Foot.ie PROJECT: Wikify Irish Football

[dahamsta]

In the past we've looked at various ways of cataloguing information about Irish football on Foot.ie, however a big issue has always been that the bulk of knowledge is out there, with you guys, and it's very hard to get a large group of people to collaborate on such a project in an organised way. My last Big Idea was to set up a Wiki (I'll explain that in a minute) on my own site and use that to catalogue the information, but I got to a certain point and realised that it wasn't going to work.

Last night it occurred to me that we can kill two birds with one stone here, by pushing your knowledge into the Football League of Ireland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_of_Ireland) section on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/), and extracting it later on for use in fixture and results tables, club and player profiles, and all sorts of other stuff. There's already some content there to get us started, it just needs a little reorganisation and filling out with more information. For example, the clubs could be split into Premier Division and First Division on the main page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_of_Ireland), and some information on the Junior and Intermediate Leagues could be added. Looking at the clubs too, the Cobh Ramblers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobh_Ramblers_FC) and Cork City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cork_City_FC) pages pale in comparison to the St Patrick's Athletic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Patricks_Athletic_FC) page.

If you're not familiar with Wikipedia, in basic terms it's just an online encylopedia that anyone can edit. You don't even have to register, although you will be missing out on some useful tools, like access to pages that you've edited or commented on, preferences that can make editing easier, and your own user and discussion page. Unfortunately sometimes this open policy leads to abuse, but the more members we have on there keeping an eye on things, the better chance we have of reverting those changes quickly and keeping the repository of information about Irish soccer tidy and up to date.

So let's get to work! You guys are the football nerds around here, get your knowledge into Wikipedia now for all to see! Not only will you be helping to raise interest in Irish football, you'll also be helping us by making it easier to add new features to Foot.ie!

adam

[dahamsta]

It's certainly better since it was updated today (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cobh_Ramblers_FC&diff=11405257&oldid=11402312) by someone with an IP address that also happens to be used be a Foot.ie poster. With a Ramblers avatar. Well done that Ramblers fan! ;)

Nobody from City got up off their arse I notice. Tis the Cork way, sure and begorrah. Sure someone else'll do it and begob and begosh. :rolleyes:

adam

[pete]

Looks interesting.

[Longfordian]

Lifted a wee bit from the offical website on Longford Town and stuck it in

[dahamsta]

Lifted a wee bit from the offical website on Longford Town and stuck it inYou should really ask permission first. They'd be stupid to refuse.

adam

[Longfordian]

Ah I know all involved personally, I'll be alright ;)

[liam88]

It's certainly better since it was updated today (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cobh_Ramblers_FC&diff=11405257&oldid=11402312) by someone with an IP address that also happens to be used be a Foot.ie poster. With a Ramblers avatar. Well done that Ramblers fan! ;)


Glad to do my bit -this is a great idea Adam :) and fair play to the other Raamblers fan(s) updating it!

[Longfordian]

Longford stuff changed back again by somebody, our webmaster can change it again if he likes, don't really know what they want so I'll leave it to someone else.

[dahamsta]

Longford stuff changed back again by somebody, our webmaster can change it again if he likes, don't really know what they want so I'll leave it to someone else.It was reverted (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Longford_Town_FC&action=history) by Wikipedia user Boothy443 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Boothy443) with the comment "others are copyvios". I have no idea what that means but I'm guessing he googled the text and saw the replication. If you really want to contribute, take a minute to ask the webmaster for permission and if it's granted add a note to that effect to the discussion page (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Longford_Town_FC&action=edit). It's only fair, since the webmaster owns the copyright on that content.

adam

[Longfordian]

Fair enough, the webmaster posts on here regularly so maybe he'll take up the baton himself. Wasn't a particularly inspiring contribution from myself anyway, though I did want to ensure that no-one seriously thought our nickname was The Hoops :)

[A face]

I have asked the webmasters of www.corkcityfc.ie can i use the info on the site and they said yeah. What do i need to do after i have edited the page ??

[dahamsta]

I have asked the webmasters of www.corkcityfc.ie (http://www.corkcityfc.ie/) can i use the info on the site and they said yeah. What do i need to do after i have edited the page ??Nice one face.

At the top of the page click on the Discussion tab and add a note saying something like: "Information in my edits are sourced in full or in part from the official Cork City FC website with permission, feel free to contact them for confirmation if necessary." If any of your edits are reverted, contact the relevant user and point them to that. Just make sure you don't tread on any toes, it's very easy to start a revert war on Wikipedia and they achieve nothing bar feeding egos.

BTW, I'd encourage moderators to follow liam88's lead (http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=23286) in encouraging people to contribute in the forums they moderate. People will need a bit of a push to get started, but I'm pretty sure when they do a few Wikipedia addicts will be created. :)

adam

[eirebhoy]

Looks like I've started a trend with a few people adding current squads to their club pages. I robbed a load of my stuff off the Man U page. :)

btw, someone has taken text from the Bray Website without asking:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Devlin

[pineapple stu]

Is this as simple as it looks? Just edit, enter text and save? I'll do something up for UCD soon so!

[dahamsta]

Is this as simple as it looks? Just edit, enter text and save? I'll do something up for UCD soon so!Excellent. And yes, it is as easy as it looks, although there's loads of tags that can be used for formatting and linking when you get settled in.

adam

[thecorner]

just added a bit

[dahamsta]

If you're adding a message on a discussion page, you can automatically add your Wikipedia handle and the date and time with four tildes, like this: ~~~~

I think three tildes will just do your handle.

adam

[pineapple stu]

UCD updated (all original). Will go back and add in stuff (pictures, headings, etc.) when I get a chance.

[A face]

Hows this going people ??

[dahamsta]

Just noticed Dodge's edit on my Wikipedia Talk page, said I'd bump this.

[Dodge]

Been on a mission recently. Have done the League Cup, Shield and PFAI pages as well as all things Pats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Patrick%27s_Athletic_F.C.) related. Updated the League/FAI Cup pages (made them more user friendly and put more info in them). have started a 2006 in LOI football page too (linked in the template on every club page)

Still loads of rubbishy club pages though. Willing to help anybody who needs/wants it...

[Dodge]

Moved to eircom league section, hoping for a better response

[Block G Raptor]

Ive added a link to the bohs page here on the bohs page on wiki
will do more when I have time

[steno]

Made a couple of small changes Wiki thing not a bad idea

[Ozymandias]

The cork city slot on wiki says that the club was formed shortly after the demise of Cork Hibernians. That is incorrect . It was formed after Cork United although hibs were the last to play at flower lodge prior to city forming and Urtd played at the cross. City were originally based in flower lodge. How can we change this on the site. I am not very technical and didn't want to go messing with anyone elses info

Cheers

[steno]

Editing the pages only requires clicking on the Edit this page on the top of the article, then add, delete or edit what ever you want.

The thing about wiki is that every article on the site can be edited by anyone who feels he or she can improve it by adding, deleting or just by adjusting the format .

So feel free to make adjustments to any article that takes your interest. Anyone who takes offence shouldn't be using the wiki site in the first place and should go else where. There is an edit help link beneath the box conatining the article in the edit this page if you do get into any diffculty:)

[Partizan]

Should like to remind the admin on the wiki page that Waterford FC & Waterford U are the same clubs and so should be given credit for the 6 League Championship wins.

[dahamsta]

There's no point in posting that here Partizan. For a start there's no "admin" per se, anyone can edit; and none of the editors might be Foot.ie fans. If you don't want to edit yourself, I'd suggest adding a note to the relevant Discussion page.

[John83]

UCD updated (all original). Will go back and add in stuff (pictures, headings, etc.) when I get a chance.
Create an account would you? I don't trust edits from random IPs. :p

[stevieontour]

This is a really good idea.
Smart websites and easy information, give the league more Credibility.

[DmanDmythDledge]

Create an account would you? I don't trust edits from random IPs. :p
Those last few changes were from me btw.

[DannyInvincible]

I've added quite a bit regarding the new FAI National League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAI_National_League).

[dundalksarge]

Dundalk page is updated with the recent happenings. See Dundalk FC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dundalk_F.C.)

[Student Mullet]

Gary Dicker's page has recently been updated:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Dicker (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Gary_Dicker)

[DannyInvincible]

I've done quite a bit of work on the Derry City page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derry_City_FC) as well.

There's also an articles-for-deletion debate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Eloka_Asokuh) going on regarding Eloka Asokuh and a number other players related to Finn Harps. The nominater is under the belief that First Division players are not worthy of articles. The result of the debate may have a bearing on the chances of survival of articles based on other First Division players so adding a word of support might be helpful to the cause if you want to get as much information on the league as possible in there.

[cavan_fan]

I've added quite a bit regarding the new FAI National League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAI_National_League).

Excellent article. Over time, the IAG related stuff should move to an article of its own. By the way I've resisted the temptaion to edit


'Despite the fact that Dundalk FC had won the promotion/relegation play-off in November 2006'

removing the words promotion/relegation!

[DannyInvincible]

Does anyone know what the case would be regarding the transfer of European qualification slots if the league winners (who would qualify for the Champions League as a result) were also to win the FAI Cup? Would the UEFA Cup spot up for grabs in the cup be transferred to the loser or would it somehow be tranferred to a team next in line in the league standings? Logic tells me the former, but you never know with the FAI.

[Schumi]

Does anyone know what the case would be regarding the transfer of European qualification slots if the league winners (who would qualify for the Champions League as a result) were also to win the FAI Cup?The cup losers get the UEFA place.

[holidaysong]

I've added quite a bit regarding the new FAI National League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAI_National_League).

Great work!

[NY Hoop]

I've added quite a bit regarding the new FAI National League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAI_National_League).

Fair play except there is no such league as the FAI Premiership..........

KOH

[Dodge]

yet...

[DannyInvincible]

Excellent article. Over time, the IAG related stuff should move to an article of its own. By the way I've resisted the temptaion to edit



removing the words promotion/relegation!

Well, you're free, like anyone else, to edit it if you want. What should the correct title of that match be? 'Promotion/relegation play-off' does give the wrong impression.


The cup losers get the UEFA place.

Is this stated somewhere or part of the rulebook? I was skimming through it but there was no sign of any mention of European qualification.


Fair play except there is no such league as the FAI Premiership..........

KOH

Erm, was the old Premier League system not brought to a close with the introduction of the new FAI National League system (including Premiership and First Division) within the last two weeks?

[Schumi]

Is this stated somewhere or part of the rulebook? I was skimming through it but there was no sign of any mention of European qualification.I don't know but it always has been the case since the Cup Winners' Cup was discontinued and it's the case everywhere else.

[NY Hoop]

Erm, was the old Premier League system not brought to a close with the introduction of the new FAI National League system (including Premiership and First Division) within the last two weeks?

Probably! But the premiership was a working title gleefully pounced on by the media. FYI the new league is not called and was never going to be called the premiership. For further info see www.fai.ie

KOH

[passinginterest]

From a recent article on FAI.ie
eircom National League Premier Division

[pete]

Excellent work. It was not a promotion/relegation playoff though.

[holidaysong]

Excellent work. It was not a promotion/relegation playoff though.

Oh yes it was!

Oh no it wasn't!

(it's panto season.... and I'm bored.)

[DannyInvincible]

I've amended the title of the Premier Division's page to its full title, "FAI eircom National League Premier Division". Is that OK?

I've also edited the the paragraph regarding the play-off game. Is the following OK?:

The final selection sparked controversy in Dundalk. Despite the fact that Dundalk FC had won what they perceived to be the annual promotion/relegation play-off, and what would have been in any other normal season, in November 2006, they were one of the teams omitted from the 2007 FAI Premiership and were, instead, chosen to play in the FAI First Division.

[pineapple stu]

I suppose that's OK, although with the rider that the play-off was clearly tagged as deciding which team would finish (I think) 12th and 14th on-field this year. There's a thread back in May started by Bald Student asking if it was going to be the most pointless game ever.

So yes, they perceived it as such, but were clearly wrong.

Cup runners-up if the winners do the double get the UEFA spot. Don't know if that's in the rule book anywhere, but it's straight from the horse's mouth (i.e. the FAI told me).

[BohsFans]

I've also edited the the paragraph regarding the play-off game. Is the following OK?:

Not really because it was NEVER officially dubbed the
annual promotion/relegation play-off

Officially it always appeared as "Play-Off". Which to me doesn't promise and therefore no one could perceive that promotion/relegation was at stake.