Dublin Decider

[Charlie Darwin]

I wonder how many of the people going to this match, were they to stumble upon this thread, would go "gosh, I HAVE been an imbecile! I must get along to my local ground ASAP!"?
All of them. They would all do that.

Goodwin is quite right, postponing league fixtures to play vanity friendlies makes a mockery of the whole charade, which had little credibility to begin with.

[KK77]

I wonder how many of the people going to this match, were they to stumble upon this thread, would go "gosh, I HAVE been an imbecile! I must get along to my local ground ASAP!"?

I would say they would all realise the LOI's problems are down to them and get along to the local grounds asap.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Irrespective of precedent, Goodwin makes a valid point. It is ridiculous for the Scottish league to make way for a friendly. And as I imagine everyone on here who has played will know, it puts huge pressure on a team when they get behind in games played early in the season. Celtic choose to do so, St. Mirren didn't.
Fair enough, but Celtic have lots of fans in Ireland, St.Mirren don't.
And surely it's down to the SPL/SL what they do.
Presumably they were sanctioned to do so, by the FAI...

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

All of them. They would all do that.

Goodwin is quite right, postponing league fixtures to play vanity friendlies makes a mockery of the whole charade, which had little credibility to begin with.

But moving venue for a league match because of a friendly game is ok?! :)

[Dodge]

I wonder how many of the people going to this match, were they to stumble upon this thread, would go "gosh, I HAVE been an imbecile! I must get along to my local ground ASAP!"?

What's your point caller?

[peadar1987]

Fair enough, but Celtic have lots of fans in Ireland, St.Mirren don't.
And surely it's down to the SPL/SL what they do.
Presumably they were sanctioned to do so, by the FAI...

So would it be okay for St. Mirren to schedule a money-spinning friendly with Manchester City or Arsenal on the same day they were scheduled to play Celtic, and just blow off the Hoops in favour of getting a big gate against one of them?

As always in Scottish football, it's one rule for the Old Firm, another for the rest.

[Charlie Darwin]

But moving venue for a league match because of a friendly game is ok?! :)
No, I think SDCC were wrong to bar the stadium from use that day too :)

[deiseach]

What's your point caller?

My point is this: imagine this board weren't an enclosed order. If you could reach out to the barstoolers going to the Celtic-Liverpool game, would you speak to them in the manner that some posters here seem to think is required? I wouldn't see the scales falling from many eyes.

[Dodge]

My point is this: imagine this board weren't an enclosed order. If you could reach out to the barstoolers going to the Celtic-Liverpool game, would you speak to them in the manner that some posters here seem to think is required? I wouldn't see the scales falling from many eyes.

If you go to Liverpool forums you'll see dozens of threads complaining about day trippers and foreign fans. Do any of these stop Irish people being fans of Liverpool?

How many people have contributed to this thread? Maybe 30. Do you honestly believe that anyone thinks those 30 are representative of LOI supporters? It's the internet, the extremities are always on show.

Anyone who uses the "some mean LOIers made fun of me supporting Liverpool on the internet" line of thinking would NEVER, EVER think about going to watch a game.

And I say that as someone who couldn't care less who goes to this friendly, and how anybody chooses to spend their money. Not once have I ever attacked anyone for supporting a British side instead of an Irish one

[deiseach]

If you go to Liverpool forums you'll see dozens of threads complaining about day trippers and foreign fans. Do any of these stop Irish people being fans of Liverpool?

How many people have contributed to this thread? Maybe 30. Do you honestly believe that anyone thinks those 30 are representative of LOI supporters? It's the internet, the extremities are always on show.

Anyone who uses the "some mean LOIers made fun of me supporting Liverpool on the internet" line of thinking would NEVER, EVER think about going to watch a game.

And I say that as someone who couldn't care less who goes to this friendly, and how anybody chooses to spend their money. Not once have I ever attacked anyone for supporting a British side instead of an Irish one

Now I could ask "what's your point, caller?". The thread is about the Celtic-Liverpool game, and how League of Ireland supporters should view it and the people who attend it. I don't think the thread is representative of League of Ireland supporters, only of those who post on it. You don't criticise people who watch British teams? Good for you. I'd like to hear from the people who do criticise people who watch British teams. Heck, I might even learn something.

[KK77]

Now I could ask "what's your point, caller?". The thread is about the Celtic-Liverpool game, and how League of Ireland supporters should view it and the people who attend it. I don't think the thread is representative of League of Ireland supporters, only of those who post on it. You don't criticise people who watch British teams? Good for you. I'd like to hear from the people who do criticise people who watch British teams. Heck, I might even learn something.

How LOI supporters should view people who attend it! PMSL

[deiseach]

How LOI supporters should view people who attend it! PMSL

*shrugs* That's the way the thread has evolved.

[osarusan]

and how League of Ireland supporters should view it and the people who attend it.

There isn't any way LOI supporters 'should' view it.

View it however you like.

[gormacha]

I'd like to hear from the people who do criticise people who watch British teams.

I don't make a habit of criticising people who exclusively support a British (and, occasionally, even a Spanish) team (what would be the point?), but I do think it's a sign of a very deep malaise that they do. At this point I think its important to state that I don't think its a personal malaise, but a social, economic and cultural one that goes way beyond the whims and fancies of any individual, say, Liverpool supporter.

You could write a book on the myriad reasons why it possibly happens (a perceived poor domestic league; post-colonial servitude; globalised cultural homogenisation; the hyper-reality of late capitalism; lateral marketing enabled by media consolidation; and "just because"), but my main concern is that it is another nail in the coffin of people actually directly experiencing anything.

Supporting only a club that you cannot or do not attend is to make football, in this example, a mediated experience. This is happening everywhere and to most everything. Its a deeply problematic development for society. I try to avoid it myself by trying insofar as is possible, to always do things rather than consume things, even if this just means being a spectator in person, rather than a spectator through a TV screen. In this instance of the Liverpool/Celtic match, I'm actually quite pleased that people actually want to go and watch it in person. However, I'd prefer it if they could transfer this desire to watch football live into a more sustainable endeavour.

I instinctively feel less concerned about people who have collars and cuffs, so to speak - those that attend local football whilst supporting a British club. That however may be because it describes me too.

[Dodge]

Now I could ask "what's your point, caller?". The thread is about the Celtic-Liverpool game, and how League of Ireland supporters should view it and the people who attend it. I don't think the thread is representative of League of Ireland supporters, only of those who post on it. You don't criticise people who watch British teams? Good for you. I'd like to hear from the people who do criticise people who watch British teams. Heck, I might even learn something.

What? my point is there's no uniform LOI view on British football. I'd guess most have a rootng interest there. Some will invest more in their British teams than their irish ones. Others, like me, watch it on TV without "following" anyone. And some despise it.

What difference does any of it make to you? Why are you limiting the discussion to just a particular subset?

[deiseach]

What? my point is there's no uniform LOI view on British football. I'd guess most have a rootng interest there. Some will invest more in their British teams than their irish ones. Others, like me, watch it on TV without "following" anyone. And some despise it.

Fair enough. I never meant to imply otherwise, apologies if I did.


What difference does any of it make to you? Why are you limiting the discussion to just a particular subset?

Well, the viewpoint of 'each to their own' is not usually very stimulating, is it?

[ArdeeBhoy]

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/video-celtic-liverpool-fans-singing-1031637-Aug2013/?utm_source=facebook_short

'runs'...

[Charlie Darwin]

Ah now, Ardee, this is a bit like throwing a grenade on your own doorstep, isn't it? I assume you think it's perfectly understandable a bunch of Irish people would be singing in support of their British teams?

[ArdeeBhoy]

Tbf, YNWA is not exclusively a 'British' ​song...

[Charlie Darwin]

It's not British at all, it's American.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Hence the inverted commas.

[Charlie Darwin]

Well that's obviously not why you used the inverted commas since you said it's not "exclusively" British, implying it is somewhat British. My question is why you'd post the video unless you wanted to start a debate about Irish fans supporting teams based in other countries, and I wonder what would motivate you to do that since you are quite vocal in your support for a Scotland-based side with an Irish identity.

[ArdeeBhoy]

It was merely a light-hearted observation on yesterday's game. Nothing more, nothing less.
:rolleyes:

And the song in a football/soccer context is 'British' ​in origin. But now sung far more widely. So what?

[Charlie Darwin]

Fair enough. Serious question, what proportion of the Scottish-born Celtic support would consider themselves British?

[ArdeeBhoy]

25% tops IMO. Most Tims wouldn't really follow Scotland for instance, apart from in a very passive way.
Many would say they 'support' Ireland even though they are Scottish (Not 'British!*) in virtually every other respect.
(But typically that support is even beyond 'passive'. Besides wearing the jersey and cheering when we win!).

Bear in mind though, that's what generally distinguishes​* them from some other club in Glasgow, whose current name escapes me...

[Sheridan]

Just like to sympathise with all Celtic fans, sympathisers and collaborators on foot.ie, after tonight's shocking defeat in Kazakhstan (or Russia or wherever). With a packed-out Aviva behind them for the home leg, I'm sure the Tims will turn it around.

[Mad Moose]

I don't watch football on tv i leave that for the barstoolers!

How do you watch your club then?

That said is this sh!t not out of the way yet?. Sorry I never looked at the date it was on.

On another point how ill informed and thick is Michael Ring? He looks forward to welcoming fans from England and Scotland. Seriously. The entire attendance will come from this island.

[TonyD]

Just like to sympathise with all Celtic fans, sympathisers and collaborators on foot.ie, after tonight's shocking defeat in Kazakhstan (or Russia or wherever). With a packed-out Aviva behind them for the home leg, I'm sure the Tims will turn it around.

Yeah, beaten by a team who Pats put out of europe two seasons ago. Just saying like!! (And we scored an away goal over there)

[Charlie Darwin]

How do you watch your club then?

That said is this sh!t not out of the way yet?. Sorry I never looked at the date it was on.

On another point how ill informed and thick is Michael Ring? He looks forward to welcoming fans from England and Scotland. Seriously. The entire attendance will come from this island.
The game was about a week and a half ago. I can't say for sure since I wasn't at the game, but there were a lot of Scottish people around town around the game, and many came to the Rovers-Pats game in Tallaght too. As far as I know, most of the tickets were sold by the clubs through their usual channels.

[peadar1987]

The game was about a week and a half ago. I can't say for sure since I wasn't at the game, but there were a lot of Scottish people around town around the game, and many came to the Rovers-Pats game in Tallaght too. As far as I know, most of the tickets were sold by the clubs through their usual channels.

That's one of the strangest things about barstoolers. They worship English and Scottish clubs, and won't attend the LOI because it's "crap", but when the actual home-based fans of those same English and Scottish teams take a trip to Ireland for whatever reason, they're often keen to take in a domestic football game!

[Charlie Darwin]

That's one of the strangest things about barstoolers. They worship English and Scottish clubs, and won't attend the LOI because it's "crap", but when the actual home-based fans of those same English and Scottish teams take a trip to Ireland for whatever reason, they're often keen to take in a domestic football game!
It's almost as if they're used to going to games as a regular thing rather than an event!

[dundalkfc10]

Was quite a few Celtic lads at the Shels Dundalk game in the away end, was 2 groups anyway that were in the Cat and Cage before the game and went along when we told them about the game just around the corner.

[marinobohs]

Was quite a few Celtic lads at the Shels Dundalk game in the away end, was 2 groups anyway that were in the Cat and Cage before the game and went along when we told them about the game just around the corner. ....... hope they were not too disappointed to see there was no jesters hats or face paint in use at the game:rolleyes:

[ArdeeBhoy]

Why would they?

And Sheridan, Celtic don't have the New Lansdowne as their home ground, even if it seems like it the odd time...
;)

[poster]

Who won?

[DannyInvincible]

Who won?

Ireland, I believe...

[nigel-harps1954]

Who won?

The FAI.

[Mad Moose]

The game was about a week and a half ago. I can't say for sure since I wasn't at the game, but there were a lot of Scottish people around town around the game, and many came to the Rovers-Pats game in Tallaght too. As far as I know, most of the tickets were sold by the clubs through their usual channels.

I'm surprised I missed the result. Mainly as I expect it was RTE's main sports item and I'd have thought they'd have tweeted me to death on it.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Who won?
Celtic!

[Charlie Darwin]

I think we were all winners from this glorious occasion.

[MeathDrog]

Celtic won Dublin. For this year anyway.

[ArdeeBhoy]

I think we were all winners from this glorious occasion.

And whose kit do/did a certain Dublin side base their kit on...
:)

[Charlie Darwin]

And whose kit do/did a certain Dublin side base their kit on...
:)
Belfast Celtic (http://www.belfastceltic.org/archive/hoops.html).

[ArdeeBhoy]

That post clearly broke the board. And who did Belfast Celtic base their kit on...

Most Shams I've ever met think their kit is based on their bigger cousin's!

[nigel-harps1954]

And who did Celtic base their kit on?

[Dodge]

And who did Celtic base their kit on?

This year's kit is clearly based on the Bulmer's/Magner's logo anyway

[KK77]

How do you watch your club then?

That said is this sh!t not out of the way yet?. Sorry I never looked at the date it was on.

On another point how ill informed and thick is Michael Ring? He looks forward to welcoming fans from England and Scotland. Seriously. The entire attendance will come from this island.

From the ground.

Incorrect on the last point.

[KK77]

That's one of the strangest things about barstoolers. They worship English and Scottish clubs, and won't attend the LOI because it's "crap", but when the actual home-based fans of those same English and Scottish teams take a trip to Ireland for whatever reason, they're often keen to take in a domestic football game!

Maybe if you concentrated on the LOI it would grow instead of making snidey remarks about others who choose not to! Should we make snidey remarks towards Irish players who head across the water!

[nigel-harps1954]

Maybe if you concentrated on the LOI it would grow instead of making snidey remarks about others who choose not to! Should we make snidey remarks towards Irish players who head across the water!

Pardon me, but I'm currently struggling to find any snide comment in the post you quoted. Could you help?

[KK77]

Pardon me, but I'm currently struggling to find any snide comment in the post you quoted. Could you help?

Sometimes some just can't be helped!