Tallaght Stadium or Aviva Stadium for Shamrock RVS??

[cob655]

If they get a big draw group where is it expected they will play their games?
And also any chance they will expand their stadium before the games are due to be played on the 15th sept??

[writerbk1969]

I hope Tallaght. The FAI will charge a fortune getting into it and take a nice cut if its Aviva. Tallaght's safe holding is just shy of 6,000 I think - not sure are they allowed temporary seats, suppose this will unfold in coming days

[BonnieShels]

I hope they're able to keep them in Tallaght.

Progression is the key now. Screw gates. It'll make next to no difference.

[Jofspring]

If it was against a big enough team the Aviva would be great. I'm sure Shams would get great support from other LOI fans as well.

What about the RDS even? Would keep it nice and compact but bring up the attendance to an achievable 18,500.

[BonnieShels]

Well think back to us v Deportivo... would Shams fill Lansdowne 2.0?

Let's wait on the draw!

[brendy_éire]

Lansdowne would make sense for the match against the top seeds.
Any idea how much renting Lansdowne costs? The FAI might want to rent it for cheap, but I assume there's set rates agreed with the IRFU.

[thischarmingman]

Tallagh. Always Tallagh.

[Acornvilla]

Think min requirements is 8k seater stadium for group games

[Dodge]

It can't be Tallaght. Tallaght is grade 3, and they need Grade 4 or higher

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/competitions/Regulations/01/62/69/60/1626960_DOWNLOAD.pdf

[legendz]

What are they going to do about contracts? Most contracts end on FAI Cup final weekend in November. EL takes place until mid-December. It's hard to know on venue, Tallaght is supposed to be their home. Maybe against a big team, a so called class A team go with the Aviva.

[brendy_éire]

Would the RDS be a better idea?

[Jofspring]

Would the RDS be a better idea?

Yup thats what I was saying above. Pretty sure the 18,500 capacity is all seater too so should meet the requirements.

[Dodge]

It can't be Tallaght. Tallaght is grade 3, and they need Grade 4 or higher

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/competitions/Regulations/01/62/69/60/1626960_DOWNLOAD.pdf


Oh and here's the regulations
http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/uefaorg/Stadium&Security/01/48/48/85/1484885_DOWNLOAD.pdf

[born2bwild]

Well think back to us v Deportivo... would Shams fill Lansdowne 2.0?

Let's wait on the draw!
Can you imagine if it was Spurs? 'Home' Spurs fans in their tens of thousands.

[bullit]

Can you imagine if it was Spurs? 'Home' Spurs fans in their tens of thousands.
Are you talking about them(spurs) taking a big support from London or from Ireland ??
Have they(spurs :D) got a big fan base here?? I thought that my Da was one of the last of that crowd !! (spurs)

[Colbert Report]

If they draw Spurs and play them first then surely the match has to be at the Aviva Stadium?

[EastTerracer]

If they draw Spurs and play them first then surely the match has to be at the Aviva Stadium?

It's not really that relevant whether they play them first or not (it's the group stage rather than a two-legged tie). Would love to seem them play all the games in Tallaght but if the stadium doesn't meet the UEFA requirements then Lansdowne would be fine by me.

[Colbert Report]

I think it does matter when they play them. Rather play them in matchday one than matchday six, if you know what I mean.

[Mr Maroon]

I hope the matches can be played in Tallaght some how. They wouldn't come close to filling the Aviva.

[culloty82]

Looking at the pots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011-12_Europa_League), Rovers could potentially have a group of Atletico Madrid, Lazio and Stoke, which would possibly require the RDS for all of them.

[paul_oshea]

I hope Tallaght. The FAI will charge a fortune getting into it and take a nice cut if its Aviva. Tallaght's safe holding is just shy of 6,000 I think - not sure are they allowed temporary seats, suppose this will unfold in coming days

Was that pun intended?

[thejollyrodger]

Shamrock Rovers should finish the stadium around both goals and bring the capacity up. It looks like they will get 1 or 2 games big games for the aviva

[outspoken]

I'm a Spurs fan so that would be a dream match for me but i think they'd be better off staying in Tallaght but that doesn't sound possible, I don't like the RDS it's awful run down and any excuse to go to the aviva :)

[outspoken]

Shamrock Rovers should finish the stadium around both goals and bring the capacity up. It looks like they will get 1 or 2 games big games for the aviva

Not up to Rovers in fairness, it would be the councils decision.

[Spudulika]

RDS all the way, but it depends on the draw. A couple of decent sides in there, Russian teams will guarantee 1-1,500 fans (most of them living locally) and you've got Loko and Rubin in there. English sides will add 4-6,000 to a gate.

And look at it from a clever marketing point of view - they'll take care of 6,000 tickets easily from the Rovers side alone, then sell another 6,000 in a block for 3 matches, and the rest will be away fans and walk ups. They will move 18,000 tickets for 3 matches handily. Stay away from the Aviva, or it'll be another Carling Cup if the team start losing!

[sullanefc]

I'm a Spurs fan so that would be a dream match for me but i think they'd be better off staying in Tallaght but that doesn't sound possible, I don't like the RDS it's awful run down and any excuse to go to the aviva :)

I'd be a spurs fan myself, but if they were draw against each other, I think I would probably support Shamrock.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Shamrock Rovers should finish the stadium around both goals and bring the capacity up. It looks like they will get 1 or 2 games big games for the aviva

It's not up them, it's SDCC, I think the tax dodgers have got enough state money and in times of such cutbacks I can think of more worthy recipients of a few million euro.

[El-Pietro]

you are so bitter chucky

[Nugget]

I'd be a spurs fan myself, but if they were draw against each other, I think I would probably support Shamrock.

Yep, I'd be the same way, I'd feel dirty cheering on a foreign side against an Irish one

[TiocfaidhArmani]

you are so bitter chucky

I can't stand them. You think tax payers money should be given to fund a ground they can't fill as it is? There's a major recession on I'd rather see the money go elsewhere.

[Ezeikial]

RDS all the way, but it depends on the draw. A couple of decent sides in there, Russian teams will guarantee 1-1,500 fans (most of them living locally) and you've got Loko and Rubin in there. English sides will add 4-6,000 to a gate.

And look at it from a clever marketing point of view - they'll take care of 6,000 tickets easily from the Rovers side alone, then sell another 6,000 in a block for 3 matches, and the rest will be away fans and walk ups. They will move 18,000 tickets for 3 matches handily. Stay away from the Aviva, or it'll be another Carling Cup if the team start losing!

I suspect that you are right on the mark here. Obviously Rovers will weigh up the costs of all three options (Aviva, RDS and Tallaght with upgrade work) versus the potential returns. The draw will obviously make things clearer, but at this point the RDS is the most likely option from a financial perspective.

[sullanefc]

Yep, I'd be the same way, I'd feel dirty cheering on a foreign side against an Irish one

Good man. If only other Irish people felt the same.

[paul_oshea]

Shamrock Rovers should finish the stadium around both goals and bring the capacity up. It looks like they will get 1 or 2 games big games for the aviva

Its the council that has to do it not Rovers.

[Rasher]

I can't stand them.

Jeez. Who'd have thought?

[El-Pietro]

they are welcome to play it at the Cross if they want it at the best LOI stadium in the country :)

[Park_Lane]

Spurs fan here as well as a Rovers season ticket holder and fan since 1990. Delighted with the draw no question I'll be supporting Rovers over spurs

[Spudulika]

So it's 2 shots at the RDS and PAOK at Tallaght (if they can manage to bring it up to standard). Spurs will fill the RDS, Rubin will get 1-1,500 "away" fans, and played early means the floating fans will turn out. It's a shame our media would generally be quite ignorant of clubs like Rubin or even Paok, Rubin have been outstanding the last few years and it's only since big, big money has come into the hands of well run clubs that they've fallen back. Zenit and Anzhi are going to dominate if they keep at what they're at, but for now, Rovers can shock them (Rubin).

[eekers]

So it's 2 shots at the RDS and PAOK at Tallaght (if they can manage to bring it up to standard). Spurs will fill the RDS, Rubin will get 1-1,500 "away" fans, and played early means the floating fans will turn out. It's a shame our media would generally be quite ignorant of clubs like Rubin or even Paok, Rubin have been outstanding the last few years and it's only since big, big money has come into the hands of well run clubs that they've fallen back. Zenit and Anzhi are going to dominate if they keep at what they're at, but for now, Rovers can shock them (Rubin).

Unfortunately UEFA Europa League rules state

12.10 In principle, from the group stage, a club must play all its matches in the
competition at one and the same ground. Matches may be played either at
the ground of the home club or at another ground in the same or another city
within the territory of its association, or, if so decided by the UEFA
administration and/or the UEFA disciplinary bodies, in the territory of another
UEFA member association for reasons of safety or as a result of a
disciplinary measure. In principle, venues are approved only if direct
international flights and/or charter flights are able to land within an
acceptable distance of the venue, in the country of the club concerned. If the
match is being played in another city or country, the venue is subject to the
approval of the UEFA administration.
So it's one ground for all 3 games.

[Spudulika]

Thanks eekers, I remember my colleagues going through this last year and having to settle on a 2nd division ground if they made the group. So it makes sense to have the RDS for all 3. The big shocker in crowd will be PAOK.

[colonelwest]

Just said it in the other thread but the presenters on Sky Sports News just said games will be in Landsdowne.

[outspoken]

Just said it in the other thread but the presenters on Sky Sports News just said games will be in Landsdowne.

They jumped the gun, apparently a Spurs official was saying it was possible and they took it up wrong anyway I would love Spurs V Rovers in the Aviva but as said above the other 2 games may not be a crowd puller and as you have to play all 3 games there its risky so the RDS sounds like a good option in terms of capacity but unfortunately its a kip.

[Spudulika]

RDS is fine, I've been to a couple of Leinster games last year and it was good. They do it well for team sports.

[Acornvilla]

They jumped the gun, apparently a Spurs official was saying it was possible and they took it up wrong anyway I would love Spurs V Rovers in the Aviva but as said above the other 2 games may not be a crowd puller and as you have to play all 3 games there its risky so the RDS sounds like a good option in terms of capacity but unfortunately its a kip.
Like I mentioned somewhere else, the rovers chairman was on the radio saying they are going to try and expand Tallagh in time to play the games at home, they've already been in contact with uefa and the local council about it

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Like I mentioned somewhere else, the rovers chairman was on the radio saying they are going to try and expand Tallagh in time to play the games at home, they've already been in contact with uefa and the local council about it

I don't see how, in the current financial climate, a council can afford to spend large amounts of money so they can play a few football games in Tallaght.

[Acornvilla]

I don't see how, in the current financial climate, a council can afford to spend large amounts of money so they can play a few football games in Tallaght.

rovers might stump up a large portion of the cash as they would make it back in the gate receipts, didn't sligo get in temp seating for their europa game? Even thou I thought temp seating wasn't allowed

[sparky12345678]

If its in Tallaght at 10-12,000 hopefully it would sell out each time, with the likes of us general LOI fans not getting in (taking a ticket from a die hard rovers fan would be unfair anyways), limited tickets for away fans (ie irish spurs fans) and an intimidating atmosphere created...

If it were in Lansdowne it may sell out for the spurs game but how much at max would be rover fans 20,000 max? The rest would be loi fans might cheer on rovers but wudnt contribute much to the intimadating atmosphere and then spurs fans for the rest....it would probly be detrimental to rovers chances overall....

That said id love to make a massive banner for LOI fans so that the tvs could pick up "SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL CLUB" and/or groups of pats/derry/bohs jerseys etc

[DannyInvincible]

If its in Tallaght at 10-12,000 hopefully it would sell out each time, with the likes of us general LOI fans not getting in (taking a ticket from a die hard rovers fan would be unfair anyways), limited tickets for away fans (ie irish spurs fans) and an intimidating atmosphere created...

I'd imagine there will be a few thousand Spurs fans keen on travelling over from London. Rovers will have to allocate a certain proportion of their tickets to Spurs, as per UEFA regulations, and I can only assume that it will be through Spurs that any Irish Spurs fans hoping to attend will have to get their tickets.

[DannyInvincible]

To be precise, article 14 of the competition's regulations (http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/competitions/Regulations/01/62/69/60/1626960_DOWNLOAD.pdf) states that 5 per cent of tickets must be allocated to the visiting club:


14.08 All clubs in the UEFA club competitions must make at least 5% of the total capacity of their stadium available exclusively to visiting supporters, in a segregated, safe area. In addition, visiting clubs are entitled to purchase up to 200 top-category tickets (unless otherwise agreed between the two clubs in question) for their VIP supporters, sponsors, etc.

[CuanaD]

Talaght with the two temp stands would be great - 10000 real Rovers & LOI fans & keeping the away capacity to a minimum - would be a properly intimidating atmosphere for the visiting teams IMO.

Not really bothered about trying the Aviva TBH, so don't know what the atmosphere could be like there (was fun at the Deportivo game, but that's old school)

RDS is OK main stand lacks something but I like the noise you can get from the big Temp stand, but the burgers are way overpriced(!)

[sparky12345678]

[QUOTE=DannyInvincible;1524749]I'd imagine there will be a few thousand Spurs fans keen on travelling over from London. Rovers will have to allocate a certain proportion of their tickets to Spurs, as per UEFA regulations, [QUOTE]

exactly. 5% of 50,000 = 2,500
5% of 10,000 = 500
With landsdown rovers wont sell 47,500 tickets to die hard rovers fans where is in tallaght theyd sell 9500...that was my point