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The Lep
15/02/2010, 7:54 PM
14 Premier licences granted - Bohs, Bray, Dundalk, Drogheda, Galway, Longford, Mons, Shels, Shams, Sligo, Pats, Fingal, UCD and Waterford
Bohs
Dundalk
Drogheda
Galway
Rovers
sligo
St Pats
Fingal
Ucd
So will it be Bray that will complete the Premier if Cork dont use up another lifeline? Or will it be the next club in line who have ticked the most boxes in getting a premier licence? or have i missed something?
Bluebeard
15/02/2010, 7:55 PM
Glad, though unsurprised, we got the Premier. We seem to be doing a lot of things right these days that we weren't doing five years ago, and if we have any real ambitions to come back to the Premier, we need to be getting the Premier License and getting it the right way.
People seem to have this odd idea though, that the licensese are being awarded on some kind of imperically rationable basis, as though it were a case of if you have X to Y standard, you are eligible, and if you don't you aren't. As we all know there are different strands with different requirements, kind of like the Leaving Cert. On this occasion, The Coughlan formally known as Cork City have applied on the strand that requires them to submit an essay entitled "Why I think we deserve a Premier License". Tom has applied for extenuating circumstances, owing to the fact that he had misplaced his pen, and had to nip off to the shops for it, and bought a red one, but when he got back, they told him that he had to write it in either black or blue, so he had to go out again, but the buses were slow and he was waiting for hours, so he thought it would be better if he came in the following day and did it new.
The Lep
15/02/2010, 7:58 PM
Will the takeover proceed without Cork having been awarded a Premier Licence?. If there was even the off chance that they weren't going to be awarded the Premier Licence would these guys pay over their money to the other creditors and get them paid off before Monday?. It's still a ridiculous decision either way. Prudent me hole. Cowardly more like.
Its like a mexican standoff :D
Doomofman
15/02/2010, 8:00 PM
Nothing left to do but curse about it til next monday
Longfordian
15/02/2010, 8:01 PM
I can think of one party that deserves to be caught in the cross fire without a shadow of a doubt.
D.24saint
15/02/2010, 8:09 PM
another FAI fudge this league really is in a shambles but to expect anything else from them jokers in abbottstown was naive
fieldofmarkets
15/02/2010, 8:13 PM
So Coughlan gets the Long money, pays off the revenue, winding up order is withdrawn on Monday, FAI will then award CCFC a premier license. I can see the takeover still running into problems as Coughlan will have his license and place in the premier. He can then hold the takeover bid to ransom.
Now what if he pays off the revenue and the FAI still don't give him a license...essentially the FAI just waiting around to get the Revenue paid, keeping them onside. Might be interesting.
Who am I kidding, they'll still fudge it anyway.
The Lep
15/02/2010, 8:17 PM
It will be Thursday next week at the earliest that we will get the fixtures if Cork are refused a licence on Monday and they use the 3 day appeal. Most if not all managers know who their first few matches are anyway so that will giv eyou something to play with until then :)
osarusan
15/02/2010, 8:20 PM
Now what if he pays off the revenue and the FAI still don't give him a license...essentially the FAI just waiting around to get the Revenue paid, keeping them onside. Might be interesting.
This is something I thought of also. Get Coughlan to pay Revenue, then deny him a licence. It would be a splendid way to tell him to f**k off for once and for all.
FORAS get their licence, football in Cork continues.
Collins is "disappeared." Everybody's a winner.
Longfordian
15/02/2010, 8:23 PM
So Coughlan gets the Long money, pays off the revenue, winding up order is withdrawn on Monday, FAI will then award CCFC a premier license. I can see the takeover still running into problems as Coughlan will have his license and place in the premier. He can then hold the takeover bid to ransom.
Now what if he pays off the revenue and the FAI still don't give him a license...essentially the FAI just waiting around to get the Revenue paid, keeping them onside. Might be interesting.
Who am I kidding, they'll still fudge it anyway.
There's more than the Revenue that should need to be paid off for them to qualify for a Licence. There's all the ex-employees for starters. But who knows any more?.
Karl Phillips
15/02/2010, 8:37 PM
Shocking stuff, we all knew it would be a Fudge and it has proved so.I don't blame people walking away in disgust anymore.
D.24saint
15/02/2010, 8:37 PM
it all comes down to association sanctioned cheating and swindling cork (Tommy C)dont pay their staff the players the tax man plus drag the public image of LOI football through the mud and they get away scott free the words farce and joke come to mind the sad part is I think the fai top brass has even given up the pretense that the league is anything more than a jokeshop we are now well into Feb clubs are doing their preseasons and fixtures for a league which starts at the beginning of march aren't out I wouldn't trust Delaney and his cohorts to run the local chip shop never mind football in the country.
paudie
15/02/2010, 9:25 PM
Not deflecting from the Cork City debacle but how did Drogs get a Prem licence given that United Park doesn't meet the seating criteria?
it seems that UCD dont meet the seating criteria either but as long as the club has "a plan" in place (snigger), the independent licensing committee (snigger) will overlook things....
The Lilywhites
15/02/2010, 9:35 PM
They'll overlook everything depending on who you are, it seems.
Nesta99
15/02/2010, 9:41 PM
Not deflecting from the Cork City debacle but how did Drogs get a Prem licence given that United Park doesn't meet the seating criteria?
Well as Drog fans like to tell it - the FAI own United Park and are therefore responsible for any upgrades etc. As long as there is an active planning application for a ground that would meet requiremants a license is issued, so all that has to happen is to keep planned development renewed then the Drogs can stay in United park in its current guise forever
Réiteoir
15/02/2010, 9:53 PM
I wonder if that BWCTWYD or whatever his name is will crawl out from under his rock to congratulate Bohemians on securing a Premier Division License...
I wonder if that BWCTWYD or whatever his name is will crawl out from under his rock to congratulate Bohemians on securing a Premier Division License...
He can't he's banned.
DmanDmythDledge
15/02/2010, 10:44 PM
Its ridiculous us getting a licence and city not being thrown out. We meet all requirements THIS time round. We have a huge asset also. Cork have nothing and are 5 or 6 times in the debt were in now. And with our debt soon to clear we are close to being in a good place soon. FAI are a joke end of.
How do you know you didn't fall short for other reasons?
jebus
15/02/2010, 11:06 PM
Urge to quit watching football rising...rising
HonestlyI don't know how anyone can think that we can entice new fans to this ragtag league when we can't even tell possible converts when the league starts (oh in a couple of weeks ho hum).
People on this site are always quick to jump on the media's negative image of the league (sometimes rightly I will add) but there isn't any way to spin the shambles that is senior football in Ireland.
An inbred dog with half a face, talons for legs and a lower jaw that would reach a tree from ten feet that needs bringing out back for shooting is the analogy that comes to mind
DmanDmythDledge
15/02/2010, 11:26 PM
Righteous crusade? Get off the stage...
What's me being a UCD fan got to do with anything?
Will you **** off with your righteous crusade. What is happening today is dispicable but as usual a ****ing UCD fan to "set the record straight", just for the sake of it.All he asked was if you knew the full reasons for why ye didn't get a license higher then the an A Championship one. Noone is disputing that giving Cork a Premier license would be disgraceful
DmanDmythDledge
15/02/2010, 11:39 PM
What you mean i didnt state any reason at all. IMO we deserve a licence this year alot going on at our club at the moment. Working very closely with the fai recently and we 100% deserve a licence.not a place in the league but a licence anyway.
Yeah those bloody UCD fans always setting the record straight. Grow up lad
Fair enough, seems I took you up wrong. My point was though that there's no point complaining about not getting a license if you don't know the reason yet, so you don't know if the decisions was justified or not (and I see no reason why it wouldn't be).
Again, what does me being a UCD fan got to do with anything?
"Always setting the record straight."
Today was the first time in over a year I'd say that I've commented on anything of this nature on this forum, don't know where you're getting always from or that me being a UCD fan has relevance to anything in my posts.
jebus
15/02/2010, 11:50 PM
I blame Pineapple Stu
He is to UCD fans what Ahmadinejad is to reformist Muslims
rambler14
16/02/2010, 12:05 AM
Cork must be punished. There is no way in hell they should be allowed into either the Premier Division or the 1st division. It should be a case of A championship or bust for them.
The FAI dumped Ramblers without a second thought and now they should show some character and do the same to Cork City.
Buile Shuibhne
16/02/2010, 7:01 AM
In making its decision, the Independent Club Licensing Committee noted that one of the fundamental principles of club licensing is the protection of creditors such as club employees, other clubs and the Revenue.
What about all the other fundamental principles of club licences and deadlines that Cork blatantly breeched and/or ignored?
The FAI/ICLC have cherry-picked one facet of the rules in an attempt to justify their fudge.
weecountyman
16/02/2010, 7:27 AM
Cork must be punished. There is no way in hell they should be allowed into either the Premier Division or the 1st division. It should be a case of A championship or bust for them.
The FAI dumped Ramblers without a second thought and now they should show some character and do the same to Cork City.
Something I noticed this morning in coverage of this shambles, and something that was picked up upon a number of times - politics. Right now there is something odd happening and being Ireland there has to be a political angle. If Cobh could deliver 10,000 votes to FF then they'd be in the 1st Division.
Captain2007
16/02/2010, 8:31 AM
Something I noticed this morning in coverage of this shambles, and something that was picked up upon a number of times - politics. Right now there is something odd happening and being Ireland there has to be a political angle. If Cobh could deliver 10,000 votes to FF then they'd be in the 1st Division.
Well said Enda
How many FF votes will having Derry in there deliver?
Really can't see there being anything in this theory. There are certainly questions to be asked, but this seems like going way too far.
pineapple stu
16/02/2010, 8:47 AM
In making its decision, the Independent Club Licensing Committee noted that one of the fundamental principles of club licensing is the protection of creditors such as club employees, other clubs and the Revenue.
As a point of discussion on the above point...
The FAI have said that they can't make a decision on a licence knowing that that decision could cost the staff of Cork City FC wages they're owed. In this day and age, you could argue they have a point.
The reason they're put in that position is because Quintas/FORAS have made clear they'll only honour debts if they're given a Premier licence, even though they've no reason at all to make such a demand, it seems. It could be argued that effectively, Quintas/FORAS have used the unfortunate position of the Cork City staff to blackmail and bully the FAI into keeping Cork City in the Premier. Following on from that, you could argue that a lot of the vitriol is being misplaced.
Discuss.
(I think we can assume that if the takeover goes ahead and Cork don't get wound up on Monday, they'll be in the Premier).
(Also, on what grounds do Derry not qualify for a Premier licence?)
tippex
16/02/2010, 8:59 AM
One other thing is just because you get a premier license does not necessarily mean you will be in the premier.
A N Mouse
16/02/2010, 9:11 AM
(Also, on what grounds do Derry not qualify for a Premier licence?)
While I can't say for sure I'd imagine that Derry didn't apply for a premier licence.
Also doubt if the company would be in a position to submit audited accounts, and this would probably preclude them from a premier licence. Whether or not this equates to Cobh's position last year may be worth discussing.
pineapple stu
16/02/2010, 9:16 AM
If you have a new company, you have no prior year accounts to submit. Bit harsh to deny them a licence on that basis.
Buile Shuibhne
16/02/2010, 9:17 AM
While I can't say for sure I'd imagine that Derry didn't apply for a premier licence.
Also doubt if the company would be in a position to submit audited accounts, and this would probably preclude them from a premier licence. Whether or not this equates to Cobh's position last year may be worth discussing.
Did Cork submit audited accounts and if not will this preclude them from a premier licence?
Ronnie
16/02/2010, 9:22 AM
If Cork do get a license, can clubs who have previously been fined and punished for much lesser indisrections get their money back and compensation for reputational damage?
Dodge
16/02/2010, 10:08 AM
If Cork do get a license, can clubs who have previously been fined and punished for much lesser indisrections get their money back and compensation for reputational damage?
Interesting point. Pats got fined 15k last year for a technical enough issue. Even if Cork do (miraculously) receive a premier licence, would they then be subject to FAI fines? Of course clubs can't sue the FAI so it remains to be seen how far anyone brings it
Just on Cobh, it could simply be that they applied for only an A licence.
tippex
16/02/2010, 10:22 AM
what would happen if the other (all) clubs effectively refused to play against a cork team in the premier as a protest at what has happened with the club licensing fiasco?
Ronnie
16/02/2010, 10:23 AM
Interesting point. Pats got fined 15k last year for a technical enough issue. Even if Cork do (miraculously) receive a premier licence, would they then be subject to FAI fines? Of course clubs can't sue the FAI so it remains to be seen how far anyone brings it
Just on Cobh, it could simply be that they applied for only an A licence.
Thats what I mean. Pats had to pay that fine, either with cash or out of withheld money. No, if as you say Pats problem was technical and merited 15kl, what about a club that completely ignores licensing? Fine that club €100k? €200k.
John83
16/02/2010, 10:41 AM
I blame Pineapple Stu
He is to UCD fans what Ahmadinejad is to reformist Muslims
He's more like Dawkins to our atheists / evolutionists. Just because we mostly agree with him doesn't mean he isn't a bit of an ass about it at times.
Candystripe
16/02/2010, 11:14 AM
AFAIK Derry City only applied for a first division licence.
We won't need the premier licence until next season. ;)
tiktok
16/02/2010, 11:23 AM
what would happen if the other (all) clubs effectively refused to play against a cork team in the premier as a protest at what has happened with the club licensing fiasco?
Cork would win the league as a result of being awarded the win for every unfulfilled fixture.
peadar1987
16/02/2010, 11:30 AM
what would happen if the other (all) clubs effectively refused to play against a cork team in the premier as a protest at what has happened with the club licensing fiasco?
I would say that the FAI would impose heavy sanctions on any club that chose to do that, ironically, probably similar sanctions to those Cork should be getting now.
Dodge
16/02/2010, 11:32 AM
Cork would win the league as a result of being awarded the win for every unfulfilled fixture.
Yeah but with no income you'd be docked points for going over the 65%
Seeing as we're talking hypotheticals
peadar1987
16/02/2010, 11:40 AM
Yeah but with no income you'd be docked points for going over the 65%
Seeing as we're talking hypotheticals
There's hypotheticals, and there's the simply ridiculous, like the FAI actually showing the kahunas to punish Cork for breaking the 65% cap
Dodge
16/02/2010, 12:03 PM
Nicely hammering my not-that-subtle joke home there peadar
peadar1987
16/02/2010, 12:08 PM
Nicely hammering my not-that-subtle joke home there peadar
Sorry, internet autism strikes again!
Interesting point. Pats got fined 15k last year for a technical enough issue. Even if Cork do (miraculously) receive a premier licence, would they then be subject to FAI fines? Of course clubs can't sue the FAI so it remains to be seen how far anyone brings it
Just on Cobh, it could simply be that they applied for only an A licence.
Ramblers applied for a Premier Licence as I'd assume every other club in last years first and prem, bar Kildare, did!
Dodge
16/02/2010, 12:38 PM
Thanks for the clarification Luka. However I know some clubs in the past have only applied for a first division license (presumably in the knowledge they wouldn't achieve a premier license)
pineapple stu
16/02/2010, 12:40 PM
If you can't afford a CPO, you're straight out of the running for a Premier licence.
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