2012 First Division structure?

[gordongekko]

[QUOTE=gordongekko;1569529]

Dont think its Salthills fault though id say they were "convinced" by the FAI somehow.


Sorry i forgot we were living in north Korea and Delaney is in charge and must be obeyed

[Jofspring]

Sorry i forgot we were living in north Korea and Delaney is in charge and must be obeyed

Lets be honest it ain't far off that.

[gormacha]

Your last cup 1997 ours 2002.


Ah, yes, but who has the larger penis?

[bluewhitearmy]

Ah, yes, but who has the larger penis?

Ye hav a 5ft 9 Willie if thats any good to ya.

[gormacha]

Dont think its Salthills fault though id say they were "convinced" by the FAI somehow.

I've no axe to grind here, but Salthill have moved into the ground Galway Utd have used for decades; they have changed thier kit to look like Galway Utds; and they have changed their name to resemble Galway's. I think they bear some responsibility.

[bluewhitearmy]

I've no axe to grind here, but Salthill have moved into the ground Galway Utd have used for decades; they have changed thier kit to look like Galway Utds; and they have changed their name to resemble Galway's. I think they bear some responsibility.


I doubt it was there idea to do that though more likely the FAI approached them with it.....Cant see them wanting to say no to the FAI and they more then likely did see it as an opportunity to make themselves stronger alright.

[gormacha]

I doubt it was there idea to do that

It doesn't matter whose idea it was. Salthill Devon did it.

Men are known by their actions.

[bluewhitearmy]

It doesn't matter whose idea it was. Salthill Devon did it.

Men are known by their actions.

Why wouldn't they though? If its a chance to make themselves stronger then surely they would be foolish not to?

[WoodquayBoy]

The only plus side for us is that after 18, nearly 19 years in the first division
Didn't realise it had been that long, ye've more than served yet time, genuinely hope that wilderness period ends for ye this year

[gormacha]

Why wouldn't they though? If its a chance to make themselves stronger then surely they would be foolish not to?

Foolish not to? What, swop their own club's identity with that of a dieing neighbour?

I find it bizarre that any football supporter could defend such actions.

[bluewhitearmy]

Foolish not to? What, swop their own club's identity with that of a dieing neighbour?

I find it bizarre that any football supporter could defend such actions.

Not dieing already dead.

Im not defending it as such as i wouldnt be too happy if Limerick were to do something like that.....But as people have pointed out with very little fans Salthill would find it hard to survive in LOI this is a way that could help them in that regard when you take that and the fact that it would be a very silly thing to do for a club like Salthill to say no to the FAI it seems better for them to do it then not to.

In any other league it would be a ridiculous thing to do in this league im not so sure.

[MagicMon]

salthill fans up in arms this morning when they found out the name is now changing to Galway Devon.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE

So are the rumours about Leeson & co. on the Devon board true then? How did the FAI force that on them, because surely there's no way that any club would voluntarily bring them in after what they did at Galway United?

[geezer]

[QUOTE=bluewhitearmy;1569582]Not dieing already dead.

Wrong

Galway United u19s are playing tomorrow in Cobh and at Mervue on Tuesday

[bluewhitearmy]

[QUOTE=bluewhitearmy;1569582]Not dieing already dead.

Wrong

Galway United u19s are playing tomorrow in Cobh and at Mervue on Tuesday

Have Salthill changed their 19s name and strip?

[geezer]

[QUOTE=geezer;1569585]

Have Salthill changed their 19s name and strip?

nope i doubt it

[gormacha]

Have Salthill changed their 19s name and strip?

You say you're not defending them yet your posts say otherwise.

I find your position absolutely bizarre. If Limerick folded tomorrow and a local junior club took your ground, name and kit I imagine you'd be singing a different tune.

[Olander]

You say you're not defending them yet your posts say otherwise.

I find your position absolutely bizarre. If Limerick folded tomorrow and a local junior club took your ground, name and kit I imagine you'd be singing a different tune.
The best thing to do is ignore, I find tedious doesn't come close to describing his posts at the best of times. Zzzzzzzz

[bluewhitearmy]

You say you're not defending them yet your posts say otherwise.

I find your position absolutely bizarre. If Limerick folded tomorrow and a local junior club took your ground, name and kit I imagine you'd be singing a different tune.

Its not GUSTS ground.

And i wouldnt be making ridiculous statements like No-one in Galway will support them and i wouldnt be coming on abusing them for taking advantage of a mess our club caused for itself.
Im not defending them but on the other hand i would in no way knock them for it.

All im doing is stating facts the senior team of GUFC is dead is it not?

[sadloserkid]

Didn't realise it had been that long, ye've more than served yet time, genuinely hope that wilderness period ends for ye this year

Me too! Surely to God...

[legendz]

Wasn't Limerick resurrected as Limerick 37 and now running as Limerick FC. Was there something years back about a Limerick name changed that disgruntled support in the county?
Many clubs around the world through the years have had name changes, jersey changes and even location changes. I'm not defending or condoning it either but some in Salthill must have seen it as an opportunity. The example of sorts of PSG was pointed out. In some respects it takes a club a lot to change name and colours. When Kildare joined the league, it was supposed to be Newbridge Town but they felt naming the team as Kildare would endear the club to the county. I've always been on the belief that the club should have joined as Newbridge Town and maybe after a few years have gone down the road of changing name etc. for a new era and direction for the club. This is something Salthill have done now anyways.

[Lim till i die]

Ye were not around in 1997

:bulgy:

75th anniversary of unbroken senior football representation in Limerick city this year.

It doesn't matter a whit to me in what guises this happened.

Walk around Naples telling people they've never won a scuddetto.

Fairplay to the GUST for keeping the 19s going, they're very poor, but genuinely fairplay, I was waiting for everything to be expunged. (which would have actually damaged Limericks prospects.)

[gormacha]

75th anniversary of unbroken senior football representation in Limerick city this year.

It doesn't matter a whit to me in what guises this happened.


Utterly, utterly bizarre.

Taken to its logical conclusion, that would mean that no club had any hold on your loyalty at all.

Is this peculiar to Limerick?

[sadloserkid]

Is this peculiar to Limerick?

No.

Limerick, Cork, Derry, Naples, Florence amongst other places.

[adamd164]

Don't forget Waterford changed their name in 1982 :)

[TheBoss]

No.

Limerick, Cork, Derry, Naples, Florence amongst other places.

The case is different for the Italian Clubs, Italian football clubs cannot go bankrupt because they are covered by bank guarantees where as the Irish Clubs are not, just because the club buys back the history does not make it the same club.

[gormacha]

Don't forget Waterford changed their name in 1982 :)

You're missing my point entirely. The ironically named LimTilIDie (really?) appears to be saying that he or she doesn't care what club in Limerick plays senior football as long as someone does. I'm saying that this is a very unusual way to look at football, where loyalty to a club and its identity is normally hugely important.

It's important to me as a Waterford Utd supporter that I can trace the club lineage back to 1930, just as its important to Cork City fans to show allegiance to the club lineage from 1984 onwards. We can argue the toss about whether ouir claims are true or not, but we are at least agreed that the issue is important to us. Not so it appears for our Limerick brethren, one of whom has no problem with Galway Devon or whatever they are calling themselves taking over the identity of Galway United, and another two of whom have no problem who plays senior football in their city as long as someone does.

LOI never ceases to amaze me. Even its fans are mad.

[bluewhitearmy]

The case is different for the Italian Clubs, Italian football clubs cannot go bankrupt because they are covered by bank guarantees where as the Irish Clubs are not, just because the club buys back the history does not make it the same club.


Thats definitely wrong Fiorentina went bust and then a new club bought back the name.

Edit: Heres a bit of the story http://www.abc.net.au/news/2003-05-16/fiorentina-reclaim-their-name/1854868

[nigel-harps1954]

So....the first division structure this season. Awful isn't it?

[bluewhitearmy]

You're missing my point entirely. The ironically named LimTilIDie (really?) is saying that he or she doesn't care what club in Limerick plays senior football as long as someone does. I'm saying that this is a very unusual way to look at football, where loyalty to a club and its identity is normally hugely important.

It's important to me as a Waterford Utd supporter that I can trace the club lineage back to 1930, just as its important to Cork City fans to show allegiance to the club lineage from 1984 onwards. We can argue the toss about whether ouir claims are true or not, but we are at least agreed that the issue is important to us. Not so it appears for our Limerick brethren, one of whom has no problem with Galway Devon or whatever they are calling themselves taking over the identity of Galway United, and another two of whom have no problem who plays senior football in their city as long as someone does.

LOI never ceases to amaze me. Even its fans are mad.


Its not Limerick FC,Limerick 37 or Limerick United til i die just Lim....He supports senior football in Limerick whats so hard to get?

[gormacha]

Its not Limerick FC,Limerick 37 or Limerick United til i die just Lim....He supports senior football in Limerick whats so hard to get?

I understand it. I just don't understand it. Understand?

[bluewhitearmy]

I understand it. I just don't understand it. Understand?


To me they are all the same thing with the same people involved i was at the League Cup Final in 2002 and to me i support the same club today that won the cup that day.

[BonnieShels]

I'm seriously at a loss as to how some people can't comprehend what LTID is saying. It makes perfect sense.

[sadloserkid]

I think there's a lot of confusion outside of Limerick as well about the detail of our various forms over the years. The only difference between Limerick FC (the old one, try and keep up :) ) and Limerick 37 was the chairman. The new/current Limerick FC is simply a renamed Limerick 37. It's every bit as tolerable to me as the Cork City case. I think you're taking things very, very literally Gormacha. Personally, to cover a few of the bits and pieces here:

1) if I had been a GUFC fan I wouldn't support SD Galway. Utterly understand that and sympathise with them for their loss of club.

2)I don't really think that SD Galway are quite as souless as they're now being painted. I'd probably take a harder line if they were calling themselves United but as it is the death of GUFC has left a space. Obviously it would suit GUST if the 'housing estate teams' stayed exactly that but SD Galway wanting a shot at the big time is their own business. By hook or by crook Terryland Park has been made available to them, they are from Galway and they've adopted the county colours. I'd be LIVID if something similar happened to me as a Limerick fan but it wouldn't make the usurpers any worse than opportunists.

3) I don't think that Limerick FC is 75 years old but I do think that it's a continuation of a club that founded 75 years ago. I'm quite happy with that way of thinking personally. Football in Limerick has had some dark, dark days but it is to the credit of those who have involved themselves in it that there has never been a year that a club has not competed. It is, by the by, a grave fault of football in this country that teams can so readily avail of boom-bust-reform-repeat cycles.

4) An 8 team first division is MADNESS! (that last one is for you nigel-harps! :) )

[gormacha]

I don't think that Limerick FC is 75 years old but I do think that it's a continuation of a club that founded 75 years ago. I'm quite happy with that way of thinking personally.

That's fair enough,and that's actually the position I was arguing for, not against. LTID's post gave the impression it wasn't important what club played senior football in Limerick as long as someone did. Your post says you do see a lineage and its important to you.

I still disagree with you about SD Galway though. :)

[Dermotron]

Hopefully there's enough support/lobbying to increase the league size, shame to see the 1st Div with only 8 teams in it when more are obviously interested. Undermines the great work they have done to seemingly not even be considered

[culloty82]

It would be hard to argue that the current Napoli, Fiorentina, Aldershot etc clubs aren't the direct descendants of the clubs that went bust, the difference with Cork being that before now, a new club with a completely different name (FORAS FC was just a legal requirement) replaced the preceding team. Of course, what distinguishes the foreign clubs is they had to restart at a lower level of the pyramid, and while in Limerick's case the lowest rung was the First Division, FORAS and Derry could have been sent to the A Championship, but the risk to the clubs futures probably overruled that.

[sadloserkid]

I still disagree with you about SD Galway though. :)

As is your right. You're using their new title now though which I see as progress. :)

[Lim till i die]

The ironically named LimTilIDie (really?).

Well Over 100 games in the last three years FWIW. Not that I'm particularly pushed about justifying myself on the internetz.

Top tip: Things will sometimes seem utterly bizarre when you read your own meaning into them rather than what's actually there.

BonnieShels got it straight away and slk more or less nailed it in point three so I'm gonna leave it at that.....


On the structure of the Division (let's all go back there!) it's going to be a bit sucky, 28 games is gammy and I can see (at this early stage!) the division breaking down as follows:

Limerick - A cut, nay several cuts, above everyone else. Arguably the best player in every position in the Division and some solid back up to boot. We should absolutely stroll it. We won't.

Longford - Solid, workmanlike, a couple of years building now, will win a lot of tight games. They kind of remind me of Mick Cookes Monaghan at this stage.

Waterford - Possibly poorer than last year, but then the division is a hell of a lot poorer than last year. They'll do alright, always seem to have a little bit of extra quality at this level.

Harps - Will be Harps. "Physical", Northern, a fairly tough, fairly toothless, cookie.

Athlone - I've a sneaking suspicion (hope?!) they wont be as terrible as people suspect. Mike Kerley is generally able to get a good run out of even very ordinary teams if given time.... If he doesn't I reckon he'll be for the road either way. Will always try to play ball, which is refreshing in the First Division.

Mervue - Have probably gone backwards since last year, Ger Hanley gone, first full season without Gaffney, no sign of Tom King?? But then so has the Division so they'll probably stand still.

Wexford - Will be terrible. And we'll struggle against them.

Salthill Devon Galway - I know nothing about. They'd want to sign a few players to avoid being a bit of a joke though. Get browning points from me for moving to Terryland though!

Wow - 8 teams. EIGHT teams. :bulgy:

Just realised how rubbish it is typing there.

[Mr Maroon]

2)I don't really think that SD Galway are quite as souless as they're now being painted. I'd probably take a harder line if they were calling themselves United but as it is the death of GUFC has left a space. Obviously it would suit GUST if the 'housing estate teams' stayed exactly that but SD Galway wanting a shot at the big time is their own business. By hook or by crook Terryland Park has been made available to them, they are from Galway and they've adopted the county colours. I'd be LIVID if something similar happened to me as a Limerick fan but it wouldn't make the usurpers any worse than opportunists.

Nope. Not yet at least.

[Lim till i die]

If push comes to shove and the FAI say jump are the Galway District League really going to say anything other then How High??

[TheBoss]

Thats definitely wrong Fiorentina went bust and then a new club bought back the name.

Edit: Heres a bit of the story http://www.abc.net.au/news/2003-05-16/fiorentina-reclaim-their-name/1854868

Just look up ''Lodo Petrucci''

[nigel-harps1954]

Well Over 100 games in the last three years FWIW. Not that I'm particularly pushed about justifying myself on the internetz.

Top tip: Things will sometimes seem utterly bizarre when you read your own meaning into them rather than what's actually there.

BonnieShels got it straight away and slk more or less nailed it in point three so I'm gonna leave it at that.....


On the structure of the Division (let's all go back there!) it's going to be a bit sucky, 28 games is gammy and I can see (at this early stage!) the division breaking down as follows:

Limerick - A cut, nay several cuts, above everyone else. Arguably the best player in every position in the Division and some solid back up to boot. We should absolutely stroll it. We won't.

Longford - Solid, workmanlike, a couple of years building now, will win a lot of tight games. They kind of remind me of Mick Cookes Monaghan at this stage.

Waterford - Possibly poorer than last year, but then the division is a hell of a lot poorer than last year. They'll do alright, always seem to have a little bit of extra quality at this level.

Harps - Will be Harps. "Physical", Northern, a fairly tough, fairly toothless, cookie.

Athlone - I've a sneaking suspicion (hope?!) they wont be as terrible as people suspect. Mike Kerley is generally able to get a good run out of even very ordinary teams if given time.... If he doesn't I reckon he'll be for the road either way. Will always try to play ball, which is refreshing in the First Division.

Mervue - Have probably gone backwards since last year, Ger Hanley gone, first full season without Gaffney, no sign of Tom King?? But then so has the Division so they'll probably stand still.

Wexford - Will be terrible. And we'll struggle against them.

Salthill Devon Galway - I know nothing about. They'd want to sign a few players to avoid being a bit of a joke though. Get browning points from me for moving to Terryland though!

Wow - 8 teams. EIGHT teams. :bulgy:

Just realised how rubbish it is typing there.

Hard to argue with most of that post LTID, going to be one absolute shocker of a division this year. Limerick will walk it. If you ask me, it's anyones game after that. Waterford have made one or two good signings, but they were very poor last year and it would take a lot more than one or two players to make them a much better side.
Longford are the side to look at this year by all means and Athlone should be there or thereabouts. I just hope to be pleasantly surprised this year by Harps and hopefully push for a top 4 finish, although seems unlikely, it's not impossible given how poor the division is.

[BonnieShels]

Harps will finally get a top-4 finish and STILL be mid-table! Sums ye up doesn't it?

[blue til i die]

Limerick - A cut, nay several cuts, above everyone else. Arguably the best player in every position in the Division and some solid back up to boot. We should absolutely stroll it. We won't.

I think I could probably make some arguments about that but yes, arguably, I guess. Very hard to compare every position when u see opposition 3/4 times a season though.


Waterford - Possibly poorer than last year, but then the division is a hell of a lot poorer than last year. They'll do alright, always seem to have a little bit of extra quality at this level.

Possibly poorer than last year? I wouldn't agree at all. The only concern is a keeper but I dont see us missing the likes of Wilson (barely played) and Kenny Browne (awful last season). Burns didn't have a great season but we need another keeper to go with Hughes. Murray was good but missed most of the end of the season and we had enough cover, with another defender to join soon. Dempsey and Frost coming in are good signings, especially Dempsey, who was simply brilliant last season in the Premier Division.

I don't think you'll dominate as much as your fans seem to be expecting, but we'll wait and see how this joke of a league turns out :D

Longford have a good squad and should finish third behind us :cool: but they'll beat us in the play-off.. :( After that, anything can happen tbh, but it's going to be a season that will seem to go on and on and on.

[BonnieShels]

...and Ariston...

[nigel-harps1954]

Harps will finally get a top-4 finish and STILL be mid-table! Sums ye up doesn't it?

I'm a glass half full sort of person.

[BonnieShels]

Glass half-full of Daisy's finest.

[legendz]

The First Division has been very competitive in recent years. Teams in that league have done ok in the cups and not hindered by being a level down.

[4tothefloor]

You're missing my point entirely. The ironically named LimTilIDie (really?) appears to be saying that he or she doesn't care what club in Limerick plays senior football as long as someone does. I'm saying that this is a very unusual way to look at football, where loyalty to a club and its identity is normally hugely important.

It's important to me as a Waterford Utd supporter that I can trace the club lineage back to 1930, just as its important to Cork City fans to show allegiance to the club lineage from 1984 onwards. We can argue the toss about whether ouir claims are true or not, but we are at least agreed that the issue is important to us. Not so it appears for our Limerick brethren, one of whom has no problem with Galway Devon or whatever they are calling themselves taking over the identity of Galway United, and another two of whom have no problem who plays senior football in their city as long as someone does.

LOI never ceases to amaze me. Even its fans are mad.
What LTID means is that the current club Limerick FC is essentially the same club that has always existed, just a different name. Largely the same people involved, same fans, same colours, same people involved in the supporters clubs, same people involved in working to keep senior soccer afloat etc etc. The only difference really is a different chairman and name on each occasion. You will not find many people, if any at all, that attend Limerick's games who view the current club as something separate to the past incarnations. I've been going to Limerick matches since the late eighties and to me it's the same club.

I think what you mean is that if say, Pike Rovers or Fairview Rangers stepped up and took over as being the senior club in Limerick, would LTID still support them? I doubt he would, and I wouldn't either as neither of those clubs would mean anything to me and in my opinion wouldn't be representative of Limerick.

8 team league is ****e. And not really comfortable with this 'we'll walk the league' attitude. This is Limerick after all. I'll reserve my judgement until series one has been completed, but I do expect us to go up with the squad we have.

[gormacha]

What LTID means is that the current club Limerick FC is essentially the same club that has always existed, just a different name. Largely the same people involved, same fans, same colours, same people involved in the supporters clubs, same people involved in working to keep senior soccer afloat etc etc. The only difference really is a different chairman and name on each occasion. You will not find many people, if any at all, that attend Limerick's games who view the current club as something separate to the past incarnations. I've been going to Limerick matches since the late eighties and to me it's the same club.

Fair enough. LTID's original post didn't read like that to me, but if that was the point being made, then we're actually agreeing, which is a disappointment as I thought we were onto a genuine argument. :)





I think what you mean is that if say, Pike Rovers or Fairview Rangers stepped up and took over as being the senior club in Limerick, would LTID still support them? I doubt he would, and I wouldn't either as neither of those clubs would mean anything to me and in my opinion wouldn't be representative of Limerick.

That was my reading of the original post, yes. A case of crossed wires then. Shame!

Agree with everyone about the eight team league. Dreadful. Ye should win the division by 15 points though. And we should finish second. but I wouldn't bet on either of those outcomes.