Dublin Decider

[Charlie Darwin]

Sad day when tickets offically go on sale tomorrow and game is close to a sell out.

Also tickets on sale on Done deal already
http://www.donedeal.ie/find/all/for-sale/Ireland/liverpool%20v%20celtic
I could see your point if this was only a friendly - I mean who goes to friendlies? - but this is a crunch Decider.

[peadar1987]

Sad day when tickets offically go on sale tomorrow and game is close to a sell out.

Also tickets on sale on Done deal already
http://www.donedeal.ie/find/all/for-sale/Ireland/liverpool%20v%20celtic

One hundred and fifty fecking quid for a friendly between an English team and a Scottish team?! You could buy a season ticket at most LOI grounds for that. Absolutely shocking that people are willing to pay those kinds of prices for a mickey mouse barstool run-out.

[Charlie Darwin]

One hundred and fifty fecking quid for a friendly between an English team and a Scottish team?! You could buy a season ticket at most LOI grounds for that. Absolutely shocking that people are willing to pay those kinds of prices for a mickey mouse barstool run-out.
You could buy a season ticket in a lot of bigger leagues for that. It's ridiculous the money people will shell out.

[Jofspring]

Someone is looking for 150 but there is nothing to say anyone will pay that.

If people are willing to pay that then I suggest LOI clubs buy up a few batches and make a killing off it. Easy money :D

[peadar1987]

You could buy a season ticket in a lot of bigger leagues for that. It's ridiculous the money people will shell out.

It's marketing genius though. The same people who won't pay €15 for a league game "because it's rubbish" will quite happily shell out up to ten times that to watch second-string sides who don't particularly care in a glorified pre-season training session. If only the people behind it could be convinced to leave the Dark Side!

[Mr A]

Just imagine if the first tranche of tickets for this game were only available inside LOI grounds. It would have been an easy way to get a few people through the gates around the league and a few would stay and just maybe come again.

[ArdeeBhoy]

It's a glorified friendly and already advised all the Tims I know to steer clear, as they hopefully will have far more important European games around then.
The idea, as it's backed by yer 'old pals' in the FAI of being linked to domestic football, even in the North, is a good one just hard to know how to take this further.

[patrickccfc]

The Dublin Decider? its such an annoying name, what exactly is being decided like.. it angers me even

[TonyD]

Can we just have 10 attend and put up a 'Does your telly know you're here' banner.

My placard will say "Down with this sort of thing" ;)

[KK77]

Shocking! Imagine people deciding to do what they want to do!

[peadar1987]

Shocking! Imagine people deciding to do what they want to do!

When "what they want to do" is waste their money on something profoundly stupid, it is a little shocking. Then again, I was brought up in a protestant family who re-used wrapping paper, so that could just be me.

[KK77]

When "what they want to do" is waste their money on something profoundly stupid, it is a little shocking. Then again, I was brought up in a protestant family who re-used wrapping paper, so that could just be me.

But it's not stupid to them. A country of begrudgers we are!

[gormacha]

Just imagine if the first tranche of tickets for this game were only available inside LOI grounds. It would have been an easy way to get a few people through the gates around the league and a few would stay and just maybe come again.

I wish that strategy would work, but I see no evidence of it. Waterford United have tried that and makes no difference at all.

There's no point sweating this. It's like a group of Irish cinema enthusiasts railing against Iron Man 3 selling out when their beloved Pavee Lackeen didn't even get a general release.

This is waaaaaaaay beyond a football matter. These are global brands making a whistle stop tour in Ireland. Our association is complicit, but sure we knew that already.

[adamd164]

But it's not stupid to them. A country of begrudgers we are!

If I'm a "begrudger" for thinking the people spending money on this game are absolute imbeciles, then fine. I'm a begrudger. They probably think the same of me for supporting LOI.

[KK77]

If I'm a "begrudger" for thinking the people spending money on this game are absolute imbeciles, then fine. I'm a begrudger. They probably think the same of me for supporting LOI.

They might just think that's what you want to do.

[gormacha]

As an aside, and apropos of nothing in particular, I remember being at a pre-season friendly at Tolka Park when I lived in Dublin in the early '90s, against Millwall I think, but I'm open to correction on that.

The ground was sparsely populated. I was sitting with my mate and a young fella, aged maybe 16 was sitting a few rows behind us. He was wearing a Liverpool kit. A Millwall supporter who had made the trip wandered past us. "Oi you. Yes, you. [points at young fella] Support your facking local club."

[peadar1987]

But it's not stupid to them. A country of begrudgers we are!

It's not begrudgery. I respect the foreign clubs for the way they have built up such a money-making machine. It's impressive. What I am giving out about is the fact that people spend ten times what they would for a competitive game between two teams from their own country, in favour of watching a friendly between two foreign teams. And then have the sheer nerve and hypocrisy to turn up their noses at LOI fans, because our league is "crap", and "they wouldn't pay to watch that rubbish".

[KK77]

It's not begrudgery. I respect the foreign clubs for the way they have built up such a money-making machine. It's impressive. What I am giving out about is the fact that people spend ten times what they would for a competitive game between two teams from their own country, in favour of watching a friendly between two foreign teams. And then have the sheer nerve and hypocrisy to turn up their noses at LOI fans, because our league is "crap", and "they wouldn't pay to watch that rubbish".

People are entitled to spend their money as they see fit. I think if LOI people concentrated on the league it might grow instead of making smart remarks about others who don't. Maybe Irish people have been going to England to follow clubs as far back as when Irish players left the league to go to England.

[peadar1987]

People are entitled to spend their money as they see fit. I think if LOI people concentrated on the league it might grow instead of making smart remarks about others who don't. Maybe Irish people have been going to England to follow clubs as far back as when Irish players left the league to go to England.

And people are equally entitled to point out that the way some people spend their money is daft.

[Charlie Darwin]

People are entitled to spend their money as they see fit.
If you chose to spend your money on filling a bath full of baked beans and climbing in I'd be entitled to tell you how silly you are.

Mind you, that would be cheaper than and definitely a better conversation starter than paying 100 quid to watch a meaningless friendly.

[harps1954]

I've no real problem with people going to this game - it's their choice. As LOI supporters, we should be doing more to try to get people to come to LOI games - not run them down for supporting foreign teams. There's no reason why they can't do both - support a LOI team and support a foreign team if that's what they want.

I never miss a Harps home game - in fact, I've only missed about half a dozen home games in 25 years at Finn Park. Don't do as many aways now as I used to - there was a time up until about 10 years ago that I would have attended nearly all Harps away matches too - but for one reason or another I can't do it now (kids, work, etc - getting away from work on a Friday early isn't easy when you have to leave Donegal to head to Galway or Wexford or wherever). I also go across to England about 4 times a season to watch games over there and be in Lansdowne for Ireland home games (just the competitive ones nowadays, don't make as many friendlies as I used to).

[gormacha]

I think if LOI people concentrated on the league it might grow instead of making smart remarks about others who don't.

Well, thankfully it's not an either/or. I imagine most everyone on here does concentrate on the LOI, but luckily it doesn't neceassrily rule out taking an informed, critical position on Irish people's obsession with a league in another country.

And it's also not an either/or for them either. In theory, they could watch their Match of the Day, travel to England for the occasional match, and still go and watch their local club play. Every week, more or less. But they choose not to. They prefer a mediated version of football, rather than the messy reality of watching actual human beings play football.


Maybe Irish people have been going to England to follow clubs as far back as when Irish players left the league to go to England.

That's simply historically inaccurate. In the years following World War II, and up to and including the 1970s, Irish people sinmply didn't have the money to travel to the UK on a whim to watch football. What English football they did watch was when they emigrated. Not coincidentally, LOI attendance figures were regularly in the 20,000+ range during this period.

I get you're trying to argue the point that people who watch English or Scottish football are just ordinary football fans, but its actually a very peculiar habit. It only looks normal because that's all many Irish people have ever known. But the extent of it is a very rare phenomenon, and you'd be hard pushed to find any other country in the world that ignores its own league to this extent, whilst clearly loving the game itself.

[KK77]

And people are equally entitled to point out that the way some people spend their money is daft.

I supose if you have nothing else to do and it bothers you that much!

[KK77]

If you chose to spend your money on filling a bath full of baked beans and climbing in I'd be entitled to tell you how silly you are.

Mind you, that would be cheaper than and definitely a better conversation starter than paying 100 quid to watch a meaningless friendly.

If it bothers you that much one could say you are silly!

[Charlie Darwin]

I don't think it bothers anybody that much, except that it's money and support we wish would be invested in the domestic game.

[KK77]

Well, thankfully it's not an either/or. I imagine most everyone on here does concentrate on the LOI, but luckily it doesn't neceassrily rule out taking an informed, critical position on Irish people's obsession with a league in another country.

And it's also not an either/or for them either. In theory, they could watch their Match of the Day, travel to England for the occasional match, and still go and watch their local club play. Every week, more or less. But they choose not to. They prefer a mediated version of football, rather than the messy reality of watching actual human beings play football.



That's simply historically inaccurate. In the years following World War II, and up to and including the 1970s, Irish people sinmply didn't have the money to travel to the UK on a whim to watch football. What English football they did watch was when they emigrated. Not coincidentally, LOI attendance figures were regularly in the 20,000+ range during this period.

I get you're trying to argue the point that people who watch English or Scottish football are just ordinary football fans, but its actually a very peculiar habit. It only looks normal because that's all many Irish people have ever known. But the extent of it is a very rare phenomenon, and you'd be hard pushed to find any other country in the world that ignores its own league to this extent, whilst clearly loving the game itself.

All i am saying is people are entitled to watch whatever football in whatever league they choose without people making smart arsed remarks. If they concentrated on their own league maybe it would grow.

[KK77]

I don't think it bothers anybody that much, except that it's money and support we wish would be invested in the domestic game.

It bothers a lot of people if we are all being honest.

[Charlie Darwin]

It bothers people for the reason I said, but not excessively so. There is nobody sitting outside your sitting room window quietly disapproving of you for enjoying a match on the telly.

[KK77]

It bothers people for the reason I said, but not excessively so. There is nobody sitting outside your sitting room window quietly disapproving of you for enjoying a match on the telly.

We'll just have to agree to disagree so!

[gormacha]

It bothers people for the reason I said, but not excessively so. There is nobody sitting outside your sitting room window quietly disapproving of you for enjoying a match on the telly.

I am. I do that.

Is that just me then? Hello? HELLO?

[Dalymountrower]

We'll just have to agree to disagree so!

Eh sorry, that was me sitting outside your gaff while you were watching the foreign game on TV. I was trying for a look of indifference rather than disapproval but it didn`t come off.

[Charlie Darwin]

I am. I do that.

Is that just me then? Hello? HELLO?
Ah, it's yourself! I was wondering whose breath that was on my neck all these years.

[legendz]

Hmm... I would have though that League Cup final tickets would be cheaper than barstool milking tickets, so either the FAI would have to price out LOI regulars, or give up a lot of barstool revenue. It would be good for publicity, but perhaps also cheapen the LOI by having them so ostensibly playing the part of an undercard for the "main event", which is a meaningless friendly.


Fair point if the idea is to be discussed and examined further. What's the average attendance for LoI games or previous league cup finals? FAI could reserve 6000 tickets for the league finalists at a reasonable price. Tickets not bought through clubs which would be by those going for the Dublin Decider then can be the high A category price where they can milk the barstoolers. I don't think it would break any consumer laws? I think some clubs across the water have pricing systems where tickets can be got a better price depending on number of games people go to. This could be along similar lines.

[legendz]

Vomit

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Isn't there a Bulmers ad on a dart line bridge in Dublin along the lines of North Cider, or South Cider? The Dublin DeCider should be the final of a cup competition between dublin clubs in a Bulmers cup!

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

If you chose to spend your money on filling a bath full of baked beans and climbing in I'd be entitled to tell you how silly you are.

Mind you, that would be cheaper than and definitely a better conversation starter than paying 100 quid to watch a meaningless friendly.

I have to strongly disagree with this post. I don't think you could fill a bath full of baked beans for under €100.

[ArdeeBhoy]

De Cider? No thanks.

But 'Magners Pear', now yer talking...

[Charlie Darwin]

I have to strongly disagree with this post. I don't think you could fill a bath full of baked beans for under €100.
Where do you buy your beans?

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

If beans are say 80c a tin, I don't think you'd fill a bath with 125 tins.

[Charlie Darwin]

If you shop at Musgraves it could be doable. Clearly I've put a lot of thought into this.

[ger121]

I thought I'd logged into food.ie there for a second!

[Eminence Grise]

With all the hot air surrounding this game, Blazing Saddles comes to mind! John Delaney as Hedley Lamarr seems fitting.

[Spudulika]

Between Charlie Darwin and Gormacha I thought there was another "western" movie developing, maybe one with a love that daren't speak it's name - like a Pats-Dundalk couple shacking up on Friday night last.

[Trainee]

I hope all LOI clubs applied for tickets as they could make some easy money, they could do a draw for the tickets and make a decent sum of money from it.

[nigel-harps1954]

I hope no LOI club want anything to do with tickets for this match considering the fact it's being held on the same weekend as a full round of League fixtures.

[KK77]

Eh sorry, that was me sitting outside your gaff while you were watching the foreign game on TV. I was trying for a look of indifference rather than disapproval but it didn`t come off.

I don't watch football on tv i leave that for the barstoolers!

[Eminence Grise]

Not going down well in some parts of Scotland, as Celtic have had to reschedule a league match to play in Dublin.

'Goodwin rounded on the SPFL - formed last week by a merger of the Scottish Premier League and the Scottish Football League - and claimed the move made a mockery of the Scottish game. The Irish defender said: "I'm very frustrated. I don't agree with it. I understand from a financial view what it does for Celtic. But for the game up here it is ridiculous.'


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/st-mirren-skipper-jim-goodwin-1964990

Celtic must be really hard up if they're relying on JD for a dig-out!

[ArdeeBhoy]

Tbf, that was always the case.

AFAIK, Celtic got dispensation from the SPL to play this last season, once they were invited, which will be largely squad players probably anyway.

That rag, 'The Record' is just trying to stir the pot.

[Dodge]

They played that LOI/Celtic/Man City/Inter tournament a couple of weeks into their season 2 years ago. Rangers had a friendly either a week before or after too

[gormacha]

Irrespective of precedent, Goodwin makes a valid point. It is ridiculous for the Scottish league to make way for a friendly. And as I imagine everyone on here who has played will know, it puts huge pressure on a team when they get behind in games played early in the season. Celtic choose to do so, St. Mirren didn't.

[deiseach]

I wonder how many of the people going to this match, were they to stumble upon this thread, would go "gosh, I HAVE been an imbecile! I must get along to my local ground ASAP!"?