new pope

[thecorner]

white smoke is rising lads

[thecorner]

just waiting for him to look out the window

[Eire06]

just waiting for him to look out the window
ment to be coming to the balcony at 17:30
:D

[Green Tribe]

just heard that, white smoke for def and bells are ringing!!! can't wait, i think it will be the nigerian, braziLIAN OR MEXICAN

:D

[Gerrit]

I couldn't care less. Vatican City is just a less dictatorian theocracy.

[Eire06]

I couldn't care less. Vatican City is just a less dictatorian theocracy.

Ignore this post then :confused:

[Gerrit]

You got me there... I just thought it was already known who the new guy was, and got curious. But it won't keep me from my sleep. Would be good if it would be a black guy, for the sake of a multicultural world and battle against racism.

[Eire06]

You got me there... I just thought it was already known who the new guy was, and got curious. But it won't keep me from my sleep. Would be good if it would be a black guy, for the sake of a multicultural world and battle against racism.
Oh so you do care then.... ;)

[Gerrit]

Oh so you do care then.... ;)

Curiosity and caring about are worlds apart :)

[Green Tribe]

it is ...................


spit it out!!

.....Ratzinger

[Green Tribe]

did not expect that, would have preferred some of the others, he is quite old

[thecorner]

cardinel ratzinger and hes white

[Green Tribe]

benedict XVI

[Green Tribe]

cardinel ratzinger and hes white

really??!! :D ;) :D

[Green Tribe]

there he is! he seems delighted, he was close to the Pope, i assume he will go along the same conservative lines as John Paul the Great

[Eire06]

cardinel ratzinger and hes white
Anyone know anything about him??

[thecorner]

he is quite old


didnt this fella malachy say this pope would be short-lived and the next one would be black and chose the name peter and would coincide with the 2nd coming of christ

[Gerrit]

there he is! he seems delighted, he was close to the Pope, i assume he will go along the same conservative lines as John Paul the Great

There we go again... This implies you actually agree with his opposition against abortion, condom use, no important role for women in church, etc ??

I think it would not have done harm to chose a more progressive one this time for the sake of the whole world, religious and non-religious.
But then again, the new guy hasn't made any acts yet, so let's judge on him once we have some stuff to judge him on. Everyone deserves a fair chance :)

They elected the new one quite fast. Long long ago they once debated for approx 250 days, then they were locked up without food till the new Pope was chosen, and the new guy was presented to the outside world that very same evening :D

[Green Tribe]

don't know much but was close to previous Pope

ratzinger (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4445279.stm)

[Eire06]

don't know much but was close to previous Pope
heard on the radio there that he is less strict but has much the same views as Pope John Paul II

[town73]

they said on Sky News that his new nickname among Romans would be Papa Ratzi .....

[Éanna]

heard on the radio there that he is less strict but has much the same views as Pope John Paul II
less strict? I doubt it! The guy is about as righ-wing as they come. Proof that the RC Church (or its hierarchy at least) is aged, sexist and conservative in its outlook. And thats not even mentioning his Nazi past :rolleyes:

[Shae_B2D]

I heard he is very conservative.

We call him Benedictus, btw, like John Paul was Yohanan Paulus.

All the bells in the churches around ring, it's quite impressive.

[aido_b]

Its joseph ratzinger, gonna be called benedict XVI

[Shae_B2D]

And thats not even mentioning his Nazi past :rolleyes:

What did you hear about it? I remember people here mentioning it, which makes sense in a Jewish country, but haven't really heard anything more than that.

[Green Tribe]

less strict? I doubt it! The guy is about as righ-wing as they come. Proof that the RC Church (or its hierarchy at least) is aged, sexist and conservative in its outlook. And thats not even mentioning his Nazi past :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: , he does not have a Nazi past, his father was in policeman in the Nazi state, hardly his fault, he joined Hitler youth, but deserted German army

[Eire06]

less strict? I doubt it! The guy is about as righ-wing as they come. Proof that the RC Church (or its hierarchy at least) is aged, sexist and conservative in its outlook. And thats not even mentioning his Nazi past :rolleyes:
Ya just heard different there on the 'Last Word' on about his strong views on conterception and apparantly homosexuality is evil :confused:
We'll see how he works out.. There seems to be two very different strong opinions on him

[Soko]

:rolleyes: , he does not have a Nazi past, his father was in policeman in the Nazi state, hardly his fault, he joined Hitler youth, but deserted German army


Like there was so much free will back in Nazi Germany. I very much doubt they'd vote a fcukin nazi to be the head of the catholic church :rolleyes:

[Shae_B2D]

:rolleyes: , he does not have a Nazi past, his father was in policeman in the Nazi state, hardly his fault, he joined Hitler youth, but deserted German army

Hmm - I'm not saying it to create an argument, just want to make sure. I'm not accusing and I don't really know anything about him, but how can "he does not have a nazi past" and "he joined Hitler youth" co-exist in the same sentence?

[Éanna]

:rolleyes: , he does not have a Nazi past, his father was in policeman in the Nazi state, hardly his fault, he joined Hitler youth, but deserted German army
That is a Nazi past- FACT! I'm not saying he IS a Nazi, but he's certainly tainted by it IMO, and from what I've read about him, his views on homosexuality etc wouldn't have been out of place there at all.

[Eire06]

Hmm - I'm not saying it to create an argument, just want to make sure. I'm not accusing and I don't really know anything about him, but how can "he does not have a nazi past" and "he joined Hitler youth" co-exist in the same sentence?
he could have been forced to join for all we know...

[Green Tribe]

Hmm - I'm not saying it to create an argument, just want to make sure. I'm not accusing and I don't really know anything about him, but how can "he does not have a nazi past" and "he joined Hitler youth" co-exist in the same sentence?

i would not have thought that as a young boy about to be brainwashed it was his choice

[Éanna]

i would not have thought that as a young boy about to be brainwashed it was his choice



he could have been forced to join for all we know...
perfectly possible- still a Nazi past though.

[Eire06]

perfectly possible- still a Nazi past though.
yep but if true not by choice, and as soon as he had a choice he left

[sligoman]

German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the strict defender of Catholic orthodoxy for the past 23 years, was elected Pope on Tuesday despite a widespread assumption he was too old and divisive to win election.

He took the name Benedict XVI, a cardinal announced to crowds in St. Peter's Square after white smoke from the Vatican's Sistine Chapel chimney and the pealing of bells from St. Peter's Basilica announced that a new pope had been chosen.

Roman Catholic cardinals elected Ratzinger on just the second day of secret conclave to find a successor to Pope John Paul II.

Billed as the front-runner going into the conclave, Ratzinger, 78, was widely seen as a standard-bearer who would fall short of the required two-thirds majority and have to cede to a more conciliatory compromise figure.

But he sounded very much the candidate before going into the conclave on Monday, defending orthodox Catholicism and warning the other 114 cardinal electors against following godless modern trends.

"We are moving towards a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognise anything as definitive and has as its highest value one's own ego and one's own desires," he declared at a pre-conclave Mass in St. Peter's Basilica.

Ratzinger's stern leadership of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, the modern successor to the Inquisition, delighted conservative Catholics but upset moderates and other Christians whose churches he described as deficient.

Born in Bavaria on April 16, 1927, Ratzinger was a leading theology professor and then archbishop of Munich before taking over the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in 1981.

In that office, Ratzinger disciplined Latin American "liberation theology" theologians, denounced homosexuality and gay marriage and pressured Asian priests who saw non-Christian religions as part of God's plan for humanity.

In a document in 2000, he branded other Christian churches as deficient -- shocking Anglicans, Lutherans and other Protestants in ecumenical dialogue with Rome for years.

As dean of the College of Cardinals, he presided over John Paul's funeral Mass and the daily meetings of cardinals to discuss the next papacy.

Ratzinger was the oldest cardinal to be named pope since Clement XII, who was also 78 when he became pope in 1730. He is the first German pope since Victor II (1055-1057).

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050419/325/fgolb.html

[Shae_B2D]

he could have been forced to join for all we know...

definitely true, but that's not a fact, and we don't have a way to know really.
I sure hope he can continue John Paul's way, who was loved by the Jewish people as well, he did so much to get people closer.

[Éanna]

yep but if true not by choice, and as soon as he had a choice he left
fair enough. As I said, I wasn't saying he is a Nazi, but he does have a Nazi past.

[Eire06]

fair enough. As I said, I wasn't saying he is a Nazi, but he does have a Nazi past.
I don't think that makes him 'tainted' though...

It was also compulsary for every young boy in Germany at the time to join the Hitler youth

[sligoman]

I did'nt think he'd be elected to be honest. I mean he's 78 and, not been funny, but how long will he last?

[sligoman]

Anyway, I dont think it's that big of a deal. You never hear of the pope that much anyway. Give it another week or two and he'll be forgotten about.

[Gerrit]

definitely true, but that's not a fact, and we don't have a way to know really.
I sure hope he can continue John Paul's way, who was loved by the Jewish people as well, he did so much to get people closer.

John Paul did good things, also bad things. Why does everyone here make a saint out of him ? He did very good things in world politics and for peace. He did very bad things with his out-of-this-world opinions on gays, abortion, euthanasia and contraceptives.

[Troy.McClure]

The phrase 'stop-gap' pop in to anyone's mind besides my own?

[Green Tribe]

That is a Nazi past- FACT! I'm not saying he IS a Nazi, but he's certainly tainted by it IMO, and from what I've read about him, his views on homosexuality etc wouldn't have been out of place there at all.

i'm back, as shae said, we'll never know the true facts, but as a young boy in the Hitler Youth, all the brainwashing and propaganda did not encourage him to join the Nazis, he deserted the German army. Does the Catholic church as a whole not preach against homosexuality??? :rolleyes: It is not just him banging on about it!! :eek: Anyway, this has gone off topic as usual and i can't be bothered debating an off-topic carry-on when all you want to do is have a dig at the Church :) I know wee Liam will come on later and you two can enjoy what u love doing, debating with each other :D

[RedX]

My young lad at home was hoping scooby doo was going to pop out through the curtains.. :D

Seriously he looks like a nice guy.. a bit old at 78 but i dont think the Vatican wants another pope for 26 years..the Brazilian cardinal was a decent guy also and i would have liked to see him..but best of luck to our new pope..

That Nazi story/Hitler boy thing should be wiped from the thread..shame!

[sligoman]

The Taoiseach has welcomed the election of cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as the new Pope.

Mr Ahern said: "On behalf of the Government and the people of Ireland, I extend my warmest congratulations and best wishes to Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger on his election as Pope Benedict XVI.

"The scenes of rejoicing and excitement which we have witnessed in St Peter's this evening express the goodwill which people around the world, of all religions and none, will feel towards the new Pope.

"The awesome responsibility that comes with occupying the See of Peter has, if anything, been increased by the scale of the impact made by his predecessor, the late Pope John Paul II. The worldwide impact of that pontificate, and the outpouring of sorrow at his death, represents a resource and a source of encouragement for the new Pope.

"It demonstrates that the world is waiting to hear his voice and receive his blessing.

"Pope Benedict XVI is a man of profound learning and knows only too well the pressures which await him in the office of Pope.

"He has chosen a name which associates him with the great mission of peace of the occupants of the See of Peter.

"All Irish men and women, whatever their tradition, will wish him well. He will have the prayers and good wishes of the Christian people of Ireland, especially, of course, of the Roman Catholic community, here as around the world."

http://breaking.tcm.ie/2005/04/19/story198865.html

[Gerrit]

I have a huge problem with people preaching against something completely normal as homosexuality. This was, amongst the other few things I named, the problem I had with John Paul II and this was also why I hoped in vein to see a more progressive pope in control this time.

And agree, a Nazi past cannot be erased by an excuse such as "I was brainwashed". Leslie Van Houten was brainwashed as well, and I don't see her walking around freely in LA... Maybe a bad comparison, but then I only mean that facts are facts.
Won't judge Ratzinger on it though. People make mistakes and if they correct them I won't keep on nagging about it. That's why we have Typp-ex, to wipe out previous errors and make a clean sheet again :) Everyone deserves a new chance without being judged on their past. Despite facts...

[Eire06]

Again every young boy at that time in Germany was automatically signed up for Hitler youth.. There was nothing him or his parents could have done, it was the law, obey it or die

[Soper]

I'm pretty sure conscription to the Hitler youth was mandatory in 1940's Germany.

Ratzinger looks like he's dying already, poor chap.He wasn't the best candidate in my opinion, they should have gone for a more centralist figure.

[Soper]

Again every young boy at that time in Germany was automatically signed up for Hitler youth.. There was nothing him or his parents could have done, it was the law, obey it or die
haha you beat me to it

[strangeirish]

Good profile of the manhere (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=12&u=/ap/pope_ratzinger_profile)