The 2nd place qualifying table

[Colbert Report]

Bulgaria are most certainly not out.

[Crosby87]

Bulgaria are most certainly not out.

Bulgaria will not win all 4 remaining games and we will do enough that logically they are out. Most certainly.

[theworm2345]

Bulgaria will not win all 4 remaining games and we will do enough that logically they are out. Most certainly.

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[Colbert Report]

Bulgaria have Montenegro at home in their next match. Likely a Bulgaria win.

Italy away in the next match after that. Likely a draw or a loss.

Away to Cyprus. Win or draw.

Home to Georgia. Win.

They'll very likely win at least two out of those four matches. They could win three and draw the Italians away, putting them on eighteen points total.

That means we'd need six points from our last three matches to get nineteen points and the play-off spot, if it is even available to us. I have a funny feeling that we'll finish second and not get into the play-offs.

We have Cyprus away, then Italy and Montenegro at home. Would you be willing to bet we get at least two out of three wins there? Very very tricky. We're not out of the woods just yet.

[stiffler]

Anyone got a link to an up to date 2nd place qualifying table?

[WexCar]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(UEFA)#Ranking_o f_second-placed_teams

[swinfordfc]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(UEFA)#Ranking_o f_second-placed_teams

This table is wrong, after tonight games heres the table

1 France played 5, 10pts
=2 Bosnia played 5, 9pts
=2 Russia played 4, 9pts
=4 Hungary played 4, 7pts
=4 Switzerland played 5, 7pts
=4 N Ireland played 5, 7pts
=4 Rep Ireland played 5, 7pts
=4 Scotland played 5, 7pts
9 Croatia played 4, 5pts

So its still very tight and could go any way yet ......

[Crosby87]

I personally dont think win or draw to Cyprus and win vs Georgia are even 50% likely for Bulgaria. To declare them beating Georgia even at home is crazy. They have a lot of factors going on there. Georgia might be more up for the game then they are.
NOW of course you can include us in it not being great, but you say if we finish second, will it even matter. Well, imagine being them? They are done. We may well be also but have it better than they do.
YES I admit, mathematically they are alive but surely Bulgaria will not be at South Africa man. And its in that regard that I declare them Done.

[swinfordfc]

I personally dont think win or draw to Cyprus and win vs Georgia are even 50% likely for Bulgaria. To declare them beating Georgia even at home is crazy. They have a lot of factors going on there. Georgia might be more up for the game then they are.
NOW of course you can include us in it not being great, but you say if we finish second, will it even matter. Well, imagine being them? They are done. We may well be also but have it better than they do.
YES I admit, mathematically they are alive but surely Bulgaria will not be at South Africa man. And its in that regard that I declare them Done.

We win finish second - we just have to finish not bottom of my last post .........9th placed which Croatia is filling at the minute ......

[swinfordfc]

Holland are the 1st team from Europe to be in South Africa ......... and they good at cricket too ...... ask england :D

[eirebhoy]

Bulgaria have slipped up in 1 match that we didn't. Georgia away. That's still all that seperates us.

[tricky_colour]

Bulgaria have slipped up in 1 match that we didn't. Georgia away. That's still all that seperates us.


Italy also have to go to 'fortress Georgia' ;)
Actually Georgia have got some decent results at home including beating the
'mighty' Republic of Ireland in 2003 :D

So plenty of bananna skins for all.

[Supreme feet]

Italy also have to go to 'fortress Georgia' ;)
Actually Georgia have got some decent results at home including beating the
'mighty' Republic of Ireland in 2003 :D

So plenty of bananna skins for all.

Did I miss some bit of sarcasm, or didn't we beat Georgia 2-1 in Tblisi in March 2003, with goals from Duff and Doherty?

[tricky_colour]

Did I miss some bit of sarcasm, or didn't we beat Georgia 2-1 in Tblisi in March 2003, with goals from Duff and Doherty?

lol yes, my mistake ;)

I was scanning through the Fifa results and it seems I misread it, I did think it a bit odd I could not remember the public outcry though but I it down to the beer fogging my memory :D

They have beat Scotland though ;)

Actually after we, as you said beat them 2:1 they drew with Switzerland and then beat Russia 1:0, teams which I do remember we struggled against.

So they are capable of causing the odd upset, I expect a lot of the remaining gaimes to be pretty tight but it is still difficult so see Italy not topping the group.

[Ciprian Marica]

Italy also have to go to 'fortress Georgia' ;)
Actually Georgia have got some decent results at home including beating the
'mighty' Republic of Ireland in 2003 :D

So plenty of bananna skins for all.

Tighten up your act.

[neville neville]

So we could really do with Georgia winning a few games and getting them off last spot and into 5th in the group

[geysir]

Bulgaria have slipped up in 1 match that we didn't. Georgia away. That's still all that seperates us.
Except we have Italy at home.

They play Italy before we do. Italy at that stage will know they will have to win that game to nail first spot, should we win in Cyprus.

[holidaysong]

So we could really do with Georgia winning a few games and getting them off last spot and into 5th in the group

It would be perfect for us if Georgia could pass out Montenegro. If that happened I think we'd be assured of the playoffs.

[Sumac]

I just thought of this scenario - apologies if already mentioned.

Last game of the qualifiers, Italy are guaranteed 1st place and we are guaranteed second.

If we lose to Montenagro, they finish bottom and we are guaranteed a play off.

If we win Georgia are bottom and we lose out on a play-off!

Would be a crazy situation

[youngirish]

I just thought of this scenario - apologies if already mentioned.

Last game of the qualifiers, Italy are guaranteed 1st place and we are guaranteed second.

If we lose to Montenagro, they finish bottom and we are guaranteed a play off.

If we win Georgia are bottom and we lose out on a play-off!

Would be a crazy situation

Maybe I'm missing something but how could losing to Montenegro in the last game result in them finishing bottom while winning would result in Georgia finishing bottom? This defies all known laws of mathematics and if that situation could occur I would agree that yes it is crazy.

[Sumac]

Maybe I'm missing something but how could losing to Montenegro in the last game result in them finishing bottom while winning would result in Georgia finishing bottom? This defies all known laws of mathematics and if that situation could occur I would agree that yes it is crazy.

Too early for mathematics - ignore my ravings - Late back from Bulgaria last night and still not fully recovered:o

[fionnsci]

http://www.eleven-a-side.com/worldcup2010/news.asp?n=36539

Reassuring read there.

[fionnsci]

Croatia (5pts) reamaining games:
H Belarus 3pts
A Belarus 1pt
A England 0pts
A Kazakhstan 3pts

5+7=12

Scotland (7pts) remaining games:
A Norway 1pt
H Macedonia 3pts
H Netherlands 0pts

7+4=11

Northern Ireland (7pts) remaining games:
A Czech Republic 0pts
A Poland 1pt
H Slovakia 3pts

7+4=11

So 13 points should do us.

That's wins against Cyprus and Montenegro.

Or, if we only get 4 or 5 points from our last three games then we should hope that Georgia overtake Montenegro which will give us an extra two points in the table and give us 13/14.

All in all, I'm hopeful.

[pineapple stu]

Are there teams below those who could take over second, but with a better record?

[Dodge]

Poland could catch and pass the North. They're 3 points behind with a game in hand. Their last 4 are NI (h), Slovenia (a), Czech (a), Slovakia (h)

Chance the Czechs could catch NI too, but they're 5 points back with game in hand

[Gather round]

Chance the Czechs could catch NI too, but they're 5 points back with game in hand

In practice they're two points behind- the game in hand is against SMR. They'll win it at least 5-0.

[gspain]

Ukraine have a great shot at 2nd. In fact I fancy them to come 2nd in that group.

[swinfordfc]

Ukraine have a great shot at 2nd. In fact I fancy them to come 2nd in that group.

Exactly so forget about Croatia - if Ukraine win on wednesday night they go to 11pts and still have to play andorra twice!!!!

[EAFC_rdfl]

Exactly so forget about Croatia - if Ukraine win on wednesday night they go to 11pts and still have to play andorra twice!!!!
which will count for nothing as far as this discussion is concerned, right??

[pineapple stu]

It'll just cement their position as number two is all. Won't affect the number two table, but it means that looking at Croatia's rubbish total is probably irrelevant (hence my question earlier).

[gspain]

Here is some analysis and predictions up to and including tonight's results

My runners up table


Russia 8 6 1 1 9 3 19
France 8 5 2 1 7 6 17
Greece 8 5 1 2 12 4 16
Ukraine 8 4 3 1 10 4 15
Bosnia-Herzegovina 8 4 1 3 18 7 13
Republic of Ireland 8 3 4 1 7 4 13
Czech Republic 8 3 3 2 6 4 12
Norway 8 3 3 2 2 3 12
Sweden 8 2 5 1 2 1 11


My analysis and assumptions

13 points is the magic number. Bosnia may be OK if they only get 12 as they have a huge goal difference.

Forget Russia, France, Croatia/Ukraine and Greece. These groups are guaranteed a best runner up. Bosnia have a huge goal difference which will help them. They also have Spain home last match which is a dead game for Spain. 2 away wins in Estonia and Armenia will most likely do it unless Turkey can win in Sarajevo and Brussels.

I’m predicting 2 draws for Sweden/Portugal – Denmark A and Hungary A. Good chance the runner up here will be on 12 points or less. Both have already lost at home to Denmark but the Danes are virtually through now. Hungary have a chance here but I can’t see them beating Sweden and Portugal. If Sweden or Portugal win in Budapest (or Copenhagen) then the runner up goes to 13 which will probably be enough.

Czech Republic also requires a few calls such as a home win v Poland. Slovakia probably have enough to win the group now. The draw at home v Czech is needed but I’m allowing defeats at Northern Ireland and Poland. Northern Ireland could sneak in with a result in Prague or Poland but I fancy the big guns to get their act together in the Autumn.

Norway/Scotland is the also a likely worst runner up at this stage. I’m predicting Norway beating Scotland at home. I’m also giving them a win in Iceland. Scotland would need to win in Oslo or v Holland home to make 13 or draw both to make 12. The fact that this group finishs in September will help give other sides a target. A draw

A Georgia win in Montenegro would also boost Republic of Ireland as it would give us an extra 2 points. I think this is unlikely but in a dead match it could happen. We may need a goal difference swing too.

It is still way too early to tell in reality.


based on the following results and predictions

Note positions in group table are current ones. you can sort on final points predictions.

Group 1
Team MP W D L GF GA Pts
Denmark 10 7 3 0 12 2 24
Hungary 10 4 3 3 8 2 15
Portugal 10 4 5 1 6 3 17
Sweden 10 4 5 1 2 1 17
Albania 10 1 3 6 3 6 6
Malta 10 0 1 9 0 17 1


06/09/08 18:45 Tirana Albania 0:0 Sweden
06/09/08 19:45 Budapest Hungary 0:0 Denmark
06/09/08 20:00 Ta'Qali Malta 0:4 (0:1) Portugal
10/09/08 20:15 Solna Sweden 2:1 (0:0) Hungary
10/09/08 20:45 Lisbon Portugal 2:3 (1:0) Denmark
10/09/08 20:45 Tirana Albania 3:0 (1:0) Malta
11/10/08 19:45 Budapest Hungary 2:0 (0:0) Albania
11/10/08 20:00 Solna Sweden 0:0 Portugal
11/10/08 20:00 Copenhagen Denmark 3:0 (2:0) Malta
15/10/08 19:30 Ta'Qali Malta 0:1 (0:1) Hungary
15/10/08 20:45 Braga Portugal 0:0 Albania
11/02/09 19:30 Ta'Qali Malta 0:0 Albania
28/03/09 20:00 Ta'Qali Malta 0:3 (0:2) Denmark
28/03/09 20:30 Tirana Albania 0:1 (0:1) Hungary
28/03/09 20:45 Porto Portugal 0:0 Sweden
01/04/09 19:00 Budapest Hungary 3:0 (1:0) Malta
01/04/09 20:15 Copenhagen Denmark 3:0 (2:0) Albania
06/06/09 20:00 Solna Sweden 2 Denmark
06/06/09 20:45 Tirana Albania 2 Portugal
10/06/09 19:00 Gothenburg Sweden 1 Malta
05/09/09 TBA Denmark X Portugal
05/09/09 TBA Hungary X Sweden
09/09/09 TBA Malta 2 Sweden
09/09/09 TBA Hungary X Portugal
09/09/09 TBA Albania 2 Denmark
10/10/09 TBA Portugal 1 Hungary
10/10/09 TBA Denmark X Sweden
14/10/09 TBA Denmark 1 Hungary
14/10/09 TBA Portugal 1 Malta
14/10/09 TBA Sweden 1 Albania












Group 2
Team MP W D L GF GA Pts
Greece 10 7 1 2 12 4 22
Switzerland 10 8 1 1 11 6 25
Latvia 10 4 1 5 10 6 10
Israel 10 5 3 2 10 8 18
Luxembourg 10 1 1 8 3 13 4
Moldova 10 1 1 8 2 11 4


06/09/08 19:00 Tiraspol Moldova 1:2 (0:2) Latvia
06/09/08 20:15 Luxembourg Luxembourg 0:3 (0:2) Greece
06/09/08 20:55 Ramat Gan Israel 2:2 (0:1) Switzerland
10/09/08 20:30 Chisinau Moldova 1:2 (1:2) Israel
10/09/08 20:30 Zürich Switzerland 1:2 (1:1) Luxembourg
10/09/08 21:15 Riga Latvia 0:2 (0:1) Greece
11/10/08 17:45 St. Gall Switzerland 2:1 (0:0) Latvia
11/10/08 20:15 Luxembourg Luxembourg 1:3 (1:1) Israel
11/10/08 21:30 Piraeus Greece 3:0 (2:0) Moldova
15/10/08 19:00 Riga Latvia 1:1 (0:0) Israel
15/10/08 20:15 Luxembourg Luxembourg 0:0 Moldova
15/10/08 21:30 Piraeus Greece 1:2 (0:1) Switzerland
28/03/09 17:00 Luxembourg Luxembourg 0:4 (0:1) Latvia
28/03/09 18:45 Chisinau Moldova 0:2 (0:1) Switzerland
28/03/09 21:00 Ramat Gan Israel 1:1 (0:1) Greece
01/04/09 18:30 Riga Latvia 2:0 (1:0) Luxembourg
01/04/09 20:30 Geneva Switzerland 2:0 (1:0) Moldova
01/04/09 21:30 Heraklion Greece 2:1 (1:0) Israel
05/09/09 TBA Moldova 1 Luxembourg
05/09/09 TBA Switzerland 1 Greece
05/09/09 TBA Israel 1 Latvia
09/09/09 TBA Moldova 2 Greece
09/09/09 TBA Latvia 2 Switzerland
09/09/09 TBA Israel 1 Luxembourg
10/10/09 TBA Luxembourg 2 Switzerland
10/10/09 TBA Greece 1 Latvia
10/10/09 TBA Israel 1 Moldova
14/10/09 TBA Latvia 1 Moldova
14/10/09 TBA Switzerland 1 Israel
14/10/09 TBA Greece 1 Luxembourg





Group 3
Team MP W D L GF GA Pts
Northern Ireland 10 5 1 4 12 6 16
Slovakia 10 6 1 3 10 6 19
Poland 10 5 2 3 18 7 17
Czech Republic 10 5 3 2 6 4 18
Slovenia 10 4 3 3 5 4 15
San Marino 10 0 0 10 1 25 0


06/09/08 17:00 Wroclaw Poland 1:1 (1:1) Slovenia
06/09/08 17:30 Bratislava Slovakia 2:1 (0:0) Northern Ireland
10/09/08 19:45 Belfast Northern Ireland 0:0 Czech Republic
10/09/08 20:30 Serravalle San Marino 0:2 (0:1) Poland
10/09/08 20:45 Maribor Slovenia 2:1 (1:0) Slovakia
11/10/08 20:30 Chorzow Poland 2:1 (1:0) Czech Republic
11/10/08 20:30 Serravalle San Marino 1:3 (1:2) Slovakia
11/10/08 20:45 Maribor Slovenia 2:0 (0:0) Northern Ireland
15/10/08 17:30 Teplice Czech Republic 1:0 (0:0) Slovenia
15/10/08 19:45 Belfast Northern Ireland 4:0 (2:0) San Marino
15/10/08 20:30 Bratislava Slovakia 2:1 (0:0) Poland
19/11/08 20:30 Serravalle San Marino 0:3 (0:0) Czech Republic
11/02/09 20:30 Serravalle San Marino 0:3 (0:2) Northern Ireland
28/03/09 17:15 Belfast Northern Ireland 3:2 (1:1) Poland
28/03/09 20:45 Maribor Slovenia 0:0 Czech Republic
01/04/09 19:45 Belfast Northern Ireland 1:0 (0:0) Slovenia
01/04/09 20:30 Kielce Poland 10:0 (4:0) San Marino
01/04/09 20:30 Prague Czech Republic 1:2 (1:1) Slovakia
06/06/09 TBA Slovakia 1 San Marino
12/08/09 TBA Slovenia 1 San Marino
05/09/09 Szczecin Poland 1 Northern Ireland
05/09/09 TBA Slovakia X Czech Republic
09/09/09 TBA Northern Ireland 1 Slovakia
09/09/09 TBA Czech Republic 1 San Marino
09/09/09 TBA Slovenia X Poland
10/10/09 TBA Czech Republic 1 Poland
10/10/09 TBA Slovakia 1 Slovenia
14/10/09 TBA San Marino 2 Slovenia
14/10/09 TBA Czech Republic 1 Northern Ireland
14/10/09 TBA Poland 1 Slovakia



Group 4
Team MP W D L GF GA Pts
Germany 10 8 2 0 18 4 26
Russia 10 8 1 1 9 3 25
Finland 10 6 1 3 6 6 19
Wales 10 4 0 6 4 7 12
Azerbaijan 10 0 2 8 0 4 2
Liechtenstein 10 0 2 8 0 13 2


06/09/08 15:00 Cardiff Wales 1:0 (0:0) Azerbaijan
06/09/08 20:45 Vaduz Liechtenstein 0:6 (0:1) Germany
10/09/08 19:00 Moscow Russia 2:1 (1:0) Wales
10/09/08 20:35 Helsinki Finland 3:3 (2:2) Germany
10/09/08 21:00 Baku Azerbaijan 0:0 Liechtenstein
11/10/08 17:00 Helsinki Finland 1:0 (0:0) Azerbaijan
11/10/08 17:30 Cardiff Wales 2:0 (1:0) Liechtenstein
11/10/08 20:45 Dortmund Germany 2:1 (2:0) Russia
15/10/08 19:00 Moscow Russia 3:0 (1:0) Finland
15/10/08 20:45 Moenchengladbach Germany 1:0 (0:0) Wales
28/03/09 15:00 Cardiff Wales 0:2 (0:1) Finland
28/03/09 17:00 Moscow Russia 2:0 (1:0) Azerbaijan
28/03/09 20:00 Leipzig Germany 4:0 (2:0) Liechtenstein
01/04/09 19:30 Vaduz Liechtenstein 0:1 (0:1) Russia
01/04/09 19:45 Cardiff Wales 0:2 (0:1) Germany
06/06/09 19:00 Helsinki Finland 1 Liechtenstein
06/06/09 20:00 Baku Azerbaijan 2 Wales
10/06/09 20:30 Helsinki Finland 2 Russia
12/08/09 TBA Azerbaijan 2 Germany
05/09/09 TBA Azerbaijan 2 Finland
05/09/09 TBA Russia 1 Liechtenstein
09/09/09 TBA Wales 2 Russia
09/09/09 TBA Liechtenstein 2 Finland
09/09/09 TBA Germany 1 Azerbaijan
10/10/09 TBA Liechtenstein X Azerbaijan
10/10/09 TBA Finland 1 Wales
10/10/09 TBA Russia X Germany
14/10/09 TBA Germany 1 Finland
14/10/09 TBA Azerbaijan 2 Russia
14/10/09 TBA Liechtenstein 2 Wales

[gspain]

and other groups



Group 5
Team MP W D L GF GA Pts
Spain 10 10 0 0 13 2 30
Bosnia-Herzegovina 10 6 1 3 18 7 19
Turkey 10 4 4 2 6 5 16
Belgium 10 3 3 4 10 11 12
Estonia 10 1 2 7 5 15 5
Armenia 10 0 2 8 3 15 2

06/09/08 20:45 Liege Belgium 3:2 (1:0) Estonia
06/09/08 21:00 Yerevan Armenia 0:2 (0:0) Turkey
06/09/08 22:00 Murcia Spain 1:0 (0:0) Bosnia-Herzegovina
10/09/08 20:15 Zenica Bosnia-Herzegovina 7:0 (2:0) Estonia
10/09/08 21:00 Istanbul Turkey 1:1 (0:1) Belgium
10/09/08 22:00 Albacete Spain 4:0 (2:0) Armenia
11/10/08 20:45 Brussels Belgium 2:0 (2:0) Armenia
11/10/08 21:00 Istanbul Turkey 2:1 (0:1) Bosnia-Herzegovina
11/10/08 21:45 Tallinn Estonia 0:3 (0:2) Spain
15/10/08 20:15 Zenica Bosnia-Herzegovina 4:1 (2:0) Armenia
15/10/08 20:45 Brussels Belgium 1:2 (1:1) Spain
15/10/08 21:30 Tallinn Estonia 0:0 Turkey
28/03/09 20:00 Yerevan Armenia 2:2 (1:1) Estonia
28/03/09 20:45 Genk Belgium 2:4 (0:1) Bosnia-Herzegovina
28/03/09 22:00 Madrid Spain 1:0 (0:0) Turkey
01/04/09 18:00 Tallinn Estonia 1:0 (0:0) Armenia
01/04/09 20:45 Zenica Bosnia-Herzegovina 2:1 (2:0) Belgium
01/04/09 21:00 Istanbul Turkey 1:2 (1:0) Spain
05/09/09 TBA Armenia 2 Bosnia-Herzegovina
05/09/09 TBA Spain 1 Belgium
05/09/09 TBA Turkey 1 Estonia
09/09/09 TBA Spain 1 Estonia
09/09/09 TBA Armenia X Belgium
09/09/09 TBA Bosnia-Herzegovina X Turkey
10/10/09 TBA Estonia 2 Bosnia-Herzegovina
10/10/09 TBA Belgium X Turkey
10/10/09 TBA Armenia 2 Spain
14/10/09 TBA Estonia 2 Belgium
14/10/09 TBA Turkey 1 Armenia
14/10/09 TBA Bosnia-Herzegovina 2 Spain
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Group 6
Team MP W D L GF GA Pts
England 10 9 1 0 16 4 28
Croatia 10 6 2 2 10 4 20
Ukraine 10 6 3 1 5 3 21
Belarus 10 4 0 6 9 6 12
Kazakhstan 10 1 1 8 6 16 4
Andorra 10 0 1 9 1 14 1


20/08/08 22:00 Almaty Kazakhstan 3:0 (3:0) Andorra
06/09/08 20:00 Lviv Ukraine 1:0 (0:0) Belarus
06/09/08 20:00 Barcelona Andorra 0:2 (0:0) England
06/09/08 20:15 Zagreb Croatia 3:0 (2:0) Kazakhstan
10/09/08 19:00 Andorra La Vella Andorra 1:3 (0:1) Belarus
10/09/08 21:00 Zagreb Croatia 1:4 (0:1) England
10/09/08 22:00 Almaty Kazakhstan 1:3 (0:1) Ukraine
11/10/08 17:15 London England 5:1 (0:0) Kazakhstan
11/10/08 20:00 Kharkov Ukraine 0:0 Croatia
15/10/08 20:15 Zagreb Croatia 4:0 (2:0) Andorra
15/10/08 21:30 Minsk Belarus 1:3 (1:1) England
01/04/09 20:02 London England 2:1 (1:0) Ukraine
01/04/09 20:30 Almaty Kazakhstan 1:5 (1:0) Belarus
01/04/09 20:30 Andorra La Vella Andorra 0:2 (0:2) Croatia
06/06/09 Zagreb Croatia X Ukraine
06/06/09 TBA Belarus 1 Andorra
06/06/09 21:00 Almaty Kazakhstan 2 England
10/06/09 Kyiv Ukraine 1 Kazakhstan
10/06/09 London England 1 Andorra
12/08/09 TBA Belarus 2 Croatia
05/09/09 TBA Croatia 1 Belarus
05/09/09 TBA Ukraine 1 Andorra
09/09/09 TBA England 1 Croatia
09/09/09 TBA Belarus 2 Ukraine
09/09/09 TBA Andorra X Kazakhstan
10/10/09 TBA Belarus 1 Kazakhstan
10/10/09 TBA Ukraine X England
14/10/09 TBA Kazakhstan 2 Croatia
14/10/09 TBA England 1 Belarus
14/10/09 TBA Andorra 2 Ukraine



Group 7
Team MP W D L GF GA Pts
Serbia 10 7 2 1 12 5 23
France 10 7 2 1 7 6 23
Lithuania 10 4 1 5 6 5 13
Austria 10 4 1 5 7 8 13
Romania 10 4 1 5 6 10 13
Faroe Islands 10 0 1 9 1 5 1

06/09/08 20:15 Belgrade Serbia 2:0 (1:0) Faroe Islands
06/09/08 20:45 Vienna Austria 3:1 (2:0) France
06/09/08 21:00 Cluj Romania 0:3 (0:1) Lithuania
10/09/08 17:30 Torshavn Faroe Islands 0:1 (0:0) Romania
10/09/08 20:30 Marijampole Lithuania 2:0 (0:0) Austria
10/09/08 21:00 Saint-Denis France 2:1 (0:0) Serbia
11/10/08 16:00 Torshavn Faroe Islands 1:1 (0:0) Austria
11/10/08 20:15 Belgrade Serbia 3:0 (2:0) Lithuania
11/10/08 21:40 Constanta Romania 2:2 (2:1) France
15/10/08 19:00 Kaunas Lithuania 1:0 (1:0) Faroe Islands
15/10/08 20:30 Vienna Austria 1:3 (0:3) Serbia
28/03/09 20:45 Constanta Romania 2:3 (0:2) Serbia
28/03/09 21:45 Kaunas Lithuania 0:1 (0:0) France
01/04/09 20:30 Klagenfurt Austria 2:1 (2:1) Romania
01/04/09 21:00 Saint-Denis France 1:0 (0:0) Lithuania
06/06/09 Kaunas Lithuania 2 Romania
06/06/09 Belgrade Serbia 1 Austria
10/06/09 19:15 Torshavn Faroe Islands 2 Serbia
12/08/09 TBA Faroe Islands 2 France
05/09/09 TBA Austria 1 Faroe Islands
05/09/09 TBA France 1 Romania
09/09/09 TBA Romania 1 Austria
09/09/09 TBA Serbia X France
09/09/09 TBA Faroe Islands 2 Lithuania
10/10/09 TBA Austria 1 Lithuania
10/10/09 TBA France 1 Faroe Islands
10/10/09 TBA Serbia 1 Romania
14/10/09 TBA Lithuania X Serbia
14/10/09 TBA Romania 1 Faroe Islands
14/10/09 TBA France 1 Austria
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Group 8
Team MP W D L GF GA Pts
Italy 10 8 2 0 9 3 26
Republic of Ireland 10 5 4 1 7 4 19
Bulgaria 10 4 5 1 5 3 17
Cyprus 10 1 3 6 4 7 6
Montenegro 10 1 5 4 3 6 9
Georgia 10 0 3 7 4 9 3

06/09/08 18:00 Mainz Georgia 1:2 (0:1) Republic of Ireland
06/09/08 20:00 Podgorica Montenegro 2:2 (0:1) Bulgaria
06/09/08 21:45 Larnaca Cyprus 1:2 (1:1) Italy
10/09/08 19:00 Podgorica Montenegro 0:0 Republic of Ireland
10/09/08 20:50 Udine Italy 2:0 (1:0) Georgia
11/10/08 20:30 Tbilisi Georgia 1:1 (0:0) Cyprus
11/10/08 21:15 Sofia Bulgaria 0:0 Italy
15/10/08 19:45 Dublin Republic of Ireland 1:0 (1:0) Cyprus
15/10/08 20:30 Tbilisi Georgia 0:0 Bulgaria
15/10/08 20:50 Lecce Italy 2:1 (2:1) Montenegro
11/02/09 19:45 Dublin Republic of Ireland 2:1 (0:1) Georgia
28/03/09 19:45 Dublin Republic of Ireland 1:1 (1:0) Bulgaria
28/03/09 20:00 Larnaca Cyprus 2:1 (1:0) Georgia
28/03/09 20:45 Podgorica Montenegro 0:2 (0:1) Italy
01/04/09 18:00 Sofia Bulgaria 2:0 (1:0) Cyprus
01/04/09 20:50 Bari Italy 1:1 (1:0) Republic of Ireland
01/04/09 21:00 Tbilisi Georgia 0:0 Montenegro
06/06/09 Larnaca Cyprus X Montenegro
06/06/09 20:30 Sofia Bulgaria X Republic of Ireland
05/09/09 TBA Cyprus 2 Republic of Ireland
05/09/09 TBA Bulgaria 1 Montenegro
05/09/09 TBA Georgia 2 Italy
09/09/09 TBA Italy 1 Bulgaria
09/09/09 TBA Montenegro X Cyprus
10/10/09 TBA Cyprus 2 Bulgaria
10/10/09 TBA Montenegro 1 Georgia
10/10/09 TBA Republic of Ireland 2 Italy
14/10/09 TBA Republic of Ireland 1 Montenegro
14/10/09 TBA Bulgaria 1 Georgia
14/10/09 TBA Italy 1 Cyprus



Group 9
Team MP W D L GF GA Pts
Netherlands 8 8 0 0 12 1 24
Scotland 8 3 1 4 4 6 10
Iceland 8 1 1 6 5 8 4
FYR Macedonia 8 2 1 5 2 7 7
Norway 8 3 3 2 2 3 12


06/09/08 15:00 Skopje FYR Macedonia 1:0 (1:0) Scotland
06/09/08 19:00 Oslo Norway 2:2 (1:1) Iceland
10/09/08 18:30 Reykjavik Iceland 1:2 (0:1) Scotland
10/09/08 20:30 Skopje FYR Macedonia 1:2 (0:0) Netherlands
11/10/08 15:00 Glasgow Scotland 0:0 Norway
11/10/08 20:45 Rotterdam Netherlands 2:0 (1:0) Iceland
15/10/08 18:00 Reykjavik Iceland 1:0 (1:0) FYR Macedonia
15/10/08 19:00 Oslo Norway 0:1 (0:0) Netherlands
28/03/09 20:45 Amsterdam Netherlands 3:0 (2:0) Scotland
01/04/09 20:00 Glasgow Scotland 2:1 (1:0) Iceland
01/04/09 20:45 Amsterdam Netherlands 4:0 (3:0) FYR Macedonia
06/06/09 Skopje FYR Macedonia X Norway
06/06/09 18:45 Reykjavik Iceland 2 Netherlands
10/06/09 Skopje FYR Macedonia 1 Iceland
10/06/09 20:45 Rotterdam Netherlands 1 Norway
12/08/09 TBA Norway 1 Scotland
05/09/09 Reykjavik Iceland 2 Norway
05/09/09 15:00 Glasgow Scotland 1 FYR Macedonia
09/09/09 TBA Scotland 2 Netherlands
09/09/09 TBA Norway 1 FYR Macedonia

[Delbertt]

Games of interest tonight

Group 6 Belarus v Croatia
Group 9 Norway v Scotland

If Norway win tonight group 9 will finish as worst runners up imo

[eirebhoy]

Scotland could still definitely win their last 2 home games so 13 points might be enough for them.

We're in very similar situations with Scotland probably having easier fixtures than us.

As for Croatia, I think Ukraine will get 2nd anyway.

[gspain]

Scotland could still definitely win their last 2 home games so 13 points might be enough for them.

We're in very similar situations with Scotland probably having easier fixtures than us.

As for Croatia, I think Ukraine will get 2nd anyway.

They could beat Holland but I doubt it.

Still a Norway win or draw is the best case for us tonight.

Scotland have done little in this group to impress.

[zenokelly]

They could beat Holland but I doubt it.

Still a Norway win or draw is the best case for us tonight.

Scotland have done little in this group to impress.

Scotland won't beat Holland. They are in the same state if not worse than we were under Stan. As for tonight, I would be surprised if they won. Expecting a draw, but if Norway win, I believe we'll be in the play-offs.(at least)

[Brendan 82]

Norway looking good for 3 points right now. 1-0 up and Scotlamd down to 10 men

[Umberside]

Get in 2-0

[Maroon 7]

3-0 and should be 4-0. Carew had the ball over the line and it wasn't given.

[bennocelt]

jesus Scotland were awful, but Carew was absolutely way off the pace, he would want to get fit pretty quick

[fionnsci]

Scotland have Netherlands (0 points) and Macedonia (3 points) to go.
Should finish on 10.

Macedonia have Scotland and Norway away and so won't finish any higher than Scotland.

Norway have Macedonia (3 points) and Iceland (3 points) to go. Should finish on 12.

So 13 points should do us (same thing I said a couple of months back!), still a big ask.

[eirebhoy]

I still think Scotland could win their 2 games so I won't be counting them out. Holland have nothing to play for. Scotland are from the 2 western islands that tend to play above themselves in these games.

[geysir]

Holland have set the target to get maximum points in this qual campaign.
They will not be taking the foot of the pedal.
Scotland will even struggle to beat Macedonia.
Burley is a dead man walking.
Norway to drop 2 points in Iceland.


Ireland will only need 4 points to keep ahead of group 9 2nd place.

[Brendan 82]

Holland have set the target to get maximum points in this qual campaign.
They will not be taking the foot of the pedal.
Scotland will even struggle to beat Macedonia.
Burley is a dead man walking.
Norway to drop 2 points in Iceland.


Ireland will only need 4 points to keep ahead of group 9 2nd place.

Agree completely. Don't see how on earth anyone would think the result of this game is a forgone conclusion.

[paul_oshea]

Scotland are at home though aren't they? I reckon they will overcome macedonia, but struggle against holland, however I see macedonia giving Norway problems.

"Holland have set the target to get maximum points in this qual campaign.
They will not be taking the foot of the pedal. "

Not sure I understand that surely everyone does that....doesn't mean you dont take your foot off the gas when you know you are already qualified

[SuperDave]

Holland have set the target to get maximum points in this qual campaign.
They will not be taking the foot of the pedal.
Scotland will even struggle to beat Macedonia.
Burley is a dead man walking.
Norway to drop 2 points in Iceland.


Ireland will only need 4 points to keep ahead of group 9 2nd place.

But, lets face it, Ireland probably need 5 more points to get second place anyway. What last night's result did for us was substantially lower the risk that if we finish second we'll be the worst runner up. I think that is quite unlikely now.

Plus, group 9 finishes earlier than the rest, in september, so we'll know beforehand how many points we need to get to be sure.

[eirebhoy]

Results to cheer on tonight

Hungary v Sweden - Draw
Denmark v Portugal - Denmark

Poland v N.Ireland - Draw
Slovakia v Czech - Slovakia

Armenia v Bosnia - Armenia, draw ok
Turkey v Estonia - Estonia, draw ok
Spain v Belgium - Spain or draw

Ukraine v Andorra - Andorra, or draw.. :o
Croatia v Belarus - Belarus or draw

France v Romania - Romania

Scotland v Macedonia - Draw, or Macedonia win
Iceland v Norway - Iceland or draw

[geysir]

I wouldn't do the accumulator though.

[Stuttgart88]

Jay1, I think you mean 2-2 against Holland.

[tetsujin1979]

Ukraine v Andorra - Andorra, or draw..
Scotland v Macedonia - Draw, or Macedonia win
Ukraine 2 up on Andorra

Soctland 0-0 Macedonia at half time
Scotland are dire.
Scott Brown picked up a yellow and is suspended for the Dutch game on wednesday