new pope

[Fair_play_boy]

white smoke is rising ladsYou don't let the grass grow under your feet. Nifty post there Corner.

[dortie]

Dortie's in trouble so! :p

Not afraid to profess my beliefs....Dont agree with it, simple. What bothers me more is how they try to make people who 'disagree with them' out to be some kind of paria's....ive said what i think of them to their face on many occasions.

As for the new Pope....God Bless Him !!!!! :D

[dahamsta]

Not afraid to profess my beliefs....Dont agree with it, simple.Yet you don't seem to be able to give any actual reasons why. Doesn't seem like much of a belief system to me.

Why is it wrong?
Because it is.
Yeah, but why?
Because.
Why?
Because.

Sounds a lot like conversations I have with my eight year old.

adam

[Green Tribe]

look guys, cut out the irrelevant b!tching about the new Pope, adam has already warned u all, i refuse to get involved it in even tho it annoys me what is being said

[dcfcsteve]

Ratzinger is an anti-homosexuality, anti-abortion far right man who spent two years serving in an anti aircraft battery and digging anti tank trenches for the Nazis on the western front.

Conscription was compulsory in the countries that were involved in the war. Even if God himself had been born and bred in Germany at that time, he'd have been drafted into the military.


I also dont buy the desertion arguement as he deserted in May 1945 when the third reich was crumbling and would have been by no means on his own taking some big moral stand (more likely scared sh1tless of being captured by the Red Army).

This is pure, and rather pointless, conjecture Lims. Desertion at war time is literally a form of suicide. How do you know he didn't just desert at the very first possible opportunity that he thought he could ? Or at least, the very first opportunity he thought he might get away with it ? Leaving your friends behind at the frontline in order to follow your own views/save your own skin - friends who probably saved your life on occassions - is probably not a very easy decision to make. Is that such a bad thing ? Does that make him such a bad person ? Or maybe he should just have shot himself.....


Although joining Hitler Youth was compulsory at the time you will find that more morally courageous objectors refused and went to Dachau rather than support pure evil

The "Youth" bit might be a bit of a clue here, Lims. He was a kid, fer feck sake ! At a time when everyone else around him - his neighbours, his friends, his schoolmates - were also being drafted into the Hitler Youth. At a time when anyone who didn't play along was being ostracized, battered, and/or murdered. At a time when everyone in Germany was being told that this is how it would be for the next 1,000 years. How dare a kid not take a moral stance in the face of all of this....

For the record, Ratzinger was never a member of the Nazi party (which would've been a better indicator of how much he'd bought into it all), and his family was known for being anti-Nazi.

Reeling out his 'Nazi past' is just a cheap way for anti-Catholics/anti-Papists to take a dig at him. Nelson Mandela was a senior member of a terrorist group. Why isn't this always brought up when his name is mentioned? I'll take a wild guess....

[Poor Student]

look guys, cut out the irrelevant b!tching about the new Pope, adam has already warned u all, i refuse to get involved it in even tho it annoys me what is being said

Anyone is entitled to make a reasoned comment or observation or source backed up claim. However Pope Benedict is an accomplished theologian and to give him a fair assessment and understand his positions and reasons for such would require a reading of his work and a lot of opinions on him (mainly thinking about the media here no slate at anyone here) seem to be based on hearsay. I'm going to reserve opinion until we see him in the papacy for some time.

[Macy]

Anyone is entitled to make a reasoned comment or observation or source backed up claim. However Pope Benedict is an accomplished theologian and to give him a fair assessment and understand his positions and reasons for such would require a reading of his work and a lot of opinions on him (mainly thinking about the media here no slate at anyone here) seem to be based on hearsay. I'm going to reserve opinion until we see him in the papacy for some time.
Plenty of theologians have a problem with him, and him with them from accounts I've heard on BBC/RTE/TodayFM/Newstalk. Don't think they've just plucked it from the air, and all have had opposing views on at the same time(Given RTE's coverage, hardly accuse them of bias - when is the Rome jolly going to end so we can get back to real news?). However what this all means to us, as a nation, where we blatantly don't follow the churches doctrine anymore, I'm not sure. I suppose in a way, people get worked up because if some things changed they would go back into the fold?

I think the Nazi stuff should be stopped about him tbh - I mean hardly an issue in Vatican City anyway....

Isn't there a theory about homophobes being so anti because they're trying to supress their own feelings?

[pete]

...when is the Rome jolly going to end so we can get back to real news?).

Agreed. This whole recent obcession with the Pope smacks of celebrity interest to me. I'm half expecting to see new Pope do spread in Hello magazine about his his new crib.

For years as a nation we have been saying & showing how little the church means to us, then suddenly we want day off work becuase an old sick Pope died. Now we so concerned about new Popes opinions when they matter little enough.

:rolleyes:

btw i've yet to meet a liberal 78 year old.

[dortie]

Isn't there a theory about homophobes being so anti because they're trying to supress their own feelings?

That theory is wrong in my case i can tell you for sure.

[Éanna]

That theory is wrong in my case i cant tell you for sure.
typo! freudian slip alert :D

[Schumi]

A poor pun in a pope thread too!

[Jim Smith]

typo! freudian slip alert :D
Haven't you got some fish in a barrel to shoot?

[Éanna]

Haven't you got some fish in a barrel to shoot?
:D :D

[Green Tribe]

That theory is wrong in my case i cant tell you for sure.

whoopsie dortie, u trying to tell us something? :D :D

[dortie]

typo! freudian slip alert :D

What was that ;)

Eh ? lol

[sadloserkid]

What was that ;)

Eh ? lol

No no Dortie, it's no good going back on things now, be comfortable with who you are and tell the world. The new Pope might not like you anymore but you'll be just as cool as before in my eyes! :D

[dortie]

No no Dortie, it's no good going back on things now, be comfortable with who you are and tell the world. The new Pope might not like you anymore but you'll be just as cool as before in my eyes! :D

Dont worry, id have been off the Foyle Bridge with an anchor attached to my leg if i had any doubt ;)

[sadloserkid]

Dont worry, id have been off the Foyle Bridge with an anchor attached to my leg if i had any doubt ;)

That's all well and good but I'm pretty sure that the church frowns on suicide too! :D

[4tothefloor]

The only thing I have to say on the papacy is that appointing a 78 year old as pope is taking the pi$$. As a young non-practicing catholic I think this is ridiculous. What in gods name have the youth of the world got in common with a 78 year old? It doesn't impress me one bit, and is typical of the backward thinking of the catholic church. Now I know who the GAA use as their role model :rolleyes:

There is a reason I am non-practicing, and it's because my attitude towards the church is one of indifference, mainly because it is a joke religion in this country. Mass is a joke. It's not one bit devout or intimate, full of day dreamers, save for a few old biddies with their rosary beads up front. And that's the catholic that this pope appeals to, the old, conservative, straight laced one. This pope isn't going to inspire young people, nor is he going to inspire them to go to mass or embrace their religion. Which is what they need to be doing. The Catholic church is a spent force in this country. There's a lot of questions unanswered about clerical sex abuse, clerical affairs with women, sweeping things under the carpet etc. The hymn sheet that the church is singing from is old, conservative and completely out of touch with reality today. And they wonder why nobody goes to mass?! There's no rule that states you have to go to mass to be a catholic. Which is the rule I live by, it's a much better religion when you practice it by yourself in my opinion.