View Full Version : Tallaght Stadium or Aviva Stadium for Shamrock RVS??
Poor Student
27/08/2011, 2:25 PM
Talaght with the two temp stands would be great - 10000 real Rovers & LOI fans & keeping the away capacity to a minimum - would be a properly intimidating atmosphere for the visiting teams IMO.
I admire the sentiment but realistically I think over the course of 6 matches it's unlikely Rovers will finish in the top two, I think their priority should be to extract as much money from this adventure as they can. There's no point in expanding Tallaght either temporarily or permenently to a size that's far bigger than is generally required.
I admire the sentiment but realistically I think over the course of 6 matches it's unlikely Rovers will finish in the top two, I think their priority should be to extract as much money from this adventure as they can. There's no point in expanding Tallaght either temporarily or permenently to a size that's far bigger than is generally required.
I'd say the opposite. You always have to aim for the stars, if they hadn't they probably wouldn't have gotten this far. They're a football team, they and their fans should be given the circumstances to do the best they possibly can from a football point of view. They'll make enough money off it anyway.
As a fan, I know I'd hate to leave our home for the biggest games we've ever played in. It'd be like cheating! Unless there was no other choice.
Poor Student
27/08/2011, 2:43 PM
I'd say the opposite. You always have to aim for the stars, if they hadn't they probably wouldn't have gotten this far. They're a football team, they and their fans should be given the circumstances to do the best they possibly can from a football point of view. They'll make enough money off it anyway.
As a fan, I know I'd hate to leave our home for the biggest games we've ever played in. It'd be like cheating! Unless there was no other choice.
The four team group format is designed to weed out the smaller teams. It's much more difficult to emerge over better teams through six stand alone games than it is a two legged cup tie. If I were a Rovers fan I'd be hoping to make as large a stack of money as possible so it can be reinvested to bring more opportunities like this in the future. I see the merits or you're point of view but I don't agree it would be like cheating.
Spudulika
27/08/2011, 6:01 PM
Spurs and Rubin will go through, but picking up 5 points and finishing ahead of PAOK will be the aim. Rovers are well capable of it. I have to admit I'm with PS on this, don't overdo the Tallaght thing, go to the RDS, average 12-14,000 per game and it'll be great. Rovers will bring 1/3 of the capacity with their own group, Spurs and LOI fans, and floaters, will fill it for that match. They'll get in excess of 12,000 for Rubin (anyone who wants to watch good football has to go - even if our journos have to rely on Wiki or UEFA for info right now). With PAOK, it could be a bust, they'll struggle to get 10,000 in. Plus the RDS will look good on tv, the visitors will like it, it's accessible, gets more fans in than Tallaght and economically (I can be proved wrong a little on this) it will cost about 75,000e to rent and staff. The Aviva is a multiple of this I believe.
oldfan
27/08/2011, 6:11 PM
I don't see how, in the current financial climate, a council can afford to spend large amounts of money so they can play a few football games in Tallaght.
Absolutely spot on there Tioc.
maksimir
27/08/2011, 7:36 PM
Re: Spurs travelling support. When I lived in England it struck me what a great away following Spurs have - regardless of the opposition, they took 6,000 to a cup match at Leicester a few years back. If the game is at the RDS and they are given an end then they will have no problem selling out 3-4,000 to their English based fans alone. Taking in to account the core Rovers support of 3-4,000 of whom a large percentage will buy tickets for others, then they should sell-out the RDS. I don't know the cost figures for the aviva but i'd imagine with security costs, etc., Rovers would need c.25,000 to make a good aviva profit. The best of luck to them btw.
DannyInvincible
27/08/2011, 8:36 PM
I don't think Lansdowne is an option as all three home games have to be played at the same stadium. Anyone know when we'll hear confirmation on this?
peadar1987
27/08/2011, 9:20 PM
Re: Spurs travelling support. When I lived in England it struck me what a great away following Spurs have - regardless of the opposition, they took 6,000 to a cup match at Leicester a few years back. If the game is at the RDS and they are given an end then they will have no problem selling out 3-4,000 to their English based fans alone. Taking in to account the core Rovers support of 3-4,000 of whom a large percentage will buy tickets for others, then they should sell-out the RDS. I don't know the cost figures for the aviva but i'd imagine with security costs, etc., Rovers would need c.25,000 to make a good aviva profit. The best of luck to them btw.
Spurs will bring a huge crowd. It's a new European destination, a new team, it's close by, and Dublin is seen in England as a very nice city in which to spend a couple of days (similar to how Galway would be viewed in Dublin)
CuanaD
27/08/2011, 9:51 PM
Plus the RDS will look good on tv, the visitors will like it, it's accessible, gets more fans in than Tallaght and economically (I can be proved wrong a little on this) it will cost about 75,000e to rent and staff. The Aviva is a multiple of this I believe.
Is that 75k per game or for 3 games?
To put it another way - that's 5000 adults at €15/ticket - so you have to get in 5001 adults more than you will in tallaght before it is economical to move to RDS.
fionnsci
27/08/2011, 10:15 PM
I'd like to see them play in Tallaght. Gives them as good a chance as possible. Also, it limits the barstooler brigade that might go and cheer against Rovers. The need to have the same ground for all three makes Tallaght likely as well.
In terms of paying rent for the other grounds, sure what's the big deal? Rovers are well used to paying rent ;)
Charlie Darwin
27/08/2011, 11:34 PM
The four team group format is designed to weed out the smaller teams. It's much more difficult to emerge over better teams through six stand alone games than it is a two legged cup tie. If I were a Rovers fan I'd be hoping to make as large a stack of money as possible so it can be reinvested to bring more opportunities like this in the future. I see the merits or you're point of view but I don't agree it would be like cheating.
The way to bring more opportunities like this is to give the team 3 attritional home games against better European opposition so the players are as battle-hardened for the qualifiers next year. That's best achieved by playing the games in Tallaght. It would take the most optimistic Hoops fan in the world to think we have anything other than a slim chance of coming out of the group but what we can do is get experience of playing these types of teams in a hostile home environment. That'll stand the team much better than any circus in the Aviva.
DannyInvincible
28/08/2011, 2:51 AM
UEFA website has the Rubin Kazan game down for Lansdowne: http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2012/matches/round=2000272/match=2007277/index.html
DannyInvincible
28/08/2011, 2:54 AM
I don't know how accurate that is though.
Found this on there as well. Bit of reaction to the draw and a brief interview with Jonathan Roche: http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/video/videoid=1669497.html?autoplay=true
mypost
28/08/2011, 2:58 AM
The four team group format is designed to weed out the smaller teams.
That's what the qualifying games are for.
Every team has earned the right to make it this far, and you get much closer games from now on.
DannyInvincible
28/08/2011, 3:08 AM
Every team has earned the right to make it this far
Not Sion, surely. :p
Spudulika
28/08/2011, 3:23 AM
Is that 75k per game or for 3 games?
To put it another way - that's 5000 adults at €15/ticket - so you have to get in 5001 adults more than you will in tallaght before it is economical to move to RDS.
Per game as far as I remember from a discussion with Leinster folk. Though this can be reduced for goodwill, though the risk of crowd violence would preclude it. However when you consider it's site AND personnel, it's not so bad. Because there is another factor to add to the Tallaght scenario - cost of installing temporary seats, extra staffing and insurance. Itmight end up being more economical to go to the RDS after all.
Straightstory
28/08/2011, 8:44 AM
Hope it's Tallaght.
Having been to the RDS for a couple of Cup Finals and an international, I'm always left with the impression it's the kind of stadium that can be packed up in a box afterwards and taken away to be assembled somewhere else.
Knoert
28/08/2011, 9:27 AM
Think the RDS would be the best option, three games have to be played at the same stadium and the Aviva is way too big for matches against PAOK and Kazan.
Tallaght is too small, Rovers can gain much more money playing in a bigger stadium.
galwayhoop
28/08/2011, 1:33 PM
Think the RDS would be the best option, three games have to be played at the same stadium and the Aviva is way too big for matches against PAOK and Kazan.
Tallaght is too small, Rovers can gain much more money playing in a bigger stadium.
Why not sell the tickets as a package of 3, say €35 for the 3 games and go to Aviva, it'd be reasonable enough to attract the Spurs 'fans' to just buy the package?
Buller
28/08/2011, 2:18 PM
We're gonna try to keep it at home as a reward to the fans. RDS is definately a non-runner. It's a shame we cant have the Spurs match in Aviva and then the other 2 in Tallaght but Uefa rules prevent this.
Ideal scenario would be to keep all games at home in Tallaght if we were allowed temp seating to boost the capacity to 12,000.
sullanefc
28/08/2011, 2:45 PM
Was at the RDS for the cup final against Longford. It's a hole. Keep it in Tallaght, or else cash in on the spurs game at the aviva. Only problem with that is that Shamrock could be out of contention at that stage, spurs will play a second xi and the crowd get be less than expected
Acornvilla
28/08/2011, 3:53 PM
Was at the RDS for the cup final against Longford. It's a hole. Keep it in Tallaght, or else cash in on the spurs game at the aviva. Only problem with that is that Shamrock could be out of contention at that stage, spurs will play a second xi and the crowd get be less than expected
Yeah remember the few thousand of both Cork and longford supporters stuck out in the bloody wind and rain, it was ahorrible place to be if the weathers bad
passinginterest
28/08/2011, 5:08 PM
If it has to go to the Aviva then the tickets should be sold as a package, €50ish for the three games should mean at least 20-30 thousand sales, between curiosity to see the first ever group stage game for an Irish team against Kazan and the obvious draw of Spurs. It's probably the only way they can be sure of not making a loss. Hopefully some way can be found to keep it in Tallaght and accommodate as many as possible there.
nigel-harps1954
28/08/2011, 6:43 PM
If it has to go to the Aviva then the tickets should be sold as a package, €50ish for the three games should mean at least 20-30 thousand sales, between curiosity to see the first ever group stage game for an Irish team against Kazan and the obvious draw of Spurs. It's probably the only way they can be sure of not making a loss. Hopefully some way can be found to keep it in Tallaght and accommodate as many as possible there.
Hold on, €50 for 3 games? Dunno about you guys but I wouldn't bother my hole with prices like that.
I agree with the package idea in the Aviva, a package of €30 for 3 games, or €15 per game would be excellent affordable rates for any LOI fan to go with in the current recession.
The fact you'll only get 20,000 in the Aviva though for each game maximum is a real bummer for the club and the league itself. A bad reflection by all accounts.
If at all possible I'd love to see them play the games in Tallaght. If only for the atmosphere and whatever possible chance of an upset, its worth it in my opinion.
Club's more hopeful today than yesterday that the games can take place in Tallaght.
mypost
28/08/2011, 8:04 PM
Hold on, €50 for 3 games? Dunno about you guys but I wouldn't bother my hole with prices like that.
I agree with the package idea in the Aviva, a package of €30 for 3 games, or €15 per game would be excellent affordable rates for any LOI fan to go with in the current recession.
Normal admission prices are 15, that would be 45 for all games, so 30 for 3 games is not going to happen. Given the standard price, and the increased operating costs, 50-60 for 3 games is a fair price.
Maybe Rovers or SDCC can get a special grant like Connacht did: http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2011/0828/connacht.html
TiocfaidhArmani
29/08/2011, 8:13 AM
Normal admission prices are 15, that would be 45 for all games, so 30 for 3 games is not going to happen. Given the standard price, and the increased operating costs, 50-60 for 3 games is a fair price.
€600k to rent the Aviva for three games and folk want rock botom prices! Should be €20 a game. It's top flight football in a nice arena, €20 is not asking much and feck it Spurs should be €30.
Spudulika
29/08/2011, 8:19 AM
It would be great to keep it in Tallaght (I'd still favour the RDS option) and knowing Rovers they might just do something completely out of the ordinary and make a minimal profit for long term gain. They'll make the money back away from ticket prices, but the best thing is that we don't have any nudged airheads claiming it should take place in Croker or in Anfield!
Straightstory
29/08/2011, 9:45 AM
Tallaght, especially if the capacity can be increased, is the best option. UEFA seem to exist, though, to keep the big clubs happy and put as many obstacles as they can in the way of smaller clubs. The rule that all three home games have to be played in the same stadium is just daft.
fionnsci
29/08/2011, 9:55 AM
Sure they should just play all their games away!
RDS has had the Grandstand covered by the way since that cup final so it has plenty more covered seats than Tallaght.
All in all though, Tallaght is the choice by a mile.
mypost
29/08/2011, 11:21 AM
Tallaght, especially if the capacity can be increased, is the best option. UEFA seem to exist, though, to keep the big clubs happy and put as many obstacles as they can in the way of smaller clubs. The rule that all three home games have to be played in the same stadium is just daft.
If UEFA wanted to keep the big clubs happy, we (and other clubs) would have never got in the UEFA Cup, let alone the group phase, after our CL involvement.
The stadium rule is there to prevent certain teams getting an unfair advantage over others. Kind of what's happening the Ireland game in Andorra atm.
I don't want any games in Lansdowne, bar the cup final. We exist to be a competitive team, not to brush barstoolers ego.
cob655
29/08/2011, 2:13 PM
If UEFA wanted to keep the big clubs happy, we (and other clubs) would have never got in the UEFA Cup, let alone the group phase, after our CL involvement.
The stadium rule is there to prevent certain teams getting an unfair advantage over others. Kind of what's happening the Ireland game in Andorra atm.
I don't want any games in Lansdowne, bar the cup final. We exist to be a competitive team, not to brush barstoolers ego.
I think the Aviva is the best option,We want the general public to what an irish team playing at a good standard in the best soccer stadium in the country in a packed out Aviva stadium(spurs) to really get people out and support their LOI teams when they can see what can be achieved in our league.And what the potential is within our league if proper investment is made.Ill be hoping to get to all 3 games is its in the Aviva.
Also i thought the idea was to get as many barstoolers involved as possible for financial reasons and to try and convert as many as possible.
Id be willing to pay €40 for the spurs game and €20/€25 for the other two.Its group stage european football for good sake,not Shamrock rvs V UCD....
TiocfaidhArmani
29/08/2011, 2:22 PM
If it has to go to the Aviva then the tickets should be sold as a package, €50ish for the three games should mean at least 20-30 thousand sales, between curiosity to see the first ever group stage game for an Irish team against Kazan and the obvious draw of Spurs. It's probably the only way they can be sure of not making a loss. Hopefully some way can be found to keep it in Tallaght and accommodate as many as possible there.
That's €17 a game approx and with 25,000 average that just generates €425k. With €200k rent being mentioned and then security/stewarding costs etc that leave nothing. Any other bright ideas?
Hold on, €50 for 3 games? Dunno about you guys but I wouldn't bother my hole with prices like that.
I agree with the package idea in the Aviva, a package of €30 for 3 games, or €15 per game would be excellent affordable rates for any LOI fan to go with in the current recession.
Get real, they need to make something they're not a charity. €30 for Spurs and €20 for the others is reasonable. It's €15 for a LOI game, why should this be cheaper?
passinginterest
29/08/2011, 2:40 PM
That's €17 a game approx and with 25,000 average that just generates €425k. With €200k rent being mentioned and then security/stewarding costs etc that leave nothing. Any other bright ideas?
Breaking even wouldn't be too bad considering the potential to make a loss if they get the pricing slightly wrong. They'll make far more from the set fees from UEFA and from merchandising that they'll ever make from ticket sales anyway. If the games are in Tallaght and temporary seating is erected it's likely they'll make a loss on ticket sales taking into account the cost of temporary seating.
ltfc_2004
29/08/2011, 2:44 PM
I think the Aviva and a 3 match European ticket for €70 should entice enough people into the Aviva to make a profit for Rovers and I imagine Spurs will bring a decent amount of supporters over to help make that game close to 40,000 to a sell out. I imagine the Guards would rather have the spurs fans in the Aviva as well.
Loads of people in work have been asking how they will get tickets for the games already so I imagine there will be interest from non LOI fans.
placid casual
29/08/2011, 3:11 PM
It amazes me how so few people on here actually “get“ what Rovers are about,particularly in regard to the Euroa league adventure.
Rovers are not viewing this like an opportunity thats fallen into their laps and they must do everything to maximise earning potentials while it lasts.
Its about getting the best situation that enables the team to get positive results against the 3 teams.
Scrambles for tickets are not important to Rovers,as long as the Rovers fans (5-6000) are catered for.
Just watch us on tv3\3e. Simples.
fionnsci
30/08/2011, 11:39 AM
Here, the poll doesn't make sense, they need to play all games at the same ground.
Longfordian
30/08/2011, 2:20 PM
TV3 reckon Rovers have been denied permission to play the games in Tallaght by UEFA.
pineapple stu
30/08/2011, 2:23 PM
Here, the poll doesn't make sense, they need to play all games at the same ground.
Would have been set up before that rule was known. Don't know if it's possible to change it now.
TV3 reckon Rovers have been denied permission to play the games in Tallaght by UEFA.
That's a shame, although Dodge posted earlier that it wasn't a high enough category ground, and it's probably a lot of work to upgrade a category in such short time (I didn't read through the technical info). I think Tallaght'd be the best option for hosting the games - keep it in the club - but if they have to play all games in the one ground, the RDS looks the obvious choice. Even if it is colliding with the egg-chasing, pitch-churning season.
Longfordian
30/08/2011, 2:49 PM
It seems they'll have to play in the Aviva as that was the venue nominated before the play off round. They may be able to use Tallaght in future but UEFA haven't time to inspect and pass Tallaght it seems.
peadar1987
30/08/2011, 3:19 PM
Would have been set up before that rule was known. Don't know if it's possible to change it now.
That's a shame, although Dodge posted earlier that it wasn't a high enough category ground, and it's probably a lot of work to upgrade a category in such short time (I didn't read through the technical info). I think Tallaght'd be the best option for hosting the games - keep it in the club - but if they have to play all games in the one ground, the RDS looks the obvious choice. Even if it is colliding with the egg-chasing, pitch-churning season.
In before the Sligo fans:
That will suit that bunch of nackers hoofing the ball over the floodlights and hoping it deflects in off Twigg's backside. Did you hear that they're not even the real Rovers?
No decision yet according to SRFC on Twitter.
legendz
30/08/2011, 3:32 PM
TV3 reckon Rovers have been denied permission to play the games in Tallaght by UEFA.
I wouldn't bother listening to TV3. They have no interest in Irish football at all.
outspoken
30/08/2011, 4:09 PM
Read today it would cost Rovers 150,000 to bring Tallaght up to 10-12,000 with temporary seating if allowed by UEFA
nigel-harps1954
30/08/2011, 4:17 PM
Get real, they need to make something they're not a charity. €30 for Spurs and €20 for the others is reasonable. It's €15 for a LOI game, why should this be cheaper?
Get real. It's a recession man. Breaking even is exactly what they need to aim for here. I suggested a package to entise people to go to all the games. Of course 15 euro a game still should stand. If you want to fill the Aviva, going for 20 or 25 quid a ticket is not an option.
I believe a cheap enough package to just try and fill the place should be looked at first rather than trying to make millions off this.
In the long term looking to break even now is the best option rather than immediate riches.
MagicMon
30/08/2011, 4:21 PM
Does anyone know what the story is about getting tickets for the game in London? Europa League group games don't normally sell out but I can't see anything on the Spurs website on how to get European tickets on general sale.
Longfordian
30/08/2011, 4:40 PM
I wouldn't bother listening to TV3. They have no interest in Irish football at all.
I wouldn't usually but I just thought as they're going to be covering the games they may have been informed. It seems they jumped the gun anyhow. A decision will be made tomorrow.
Charlie Darwin
30/08/2011, 4:45 PM
Get real. It's a recession man. Breaking even is exactly what they need to aim for here. I suggested a package to entise people to go to all the games. Of course 15 euro a game still should stand. If you want to fill the Aviva, going for 20 or 25 quid a ticket is not an option.
I believe a cheap enough package to just try and fill the place should be looked at first rather than trying to make millions off this.
In the long term looking to break even now is the best option rather than immediate riches.
The games aren't going to fill Aviva anyway so it's a moot point. The only one that would probably sell out is Spurs and it would be insane to offer the tickets at such a low price.
Read today it would cost Rovers 150,000 to bring Tallaght up to 10-12,000 with temporary seating if allowed by UEFA
I'd rather spend more to keep Tallaght in place than go to the Aviva. I don't think Tallaght will be allowed though - time constraints for one for diligence etc.
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