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DannyInvincible
19/12/2006, 9:07 PM
The Dundalk official's quote would suggest otherwise as to how his club perceived the game. He said, "What was the point of the league taking our players and fans all the way down to Waterford if it counted for nothing?" He obviously believed that there was (or should have been) some point to it. I can only assume that he believed the purpose was to decide who ought to play in the 2007 Premier Division as his quote was in protest of the fact that the 2006 play-off had no such effect. He was clearly misguided as he doesn't seem to be aware of the fact that there was an actual point to the play-off in that the game still influenced the IAG points tally of Dundalk.
In response to this, I've added:
Technically, he was incorrect as the win did contribute points to Dundalk's final assessment tally. However, that was little consolation.
Should I add something about Dundalk finishing in 12th and Waterford in 14th as well then? Was that definitely the effect of the result?
pineapple stu
19/12/2006, 9:12 PM
The Dundalk official was simply wrong.
The thread here explains it all, and was posted at the time the proposal was detailed. The facts there would be better than my memory, I think. 12th and 14th was only for the purposes of league points in this year's on-field criteria too.
DannyInvincible
19/12/2006, 9:20 PM
Shouldn't it actually be 11th and 13th following Dublin City's resignation?
pineapple stu
19/12/2006, 9:26 PM
DC's resignation hadn't happened at the time. They quite possibly didn't bother updating things afterwards.
DannyInvincible
19/12/2006, 9:43 PM
Have you a link to that thread? I can't seem to uncover it in my search. Is it here (http://foot.ie/search.php?searchid=486594)?
BohsFans
19/12/2006, 10:16 PM
Have you a link to that thread? I can't seem to uncover it in my search. Is it here (http://foot.ie/search.php?searchid=486594)?
Jesus why are you complicating things so much?
It the eircom League Play-Off (simple as)
They finished SECOND in the FIRST division
Waterford finished ELEVENTH in the Premier division
DannyInvincible
20/12/2006, 2:23 AM
So there was no purpose to the game and they played it for the sake of playing it? :rolleyes:
I don't see what should be so complicated about what I'm asking. I'm trying to simplify matters and just get the thing right.
DannyInvincible
20/12/2006, 5:07 AM
Jesus why are you complicating things so much?
It the eircom League Play-Off (simple as)
They finished SECOND in the FIRST division
Waterford finished ELEVENTH in the Premier division
I found the thread and you were incorrect, as I suspected.
This is from the original plan so refers to standings as if 22 clubs would be involved:
At the end of 2006 playing season, clubs will be allocated ‘competition points’ on the basis of their League standings and performances in FAI & League Cups and Europe. When the total ‘competition points’ accrued by each club is tallied, they will be ranked accordingly – the club with the highest number of competition points is ranked 1, with the club with the lowest number of competition points ranked 22 for the purposes of the IAG process.
League:
• Premier Division League winners receive 22 points, runners-up 21 points reducing on a point per position down to 1 point for bottom place in the 1st Division.
• Last place finisher in Premiership in regular season will be ‘relegated’ => ranked #14 in league standings and allocated 9pts.
• 1st Division winner will be ‘promoted’ => ranked #11 in league standings and allocated 12pts.
• Club finishing 11th in Premier will play off against 1st Division runners up. Winners of the play off will be finish #12 in League standings and gain 11pts. Losers of the play off will be ranked 13th and allocated 10pts.
Thus, for the sake of dispensing points based on 2006 performances, Shamrock Rovers were placed in 11th, Dundalk were placed 12th and Waterford were placed 13th with Galway presumably shifting into the blank 14th spot left by Dublin City, and so forth down through to the 21st club.
BohsFans
20/12/2006, 1:45 PM
I found the thread and you were incorrect, as I suspected.
:rolleyes:
What exactly am I wrong about?
Again why are you over confusing the issue!?:rolleyes:
DannyInvincible
20/12/2006, 3:06 PM
You are wrong about the following:
It the eircom League Play-Off (simple as)
It wasn't simply a play-off for the sake of having a play-off. The game decided what teams would finish in certain positions - namely 12th and 13th.
[Dundalk] finished SECOND in the FIRST division
Dundalk finished 12th in the overall standings of the 21 clubs.
Waterford finished ELEVENTH in the Premier division
Waterford finished 13th in the overall standings of the clubs.
I still don't see what it so complicated about all of this. I was simply trying to find out the relevant guidelines in the FAI's document and apply them in order to find out the actual purpose and effect of the Play-Off.
BohsFans
20/12/2006, 3:22 PM
You are wrong about the following:
It wasn't simply a play-off for the sake of having a play-off. The game decided what teams would finish in certain positions - namely 12th and 13th.
Dundalk finished 12th in the overall standings of the 21 clubs.
Waterford finished 13th in the overall standings of the clubs.
I still don't see what it so complicated about all of this. I was simply trying to find out the relevant guidelines in the FAI's document and apply them in order to find out the actual purpose and effect of the Play-Off.
Danny all of the above quotes from me are FACT!
I'll repeat myself shall I?
It was official the eircom League Play-Off (simple as), it NEVER said on any official fixture list:
"eircom League Play-Off, The game decided what teams would finish in certain positions - namely 12th and 13th."
Dundalk vs. Waterford United
See how ridiculous that looks? That's why your wrong.
You said I am wrong with the following:
Dundalk finished SECOND in the FIRST division
Waterford finished ELEVENTH in the Premier division
eh.....http://www.soccerbot.com/fai/tables/irprem2006.htm
and http://www.soccerbot.com/fai/tables/ir1div2006.htm
:rolleyes:
Get your facts straight b4 you go calling me wrong again eh?:rolleyes:
DannyInvincible
20/12/2006, 3:31 PM
In terms of the IAG process and their allocating of assessment points (what we have been talking about for the last page or so), the Play-Off decided who would be placed in those positions.
Once again, the following is from the FAI's document on the matter. Maybe you missed it hiding near the bottom of the last page.
At the end of 2006 playing season, clubs will be allocated ‘competition points’ on the basis of their League standings and performances in FAI & League Cups and Europe. When the total ‘competition points’ accrued by each club is tallied, they will be ranked accordingly – the club with the highest number of competition points is ranked 1, with the club with the lowest number of competition points ranked 22 for the purposes of the IAG process.
League:
• Premier Division League winners receive 22 points, runners-up 21 points reducing on a point per position down to 1 point for bottom place in the 1st Division.
• Last place finisher in Premiership in regular season will be ‘relegated’ => ranked #14 in league standings and allocated 9pts.
• 1st Division winner will be ‘promoted’ => ranked #11 in league standings and allocated 12pts.
• Club finishing 11th in Premier will play off against 1st Division runners up. Winners of the play off will be finish #12 in League standings and gain 11pts. Losers of the play off will be ranked 13th and allocated 10pts.
BohsFans
20/12/2006, 3:36 PM
In terms of the IAG process and their allocating of assessment points (what we have been talking about for the last page or so), the Play-Off decided who would be placed in those positions.
Once again, the following is from the FAI's document on the matter. Maybe you missed it hiding near the bottom of the last page.
In case you've forgotten, I was responding to this post, where you titled the play-off
annual promotion/relegation play-off
DannyInvincible
20/12/2006, 5:00 PM
Well, I'm not sure why you're still concerned with that seeing as:
i) I know and have recognised that this isn't the official name of the match.
ii) I've also recognised that dubbing it as such gives the wrong impression as it had no direct bearing on promotion or relegation in the 2006 season.
iii) I've amended the Wikipedia page to explain the situation and how Dundalk perceived it as such (or believed it should have been such).
The fact is that the play-off did decide the position of the two contesting clubs for the purpose of the IAG allocating 2006 season points. The final league positions of the two clubs before the play-off took place were not taken into account so they're irrelevant to this discussion.
BohsFans
20/12/2006, 6:52 PM
Well, I'm not sure why you're still concerned with that seeing as:
i) I know and have recognised that this isn't the official name of the match.
ii) I've also recognised that dubbing it as such gives the wrong impression as it had no direct bearing on promotion or relegation in the 2006 season.
iii) I've amended the Wikipedia page to explain the situation and how Dundalk perceived it as such (or believed it should have been such).
The fact is that the play-off did decide the position of the two contesting clubs for the purpose of the IAG allocating 2006 season points. The final league positions of the two clubs before the play-off took place were not taken into account so they're irrelevant to this discussion.
That's better, however I'd like to see a source for this:
Dundalk, however, argued that they had a right to compete in the Premiership following their Play-Off defeat of Waterford United. "What was the point of the league taking our players and fans all the way down to Waterford if it counted for nothing?".
DannyInvincible
20/12/2006, 7:12 PM
A user named 'Candlewicke' actually included that quote. I assumed he didn't make it up. I will try and leave a message asking for a source on his talk-page.
cavan_fan
20/12/2006, 8:57 PM
That's better, however I'd like to see a source for this:
Dundalk, however, argued that they had a right to compete in the Premiership following their Play-Off defeat of Waterford United. "What was the point of the league taking our players and fans all the way down to Waterford if it counted for nothing?".
I've googled this and found no mention of it apart from wikipedia of course
DannyInvincible
18/03/2007, 2:51 PM
Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAI_National_League_2007_season) is the Wikipedia page for the current season.
Some club details need filling in.
Are the crests and colours correct in this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Clubcrests1.PNG?
GavinZac
18/03/2007, 3:14 PM
i've made colin healy's a bit better. it'd be good if every first team player in the league had at least a fact sheet.
DannyInvincible
18/03/2007, 3:25 PM
i've made colin healy's a bit better. it'd be good if every first team player in the league had at least a fact sheet.
Quite a few of the Derry City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derry_City_F.C.) team have info-boxes.
As do Pats players. Light on stats though
DmanDmythDledge
18/03/2007, 4:08 PM
Is anything weird coming up on the UCD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_College_Dublin_A.F.C.) infobox on the right for anybody?
Schumi
18/03/2007, 4:38 PM
Is anything weird coming up on the UCD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_College_Dublin_A.F.C.) infobox on the right for anybody?
"FC Madhatters 06" WTF?
DmanDmythDledge
18/03/2007, 4:49 PM
"FC Madhatters 06" WTF?
Seems to be alright now after I made an edit.
pineapple stu
18/03/2007, 4:53 PM
Can you change the away jersey?
DmanDmythDledge
18/03/2007, 4:58 PM
Can you change the away jersey?
Yeah. I'm going out now so I'll do it later.
Schumi
18/03/2007, 5:01 PM
Can you change the away jersey?Already done.
pineapple stu
18/03/2007, 5:04 PM
Excellent.
Can you change the crest as well now that dmenetc won't be around for a few hours? :)
Tazskool
19/03/2007, 12:20 PM
Here is the Wiki Page a few of us are maintaining as best as possible!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wexford_Youths_F.C.
Jerry The Saint
19/03/2007, 1:01 PM
Is anything weird coming up on the UCD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_College_Dublin_A.F.C.) infobox on the right for anybody?
I didn't think encyclopedia entries were supposed to have exclamation points:eek: :)
Notable supporters
Dave Fanning- radio DJ
Dermot Morgan- comedian and actor
Jimmy Magee- sports broadcaster
Con Houlihan-legendary sports journalist
Gerry Thornley- sports journalist
Barry Andrews- politician
I'm not sure about this bit. Con Houlihan has been identified with Pats for years, much more than any other club.
Is Gerry Thornley right as well? I know he is a fan of the league but I've heard differing reports on what club he supports.
Barry Murphy from Apres Match is a Pats fan! :D
DmanDmythDledge
19/03/2007, 2:03 PM
There's no page for bohs its says its unavailable anyone know what the story there is?
It's coming up alright for me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_F.C.
yeah found it but only when i clicked a link for it in the eircom league part when i search for it it comes up ''There was a problem with your search. This is probably temporary; try again in a few moments, or you can search Wikipedia through an external search service:''
Tried to delete the old post before anyone saw it when i realised my mistake!!!!
Schumi
19/03/2007, 2:41 PM
It's coming up alright for me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_F.C.That link doesn't work either, the last '.' is outside the link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_F.C.
GavinZac
19/03/2007, 4:27 PM
Here is the Wiki Page a few of us are maintaining as best as possible!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wexford_Youths_F.C.
i've made the fixture list a little more organised, its not the full list though as it wasnt a full list when i started and i dont have WYFC's fixtures
YankExile
19/03/2007, 8:49 PM
A while back I noticed the Cork City page had the opponent right for the first round in Champions League 2006, but had Apollon Limassol as being a club from Sweden. I edited that to reflect that they were Cypriot. Would've mentioned it sooner but only just now found this thread.
GavinZac
20/03/2007, 11:25 AM
could a (non-biased, please :) ) UCD fan help creating an article for Darragh Ryan?
DmanDmythDledge
20/03/2007, 12:06 PM
could a (non-biased, please :) ) UCD fan help creating an article for Darragh Ryan?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darragh_Ryan It's a start anyway.:)
GavinZac
20/03/2007, 12:11 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darragh_Ryan It's a start anyway.:)
excellent, thank you :)
DmanDmythDledge
09/04/2007, 9:38 PM
Just after creating a Football League of Ireland managers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Football_League_of_Ireland_managers) category. Have added a good few managers but not all obviously (done all current ones though).
Tis-smeee
10/04/2007, 11:42 AM
Your missing gareth cronin
and brendan rea
DmanDmythDledge
10/04/2007, 12:25 PM
Your missing gareth cronin
and brendan rea
There's no wikipedia pages for them. You can make them yourself and add them if you wish.
Tis-smeee
10/04/2007, 2:58 PM
Nah lifes too short and im not able
BohsFans
10/04/2007, 5:14 PM
:D Someone's taking the **** on the Wexford page:
Wexford Youths' home ground at Newcastle Crossabeg has 500 car parking spaces, making the carpark the biggest in the eircom League of Ireland.
:D :D
pineapple stu
10/04/2007, 5:16 PM
If the 500 is right, the rest of it may well be.
Who's got a bigger car park? Maybe us, but no-one else springs to mind.
Got to cling to whatever positives you can like!
DannyInvincible
10/04/2007, 9:26 PM
There is a template for club articles available here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Clubs).
BohsFans
10/04/2007, 11:22 PM
If the 500 is right, the rest of it may well be.
Who's got a bigger car park? Maybe us, but no-one else springs to mind.
Got to cling to whatever positives you can like!
I hope that was a joke!
ForzaWexford
11/04/2007, 9:46 AM
I think I remember reading that in one of the local papers. Maybe someone thought it relevant to put it in because there's no real alternative parking near our ground. You wouldn't really consider parking your car in town and walking 4 or 5 km to see the game...
BohsFans
11/04/2007, 4:03 PM
I think I remember reading that in one of the local papers. Maybe someone thought it relevant to put it in because there's no real alternative parking near our ground. You wouldn't really consider parking your car in town and walking 4 or 5 km to see the game...
yes but biggest car park in the league? Enjoy staying minnows! :rolleyes:
NY Hoop
12/04/2007, 10:37 AM
Enjoy staying minnows! :rolleyes:
Something in common already then?
KOH
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