FAI Cup semi finals

[El-Pietro]

If you watched Delany as much as I do you would know he has an awful habit of going walkabout in his box. Also Hughes has missed 3 pens this season, are they all as a result of betting scams?? There is no doubt in my mind that the game was not thrown, however they did play absolutely awful and deserved to lose. Again, this is Shels who like to do the unlikeliest things. But carry on with your internet theories. BTW Lee Harvey Oswald may not have shot JFK (just to give you the heads up on that one)...;)
i dont think the penalty Hughes missed against Waterford was intentional, would be pretty impressive if it was. not sure who the other one was against

but scooping the ball over the bar like he did, for someone with his record...

[shellyriver]

What's the estimate for Shels fans at final?

[Shano Mac]

Somewhere between 2,000-3,000 I would imagine

[S.E.P.1990]

but scooping the ball over the bar like he did, for someone with his record...
Is the joys of being a footballer......


i dont think the penalty Hughes missed against Waterford was intentional, would be pretty impressive if it was.
What would be more impressive if Shels managed to tell the Sheriff player to hit a cracking shot from 40 yards into the top corner.

[S.E.P.1990]

Somewhere between 2,000-3,000 I would imagine
Hard to tell, would be hoping for around 4,000 - 5,000 I think.

[El-Pietro]

Is the joys of being a footballer......


What would be more impressive if Shels managed to tell the Sheriff player to hit a cracking shot from 40 yards into the top corner.
you don't think it would be possible for Shels to concede another goal in the time allowed?

do me a favour, watch the highlights again, but this time, take the blinkers off

[S.E.P.1990]

you don't think it would be possible for Shels to concede another goal in the time allowed?

do me a favour, watch the highlights again, but this time, take the blinkers off
Who knows? Can't predict the future of a game. But do me a favour and provide the proof instead of talking out of the side of your mouth.

[El-Pietro]

you are about the only Shels fan I've seen who isn't at least a little suspicious. maybe it is just a coincidence that people were discussing half time shels, full time sheriff on the day of the game and before as if it were fixed and then lo and behold thats what happens

maybe Philly really did just miss hit the penalty that badly, maybe Dean Delaney is that bad of a keeper that hed be that far off his line with the opposition in possession so far up the field, and maybe hes so bad that he was badly positioned for the free and maybe the flapping was not intentional.

Maybe your midfield and defence went completely to sleep in the second half.

I dunno, if it were my team I'd want an investigation and anyone involved kicked out of my club

[S.E.P.1990]

you are about the only Shels fan I've seen who isn't at least a little suspicious. maybe it is just a coincidence that people were discussing half time shels, full time sheriff on the day of the game and before as if it were fixed and then lo and behold thats what happens

maybe Philly really did just miss hit the penalty that badly, maybe Dean Delaney is that bad of a keeper that hed be that far off his line with the opposition in possession so far up the field, and maybe hes so bad that he was badly positioned for the free and maybe the flapping was not intentional.

Maybe your midfield and defence went completely to sleep in the second half.

I dunno, if it were my team I'd want an investigation and anyone involved kicked out of my club

But your starting remark was that shels didn't deserve to win the cup because of what they had done. There was no preamble about investigations or suspicions, you were stating fact despite there being no evidence. Then you take instances in a game which I have attempted to explain from the point of view of someone who watches shels every week.

So people discussed a possible being scenario about a game...what a shock....

BTW if it was found that anything untoward happened then I agree with you but I find it hard to believe that no one has been found out yet if it was so obvious. I also hope that the club has looked into this already and found no evidence of wrongdoing.

Let me give you a scenario: team three nil up, team get one back then keeper lets harmless shot go in. Then its three all and the star striker misses twice from five yards, he then misses a crucial penalty. They lose, hundreds of people put on bets which made them money. Fix? Champions league final 2005?

[Dodge]

But your starting remark was that shels didn't deserve to win the cup because of what they had done. There was no preamble about investigations or suspicions, you were stating fact
his opinion on who deserved what isn't stating FACT. There's no factual definition of 'deserving' anything

What do you care what he thinks anyway, enjoy your cup final...

[bluewhitearmy]

You should give the referee a ring and tell him that Dawson actually isn't great in clear goalscoring opportunities and to rescind the red card.

Clearly i had no problem with the red card just the bit i had in bold.

[CSFShels]

Seriously, reading back, how do people have any issues with the decision? Go to 44 seconds in this video. Rogers hands by his side, 2 seconds later Dawson going by(with the ball completely out of Roger's reach), hands up in the air and out like a mad yoke. Once he makes contact with Dawson then, the referee has an easy decision to make.
http://www.stpatsfc.com/watch_video.php?id=418

[S.E.P.1990]

his opinion on who deserved what isn't stating FACT. There's no factual definition of 'deserving' anything

What do you care what he thinks anyway, enjoy your cup final...

He didn't say in his opinion, he said "after what they have done". That is a statement of fact.

Don't really understand why a cork fan is trying to pee on our bonfire tbh. Anyway I will attempt to enjoy the cup final!!

[Dodge]

Seriously, reading back, how do people have any issues with the decision?

because its not as clear cut as you're making out. The fact people are discussing it at all shows that

And again, Id rather it wwas just left alone

[CSFShels]

because its not as clear cut as you're making out. The fact people are discussing it at all shows that

And again, Id rather it wwas just left alone
I don't understand how it isn't. Once his hands spring out when the ball is already gone, he has no excuses if contact is made. You could possibly say that Dawson went looking for the foul, and maybe he did, but he found the foul. Stupid from Rogers really. At 1-1 from a Dawson goal, 11 v 11 you'd have to fancy Pats to have alot more chance than they did once he'd done it.

[Jofspring]

Just watched it and that is very very very harsh. There is no way in that split second the keeper could have gotten out of the way. He genuinely goes for the ball and as its quickly put to the side of him then the Shels player collides with him. The centre back had it well covered and definitely would have cleared before the Shels player got to shoot or at the very least would have blocked it. Also Dawson doesn't go down easy looking for it nor does Rogers throw out his hands. It was a simple collision that was still covered by another man back.

We have all seen them given for a hell of a lot less too though.

[Charlie Darwin]

That does look harsh. I think if you give a foul you have to give a red card but it's hard to tell if it was a 50/50 ball or if the Shels player had it under control.

[SkStu]

Congrats to Shels - super achievement. Heres hoping you win the cup but dont get promoted.

Commiserations to St. Patricks even though it brought a wry smile to my face. But as a famous Bohs fundraiser once crooned, whats another year.

[marinobohs]

That does look harsh. I think if you give a foul you have to give a red card but it's hard to tell if it was a 50/50 ball or if the Shels player had it under control.

According to the rules as currently enacted you are right CD, ref required to give a red card once he decided it was a foul. Not sure if ref has much/any lee way on this but I believe they should as in such cases a penalty is punishment enough.

Red cards should be for serious/cynical/dangerous fouls with refs making an effort to keep players on the pitch. Caving in to the "off off off" from terraces is not helping the game as a spectacle.

[marinobohs]

Congrats to Shels - super achievement. Heres hoping you win the cup but dont get promoted.

Commiserations to St. Patricks even though it brought a wry smile to my face. But as a famous Bohs fundraiser once crooned, whats another year.

Are you sure you are not on the board at Dalymount SkStu ?:o (although if you were it would more likely be "whats another million"):rolleyes:

[Shelsred]

TBH, I think it was a pretty awful decision.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Seriously, reading back, how do people have any issues with the decision? Go to 44 seconds in this video. Rogers hands by his side, 2 seconds later Dawson going by(with the ball completely out of Roger's reach), hands up in the air and out like a mad yoke. Once he makes contact with Dawson then, the referee has an easy decision to make.
http://www.stpatsfc.com/watch_video.php?id=418

Good to see that everyone on MNS agreed with you.......

[sligored]

debatable penalty - never a red card.

[marinobohs]

debatable penalty - never a red card.

The fact is even if it was a penalty (debatable in my opinion) there is no earthly way it was a red card as there was cover behind the keeper (therefore not last man). Unfortunately ref's seem conditioned now to reach for red card in almost any penalty award, thus often making a bad decision a horrendous one :(. As I said previously, I really think ref's need to pause before making a call, to judge - is this going to benifit the game ?

I do appreciate that they often have limited latitude/independance and if this is what is hindering them it should be raised with the relevent authorities.

[Charlie Darwin]

Cover doesn't matter in that situation - it was a goalscoring opportunity. The only issue is whether it was a foul.

[Dodge]

really think ref's need to pause before making a call, to judge - is this going to benifit the game ?


No, they should just stick to enforcing the rules. Every sending off effects the game. If you leave it open to a referee's judgement on whether the game is affected, players will adapt their fouls to that.

A prime example of that is the 2010 World Cup final. Webb didn't send De Jong off because he didn't want to "ruin the game". In turn, he actually ruined the game as Holland knew they could get away with dirty tactics

If its a bookable offence book him, if its a red card offence, send him off. Don't try and decide what decision would help the game.

Not a foul btw ;)