Jason Byrne [Archive] - Page 3

Soper

30/07/2006, 12:28 PM

The evidence backs up claims that he should be in the squad, and should be getting an adaquate amount of gametime.If you look back in this thread, most of the barstoolers are saying that players from EL shouldn't be considered until clubs are consistantly getting through at least the 1st round in Europe.Clubs are now.Also, Byrne played very well against Chile, considering it was his first 'proper' go at it.

pete

30/07/2006, 1:25 PM

Elliot will permanently be injured so the debate is who is the 4th best forward Ireland has after Keane, Doyle, Morrison.

Candidates:
- Alan Lee
- Jason Byrne
- ??????

DmanDmythDledge

30/07/2006, 1:27 PM

Rooney if he has a good season.

Is Marlon King still eligible for us btw?

Soper

30/07/2006, 1:34 PM

Alan Lee is useless, I was at near enough every Cardiff match when he was here, and he was just, I don't know, constantly poor.Byrne is also better than Trundle.

Irish_Praha

30/07/2006, 1:35 PM

Is Marlon King still eligible for us btw?

No he declared for Jamaica

Irish_Praha

30/07/2006, 1:37 PM

Maybe Shange Long could come into the mix if he gets a few more games for Reading this season.

pete

30/07/2006, 2:36 PM

Maybe Shange Long could come into the mix if he gets a few more games for Reading this season.

He is only a kid & will unlikely see much action being 5th choice striker.

Irish_Praha

30/07/2006, 3:15 PM

He is only a kid & will unlikely see much action being 5th choice striker.

Well I did use the words maybe, could and if; in a 19 word sentence :D I was just throwing his name in there as he hadn't been mentioned already.

However, if Coppel does the same as last season and prioritises the league ahead of the cups then he sould get a few starts in the FA or League Cup and if he does well there, there's the possibility of a few sub appearances in the league. I'm not sure if he is 4th or 5th choice as I don't know if Ki-Hyeon will be deployed in MF or as a striker. It's a long season and any of Kitson, Doyle and Lita could get a long term injury and with the limited transfer window it may not be possible to bring in a replacement straight away. Also if there are injuries to MF players Ki-Hyeon or Lita might have to play there. Kitson's injury early last season is what gave Doyle his chance after all. You are right though he his still only a young lad and although I expect him to make some progress this season it probably won't be enough to see him break into the full international squad. Maybe he might be there or there abouts for the last few games of the qualification campaign or for the start of the next one. Jayo would deffo be ahead of him at the moment.

Colbert Report

30/07/2006, 4:52 PM

I'll be honest, I'm not a big fan of having players from the EL in the international squad. No disrespect to the EL but even the most ardent supporters of the league would admit that the fitness level just isn't at the same level as it is in England. That said you should have four strikers in the squad and if one of Keane, Morrison, Doyle or Elliott are unavailable then Jason Byrne should be the next choice to be in the squad. Doherty has shown time and again that he's not a striker, and he's getting well on in years now anyway.

Soper

30/07/2006, 5:03 PM

Do you actually have a clue about EL football?If you did, then you would know that the fitness levels are very good, specifically in the last week when two Irish sides thoroughly layed into two very good teams, at the same time looking far fitter in the process.

It just infuriates me that every time a domestically based player excells, people who haven't the best interests of Irish football at heart lay down new criteria that they think the player should have to meet.Where does it end?

CraftyToePoke

30/07/2006, 7:16 PM

i suspect this guy is on a wind up mission, either that or a complete buffoon.

so vega007, going on what you have recently posted in a neighbouring thread, you feel no players not born or raised in ireland should play for ireland, and yet you dont want any el players in the reckoning? mighty strange:rolleyes:

and this idiotic take is based on fittness levels, despite many el players now being full-time players, and therefore i think its fair to assume, pretty fit. were you aware of that?

and Gary Doherty is 26.in his prime.:rolleyes:

you are as good a case as ive seen in a while for everyone NOT being automatically entitled to an opinion.:D

gustavo

30/07/2006, 7:21 PM

In fairness Gary Doherty looked like a 40 year old back in the U-18 Euro days :)
But yea I dont think Doherty should ever be up front for us again . Supposedly he done really well for Norwich at CB last season

CraftyToePoke

30/07/2006, 7:29 PM

for sure he shouldnt appear up front for us ever again, and did do well for his club at C.B. in the latter half of last season, but ruling him out through his age displays only the how little vega007 actually knows about his subject.

the Docs age could well be all he does have going for him:)

mypost

31/07/2006, 2:26 AM

the debate is who is the 4th best forward Ireland has after Keane, Doyle, Morrison.

Candidates:
- Alan Lee
- Jason Byrne
- ??????

Is Clinton Morrison better than Jason Byrne? :confused: Kevin Doyle is already a better player than Morrison, and he's only played one season in England, and only played twice for Ireland!!

Stuttgart88

31/07/2006, 7:16 AM

How would Clinton Morrisson or even the perpetually maligned Wavey Davy Connolly do in the eL? Extremely well I'd guess.

But that's not the point as far as I can see it. Relative fitness of the el vs England isn't the point either.

The point is that we should have FIVE forwards in the squad. Regardless of how you'd rank them I'd say most accept that Keane, Doyle, Elliott & Morrisson are the top four. Each is of similar build and athletic ability. But who is there as the "Doherty option" ? Excluding Doherty as he's just not good enough the only real options are Byrne, Lee and maybe, if he starts to get a regular game, Daryl Murphy. At the moment Byrne is the man in possession. He's done nothing to lose his place and his "competition" has done nothing to earn theirs. It also appears that Elliott's fitness can't be guaranteed for consistent stretches.

It'd be extremely harsh to drop Byrne particularly after having given a good account of himself agaist Chile. I have to be honest though and say that when I've looked for Byrne to do well against good European opposition he's snatched at quite a few of his chances and could have done better. I'd hope that even his strongest supporters would agree with me. It's not a terminal failing, just fair criticism.

Also, Martin Jol has played Robbie withdrawn, behind Defoe & Berbatov, in all Spurs' preseason games since Robbie returned from a neck injury. By all accounts he's been playing very well & all three seem to relish their roles. It's not stretching it to think that deploying Robbie in a similar role for Ireland is an option, even if only as a temporary strategy if a game's circumstances warrant it, and this copperfastens the need for five forwards in my opinion.

On Morrisson: yes, he's limited but I'd still be inclined to pick him for Stutggart unless club form or the Dutch game suggests otherwise. Morrisson for 55 minutes & Doyle for 35mins in Stuttgart makes sense to me.

Reality Bites

31/07/2006, 7:34 AM

Morrison is a very poor player, he lacks pace, touch, guile, invention, his offside display away to the faroes was embarassing...But sadly that is the state of play. Morrison and Doherty in all their awfulness still remain options upfront for us:eek:

CuanaD

31/07/2006, 9:53 AM

Regardless of how you'd rank them I'd say most accept that Keane, Doyle, Elliott & Morrisson are the top four.

No, I'd say most accept that Keane is 1 & possibly Doyle is 2, after that there will be little agreement. Personally I'd put Jason Byrne at 3 (possibly 2, not quite sure whether Doyle is really better - he certainly wasn't scoring more goals in the same league, but he has age on his side) and the rest a very distant 4th,5th,etc.

shakermaker1982

31/07/2006, 10:08 AM

Doherty is hopeless. Hate to have to slag off the fella but I'd probably have a better chance of scoring than he does.

Morrison is getting a bit of stick on here but he has never let us down. His hunger and running often puts some of the other lads to shame.

Ok Clinton is no Shevchenko but he can do a job for us and make a good impact sub. Doyle seems to have leapfrogged him in the pecking order so it's unlikely Clinton will start against the Dutch and Germans but if called upon I'm sure he'll make an impression.

Byrne impressed me when he made his debut, won a lot of headers and if we need a target man for the last 10 minutes I'd prefer to see him run on over Doherty.

drinkfeckarse

31/07/2006, 11:24 AM

Byrne impressed me when he made his debut, won a lot of headers and if we need a target man for the last 10 minutes I'd prefer to see him run on over Doherty.

He hardly got a touch on his debut, he did ok in his 2nd game though ;)

Dodge

31/07/2006, 11:56 AM

Is Clinton Morrison better than Jason Byrne? :confused: Kevin Doyle is already a better player than Morrison, and he's only played one season in England, and only played twice for Ireland!!
Clinton morrison is miles better than Jason Byrne.

I'd agree with most of Stuttgart's post.

pete

31/07/2006, 12:28 PM

Clinton morrison is miles better than Jason Byrne.

Morrison is indeed better than Byrne but that doesn't make Morrisson very good either. Lets face it there a drought of decent irish forwards. Saying all that Byrne is entitled to take this 5th choice forward role as there is no one else.

Stuttgart88

31/07/2006, 12:49 PM

Personally I hope we stick with playing Robbie as a striker, and not in a withdrawn role, as I don't see much goal threat in our squad other than him.

I know Dr. Peepee & others have disagreed with me on this point but against Switzerland when we needed a goal late on, Kerr took Robbie off. Personally I'd have brought on Elliott to partner Morrisson and left Robbie just in behind them. That way we'd have had 3 forwards on the pitch & a goal would have been more likely. It's not impossible that a similar re-jig may be required in future. Robbie'd be even harder to mark.

Anyway, by all accounts Robbie's form so far has been brilliant, setting up goals, forcing savers & hitting the woodwork. But, as you suggest, he has two very good forwards ahead of him at Spurs to interact with. We don't have that luxury at the moment unless Doyle & Elliott step up to the plate.

Soper

31/07/2006, 12:51 PM

Morrisson is better than Byrne.However, what we don't have is a striker that can offer what Byrne can in terms of being a 'target' man.Byrne is better than Alan Lee & Gary Doherty.Daryl Murphy is not yet good enough, and in my opinion will not be.

Also, in the last campaign, we had many chances to score through set pieces and so forth.However we had no one with the physical prescence to execute these chances.

So it's Keane, then Doyle or Morrison, the either or both Elliott and Byrne.I think 5 strikers should be in the squad.

However none of this matters as I seem to remember reading on this forum that Bobby Robson said Byrne would never be part of the squad again:rolleyes:

geysir

31/07/2006, 1:26 PM

However none of this matters as I seem to remember reading on this forum that Bobby Robson said Byrne would never be part of the squad again:rolleyes:
Could have been just the grumblings of a disgruntled poster worse for wear spreading unsubstantiated rumours late in the evening (that thread was locked 5 seconds later).
What I remember Bobby being quoted as saying was that Jason could improve his fitness levels.

Dr. Ogba

31/07/2006, 1:33 PM

Problem is, playing in this withdrawn role, Keane has yet to score a single goal in pre-season. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he is dropped at the beginning of the season or soon after, unless he starts scoring soon. Being too versatile is not necessarily a good thing as you end up being played out of postion. Personally I hope we stick with playing Robbie as a striker, and not in a withdrawn role, as I don't see much goal threat in our squad other than him.

I would be very very surprised if this happened... Keane was by far and away Spurs best striker last season and as well as scoring goals his all-round play was superb. Also hasn't he been captaining in Ledley King's absence???

CraftyToePoke

31/07/2006, 2:19 PM

Also, Martin Jol has played Robbie withdrawn, behind Defoe & Berbatov, in all Spurs' preseason games since Robbie returned from a neck injury. By all accounts he's been playing very well & all three seem to relish their roles. It's not stretching it to think that deploying Robbie in a similar role for Ireland is an option, even if only as a temporary strategy

now i know its unlikely but, what if Macken at palace were to deliver a decent season, say, managing about one in 3 and having 10+ by Christmas in all comps, and in the process forging an understanding with Morrisson(who i beileve will start v holland and, barring a mare, also the germans).

would he then not come into the reckoning, even as a last 20mins player if we are chasing it, next to Morrisson with Keane tucked in behind the 2 of them?

given the much of a muchness between many of our lads compteing for the back-up striking spots, i dont think we can completely rule him out if he's doing ok.

Stuttgart88

31/07/2006, 2:29 PM

Well, you say yourself it's unlikely! I wouldn't rule anyone out but I think the fifth forward role should be for someone who offers something different & at the moment Byrne's the man in possession. It's up to him to lose it or someone else to earn it. If Macken can earn it then good luck to him. I think the same applies to Alan Lee & Daryl Murphy. I also think Trundle could be considered and maybe even Andy Keogh or Adam Rooney in time. Maybe Stan is already planning on including young Dixon. Who knows? Maybe Stan'll go for 4 forwards bearing in mind he may think of Duff or Andy Reid as back-up options.

But you're right in saying that nobody can be "completely ruled out" if they're playing well enough - we have very few resources - but in Macken's case I just don't see it happening. I'd prefer to see Trundle given a shot than Macken.

Stuttgart88

31/07/2006, 2:50 PM

How do eL fans rate Stephen Ward? Potential to become a full international?

I thought he was good for our U21s.

Dodge

31/07/2006, 2:53 PM

Not IMO. Lacks a fair bit. Wouldn't rank him in the top 10 strikers in the league and for someone who's looking to play international football within a couple of years you'd want him to stand out more. Bohs fans I know rate him highly though

CraftyToePoke

31/07/2006, 2:57 PM

yes Byrne is the man in posession, and rightly so as present, but wont his season end in mid-winter?

and the 'something different' being sought by this, and indeed, our prevoius manager, up front, is a bit of height and target man presence,as the game on the islands isnt technically proficient enough to play without one.

this is why somewhat limited (in international terms) guys like Byrne, Macken, Doherty and Lee have been selected, as we miss the big guy to hit.and i believe IF mr. Macken were to begin well, he would come back into the fold quicker than many people think, for this reason.

Qwerty

31/07/2006, 10:48 PM

I would expect Lee to return to the squad as soon as he is fit and provided he is getting his game at Ipswich. I would be shocked ( pleasantly ) if Jason Byrne played in any qualifying game bar the against a minnow side.

JC_GUFC

12/01/2007, 9:07 AM

Any thoughts?

He should be a regular in the Ireland squad anyway if the move goes through.

youngirish

12/01/2007, 9:09 AM

Any thoughts?

He should be a regular in the Ireland squad anyway if the move goes through.

Don't ever stick a posting like this in the Ireland thread. Pete and Gustavo will have a fit.

Just buzzin but they will.

Donal81

12/01/2007, 9:19 AM

Any thoughts?

He should be a regular in the Ireland squad anyway if the move goes through.

That sounds like the thoughts of a signed up member of the ole ole brigade...No discussion allowed of Irish players who play for Eircom League sides in the international section, even if they are moving to a club in another country.
;)

eirebhoy

12/01/2007, 11:16 AM

Any thoughts?

He should be a regular in the Ireland squad anyway if the move goes through.
Keep the sarcasm to the Ward thread if you wish.

gustavo

12/01/2007, 11:29 AM

It is relevant here though as he has been in the squad in the last year and there have been threads about him here before. It certainly cant do his chances any harm especially if he starts banging them in . Although isnt he only over there for a week though on trial.

eirebhoy

12/01/2007, 11:49 AM

It is relevant here though
Perfectly relevant but that's not the reason JC_GUFC posted it. :) This will be one of the most interesting EL in a long time if it goes through. If he goes on to get about 20 goals next season then it'll do much more to EL prices than Doyle's transfer did.

OwlsFan

15/01/2007, 4:38 PM

Shelbourne has confirmed that striker Jason Byrne is to move to Cardiff City for an undisclosed sum.

Dublin-born Byrne, a cousin of Tottenham and Republic of Ireland international forward Robbie Keane, has scored over 100 goals in the last four Eircom League seasons.

Byrne (28) played for Bray Wanderers before joining Shelbourne for whom he scored 30 league and cup goals in 2005, including five in the Champions League.

In a brief statement released this afternoon, Shelbourne said that Byrne, who recently had a week's trial at Ninian Park, was joining the championship club subject to passing a medical examination.

"We wish to thank Jason for the many great moments he gave us over the last number of years and wish him every success in the future," the club said.

Byrne, who has two senior international caps to his name, joins former West Ham goalkeeper David Forde at Cardiff, after he signed a two-year-deal from Derry City at the start of the year.

Cardiff currently lie in 8th place in the Coca-Cola Championship.

The news comes as a serious blow to Shelbourne who have lost a number of high-profile players recently. The Eircom League club must also resume their search for a successor to Pat Fenlon after Pete Mahon told the board of UCD that he has turned down a chance to take over the reins at Tolka Park.

� 2007 ireland.com

Lim till i die

15/01/2007, 4:40 PM

He signs for an English club and straghtaway gets his own thread in the Ireland forum

You people are beyond pathetic :rolleyes: :p :D

OwlsFan

15/01/2007, 4:42 PM

I am sure the people in Cardiff will be delighted to know that you think they're English :p .

Actually, I should have posted in the JASON BYRNE thread and apologies for that

Lim till i die

15/01/2007, 4:44 PM

I am sure the people in Cardiff will be delighted to know that you think they're English :p .

They don't scare me :D

eirebhoy

15/01/2007, 5:32 PM

He signs for an English club and straghtaway gets his own thread in the Ireland forum

You people are beyond pathetic :rolleyes: :D
That better be sarcasm. ;)

This is the big move for the EL. If he's as successful in division 1 as Doyle then fee's for EL will increase a lot.

JC_GUFC

15/01/2007, 7:24 PM

Why does he have to "prove himself" in the Championship.

If Cardiff are prepared to sign a 28-year old from the "part-time league" in Ireland then they clearly do think he's good enough. As I said before as long as the Irish public and media keep on putting down the league here English clubs will keep on paying pitiful transfer fees.

Unfortunately as it is a majority of the general public in this country would choose sitting in a pub watching conference football rather than going to an eL game.