Padraig Amond

[tetsujin1979]

From the preview of tomorrow's game away to Maritimo on Pacos de Ferreira's website: http://www.fcpf.pt/catalogo_noticias.php?ID=2076

As estreias de Padraig Amond e Nelson Oliveira são a nota de maior destaque nos convocados pacenses, fustigados por algumas lesões de atletas do meio-campo.
Inscritos sobre a data limite do período de transferências, os avançados Amond e Nélson Oliveira mereceram já a confiança de Rui Vitória para o compromisso da 4ª jornada da Liga Sagres. Para a deslocação à Madeira, o treinador pacense não vai poder contar com os lesionados André Leão, Manuel José, Carlos Renan e Filipe Anunciação, o que debilita sobretudo o sector intermédio da equipa.
As novidades prendem-se ainda com o regresso ao lote de eleitos do central Javier Cohene e do g.r. António Filipe, sendo preteridos, por opção, em relação à partida com o Portimonense, Coelho e Lucas.
Maykon continua em fase de recuperação e ainda não é opção para jogar. A equipa parte este sábado de manhã para o Funchal, realizando à tarde (16h) um treino no Centro Desportivo da Ribeira Brava.
and plugging into Google Translate:

The premiere of Padraig Amond and Nelson Oliveira are the most prominent note in Badajoz convened, buffeted by a few injuries of athletes in midfield.
Subscribers on the date of the transfer period, the advanced Amond and Nelson Oliveira has earned the trust of Rui Victory to the commitment of the 4th round of the Premier League. To travel to Madeira, the coach Badajoz will not be able to count the injured Andre Leon, José Manuel, Carlos Renan and Philip Annunciation, which undermines the sector mainly through the team.
The novelties concern even with the return to the lot of the elected central Javier Antonio gr Cohen and Philip, being unsuccessful, by choice, for the match with the Portimonense, Cole and Luke.
Maykon still in recovery phase and not yet an option to play. The team party this Saturday morning to Funchal, performing in the afternoon (16h) a workout at the Sports Centre of Ribeira Brava.

[ped_ped]

Any live stream of this game online?

[mark12345]

Best of luck to the lad. I wish more Irish kids would go play in Portugal.

[dong]

How come he's only featuring in the Ireland forum now? He was top scorer in the LoI and never got a mention in terms of the senior Irish team. What has changed only that he has joined a Portugese team? Does that make him somehow more of a player??

:messed:

[Crosby87]

Portugal has a league?

[tetsujin1979]

How come he's only featuring in the Ireland forum now? He was top scorer in the LoI and never got a mention in terms of the senior Irish team. What has changed only that he has joined a Portugese team? Does that make him somehow more of a player??

:messed:
because games in the Portuguese league are not discussed in the League of Ireland section

[sligoman]

How come he's only featuring in the Ireland forum now?Don't know why he's even featuring now...he's not good enough to play international.

[Colbert Report]

How come he's only featuring in the Ireland forum now? He was top scorer in the LoI and never got a mention in terms of the senior Irish team. What has changed only that he has joined a Portugese team? Does that make him somehow more of a player??

:messed:

Yes, it does. The LoI is an amateur league. The Portugese league is a fully professional league. LoI players will never start at the international level until they move to foreign countries. FACT.

[ped_ped]

Yes, it does. The LoI is an amateur league. The Portugese league is a fully professional league. LoI players will never start at the international level until they move to foreign countries. FACT.

And you are clearly an idiot.

So if Lionel Messi decided to play for Bohs, then Pádraig Amond would be better than him? Interesting logic.

Amond's been in Portugal about a fortnight, if even. He is no more an international standard player now than he was at Sligo. He DOES, however, have more of a chance of being picked. But that's just small-mindedness by Trappatoni.

[Colbert Report]

No, you are clearly the idiot here. Why would Messi decide to play for Bohs?

[SkStu]

give it up lads ffs.

[ped_ped]

Hypothetically, Colbert Report. Anyway don't let my unrealistic example stop you from answering my question :)

A player becomes 'more of a player' when he moves to a bigger club, on bigger money? Surely it's the other way 'round? A player earns a move to a bigger club, on bigger money when he becomes 'more of a player,' no?

Or are you actually saying that Pádraig Amond is a far better player than he was two weeks ago?

[geysir]

A player becomes 'more of a player' when he moves to a bigger club, on bigger money? Surely it's the other way 'round? A player earns a move to a bigger club, on bigger money when he becomes 'more of a player,' no?

Or are you actually saying that Pádraig Amond is a far better player than he was two weeks ago?

Regardless of what CR writes about the LOI. A player leaving the LOI to play in a foreign league comes into the radar of this section.
Because there is a thread on him or because we discuss him here does not carry any special meaning as to his talents or his development since leaving the LOI.
That is the way of things here. Players who are in the LOI are discussed in the LOI section.

[SkStu]

im just glad someone had the sense to delete Colberts post.

Lets not turn this into a LOI debate. The performances of numerous players since leaving the domestic league has dispelled the myth for once and for all that the League has no quality. Let this thread focus on Amonds career in Portugal, a really interesting move.

[ped_ped]

Regardless of what CR writes about the LOI. A player leaving the LOI to play in a foreign league comes into the radar of this section.
Because there is a thread on him or because we discuss him here does not carry any special meaning as to his talents or his development since leaving the LOI.
That is the way of things here. Players who are in the LOI are discussed in the LOI section.

I agree, and wasn't challenging that point or complaining that he only has a thread now, just challenging what Colbert Report said.

Anyway, moving on, was Amond in the Pacos squad today? I know he didn't start but thats about it.

[Colbert Report]

My post was deleted and I received an infraction for writing my opinion on the issue at hand. The question was asked about whether this guy was a better player because he had moved to a fully professional league. Why is writing my opinion that the LoI is an inferior league full of inferior players worthy of an infraction? It is my honest opinion.

[tetsujin1979]

I agree, and wasn't challenging that point or complaining that he only has a thread now, just challenging what Colbert Report said.

Anyway, moving on, was Amond in the Pacos squad today? I know he didn't start but thats about it.
unused sub - http://uk.soccerway.com/matches/2010/09/12/portugal/portuguese-liga-/maritimo-funchal/pacos-ferreira/960188/

[Charlie Darwin]

Probably because your honest opinion suggested that he'd become an infinitely better player as the result of a plane trip and a couple of training sessions with his new club.

If anybody's interested, the game ended 1-1 and Amond didn't make it on the pitch, possibly because his team's goalkeeper was sent off before the hour mark.

http://www.soccerway.com/matches/2010/09/12/portugal/portuguese-liga-/maritimo-funchal/pacos-ferreira/960188/

[dong]

My point really is that is shows the warped, yes warped, view we have of our own league that the minute he goes to a fairly mediocre Portugese team where he may not even get a game he is considered worthy of starting a thread about in the context of the ireland's senior squad. Bizarre.
I'd agree with Sligoman that he most likely won't make it as an international striker as, despite his top quality finishing ,he hasn't got the pace or physicality for modern top level football in my opinion.
I'll know when to eat my words when I see a plethora of posters on here waxing lyrical about how they remember him well from going to the showgrounds.....:rolleyes:

[Charlie Darwin]

This forum isn't necessarily about current/future national team players, just Irish players abroad.

[osarusan]

Let's not let this thread be derailed. Amond will hopefully at some point feature for Ireland if he proves himself up to the task.

And that's the big issue which, in my opinion, a lot of posters miss. One way a player needs to be judged is by the quality of the players they are proving themselves superior to / capable against.

There have been a few times when the cry of "What about Keith Fahey/Kevin Doyle? Did he magically improve overnight?" The answer is probably no. The improvement in his ability over a few months would be marginal. But what the transfer allows the Irish management to see is how he fares against a better quality of opposition. Just because a player can bang in goals / command midfield in the LOI doesn't mean he can do it at the top level. It doesn't mean that he can't either, the fact is that we just don't know. As a player moves up, we get a fuller picture of how good they really are. This will happen with Amond also.

[tetsujin1979]

he is considered worthy of starting a thread about in the context of the ireland's senior squad. Bizarre.
nobody mentioned the senior team

[Dunny]

So,

Did Amond play tonight?

[Noelys Guitar]

He was a sub but did not get any playing time. His team drew 1-1 away from home.

[pauliek]

Amond wont play for Ireland, he'll be back with Shams/Pats soon enough. This thread should be in world football

[tetsujin1979]

we don't discuss Irish players in World Football

[Charlie Darwin]

Amond wont play for Ireland, he'll be back with Shams/Pats soon enough. This thread should be in world football
I don't think you quite understand how this works. Or much else...

[tetsujin1979]

Amond wont play for Ireland, he'll be back with Shams/Pats soon enough. This thread should be in world football
reminds me of this

He'll never get an Irish cap, he'll make a handful of poor sub appearances for Birmingham before vanishing into obscurity for a while, perhaps being loaned out to fill the bench for some first division scottish side the following season before returning to the LOI when his contract expires.

That's my prediction.how did that prediction work out again?

[theworm2345]

Amond on the bench to start today
http://www.rr.pt/bolabranca_detalhe.aspx?fid=73&did=120741

Would be nice to see him make a breakthrough, we need a third striker who can actually do something (until Connolly and the Clint regain their form at least :))

Amond has come on (stream)
http://cigatvcanala.blogspot.com/

[ifk101]

Amond eyes Trap

http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/4350/

[Colbert Report]

Amond's own words:

“It’s everyone’s dream to play international senior football. I’m not going to kid myself, it’s going to be a really tough task. No disrespect to the Irish league, but there’s noone going to get picked up from the Irish team. Keith Fahey had to move before he got a cap and ‘Fats’ was probably the best player in the league for a few years – and he deserved a cap even when he was in the Irish league.

“Trapattoni said a while ago the league isn’t good enough to just jump into international football, so I know I’m not going to jump straight in, if I do eventually get a couple of caps it’d be a dream come true. I’ve always wanted to play with Ireland no matter what level."

[irishfan86]

Amond is quoting Trap when he says the league isn't good enough, so those are not his own words.

He also says that Fahey deserved to be capped while playing in the LoI. It looks to me as if Amond is realistic about the situation (Trap doesn't look to cap LoI players until they prove themselves at a higher level) without fully endorsing the idea.

[Charlie Darwin]

I don't know, he seems to make it pretty clear that he's going to need to continue improving as a player before he even comes into contention.

[SkStu]

maybe he has that opinion of himself CD but at the same time he says that that is not necessary for everyone - e.g. Fahey. Obviously Crowe and Jason Byrne were good enough recently also. Kevin Doyle and Shane Long became good enough very quickly.

People saying that nobody in the league could possibly be good enough to play international football while in the league is kidding themselves. Its not that black and white. Trying to make it out as a black and white issue, as certain posters here do, does them no favours in terms of their credibility. Similarly, posters who claim that the League is brilliant do their credibility no favours either.

[Charlie Darwin]

Well Byrne at least had proven himself against European opposition (but ultimately wasn't good enough). Fahey had too but he still needed to adapt his game when he moved to a superior league (Premier League - he seemed to slot into the Championship without compromising his style much).

I do think there are players in the LOI capable of making the step up but they need to prove they can by playing a higher standard of opposition than we have here. Amond could have done so had Sligo gone on a decent Europa run next season, but realistically moving to a higher league was the only way he was going to prove himself and improve as a player. I really hope it works out for him.

[rebelmusic]

Do i smell another LOI debate...should have it's own forum

[Charlie Darwin]

Doing a bit of googling, it seems he got a knock on his knee in training on Tuesday but was back in light training today. A bit of a doubt for the weekend, you'd think.

Also Pacos blog here (http://bit.ly/bL3nJ7) - commenters seem impressed by him.

[AlaskaFox]

Came on yesterday against Beira-Mar in the 78th minute yesterday.

[gustavo]

They're playing Benfica in Lisbon next week hopefully he gets a run out

[osarusan]

Where can I find a site for Pacos Ferreira's results and teamsheets so I can see if Amond plays, and for how long?

[ifk101]

Where can I find a site for Pacos Ferreira's results and teamsheets so I can see if Amond plays, and for how long?

http://www.transfermarkt.de/en/padraig-amond/leistungsdaten/spieler_68333.html

[tetsujin1979]

I've been tracking his appearances on Irish Abroad since he moved to Portugal: http://irish-abroad.appspot.com/PlayerDetails?playerID=55195

[AlaskaFox]

Scored his first goal tonight in the cup. (Thanks to Greenscene again - in the comments of the continental post - http://greenscene.me/2010/11/continental-irish-10-november-update/ )

[tetsujin1979]

Interview with Amond on portugoal.net: http://www.portugoal.net/index.php/more-pacos-de-ferreira-news/18722-padraig-amond-an-irishman-in-portugal

[Charlie Darwin]

You can see his goal here:

http://videos.sapo.pt/z60gr63uqZUHiNSM1PSa

[tetsujin1979]

apparently, congratulations are in order: http://www.joe.ie/women/claire-tully/claire-versus-the-mammys-and-their-spoilt-offspring-007260-1

Regular readers of this column will know my husband-to-be has recently flown the nest and is living in Portugal on his own while I am home doing a few bits and pieces.

[Eirambler]

apparently, congratulations are in order: http://www.joe.ie/women/claire-tully/claire-versus-the-mammys-and-their-spoilt-offspring-007260-1

Or not...

http://www.claire-tully.com/blog/

[gastric]

Good article about Padraig in today's Indo.


http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/amonds-portugoal-2465708.html

[tetsujin1979]

He has a twitter account too: http://twitter.com/#!/padraigamond21

[irishfan86]

Thanks for the link Gastric. I'm going to check out his match today against FC Porto, it's streaming on bet365.