Paul Green

[tetsujin1979]

Is the U21 calendar clear in October? If so I'd like McCarthy in the squad as part of his integration.
From uefa.com: http://www.uefa.com/under21/standings/round=2000006/group=2000009/index.html
the last qualifier in the U21 championship is on Tuesday night away to Turkey. If we win, and Armenia lose to Georgia, then we'll come off the bottom of the group.

This doesn't mean there are no U21 games in October, just no qualifiers

[Junior]

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that McCarthy will not be in the squad VS Russia, it's not the ideal game for a 19 year old to make his senior competitive debut. Barring injuries and suspensions, it'll be two from Whelan, Andrews and Green

You writing off Gibson then as an option?

[Closed Account 2]

On current Irish form I would pick Green, Gibson has more potential tho, and is one of our few players who can score a goal out of nothing with those long range shots of his

Pretty sure Whelan and maybe Lawrence can score from distance too. Especially Whelan, I think this could be a massive factor against the Russians, we might have a bit more space 25-30 yards from goal (more than we might expect) and I've seen Akinfeev make the odd howler when faced with a swerving shot from distance (look up the Azeri game in Baku from the WC2010 qualifications). Incidently Malafeev, the keeper at Zenit, is even worse and is the main reason why Auxerre (not Zenit) are in the CL group stage. Gabulov, who looks the spitting image of the Emperor from the film Gladiator, is the best Russian keeper followed by Ryzhikov but neither have profile of the 'feevs.

[Morbo]

You writing off Gibson then as an option?
I would, he has done nothing to warrant a 1st team place, I'd have him behind Whelan, Andrews, Fahey and maybe Green in the pecking order.

[tetsujin1979]

You writing off Gibson then as an option?
meant the starting central midfielder will be two from those three. I don't see Gibson as a starting option against Russia.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Gibson's sound, despite his club! And better than Green who's looked out of his depth in the competitive games, albeit playing in a different position.

The main problem with central midfield is the continued use of people with virtually zero creativity.....regardless of club.

[Noelys Guitar]

A better Glen Whelan (who has been excellent for us), Keith Andrews (also excellent for us) or Paul Green(OK) would suffice. Somebody who can do the jobs of those mentioned but with more skill/ability to pick out a killer pass. Not many of them around with any international teams. And at this time I don't believe Gibson is the answer. I would love to see McCarthy or Wilson step up. Possibly Coleman moving into midfield. But for me the player most likely to step up is David Meyler. It is a tragedy that he got such a serious injury. He was excellent for Sunderland in his last few games before injury. He was keeping Cattermole (who Bruce had just bought for a lot of money)out of the side at the time. Lets hope when he comes back there are no lingering worries as this guy has a lot of the Roy Keane/Ronnie Whelan/Houghton(ability wise) about him.

[TrapAPony]

Scored today in a 5-0 win against 10 man Crystal Palace

[theworm2345]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/d/derby_county/9326949.stm

[SkStu]

Scored today in a 5-0 win against 10 man Crystal Palace

was it supposed to be a through ball?

[Kingdom]

Wow, scathing from Clough.

[Closed Account 2]

"You've either got it or you go back to League Two or Poland or wherever you're from. We can't afford to have nights like this."

I dunno what to make of that Poland comment by Clough ? Is it some sort of did at Tomasz Cywka ?? Classic lazy Mike Basset-esque English manager attitude - the likes of him and Allardyce are so f**king ignorant - as if Derby County (or any Nigel Clough team) would compete in the Ekstraklasa, the likes of Lech Pozan, Legia, Wisla would smash Derby. I'd ignore all quotes this this little rat says about Paul Green or any other player.

[Jicked]

While I'm no fan of Paul Green that is pathetic stuff from Clough, telling the fans exactly what they want to hear and make a scapegoat out of individuals to take the pressure off the manager after a disgraceful loss. Spineless stuff.

[EalingGreen]

"You've either got it or you go back to League Two or Poland or wherever you're from. We can't afford to have nights like this."

I dunno what to make of that Poland comment by Clough ? Is it some sort of did at Tomasz Cywka ?? Classic lazy Mike Basset-esque English manager attitude - the likes of him and Allardyce are so f**king ignorant - as if Derby County (or any Nigel Clough team) would compete in the Ekstraklasa, the likes of Lech Pozan, Legia, Wisla would smash Derby. I'd ignore all quotes this this little rat says about Paul Green or any other player.It may be that Clough Jr. is ignorant/prejudiced about Polish football (I've no idea, myself).
And you may be correct about Lech, Legia and Wisla etc "smashing" Derby County.

But in Clough's defence, he could point out that Cywka has never actually played for any of those clubs (or similar).

It's a bit like someone defending eg a Scottish player at Pride Park, on the basis that Celtic, Rangers, Hearts etc might "smash" Derby, when the player in question had only previously played for Falkirk, Hamilton, Cowdenbeath etc.

Also I'd guess that Cwyka may be on far better wages at Derby than he could earn back home in Poland (even at a top club?), so if Clough fought Cwyka's corner to get him a permanent contract at Derby, and the player now doesn't appear to be trying, then it would be understandable if he (Clough) was angry.

Anyhow on a more general note, I've always thought that coming out and publicly slagging named players is the "nuclear option" for a manager i.e. if the threat doesn't work, then he (manager) will be fired before the "missiles" (players) are.

[cornflakes]

"You've either got it or you go back to League Two or Poland or wherever you're from. We can't afford to have nights like this."

Maybe Clough should go back to the Conference

[magicman]

I see Green is linked as a replacement for Charlie Adam today. I know its only in the Mirror but wouldnt it be great to have one of our central midfielders starting in the Premier League

[theworm2345]

Green just came off after 50 minutes, went straight down the tunnel. Didn't look obviously injury but the commentator thought he was.

[Noelys Guitar]

Green just came off after 50 minutes, went straight down the tunnel. Didn't look obviously injury but the commentator thought he was.

How was he playing?

[theworm2345]

How was he playing?
Don't know, turned it on at half time and the commentator didn't say much about him...wasn't going to wake up an hour earlier to watch Paul Green ;) He was replaced by Conor Doyle who, besides putting in the corner that led to Derby's second goal, has been anonymous aside from a few misplaced passes in crucial areas.

[Noelys Guitar]

Don't know, turned it on at half time and the commentator didn't say much about him...wasn't going to wake up an hour earlier to watch Paul Green ;) He was replaced by Conor Doyle who, besides putting in the corner that led to Derby's second goal, has been anonymous aside from a few misplaced passes in crucial areas.

Can't blame you for that decision.

[Fergie's Son]

Don't know, turned it on at half time and the commentator didn't say much about him...wasn't going to wake up an hour earlier to watch Paul Green ;) He was replaced by Conor Doyle who, besides putting in the corner that led to Derby's second goal, has been anonymous aside from a few misplaced passes in crucial areas.


I can't get Fox Soccer Plus on Comcast. Very annoying.

[Noelys Guitar]

Suffering from a virus but should be OK for selection on Monday.

[TrapAPony]

Suffering from a virus but should be OK for selection on Monday.

Whelan, McCarthy, Gibson, Andrews & Fahey are the midfielders I'd choose. Wilson is there too but will probably be included as a defender. Green shouldn't be picked.

[theworm2345]

I can't get Fox Soccer Plus on Comcast. Very annoying.
I was watching online anyway, otherwise I could have had the game on DVR ;)

[Closed Account]

Aren't we all agreed that Paul got a game because he called up the FAI and told them he was eligible, he won't get another game. He couldn't hold on to a ball of glue.

[geysir]

Green was selected on his humble merits because our available choices at CM are at a mediocre to average standard at this Intl level.
Neither Fahey (less so) nor Gibson (more so) have impressed with doing some of the vital required basics at CM. Whelan was dreadful in the Russia game, he has improved but is still way off the standard. Andrews hasn't showed at all this season.
Slovakia playing poorly (on an off day for them), were far from being overawed by our CM after Green was replaced. Norway played through and around our midfield with ease when they had to.

[Fixer82]

In fairness to Green he did impress in the Summer internationals and was better than Whelan in Slovakia game until he had to come off

[AlaskaFox]

Green was better against Russia too. Marginally, but at least he tried to get the ball back unlike Whelan.

[TrapAPony]

He is not good enough for the Irish squad. Apart from a goal against Algeria, Green has been a liability. One could not be confident with him in midfield.

[Supreme feet]

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/sport/Blow-Green-faces-lengthy-time/article-3414446-detail/article.html

Out for 6-9 months. Obviously a terrible blow for him, and I wish him all the best for his recovery. I can't help but feel (like in Martin Rowlands' case) that's the end of his international career now; he was incredibly lucky to get into the Irish squad in the first place, and with a gaggle of friendlies coming up, other, younger players will now get their chance.

There's a weird symmetry here; Green took David Meyler's place in the initial squad last May when Meyler suffered his cruciate injury; it looks like the reverse might happen this May.

[SwanVsDalton]

Unlucky. Hope he can recover and kick his career on. I'm not a big fan, but never good to see.

[jbyrne]

terrible news for him. i know some / most dont really rate him but he was decent against uruguay and he is better for us than gibson and not too far behind whelan imo

[Stuttgart88]

Bad news for him and I hope he makes a great recovery, but in the cold light of day I'd be more worried if other players were injured.

[Closed Account]

http://www.twtd.co.uk/news.php?storyid=19877
Linked with a move to Ipswich.

Green and Andrews in midfield :salivate: :eek:

[jbyrne]

http://www.twtd.co.uk/news.php?storyid=19877
Linked with a move to Ipswich.

Green and Andrews in midfield :salivate: :eek:

andrews rumoured to be a wigan target in this transfer window

[gustavo]

Guess who's back ? :)

[BonnieShels]

Shady

[Carrigaline]

With Clark crocked, I suppose it's not like we are overwhelmed with options?

[SwanVsDalton]

Same thinking. I'd like to think Clark would get called up if he wasn't involved. And with Lawrence injured, and seemingly out of the frame, made sense to have a look at midfield cover.

If he forced his way into the squad ahead of Whelan, Andrews, Gibson, Fahey or McCarthy - well, that'd be a different kettle of rage...

[Sullivinho]

Guess who's back ? :)

Tenacious...clumsy...occasionally horrifies viewers.


It can only be Jason Voorhees.

[theworm2345]

Just got skinned on the flank by Lloyd Dyer for Leicester's opener early in the match. Will be interesting to see how he deals with Dyer's pace from now on.

[DeLorean]

I think this guy gets totally undeserved critisism from the Irish supporters. For example, people suggesting that he was only drafted into the squad to lessen the impact of McClean's inclusion. He started our first couple of qualifiers, hardly a surprise then that he managed to get back into the squad when he receovered fully from his injury. It's like as if we've got ideas about our station all of a sudden in relation to Championship players. I have a friend from Derby, who is a season ticket holder, and they have huge time for "Greeny" over there. They were desperate to keep him during the January transfer window when Ipswich, Southampton and Celtic were all showing a big interest. I like Andrews but don't think Whelan offers any more than Green, if I'm honest I think he offers less. I'm not a huge fan or anything but I don't think he's anywhere near as rubbish as most people seem to think. He's done okay for Ireland, no more or less than that, in a role which would be largely unfamiliar to him as he is more of a box to box midfielder at Derby. I'd have liked James McCarthy to have got game time the other night as well, but it seems pretty obvious he is going to have to bide his time for another while. McCarthy, himself, isn't exactly getting the positive write ups which were fairly regular a year ago.

[Stuttgart88]

He was way off the pace at home to Russia which is what has planted grave doubts in people's minds. He was much better away to Slovakia. He lost the ball quite a bit but won the ball high up the pitch quite a bit too.

I'd like to Gibson and Andrews tried together in our 4-4-2, and in general I think any 3 from Whelan, Andrews, Gibson, McCarthy, Fahey and Green would make a good 3 in 4-3-1-2 / 4-3-3 / 4-5-1.

In a 4-2-3-1 I'd have Whelan and Gibson as the 2 and Andrews between the wide players.

[DeLorean]

Our midfield has been outplayed by far worse teams than Russia with the Whelan & Andrews/Gibson partnership. We were also out-numbered in midfield that night. Being out-numbered by a team who have already got superior technical ability was a serious receipe for disaster. I agree with your assessments of those performances by Green though, that's why I said he hasn't done any more or less than okay. I think a lot of things have gone against him in people's minds, some automatic... that Russia game, losing the ball in dangerous areas, being a Championship player, dare I mention his ginger hair and skinny frame? I'd like to see Gibson playing well for Everton over a more substantial period of time before being considered again.

[ifk101]

The central midfielders are restricted by what Trapattoni allows them to do. Glenn Whelan is an automatic starter for Trapattoni precisely for the reason that he does what he is told to do. If the central midfield were given more creative licence and allowed to play, Whelan and Andrews could have a greater influence on games. But this is not the Trapattoni way. Paul Green fits into the Trapattoni system because the expectations you'd normally place on an international footballer (ie an ability to control and pass the ball) are not required to play central midfield for Trapattoni. Rather central midfielders sit in their positions, break-up play if it comes in their "zones" and that's pretty much it. What we seek do creatively as a team consists of launching it from the back and hoping for the best or scoring from a set piece. If you think about it, our play uses 7 players. Full backs and central midfielders basically just hold position. Top teams in the world are looking to be more mobile, we're looking to be more rigid and static.

[geysir]

Maybe it's a sign of just how dysfunctional we were or signs of squad strength or both, but most every substitution made a difference. Unprecedented that both first choice forwards were subbed and their replacements improved the situation.

[ifk101]

Every substitution was made after the Czechs scored.

[geysir]

Well, I suppose that 'incidental' factor can be included :)

[DeLorean]

Glenn Whelan is an automatic starter for Trapattoni precisely for the reason that he does what he is told to do

Accepted but he doesn't do any more for Stoke in my opinion. That said, Tony Pulis may give him similar instructions.

[the bear]

Our midfield has been outplayed by far worse teams than Russia with the Whelan & Andrews/Gibson partnership. We were also out-numbered in midfield that night. Being out-numbered by a team who have already got superior technical ability was a serious receipe for disaster. I agree with your assessments of those performances by Green though, that's why I said he hasn't done any more or less than okay. I think a lot of things have gone against him in people's minds, some automatic... that Russia game, losing the ball in dangerous areas, being a Championship player, dare I mention his ginger hair and skinny frame? I'd like to see Gibson playing well for Everton over a more substantial period of time before being considered again.

you hit the nail on the head here!! the public want to see bronzed gladiators like james mccarthy in his place