Keith Treacy

[Charlie Darwin]

In most cases, yeah. In Treacy it is.

[tetsujin1979]

depends on it's placement in the word.
Pub quiz question - name four words where "y" is the vowel (no googling)

[Stuttgart88]

depends on it's placement in the word.
A bit like apostrophes.

[tetsujin1979]

A bit like apostrophes.
exactly like apostrophe's.

[DannyInvincible]

depends on it's placement in the word.
Pub quiz question - name four words where "y" is the vowel (no googling)

Are there only four? I assume words like 'hymn', 'myth' and 'scythe' are examples. What about a word like 'berry'? Or do you mean words where it is the only vowel?

So, if 'y' is a vowel in those words, when is it a consonant? In words like 'yellow', 'yoke' and 'yonder', is it?

Edit: Does 'by' count as a word?

[tetsujin1979]

A far as I know, Y is a vowel when it's not at the beginning or end of a word. Myth, hymn and scythe all count. There's loads more, but the four I'm thinking of have no other vowels. Hymn and myth are two.

[Charlie Darwin]

Are there only four? I assume words like 'hymn', 'myth' and 'scythe' are examples. What about a word like 'berry'? Or do you mean words where it is the only vowel?

So, if 'y' is a vowel in those words, when is it a consonant? In words like 'yellow', 'yoke' and 'yonder', is it?


Yes. It's any sound where you constrict your throat to say it, so yellow, yoke, beyond, yank, etc.

It's a vowel in by, spry, hymn, myth, rhythm, etc.

[Eminence Grise]

It's a semivowel.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/semivowel

[tetsujin1979]

rhythm is another. just one left. Fairly common word actually.

[Charlie Darwin]

Wymyn.

[DannyInvincible]

'Gypsy'?

[Charlie Darwin]

Wy Wylly Fryzyr

[tetsujin1979]

'Gypsy'?
very good, it's not the one I'm thinking of, but we're done now - myth, rhythm, hymn, and gypsy

it was gym

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I watch Countdown and y is not a vowel in that show.

[Stuttgart88]

I refuse to accept that it's a vowel of any type and I don't care what t'internet says.

That new chick that replaced Carol Vorderman: whoar.

[paul_oshea]

New? Riley?Essex? She has been there ages. BUt yes stutts, brains and beauty, and maths brains, what more do you need? Grande Tetas, well ye got that too Stutts.

[Stuttgart88]

new = since I stopped watching regularly around 1991

[DannyInvincible]

very good, it's not the one I'm thinking of, but we're done now - myth, rhythm, hymn, and gypsy

it was gym

Transpires there are quite a few: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_words_without_vowels#With_y


In English, the letter 〈y〉 can represent either a vowel or consonant sound, and a large number of Modern English words spell the /ɪ/ and /aɪ/ sounds with 〈y〉, such as sky, spy, shy, fry, fly, why, dry, try, tryst, gym, hymn, lynx, lynch, myth, wyrm, myrrh, rhythm, pygmy, gypsy, flyby, crypt, nymph, and syzygy which are vowels in this case. The longest dictionary words (base forms excluding plurals) are rhythm, spryly, sylphy and syzygy. The longest such word in common use is rhythms, and the longest such word in Modern English is the obsolete 17th-century word symphysy. If archaic words and spellings are considered, there are many more, the longest perhaps being twyndyllyngs, the plural of twyndyllyng meaning "twin".

'Syzygy' is a splendid word. 'Cyst' and 'glyph' are other relatively common examples not mentioned above.

[Charlie Darwin]

Twyndyllyngs is a fantastic word.

[Stuttgart88]

'Syzygy' is a splendid word.the Arsenal goalkeeper?

[tetsujin1979]

I think Syzygy battled the Hulk at one point?

[Stuttgart88]

I think Syzygy battled the Hulk at one point?way over my head, that one.

[tetsujin1979]

never mind, I was thinking of Zzzax: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zzzax

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Treacy's Premier League hopes aren't completely dead and buried. He's been offered a trial at Burnley to earn a new contract.

Strange....

[Charlie Darwin]

Maybe they're testing how much he wants it? Do you have a source on that? I can't find one.

[tricky_colour]

I refuse to accept that it's a vowel of any type and I don't care what t'internet says.

That new chick that replaced Carol Vorderman: whoar.

Y is not a vowel in my book although it does act as one at times, but techinically a e i o u are the 5 vowels.

Can anyone give a word with neither a 'y' or a vowel? Hmmmmm....tricky!!!!

Countdown has gone downhill since Richard Whitley departed IMO, it was a lot more fun then,
it's a bit grim now and they should get a host with a bit more personality, this guy has the
personality of an accountant. Other than her looks the new girl does not have a lot going for her.
However I found Vorderman a bit much at times, too stroppy.

[tricky_colour]

Also sure Suarez should have a Q in it?

[gastric]

Just had a look for some info on Treacy trialling with Burnley and this is all I could find. In theory, it could be a stroke of genius and might make him realise his potential and the opportunity he could possibly have to play in the Premiership.

https://www.facebook.com/turfmoor/posts/777837975569236

[Dunners]

From Official website
Last night, following speculation and information on Twitter, Burnley Football Club rushed out a statement to confirm that four players, David Edgar, Brian Stock, Keith Treacy and Nick Liversedge would not be offered new deals.

It was all quite confusing but there are suggestions that Treacy might be back at Burnley next season after being offered the option of a trial in pre-season, but the club reported that all four will go

Treacy was a summer 2011 signing but it's hardly been three outstanding years. Often the off field speculation about him has dominated over his football and that's led to him never being a regular first team player.
It was well documented that he didn't see eye to eye with Howe and he ended his first season on loan with Sheffield Wednesday (http://www.sheffieldwednesday-mad.co.uk/). He was brought back into the squad under Dyche but has only occasionally shown his best form although it does look as though the manager thinks there is more to come to suggest the pre-season trial.
For now though, Treacy's Burnley career is at an end. It's a three year career that has seen him make 66 league appearances (of which just 29 were starts) and a further 9 cup starts. He scored five goals for us including, and coincidentally his first was against Dyche's Watford and his last against Howe's Bournemouth.

[Fixer82]

From Official website
Last night, following speculation and information on Twitter, Burnley Football Club rushed out a statement to confirm that four players, David Edgar, Brian Stock, Keith Treacy and Nick Liversedge would not be offered new deals.

It was all quite confusing but there are suggestions that Treacy might be back at Burnley next season after being offered the option of a trial in pre-season, but the club reported that all four will go

Treacy was a summer 2011 signing but it's hardly been three outstanding years. Often the off field speculation about him has dominated over his football and that's led to him never being a regular first team player.
It was well documented that he didn't see eye to eye with Howe and he ended his first season on loan with Sheffield Wednesday (http://www.sheffieldwednesday-mad.co.uk/). He was brought back into the squad under Dyche but has only occasionally shown his best form although it does look as though the manager thinks there is more to come to suggest the pre-season trial.
For now though, Treacy's Burnley career is at an end. It's a three year career that has seen him make 66 league appearances (of which just 29 were starts) and a further 9 cup starts. He scored five goals for us including, and coincidentally his first was against Dyche's Watford and his last against Howe's Bournemouth.

why would they offer him a trial when he's been playing for them all season? either they like him or they don't

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

They don't want to offer a new contract to someone whose head isn't right. On the other hand, he clearly has the talent and Dyche is fond of him so they don't want to lose him on a free and see him be a success somewhere else. They want to give him the summer to get in shape - physically and mentally - and if he shows the drive and motivation they might give him a new contract.

Of course a lot of people would see being offered a trial as a blow to their ego and would rather look elsewhere.

[Olé Olé]

All that public gesturing about wanting to be offered a new contract is in the past. Now Treacy seems to have been afforded the chance to let his feet do the talking.

He'll be 26 in September. Time to grab this one with both hands. No excuses count.

By the by, that Facebook link is quite incredible. There seems to be a consensus among fans that his wife and kids left him and he has a serious problem with alcohol. So, on a personal level, I hope Treacy manages to pull this one off.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

All that public gesturing about wanting to be offered a new contract is in the past. Now Treacy seems to have been afforded the chance to let his feet do the talking.

He'll be 26 in September. Time to grab this one with both hands. No excuses count.

By the by, that Facebook link is quite incredible. There seems to be a consensus among fans that his wife and kids left him and he has a serious problem with alcohol. So, on a personal level, I hope Treacy manages to pull this one off.

Lads like him are getting married and having children far too early. You still have a lot of growing up to do in your late teens and early twenties. I feel sorry for the guy having people putting him on blast in such a public forum.

He's a footballer doing a job. People shouldn't be prying into such delicate details. It's for him and Dyche to deal with.

Edit: I don't mean you Ole Ole.

[Charlie Darwin]

I think it might be best not to repeat the talk about his private life on here, but certainly it's long been suspected he doesn't quite have it together off the pitch and it's stopped him reaching his potential. Happens with a lot of players who go to the UK as kids.

[gastric]

Yes, good point Charlie. I only posted it in relation to the supposed offer of a trial, not to disparage him. I hope he finds his way, has all the potential to be a good player.

[seanfhear]

I always thought he had very good ability but for whatever reason has not done it consistently. Its a story that has been repeated for many players unfortunately.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/burnley_fc/news/11322175.Burnley_training_without_Treacy/?ref=var_0

Lack of professionalism costs Treacy Premier League chance.

[Olé Olé]

Someone hits the nail on the head in the comments. He was given 6 weeks to get in shape for a chance to fulfill one of the most common boyhood dreams the world over- to play in the Premier League.

On the assumption that the weight/bodyfat target he was set with was realistically attainable, then I guess he just doesn't want or deserve it. Or maybe he just doesn't want to be at Burnley, although failing to get in shape because he doesn't want to be at Burnley isn't the best idea for a pro footballer.

Seems like a sin to waste that talent...

[Stuttgart88]

For what it's worth, I'm a competent enough middle distance and endurance athlete and am in pretty good shape. My age graded scores place me above regional standard but just short of national standard, although I admit I'm fond of wine and Indian takeaways and this prevents sightly better performance.

Despite having the same waist measurement now as I had when I was 20, my BMI is 24, just below obese (25). I'm definitely a couple of kg, probably 3kg over my ideal racing weight but if I was to lose 5kg I'd be skeletal, eating disorder stuff, and if was to lose 5kg my BMI would still be in the 20s. It's a notoriously useless indicator.

Looking at Treacy I would say a 13 BMI is impossible. I'm not saying he is big boned and we need to cut him slack as some have argued over Andy Reid and James Chambers:) but I'd be looking at other indicators for Treacy, such as aerobic capacity, beep test performance and stuff like that. Maybe Burnley have but the article just didn't say. The hidden subtext is that he's probably a boozer.

[tricky_colour]

Two things strike me about this body fat percentage is not a great indicator of football ability
if it were Auschwitz would have produce some of the world greatest footballers.

Secondly I am not too sure how it is calculated or whether the method use if fair.
Acually just had a look and it seems there are a number of ways of calculation
such as passing an electric current though the body and seeing what the resistance is,
They usually don't use a fatal does for athletes unless why are particularly crap.
Then there is also skin pinch and ultra-sound.

But none of those measure football or even athletic ability hence to rely on it for
player selection seems pretty insane, it gives absolutely no indication of ability
to pass, cross, head or shoot or indeed of general football decision making.

It's not even a guaranteed indicator of fitness as you might get a good result
for someone suffering from any number of diseases.

[Olé Olé]

You'd have to imagine that the journalist, in this instance, has taken an over-simplified inference on the actual measurements that the, presumably, well-qualified Burnley fitness department actually utilised.

[Charlie Darwin]

There is absolutely no way Burnley used BMI to decide whether to Treacy can return to training.

[tricky_colour]

I expect they had pretty much decided he was not going to be part of their Premiership squad already,
obviously they will strengthen the squad and that means they will have to get rid of some players too.

[tetsujin1979]

There is absolutely no way Burnley used BMI to decide whether to Treacy can return to training.
Probably not exclusively, but they clearly had a set of standards they expected from him before he would be considered for a squad place, and he failed to meet them

[tetsujin1979]

signed for Barnsley: http://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/news/article/keith-treacy-signs-2-year-deal-at-barnsley-06082014-1809598.aspx

[gastric]

Treacy is one of Barnsley's senior players, age wise. Hopefully, he plays like one and gets his act together!

http://www.barnsley-chronicle.co.uk/sport/article/8601/treacy-will-bring-championship-quality-once-fit

[Olé Olé]

Treacy is one of Barnsley's senior players, age wise. Hopefully, he acts like one and gets his act together!

http://www.barnsley-chronicle.co.uk/sport/article/8601/treacy-will-bring-championship-quality-once-fit

His second chance at Burnley that was given to him during the summer is swept under the rug in that article. If being released left him "drained", then I'd have thought the second chance would have re-invigorated him. Odd for a professional footballer to be fearful of rushing his body back to play matches if he has indeed been training on his own since May i.e. for 3 months.

[tricky_colour]

I must say I am impressed by his performance here.
I have always been shocked by the apparent inability of so called professional footballer to kick a ball, particularly take a decent corner.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xzQkjyd1zU

I seem to remember I could score from a corner fairly easily in my school days, on my good foot anyway, the less said about he other one the better :D

Looking at some of the other players taking the same challenge you wonder how they ever managed to get a professional contract!!!

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30823038

Released by Barnsley.

[MeathDrog]

Signed for Drogheda United apparently?