Shea in the last 2 years and he has always been picked. Can't see him getting dropped for that contentious penalty.

Oh to have Richard Dunne available.

Ade

[Slash/ED]

Matt Holland makes a decent tackle and the ref gives a free kick

I initially thought that too but, god knows why, have watched the match again. Holland didn't get the ball, he was unlucky not to, but it was a foul and the correct decision.

Alot of saturday was down to bad luck, but it wouldn't have been a factor with better, braver decision making.

[Slash/ED]

Is Morrison a doubt?

If so, I can see Doc and Duff up front

God ****ing help us :(

[eirebhoy]

Kerr said Morrison will be fit.

Tony O'Donoghue reckons it will be O'Shea at centre half and Doc-Morrison up front. :(

[eirebhoy]

I initially thought that too but, god knows why, have watched the match again. Holland didn't get the ball, he was unlucky not to, but it was a foul and the correct decision.

Alot of saturday was down to bad luck, but it wouldn't have been a factor with better, braver decision making.
I'll have a look at it again but I thought he clearly got the ball.

Anyway, some people said Kerr settled for the 2-0. If he plays Doc up front tomorrow I think it will show that he just doesn't have faith in Elliott yet.

[Coltron]

I think this match will be trickier than more people expect. I really cant see how we will score more than two without the help of a direct free kick or a penalty. We are very poor on corners, firstly the delivery is generally very poor and when it is good there is nobody to head it. The pitch as already stated is very poor, the Faros are improving all the time and in these international double headers you usually see less goals in the second match. In all honesty we didnt carve open the Isreal team once in the second half, a good team would have scored atleast one without reply. I just hope we go there get the points and get the hell out of there and leave this banana skin for someone else to slip on, that day is coming.

Another thing I dont think anyteam has the right to be arrogent, especially Ireland, we should respect our opponents. Look where it got France.

[eirebhoy]

I initially thought that too but, god knows why, have watched the match again. Holland didn't get the ball, he was unlucky not to, but it was a foul and the correct decision.
I have the match on tape and just watched it again. Holland clearly gets the ball. He didn't just get a touch, his thigh runs along the ball.

[Slash/ED]

I have the match on tape and just watched it again. Holland clearly gets the ball. He didn't just get a touch, his thigh runs along the ball.

It didn't look like that to me but I only saw it once, I'll happilly admit I'm wrong, gives me more things to moan about :)

[Littlest Hobo]

This is the team that the Independant have predicted

REPUBLIC OF IRELAND (probable 4-4-2): Given;
Carr (Newcastle Utd); O'Shea (Man Utd), Cunningham (Birmingham), Harte (Levante);
Reid (Tottenham), Keane (Man Utd), Holland (Charlton), Kilbane (Everton); Duff(Chelsea),

Morrison (Birmingham City).

Not to pleased with duff up front. But with this quality we should surly score at least a couple

[geysir]

I was takinging to some idiot Ireland supporter on the ferry to the Shetland, who stated that :

1) Kerr did nothing wrong, he had no option to bring on Kavanagh for Keane
2) O'Shea did not commit a foul for the penalty
3) Our draw on Saturday was down to just bad luck

Does anyone agree ?

Was he in your opinion just an idiot or an idiot because he just did not conform and play the blame card?

2. I would be 90% sure O´Shea did not foul.

1. So what, Kavanagh came on. Kavanagh, I expected him to control midfield instead they played around him and through him in the first half. If Elliot came on instead, the odds were that it would have been worse.

3. Lets say an unusual set of circumstances conspired against winning not least Duff´s freakish goal line clearance. If he had ducked in time there would not be a whimper about Kerr´s tactics, instead a wholesale welcoming of a deserved victory and the likes of Paul Doyle would have to sideline his vitriol for another day.

[Fergie's Son]

1. So what, Kavanagh came on. Kavanagh, I expected him to control midfield instead they played around him and through him in the first half. If Elliot came on instead, the odds were that it would have been worse.


I think you're being rather myopic. Ireland were already controlling the midfield so they didn't need to bring on another holding midfielder. Further, that sort of move is usually reserved to the second half and not 27 minutes into a game in which you have a 2-0 lead. Additionally, by brining on Kavanagh rather than a striker Kerr changed the entire complexion of the team. Duff went up front so our best winger was playing with his back to the goal. That doesn't make any sense. Kilbane pushed out to the left wing where he was not had a good game for Ireland for 50 plus caps. So we now have an ineffective striker and an ineffective winger to accomodate a holding midfielder that we did not need.

So no, the odds were not good that it would have been worse had he replaced a striker with a, god forbid, striker.

As for tonight, I can't see Elliot starting. I'm just not sure Kerr rates him.

[geysir]

I was takinging to some idiot Ireland supporter on the ferry to the Shetland, who stated that :

Ah, now there is some proof that he isn´t a total idiot, he had the foresight to take the ferry to the Faroes (like yourself) considering how the fog playing havoc with air travel. :-)