Patrick Bamford (F Leeds b.1993)

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Grant Holt, Rickie Lambert & Kevin Davies were capped in their thirties. Danny Ings & Charlie Austin rose from obscurity to be talked about as a future England International in their mid-twenties.

There is no way Bamford is going to play for Ireland in the next 5 or 6 years, unless he drops to League One level. He would be stupid to.

[eitoof]

Grant Holt, Rickie Lambert & Kevin Davies were capped in their thirties. Danny Ings & Charlie Austin rose from obscurity to be talked about as a future England International in their mid-twenties.

There is no way Bamford is going to play for Ireland in the next 5 or 6 years, unless he drops to League One level. He would be stupid to.

Did Grant Holt get capped? Didn't think so...

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

And you would be right. I was wrong about Holt. Could have sworn he played for England.

[tetsujin1979]

Grant Holt, Rickie Lambert & Kevin Davies were capped in their thirties. Danny Ings & Charlie Austin rose from obscurity to be talked about as a future England International in their mid-twenties.

There is no way Bamford is going to play for Ireland in the next 5 or 6 years, unless he drops to League One level. He would be stupid to.

If he drops to League One level, he's unlikely to get called up anyway

[Closed Account]

Danny Ings & Charlie Austin rose from obscurity to be talked about as a future England International in their mid-twenties.
Do you mean current England U-21 striker and teammate of Patrick Bamford, Daniel William John Ings? Someone should tell UEFA his age. :)

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I keep hearing Ings' age but I can never process it for some reason. This must be the hundredth time I've heard he's 22 and months later I will be going he's 25.. 26.. he's a late bloomer.

I think it's because he looks so mature for his age. He could easily pass for at least 26 or 27.

[tetsujin1979]

I keep hearing Ings' age but I can never process it for some reason. This must be the hundredth time I've heard he's 22 and months later I will be going he's 25.. 26.. he's a late bloomer.

I think it's because he looks so mature for his age. He could easily pass for at least 26 or 27.
Don't ever become a bouncer

[TrapAPony]

I wonder what 4 strikers England will be taking to the U21 tournament with Kane, Ings, Berahino, Bamford, Wilson, Wickham and Afobe all available. Even Cauley Woodrew has more games & more goals at U21 level than Bamford. Is Bamford nailed on to go?? Kane, Ings and Berahino are certs. That leaves the rest. Will Sterling be included too? The reason I say this is because if Bamford is not taken then that would be time to pounce for him and possibly Wilson too depending on who is excluded. At Senior Level - Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck, Walcott, Sterling, Kane, Berahino, Ings, possibly Carroll (when fit), Rodriguez (when fit) and Austin all ahead of him as it is and all are relatively young. If, buts and maybes....

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Food for thought.

Shane Long is six years older than Danny Ings.

[Charlie Darwin]

And Ronald Koeman doesn't pick either of them.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

You've lost me now.

[nigel-harps1954]

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/luke-shaw-left-out-of-england-under-21-squad-harry-kane-included-1.2219440

Included in Englands u-21 championship squad.

[Polster]

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/luke-shaw-left-out-of-england-under-21-squad-harry-kane-included-1.2219440

Included in Englands u-21 championship squad.

Don't blame him for taking that opportunity, but no guarantee of a senior call up either. Still be happy for him to declare for Ireland if he thinks that is the way to go in the next few years.

[TrapAPony]

Well behind in the senior squad though with Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge, Kane, Berahino, Ings, Sterling, Walcott, Carroll, Rodriguez, Vardy, Austin etc. ahead of him. All fairly young too.

[samhaydenjr]

Just to keep this probably slightly delusional speculative thread going, guess who was cut from the final England squad for the European U-21 championships? http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/02/eric-dier-misses-out-england-under-21-final-squad-european-championships - get in there, relatives of Mrs. Bamford.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Excluded due to fitness concerns.

[DeLorean]

Just to keep this probably slightly delusional speculative thread going, guess who was cut from the final England squad for the European U-21 championships? http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/02/eric-dier-misses-out-england-under-21-final-squad-european-championships - get in there, relatives of Mrs. Bamford.

Speculative more than delusional to be fair. Unlike a certain other case, Bamford has openly revealed his number one choice but has also said recently that he wouldn't rule anything out. I get the impression that he'd be delighted to play for us if and when he thinks an England senior call up is out of his reach and, who knows, that might not be as far off in the distance as we think. That would provoke the obvious sloppy seconds attitude amongst some but personally I'd be glad to welcome him on board. He feels more English but he has enough Irish in him that he'd still be representing us for the right reasons I think, subject to passing the Stutts gut test, obviously.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

If we had Bamford's best interests at heart we would want him to make the most of his talents and fulfill his desires by playing for the country of his choice, England. If Bamford plays for Ireland, then he hasn't made the most of his talents. I always find that a bit weird when you really think about it. We want a player to not be good enough to play for Chelsea, more than likely not be good enough to stay in the Premier League and to end up having a mediocre club career. Maybe it's just me. Robbie Keane is turning 35 and we have to find a way to replace a player who has 65 goals. I can understand the psychology behind it!

Bamford is still only 21. Even if he does play for Ireland it's not a decision that is going to be made before the 2018 World Cup. Look at Danny Ings, Charlie Austin, Rickie Lambert. Look at the amount of players older than him that came up through The Championship and relative obscurity to play for England. Harry Kane is the biggest example. Bamford has a good profile at the moment and is owned by the biggest Premier League club. Why would he declare? He has ample time.

He's a smart lad though keeping his options open if it goes t*ts up for him in the future. Robbie Keane turning 35. We are all thinking about our temporality here. Just a pity we have nobody obvious coming through at underage level and have to pine hopes on people like Callum Wilson & Patrick Bamford.

[gastric]

I think many of us are interested in what is best for Irish football and both Bamford and Wilson would be very welcome additions.

[tetsujin1979]

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[tetsujin1979]

Osarusan, for your future reference all mods can view the content of deleted posts.
Oh, and right back at you.

[osarusan]

Haha!

I actually remembered that as soon I had deleted it. Got caught by Dahamsta once before!

[samhaydenjr]

Excluded due to fitness concerns.

Whoops, I really should read the articles I link to a little more carefully - sorry if I got people's hopes up too much:embarrassed:


If we had Bamford's best interests at heart we would want him to make the most of his talents and fulfill his desires by playing for the country of his choice, England. If Bamford plays for Ireland, then he hasn't made the most of his talents. I always find that a bit weird when you really think about it. We want a player to not be good enough to play for Chelsea, more than likely not be good enough to stay in the Premier League and to end up having a mediocre club career. Maybe it's just me. Robbie Keane is turning 35 and we have to find a way to replace a player who has 65 goals. I can understand the psychology behind it!

Bamford is still only 21. Even if he does play for Ireland it's not a decision that is going to be made before the 2018 World Cup. Look at Danny Ings, Charlie Austin, Rickie Lambert. Look at the amount of players older than him that came up through The Championship and relative obscurity to play for England. Harry Kane is the biggest example. Bamford has a good profile at the moment and is owned by the biggest Premier League club. Why would he declare? He has ample time.

He's a smart lad though keeping his options open if it goes t*ts up for him in the future. Robbie Keane turning 35. We are all thinking about our temporality here. Just a pity we have nobody obvious coming through at underage level and have to pine hopes on people like Callum Wilson & Patrick Bamford.

You're probably right about us being a little selfish in our hopes for Bamford not quite cutting it at England level, although I don't think it would necessarily would mean he hasn't made the most of his talents. It is a little weird I know, but I guess the ideal situation for us is that one or more of the 6th to 10th best English-born strikers qualify for us and that group of 10 are closely matched. But when you consider the emergence of Sturridge, Kane, Berahino, Ings, etc, Bamford and Callum Wilson (and possibly even Will Keane) could fit that bill exactly in coming years. Although, I will concede that it's not likely to happen before the World Cup 2018 - as you said, he's young so it'll be a couple of years before it's clear whether or not he'll be integral to future England squads.

As regards young talent coming through, we do seem a little thin on the ground up front, however the recent promotion of Reece Grego-Cox to the QPR first team is a positive development, so let's hope he can cement his place next year and bang in a few goals. Also Michael Drennan's excellent form for Shamrock Rovers might lead to him becoming a factor in coming years. That said, it would still be great to be able to call on someone like Bamford or Wilson in the future.

[DeLorean]

If we had Bamford's best interests at heart we would want him to make the most of his talents and fulfill his desires by playing for the country of his choice, England. If Bamford plays for Ireland, then he hasn't made the most of his talents. I always find that a bit weird when you really think about it.

I know what you're saying but I'd look at it differently. Firstly, I don't have Bamford's interests at heart, just our own. That's not to say I wouldn't wish the guy well if he turns out to be good enough for England.

You're commenting on the assumption that he actually does possess enough talent to play for England. I'm simply recognising the fact that this may not be the case, and there's no shame in that. "Making the most of his talents" might well be having a proper international career with us, instead of a scattered or non existent one with England.


Bamford is still only 21. Even if he does play for Ireland it's not a decision that is going to be made before the 2018 World Cup. Look at Danny Ings, Charlie Austin, Rickie Lambert. Look at the amount of players older than him that came up through The Championship and relative obscurity to play for England. Harry Kane is the biggest example. Bamford has a good profile at the moment and is owned by the biggest Premier League club. Why would he declare? He has ample time.

You could very well be right but for some reason I'm not so sure. I think next season could tell a lot. Like you say,
he's a smart lad, he might just weigh up the likelihood of future England recognition against a ready made career waiting for him with us.


Thread unlocked. Keep the debate civil and on topic, or it will be locked again.

Sorry to be badgering on but why was it locked in the first place? Did somebody overstep the mark?

[GypsyBlackCat]

Linked with a permanent move to Sunderland over the weekend.

[DeLorean]

Newcastle and West Brom as well. Chelsea want £10m apparently if you can actually believe anything you read.

[DeLorean]

For those of you who must have been in a coma like me, Bamford has gone on loan to Crystal Palace for the season. (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/20/chelsea-patrick-bamford-loan-crystal-palace) It will be interesting to see how he gets on in the Premier League.

He scored a hat-trick (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11706/9930147/patrick-bamford-hits-hat-trick-for-crystal-palace-in-6-0-win-at-bromley) within twenty minutes in a pre-season game yesterday.

Hopefully his form can dip somewhat and we might have a better chance of getting him. :p

[Olé Olé]

For those of you who must have been in a coma like me, Bamford has gone on loan to Crystal Palace for the season. (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/20/chelsea-patrick-bamford-loan-crystal-palace) It will be interesting to see how he gets on in the Premier League.

He scored a hat-trick (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11706/9930147/patrick-bamford-hits-hat-trick-for-crystal-palace-in-6-0-win-at-bromley) within twenty minutes in a pre-season game yesterday.

Hopefully his form can dip somewhat and we might have a better chance of getting him. :p

Available for £6m on Fantasy Football. Bargain. I've a feeling he'll be in the England squad before season's end. Note how Jamie Vardy got a call.

It looks as though Palace are paying £8m to Sunderland for (the also eligible) Conor Wickham. Can see him playing for Northern Ireland before long but Palace must see some potential in him to pay that much for a player with 20 league goals in 4 years at Sunderland.

[GypsyBlackCat]

Available for £6m on Fantasy Football. Bargain. I've a feeling he'll be in the England squad before season's end. Note how Jamie Vardy got a call.

It looks as though Palace are paying £8m to Sunderland for (the also eligible) Conor Wickham. Can see him playing for Northern Ireland before long but Palace must see some potential in him to pay that much for a player with 20 league goals in 4 years at Sunderland.

It's £10m with add-ons plus he's on £60,000 atm. They must see something. Apart from that purple patch during the Great Escape he hasn't done much. I wouldn't say there's much difference between Bamford and Wickham.

[Olé Olé]

It's £10m with add-ons plus he's on £60,000 atm. They must see something. Apart from that purple patch during the Great Escape he hasn't done much. I wouldn't say there's much difference between Bamford and Wickham.

Aside from the fact that they've not spunked £10m with add-ons on Bamford. Time will tell, otherwise but Bamford strikes me as a more subtle attacker and I think he'll go much further. Whether he'll go Chelsea-further, I don't know.

[DeLorean]

Turns out Bamford doesn't just seem like an intelligent chap (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/aug/15/patrick-bamford-crystal-palace-chelsea-premier-league)

[Stuttgart88]

Saw that at the weekend. Can't be true. All footballers are self interested cheats who rape women for fun.

[DeLorean]

Could it be - https://twitter.com/TheOpelJersey/status/973705551224983552?s=19

[Olé Olé]

Well they were right that there was going to be an article: https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/inform-patrick-bamford-ready-to-answer-ireland-call-36703005.html

It's not very conclusive. Particularly the piece about his advisers potentially persuading him to stick with England- unless those advisers are his Irish supporting uncles.

[DeLorean]

Well they were right that there was going to be an article: https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/inform-patrick-bamford-ready-to-answer-ireland-call-36703005.html

It's not very conclusive. Particularly the piece about his advisers potentially persuading him to stick with England- unless those advisers are his Irish supporting uncles.

Looks to me like they got wind of O'Neill's quotes and spoofed the rest.

[tetsujin1979]

Yeah, that was my opinion too. They asked him about the player, he said he was aware of him, and if he wanted to declare he would speak with him. Pretty stock answer from O'Neill when asked about any qualified player.

[DeLorean]

Hopefully it gets the ball rolling all the same, O'Neill's comments I mean.

[punkrocket]

Looks like he is going to Leeds.
https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-s-goal-is-to-restore-patrick-bamford-s-verve-1-9277092

[DeLorean]

I thought his career was about to stabilise there for a minute!

[Diggs246]

He should speak now or forever hold his peacein relation to his international allegiance. I find these guys who delay disrespectful. Declare or state you are not interested.

[TrapAPony]

Mick has said in the press conference that Bamford wants to join up and is expected to be in the squad for June.

[Diggs246]

Bamford will be comfortably our best striker

[DeLorean]

A bit more on Mick's contact with Bamford here - https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/mick-mccarthy-responds-to-granny-rule-critics-and-confirms-patrick-bamford-wants-to-play-for-ireland-37888877.html


My last contact with him was on Saturday morning..they won Friday night.

I congratulated him on his goals. The one-two at the edge of the box was a sublime finish and I asked him if he still wanted to continue to join us and he said 'yes'. I'm hoping to meet him. I haven't given up on it at all.

If he does (join Ireland), it's going to be June now because we're not going to get it for these games.

I've made it clear to him, and I would hope to see him ASAP. I asked him the question 'Do you still want to join us?' - 'Yes' was the answer. So it was a matter of meeting him. I stressed to him if he wants to be involved in June, we need to get it done as quickly as possible.

[mark12345]

Bamford will be comfortably our best striker

I probably should be more enthusiastic but I've never been as unexcited about a player joining us.
Nothing to do with his abilities, which I don't know much about.
Perhaps it's the whole Grealish / Rice adventures which has soured my tastebuds.

[seanfhear]

I probably should be more enthusiastic but I've never been as unexcited about a player joining us.
Nothing to do with his abilities, which I don't know much about.
Perhaps it's the whole Grealish / Rice adventures which has soured my tastebuds.
Think of the Wham Bam !

[centre mid]

He was very highly thought of as a 16/17 year old, not sure he has pulled up many trees since but will be interesting to see how he goes.

[TrapAPony]

Bamford will be the first proper player we will have secured that has previously played U21 for England (Will Keane doesn't count). Maybe it will make it easier on other candidates to switch once he declares.

[Diggs246]

I probably should be more enthusiastic but I've never been as unexcited about a player joining us.
Nothing to do with his abilities, which I don't know much about.
Perhaps it's the whole Grealish / Rice adventures which has soured my tastebuds.
Yep. His conduct hasn't been ideal, but we need him

[SkStu]

I think he’s a big step up from anything else we have up top. There’s a touch of class about him that I think will serve him well in international ball.

[Razors left peg]

I probably should be more enthusiastic but I've never been as unexcited about a player joining us.
Nothing to do with his abilities, which I don't know much about.
Perhaps it's the whole Grealish / Rice adventures which has soured my tastebuds.

I remember thinking the same when Clinton Morrison came on board. He was messing around a bit before eventually coming on board.... by the time he score the first goal he might as well have been born in Connemara!