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[Redie]

800 minimum ,but a closer look at how your paying your players could well explain your estimate.

The capacity of the stand used by shams supporters is 800 - work it out for yourself

[Jicked]

ok thats not the way Jicked was putting it though;

'Indeed, i'm pretty sure you have to issue a ticket to every fan, but Sligo just dish out a few raffle tickets as your proof of purhcase. I'm sure they'll tell the taxman there was 4 blokes and a dog at the game.'

Just to clear that up, apologies for my use of the word taxman, I blame listening to the bealtes on a sunny morning. :) There have been issues in the past of LoI clubs keeping money off the books, and so it seems a little strange when you're not given a ticket/receipt for cash paid, it's something thats happened the last few times we've travelled there iirc.

[sandman]

Hey there,

I'm new to this board but was reading without posting for a long time ago.

I'm from Germany and provide some statistics for German site transfermarkt.co.uk (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk). When I looked up for the substitutes benches of last nights game between Sligo and Shamrock, I found out, that there was a Robert Hughes mentioned on sites such as rte.ie (http://www.rte.ie) or extratime.ie (http://www.extratime.ie). On Shamrock's site the substitutes 'keeper was mentiones as Robert Duggan. Maybe a Shamrock fan was there last night and can tell me ...?

Furthermore, I need some information about a Galway substitute player, his name is Séamus (?) Friel. Where is he from? Can't find any information about him or a transfer in the off season!

Thank you!

[Joe Dixon]

Chris Deans got our 3rd, not JP McDonagh, in case anyone cares!

Just to second that, definately Deans goal. Don't know where T.G got McDonagh from, but extra time no doubt got it from him.

[SkStu]

Until Bohs recovered their form and things went back to normal that is.

yeah back to normal - us winning the league and you lot whinging.

Worst. Boycott. Ever.

[Red4Eva]

As for your official programme suggesting that Rovers were founded in the mid 2000s by the 400 club, how small minded and ridiculously petty.

Please advise me where this is stated in this article regarding your club's history.

[SkStu]

haha! i love the title on that attachment!!!

racist bottle thr(owers)

genius!!

[Martinho II]

3-1 Longford

JP McDonagh again

I am not convinced that Jp got the second goal.. A lot of the lads in section o reckon it was Chris deans ... anyone that was at the match agree?

[Martinho II]

JP McDonagh was listed on extratime..

Thx

i think that was because the stadium announcer said it was mcdonagh...

[Kevin L]

Hi Jicked,

In relation to last nights programme, it certainly wont be one of the best you'll see this year but also it wont be one of the worst.

http://foot.ie/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Jicked http://foot.ie/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://foot.ie/showthread.php?p=1330591#post1330591)
As for your official programme suggesting that Rovers were founded in the mid 2000s by the 400 club, how small minded and ridiculously petty.

You obviously have in your possession a serious collectors item because it must be the only programme where it says that. The article was actually taken from the Official Shamrock Rovers site so I'm sure it's 100% correct. We are only starting out with the programme this year as the lad who used to do a fantastic job for the last number of years has taken a break. But I promise you we will allocate 4 pages for Shams when you come here in July and you can have as much input as you like.

In relation to the crowd, I think that stand holds 900 approx, so if you take out the 200 plus Sligo lads and 100 approx for the empty section, that leaves 600 approx for Shams. As for 1,200, even Our Lord couldn't work that miricle. All the Shams supporters I met ,I thought were sound - one of your own lads reckoned there was between 500 and 600 down at the game.
We now know for certain Mooneys dont water down their drink!!

[De Town]

I am not convinced that Jp got the second goal.. A lot of the lads in section o reckon it was Chris deans ... anyone that was at the match agree?

It was definitely Chris Deans.

[Martinho II]

agree with the harps fans on the the silence from the town fans.. In fairness to harps they were exceptionally vocal from the start we only got going in the second half once the goals reined in.. Im suprised we won as i would have harps as favouries to win..

[Rasputin]

Goodness gracious me. Did you actually mean you want a link to that?
You made a claim, I asked you to substantiate it?
Apologies I really should have left my logic at the door.

As for the rest of your post I'm simply not bothered with stuff that ridiculous.
Slide on so.

It's weird, the Sligo fans I had a pint with before the game were friendly, reasonable, knowledgeable LoI fans. The vast majority of Sligo fans on here are batsh*t crazy.
No no, if you and your ilke didnt feel the need to spew your utter arrogance and presumptions about our club then we wouldnt feel the need to challenge you on it.
I was chatting with Shams fans before and after and they didnt talk half the ****e as Shams fans drone on about on the internet.
It still raises a smile that you are lecturing our club about Tax evasion, the word irony just doesnt do it justice.

As for your official programme suggesting that Rovers were founded in the mid 2000s by the 400 club, how small minded and ridiculously petty.
Haha oopsy daisey jicked.

I think I'm better off just ignoring this place when we play Sligo Rovers, so I'm out of here. Enjoy MNS on Monday night, try not to put your foot through the telly when MON has the temerity to say something outragous such as a draw was a fair result. :)
TBF it probably was a fair result but I still think that you never really looked like scoring until Man of the Match Buttimer stepped in.
Disgrace that he is.

[Jicked]

Hi Jicked,

In relation to last nights programme, it certainly wont be one of the best you'll see this year but also it wont be one of the worst.

You obviously have in your possession a serious collectors item because it must be the only programme where it says that. The article was actually taken from the Official Shamrock Rovers site so I'm sure it's 100% correct. We are only starting out with the programme this year as the lad who used to do a fantastic job for the last number of years has taken a break. But I promise you we will allocate 4 pages for Shams when you come here in July and you can have as much input as you like.


just to be clear I said 'suggesting' not that you did explicitly say it, it was just a little odd if doing a piece about the history of a club to start it over 100 years in to the existence thereof.

But anyway, fair enough so, but it certainly came across as the programme opting to suggest that we were founded when the 400 club came in to existence. The other people reading it around me thought so too, and a Sligo fan earlier in this thread seemed to think the same. If it was a simple mistake then not a problem, though I wouldn't call the piece "history" if you're just going to c&p an article about the last five years or so. From another club I'd put it down as being a mistake, from Sligo I couldn't help but be suspicious :o It's like when your manager has to call us Shamrock three or four times in his notes. It's a little weird, and comes across as a juvenile attempt to try drum up a rivalry out of nothing.

[Dodge]

In fiarness Jicked the article does mention that you were relegated for the first time in long and illustrous history in 2005. Don't think they'd have write that if they were trying to suggest the club was only 3 years old at the time. Any Rovers fan upet by the article is looking to be upset IMO

Of course if they took the article from Rovers site withour permission, it brings up a different question

[Schumi]

It's like when your manager has to call us Shamrock three or four times in his notes.He's hardly going to call you Rovers in a Sligo Rovers programme in fairness. At least he didn't call you Shams!

[dong]

From another club I'd put it down as being a mistake, from Sligo I couldn't help but be suspicious :o It's like when your manager has to call us Shamrock three or four times in his notes. It's a little weird, and comes across as a juvenile attempt to try drum up a rivalry out of nothing.

Good to see you're not a bit paranoid anyways.:D

Happy enough with a draw, especially considering the amount of possession ye had. I think we had the better chances but we've lost these types of games too often in the past so I hope it's a sign of things to come.
Great crowd ye brought which is always good to see in this league.

[topia]

If a club could siphon off say 200 admissions at €15 each league game this would give them €54k "of the books" giving them nearly €19k (35%) to circumvent the SCP and/or the Revenue through under the counter payments to players.

The FAI Lisencing Dept are alive to this possibility and have promised unannounced audits of match day sales this season.

Any club stupid enough to do this deserve any sanction that comes there way

Surely it would be equally beneficial to declare the correct attendance as this money would all add to turnover which would help keep under the 65%... i doubt any club would be stupid enough, especially fresh after the derry situation to be planning on handing out much money under the table

[Rasputin]

He's hardly going to call you Rovers in a Sligo Rovers programme in fairness. At least he didn't call you Shams!
Wait you did get the memo that the world does indeed revolve around Shamrock Rovers?

[showgies]

:o It's like when your manager has to call us Shamrock three or four times in his notes. It's a little weird, and comes across as a juvenile attempt to try drum up a rivalry out of nothing.

Tis no different to him calling Drogheda, Drogheda - Galway, Galway or Cork, Cork.....

[pineapple stu]

Surely it would be equally beneficial to declare the correct attendance as this money would all add to turnover which would help keep under the 65%... i doubt any club would be stupid enough, especially fresh after the derry situation to be planning on handing out much money under the table
Only 65% of any income you declare can be used as wages, whereas 100% of cash under the table can be used as wages, and tax free too.

Again, that's the theory only.

[DRDoc]

... i doubt any club would be stupid enough, especially fresh after the derry situation to be planning on handing out much money under the table

Oh - you would be surprised

[Sam_Heggy]

Derry had well over 3000 in the ground on Friday night, they even ran out of tickets at the gate. Fans coming in after got in for £10 with no ticket stub whilst those before paid £12 each. Not suggesting anthing did happen BUT, this is the kind of instance where in the past most LOI clubs would have held the cash for the "second payments".

[marinobohs]

just to be clear I said 'suggesting' not that you did explicitly say it, it was just a little odd if doing a piece about the history of a club to start it over 100 years in to the existence thereof.

But anyway, fair enough so, but it certainly came across as the programme opting to suggest that we were founded when the 400 club came in to existence. The other people reading it around me thought so too, and a Sligo fan earlier in this thread seemed to think the same. If it was a simple mistake then not a problem, though I wouldn't call the piece "history" if you're just going to c&p an article about the last five years or so. From another club I'd put it down as being a mistake, from Sligo I couldn't help but be suspicious :o It's like when your manager has to call us Shamrock three or four times in his notes. It's a little weird, and comes across as a juvenile attempt to try drum up a rivalry out of nothing.

.......so it was more slandeous rubbish spewed out by Shams then. Thats the programme article and the "tax dodging" allegation shown up for what they are - made up stories by fans who feel it is OK to make up rubbish about another club unless everything goes their way. The same people who denied rascist chanting even when evidence was supplied feel free to make up allegations without any substance at all (Sligo can presumably expect a call from the FAI :cool:)
Imagine if Sligo had had the audacity to win the game.

[The Betting Man]

Sligo display on saturday night. Well done lads its very good

http://www.forzarovers.net/apps/photos/photo?photoid=72823175

[brianw82]

The article clearly states that Shamrock Rover's 400 Club was founded in 2002, not Shamrock Rovers Football Club.

If you read otherwise then, frankly, you're a bit thick.

[Jicked]

.......so it was more slandeous rubbish spewed out by Shams then. Thats the programme article and the "tax dodging" allegation shown up for what they are - made up stories by fans who feel it is OK to make up rubbish about another club unless everything goes their way. The same people who denied rascist chanting even when evidence was supplied feel free to make up allegations without any substance at all (Sligo can presumably expect a call from the FAI :cool:)
Imagine if Sligo had had the audacity to win the game.

Good lord. Slanderous was it? I said their article suggested that Shamrock Rovers were formed in the 2000's. Do you understand what slander is?

Did you enjoy the game last night?
Nah, I didn't think it was great.
SLANDER!

(fwiw, I apologised for the tax claim which was wrong, but as other people have pointed out there are reasons to not disclose full gate receipts, and one could at least be put on notice by the fact they consistently don't issue tickets for games - and unlike the Derry example above this wasn't a case of running out of tickets, I was in the ground 25 mins before kick-off, and a similar thing happened last season)

"If you read otherwise then, frankly, you're a bit thick."

Again, maybe I was just being a bit thick. But I wasn't the only one to get that impression at the game, as its a weird date to pick to start a history of the club, and considering its a rather poor dig that Bohs fans try to get in at us. Again, it doesn't annoy me coming from a fan on the terrace, but it seemed a little petty coming from an official programme if that was the intent, which apparently it wasn't :)

[marinobohs]

Good lord. Slanderous was it? I said their article suggested that Shamrock Rovers were formed in the 2000's. Do you understand what slander is?

Did you enjoy the game last night?
Nah, I didn't think it was great.
SLANDER!

(fwiw, I apologised for the tax claim which was wrong, but as other people have pointed out there are reasons to not disclose full gate receipts, and one could at least be put on notice by the fact they consistently don't issue tickets for games - and unlike the Derry example above this wasn't a case of running out of tickets, I was in the ground 25 mins before kick-off, and a similar thing happened last season)

OK I withdraw the word "slander" in relation to lies made up by shams concerning other clubs. I do however stand over the point that shams seem to think they can make up things without any basis or substance and pass it off as the truth.

The sanctimonious whining (and "threats" of boycotts) that follows when they are questioned on it (like asked to produce evidence) is a recurring theme on Foot.ie.

[Knappagh Red]

Shamrock fans made history on Saturday night, the first time a minutes slience was disrupted in the Showgrounds, shouting about Bohs and letting off flares, sick people

[redobit]

Shamrock fans made history on Saturday night, the first time a minutes slience was disrupted in the Showgrounds, shouting about Bohs and letting off flares, sick people

... aswell as their fans trying to nick drink from the shop beside the ground, or the fella the cops were looking all over the pub for after the game, or the guy that was threatning the shop manager with a weapon (heard he might have been arrested). dirtbag fans. And dont be giving me this crap about tarring us all with the same brush, your fans and your club tolerate this crap.

[pineapple stu]

And so week 1's thread descends into crap from both sides. Let's hope for better in week 2. :rolleyes: