Summary of clubs in difficulty at the moment

[Spudulika]

Thanks for the clarification on the UEFA licences, while I don't want to begrudge Pats a spot in Europe, I also don't want to see Bohs go out on a technicality, though it worked for Dundalk last year and I couldn't complain. No club is ever safe and I wonder how any club would get on with the removal of a backer, if UCD lost the taxpayers they'd be in real trouble. Fingal sound like they're going to be alright, thankfully. A question on Galway, how much are they really in debt? I was told they're carrying in excess of half a millin euros but read here a million. So what's the real figure.

[Lim till i die]

I thought his Limerick team a few years ago were poor. Scully has done miles better.

The one that beat ye 5-1 and killed off your promotion hopes?? They were playing excellent football towards the end of that season in fairness

Also Scully has had many many multiples of his budget to work with I'd imagine. Having said that you give Mike a few bob and there's always every chance he'll spend it on nonsense.

Don't get me wrong I'm no big Mike Kerley fan, well aware of some of his fairly obvious flaws, I just thought worst manager of all time was a bit strong. :)

[bluemovie]

He was Dolan's assistant at Cork too wasn't he?

No. That was the other Limerick manager Noel O'Connor who's now at Wexford. The link to this thread may be tenuous, but if Athlone want their attendances to increase, their fans deserve better than Brendan Place and Mike Kerley. Kerley says his teams play good football, but we never had the ball when he was in charge so we didn't play football of any kind.

[John83]

No club is ever safe and I wonder how any club would get on with the removal of a backer, if UCD lost the taxpayers they'd be in real trouble.
Yeah, it'd be terrible. We wouldn't have the money to enter a team into the intervarsities, and my years of completely ignoring the Collingwood Cup would come to a middle.

[Longfordian]

I think the trust is a totally separate entity from the Club and the running of it.

Yeah it's different people than are involved in the running of the club. They have no plans to get involved day to day, they don't need the hassle. As regards the numbers there's a fair few that signed up that don't even go to matches but would have goodwill towards the club. Even John Delaney is a member!

[bluemovie]

The one that beat ye 5-1 and killed off your promotion hopes??

I thought Scully had taken over by then. My mistake. One of my favourite memories of Magic Mike is him sending out Paul Ometeso and Andy Polewczak to take on Kevin Hunt and Gareth Farrelly in midfield in Dalymount. Lambs, slaughter.

[Ezeikial]

Bohs
Biggest question?
What happens if Bohs don’t get premier license? They be in first division with huge contracts and without the six figure sums raised by fans? Are Bohs effectively blackmailing the league. License must be an issue for them, otherwise why mention it?


A big question to my mind is the exact link between paying (or agreeing) outstanding money to players and the licensing requirements. There must be a cut-off date.




Dodge, not 100% certain (nobody is at Dalymount :confused:) but think the following is where we are at - Some of the funds raised went to pay players for November (players were originally told they could/would not be paid once season ended).

Could it be that the payment of players to end November is significant in that it complies with licensing requirements cut-off (i.e. footballing debts incurred after 30 Nov not relevent for 2012 licensing)?


Unless deal done with all players then we cant apply for a licence so there would be less (no ?) urgency in doing any deal with players at all. As has been said elsewhere an element of brinkmanship between the parties (club and players) which may run all the way to end January. Not a chance members/fans could raise enough to complete deal with players so if loan deal does not work they are not getting paid (our next fixture would be the courts)
Outside of 3/4 players that resign on reduced terms I dont think we will have any budget for next season.
Apart from reaching agreement with the players I am unaware of anything stopping us getting a licence.


Has there been any clarification from Bohs as to whether a license has been applied for or not?

Suerly there could well be a myriad of reasons why license may not be granted - SCP, late/no license application, lack of sustainability of 2012 club budget, perceived inability to meet 2012 commitments, absense of tax clearance certification etc etc

[SkStu]

any questions about the other teams at all Ezekial or just obsessed with Bohs?

Anyway,


A big question to my mind is the exact link between paying (or agreeing) outstanding money to players and the licensing requirements. There must be a cut-off date.

Of course theres a cut off date. From my recollections of the Cork occasion, I believe it is early February. I also believe the ILC granted extensions to Cork after the official deadline.


Could it be that the payment of players to end November is significant in that it complies with licensing requirements cut-off (i.e. footballing debts incurred after 30 Nov not relevent for 2012 licensing)?

I presume you meant 2011 licensing. I think that Nov 30th signifies the end of one season of the 2 season contracts with the players in question as it was the date that we released all our free agents. I could be wrong but i know that one of the pre-conditions for the first step of applying for a license was payment in full of players up to November 30th. Im almost sure we would have to be fully up to date and/or have reached a settlement with those players still in contract to be successful in our application.


Has there been any clarification from Bohs as to whether a license has been applied for or not?

yes. There have been numerous press releases from Bohs that mentioned our appication for a 2011 license.


Suerly there could well be a myriad of reasons why license may not be granted - SCP, late/no license application, lack of sustainability of 2012 club budget, perceived inability to meet 2012 commitments, absense of tax clearance certification etc etc

of course there are (not that your list is necessarily any or all of those reasons). What MB was saying is that if we can settle with the players then that is the biggest stumbling block for Bohemians as far as licensing goes.

[The Lep]

I thought i read somewhere at the end of november/start of December from the Fai saying that they couldnt do anything to Bohs regarding Licence as up to that deadline Bohs had been in order. Possible come the next deadline Bohs will have paid up and will get a Premier licence and get down to business for the new season. The last i heard was that Fenlon was talking to a few potential new players so he must know something that we dont.

[BonnieShels]

I thought i read somewhere at the end of november/start of December from the Fai saying that they couldnt do anything to Bohs regarding Licence as up to that deadline Bohs had been in order. Possible come the next deadline Bohs will have paid up and will get a Premier licence and get down to business for the new season. The last i heard was that Fenlon was talking to a few potential new players so he must know something that we dont.

That sounds like the "F" word.

Also someone asked about us at Tolka, We're there for the forseeable- Unless someone else from the club can confirm?

[Martinho II]

No idea about Athlone, but apparently we made a profit of €4k last year, and I heard that the Trust have reduced the debt significantly. Martinho would be the man to ask though.
without going into details( otherwise I would be breaking data protection) I have being involved with the trust a year or so. they have made some significant progress in clearing off the historic debt of the club.. roughly two thirds of the creditors have being settled.. the trust have no day to day involvement with the club and contains individuals who have no ties with the club whatsover. the only reason I am involved is that I am the supporters club representative( supervisory role). once the debt is tackled the next step would be towards capital project financing. the chairman of the trust for instance is a respected public representative.

[Spudulika]

That sounds like the "F" word.

Also someone asked about us at Tolka, We're there for the forseeable- Unless someone else from the club can confirm?

Odd question, but what's the foreseeable future? I'd thought it was 1 or 2 more years?

[marinobohs]

A big question to my mind is the exact link between paying (or agreeing) outstanding money to players and the licensing requirements. There must be a cut-off date. As I understand it, date for agreement is final date for licencing application, end January





Could it be that the payment of players to end November is significant in that it complies with licensing requirements cut-off (i.e. footballing debts incurred after 30 Nov not relevent for 2012 licensing)? Payment made following negotiations with PFAI, obviously suited both parties




Has there been any clarification from Bohs as to whether a license has been applied for or not? Yes, Preliminary application was lodged (this was stated by the club publicly before Christmas)

Suerly there could well be a myriad of reasons why license may not be granted - SCP, late/no license application, lack of sustainability of 2012 club budget, perceived inability to meet 2012 commitments, absense of tax clearance certification etc etc same rules/regulations that apply to all applicants, my point is that to the best of my knowledge we have no concerns apart from the monies owed to players and I have not heard anyone suggest otherwise.

[charliesboots]

Just on Sporting Fingal's "nothing to see here" troubles, does anybody know how much rent they'll be paying for Dalymount and if they were paying any at Morton Stadium.

Also, is Dalymount within Fingal Co Co or Dublin City Council?

[Dodge]

Dalymount is most definitely within Dublin City Council's area.

[D.24saint]

Dalymount is most definitely within Dublin City Council's area.

remember the ad the council did about three teams in Dublin City,Pats-Bohs-Shels.

[eelmonster]

Dalymount is most definitely within Dublin City Council's area.

I demand (on behalf of the tax payers in the County of ancient Fingal) they change their name to Sporting Finglas.

[The Lep]

I'll put the word in for you.

[The Lep]

Just on Sporting Fingal's "nothing to see here" troubles, does anybody know how much rent they'll be paying for Dalymount and if they were paying any at Morton Stadium.

Also, is Dalymount within Fingal Co Co or Dublin City Council?

Yes, they were paying to rent Morton as its owned by Athletics Ireland.

[eelmonster]

I'll put the word in for you.

Sporting Finglas, or Sporting Dublin City Council Administrative Area (Supported by Fingal County Council) FC/SDCCAA(SBFCC) FC. Cheers.

[The Lep]

Bored much? :)

[BonnieShels]

Seemingly we haven't been officially confirmed as playing in Tolka! Now I thought that that was a foregone conclusion since last years scare, but apparently not.

On the plus side we're mentioned in a new McDonalds ad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X6t3EklZC8

[Spudulika]

Thanks Bonnieshels, I think it's probably a formality, I was just wondering what was happening with the lease. Pretty soon it could be BohSpoFinShe FC playing out of Dalymount :-)

[BonnieShels]

Not from what I read yesterday. Will be talking to someone from the club later so i'll ask then.

[Schumi]

I demand (on behalf of the tax payers in the County of ancient Fingal) they change their name to Sporting Finglas.

I'm just going to call them Dublin City.

[The Lep]

Great, i cant wait for the new season to start and our opener against Hogwarts.

[Red Army]

Four pages of waffle. Nice summary girls.

[horton]

Its a message board, every thread can probably be summarised in a paragraph instead of pages and pages of waffle! What did ye really expect?!

[redobit]

Its a message board, every thread can probably be summarised in a paragraph instead of pages and pages of waffle! What did ye really expect?!

pancakes, not a waffle fan.