Cork City Financial Discussion [Archive] - Page 2

Smurf1

18/02/2009, 10:21 AM

Player Debts and Audited Accounts.Athlone & Cobh Player Debts,Dundalk Pitch & then unamed Clubs about there unrealistic Budgets 4 singled out as per his interview on TV 3 were along the lines of the Herald Article easily identifiable as Bohs,Cork,Sligo & Drogheda.

In terms of last year's budgets or the proposed ones for this year?

corkboy360

18/02/2009, 10:22 AM

Fair enough, but the point being as of now we don't owe Mathews anything because of sacking him. He can go to court to say we unfairly broke his contract, we'll disagree and itl be a judge that decides what is owed to who.
Hope this goes Matthews way as he had a contract and it should have been honored all this malarkey about contracts under arkaga aren't viable is a load of bull.Still cant see why Tom Coughlan sacked Matthews for Doolin:mad:

Dodge

18/02/2009, 10:24 AM

In terms of last year's budgets or the proposed ones for this year?

This year's proposed budgets

gufct

18/02/2009, 10:25 AM

proposed ones for this year he said he was very sceptical and with the accusation in the Herald yesterday of under the table cash payments to circumvent the licencin process it looks like some clubs havent learned any lessons from last seasons debacle.You cant base your budget on hoped for success because our last 3 premier winners have all faced meltdown despite their success.

micls

18/02/2009, 10:48 AM

Hope this goes Matthews way as he had a contract and it should have been honored all this malarkey about contracts under arkaga aren't viable is a load of bull.Still cant see why Tom Coughlan sacked Matthews for Doolin:mad:

Yeah thats just what the club needs alright to be paying out 300k...

This year's proposed budgets
Then why would they have approved them :confused:

Dodge

18/02/2009, 10:50 AM

Then why would they have approved them :confused:

Pressure on them to keep some sort of league together I'd assume

corkboy360

18/02/2009, 10:51 AM

Yeah thats just what the club needs alright to be paying out 300k...

Its not but Tom Coughlan being a businessman should of had th cop on not too sack someone with a 3 year contract with 2 remaining.

micls

18/02/2009, 10:52 AM

Its not but Tom Coughlan being a businessman should of had th cop on not too sack someone with a 3 year contract with 2 remaining.

Irrelevant. Id expect any city fan to hope the court sides with us and we dont have to pay out that money.

gufct

18/02/2009, 10:53 AM

Pressure on them to keep some sort of league together I'd assume

I wouldnt have a problem with keeping the league together but if their budgets are unrealistic make them cut them or relegate them .Then licencing would be seen to work and not the absolute joke its held up to be.

ndrog

18/02/2009, 10:58 AM

Irrelevant. Id expect any city fan to hope the court sides with us and we dont have to pay out that money.

Thats not right micls .OUR manager Alan matthews has been hard done by and deserves what he is owed .Unless of course he agrees on a settlement .

Mr A

18/02/2009, 11:02 AM

OUR manager Alan matthews has been hard done by and deserves what he is owed .

Good gracious, my irony detector just melted!

wexfordned

18/02/2009, 11:05 AM

Thats not right micls .OUR manager Alan matthews has been hard done by and deserves what he is owed .Unless of course he agrees on a settlement .

Does anyone else see the irony in this statement. Sure all your players were hard done by last season. Did they get what they deserve?

corkboy360

18/02/2009, 11:06 AM

Irrelevant. Id expect any city fan to hope the court sides with us and we dont have to pay out that money.

Thats not right micls .OUR manager Alan Matthews has been hard done by and deserves what he is owed .Unless of course he agrees on a settlement .
Exactly.No matter what the case justice should be done the man does have a family to look after.

razor

18/02/2009, 11:14 AM

Hope this goes Matthews way as he had a contract and it should have been honored all this malarkey about contracts under arkaga aren't viable is a load of bull.Still cant see why Tom Coughlan sacked Matthews for Doolin:mad:I personally hope it goes Citys way, its better for the club you see.
I can't see Coughlan not having his homework done in advance of withdrawing Mathews unsigned contract.

Dodge

18/02/2009, 11:14 AM

Thats not right micls .OUR manager Alan matthews has been hard done by and deserves what he is owed .Unless of course he agrees on a settlement .

And people try to say I'm too sarcastic?!

tiktok

18/02/2009, 11:34 AM

Its not but Tom Coughlan being a businessman should of had th cop on not too sack someone with a 3 year contract with 2 remaining.

I don't remember Tom Coughlan sacking anyone.

I remember the club withdrawing an agreed contract after the other party refused to sign it.
Furthermore, Alan Mathews took a two year sabbatical from the bank when he signed with City so at best he had a two year contract with an option to renew, I'd guess that both parties would have had to agree to that extension.

I hope Alan Mathews gets what he deserves to by the way.

Longfordian

18/02/2009, 11:39 AM

tiktok

18/02/2009, 12:34 PM

From what I've heard the conversation went something like "Get your jackeen arse back to Dublin" (that's what Mathews alleges are the exact words TC used). "Does that mean I'm sacked?" "Take it whatever way you want" "You can't do that, I've got a contract" "We'll see about that." Now obviously that's his version but it'll be interesting to see what way it goes. Employment law is weighted in favour of the employee.

Did Alan Mathews tell you about his extra requests, the apartment, the car and what he did with the car keys while he was bad mouthing everyone at Cork City?

It's no surprise to me that Mathews is spreading rumours about Cork City all over Longford and Drogheda, I've come to learn that it's his preferred mode of operation.

We'll see what fraction of the rumoured €300k he'll end up with, there are two sides to every story and somewhere in between is the truth.

gufct

18/02/2009, 12:38 PM

Longfordian

18/02/2009, 12:47 PM

Did Alan Mathews tell you about his extra requests, the apartment, the car and what he did with the car keys while he was bad mouthing everyone at Cork City?

It's no surprise to me that Mathews is spreading rumours about Cork City all over Longford and Drogheda, I've come to learn that it's his preferred mode of operation.

We'll see what fraction of the rumoured �300k he'll end up with, there are two sides to every story and somewhere in between is the truth.

I didn't say that was the whole truth, I just said that was his side of it. Indeed I say that in my original post. I'm genuinely interested from a legal point of view to see what happens.

tiktok

18/02/2009, 12:48 PM

I know alan matthews personally and that is the biggest load of tosh ive ever read.If he was that type of person he would have walked when the **** hit the fan last season.

Your chairman is living in dreamworld and if I were a CCFC Supporter id be very worried as to the future of your club.

I don't give a **** who you know personally [though it does explain your obsession with CCFC].

Why would he walk away from well over €100k p.a. when he knew [as a financial advisor and member of the FMAI would, and from his frequent conversations with Tom Coughlan during Examinership] that an investor was coming in and he'd end up getting all his back pay and his €50k bonus for a Setanta Cup win, you're the one spouting 'tosh'?

I've witnessed his antics first hand, I've heard his petty digs in the media, I've heard his claims he'd make sure we didn't get a licence until he got his money [when he was still our manager] and I've heard just as much anecdotal evidence to confirm my opinion as the anecdotal 'evidence' you've heard [it seems from the rumour monger himself] that's made your mind up about the CCFC chairman.

I'm not having the woll pulled over my eyes about Tom Coughlan, I'm well aware of his faults and his limitations.
I'm always concerned about the future of CCFC, in fact of the league as a whole.

Dodge

18/02/2009, 12:48 PM

I know alan matthews personally and that is the biggest load of tosh ive ever read.If he was that type of person he would have walked when the **** hit the fan last season

Very good point. Whatever about Matthews' relationship with the current owner, he had plenty of oppurtunities to walk last year and decided to stick at it and work hard for Cork.

pineapple stu

18/02/2009, 12:49 PM

Your chairman is living in dreamworld and if I were a CCFC Supporter id be very worried as to the future of your club.
Funny, as a GUFC supporter this time last year, when your chairman was living in dreamworld with talks of ful-time football and E20 tickets, you weren't worried at all. In fact, you actively ran with the bull and slagged anyone who dared question it. Any chance you can at least be consistent?

ndrog

18/02/2009, 12:51 PM

Does anyone else see the irony in this statement. Sure all your players were hard done by last season. Did they get what they deserve?

eh ... sense of humour bypass there sham :D

Dodge

18/02/2009, 12:54 PM

Funny, as a GUFC supporter this time last year, when your chairman was living in dreamworld with talks of ful-time football and E20 tickets, you weren't worried at all. In fact, you actively ran with the bull and slagged anyone who dared question it. Any chance you can at least be consistent?

In fairness, very early into last season (maybe even the year before) gufct came out pretty strongly against some of the measures implemented by his club's board

osarusan

18/02/2009, 12:55 PM

Good gracious, my irony detector just melted!
One Red Army has a spare one.

tiktok

18/02/2009, 1:03 PM

I didn't say that was the whole truth, I just said that was his side of it. Indeed I say that in my original post. I'm genuinely interested from a legal point of view to see what happens.

Yes. You did say that, I apologise, the red mist descended after line two of your post.

gufct

18/02/2009, 1:18 PM

I am not rumour mongering maybe you should get onto all the national newspapers and John Delaney if its not true.

gufct

18/02/2009, 1:24 PM

In fairness, very early into last season (maybe even the year before) gufct came out pretty strongly against some of the measures implemented by his club's board

Thanks dodge and the price of the Tickets was actually �25 and Season Tickets at �250 which myself and the GUST representatives fought tooth and nail but we were overuled by the majority who like the rest of the country believed the Celtic Tiger was still flying high.

The prices were reduced to �15 and this seasons tickets are �199 as well as our playing budget being slashed by 50%.

tiktok

18/02/2009, 1:25 PM

I am not rumour mongering maybe you should get onto all the national newspapers and John Delaney if its not true.

I never said you were, you're just acting as the messanger boy for the rumour monger.

If what's not true? What Longfordian claims Mathews said? I'll be sure to get onto all the national newspapers and the FAI to tell them that a few of Alan Mathews buddies are spreading rumours about CCFC on an anonymous internet forum, I'd say that's well up their list of priorities right now, ffs!

Smurf1

18/02/2009, 1:31 PM

there unrealistic Budgets 4 singled out as per his interview on TV 3 were along the lines of the Herald Article easily identifiable as Bohs,Cork,Sligo & Drogheda.

proposed ones for this year he said he was very sceptical and with the accusation in the Herald yesterday of under the table cash payments to circumvent the licencin process it looks like some clubs havent learned any lessons from last seasons debacle.You cant base your budget on hoped for success because our last 3 premier winners have all faced meltdown despite their success.

Well if it's this years budgets you can take drogs out of your list. I've seen the budget and its far from unrealistic. Its actually embarassing as it shows how unpopular the league must be to have such low income levels.

Dodge

18/02/2009, 1:35 PM

That was Ollie Byrne's line; "No good can come from releasing official crowd figures"

gufct

18/02/2009, 1:48 PM

Well if it's this years budgets you can take drogs out of your list. I've seen the budget and its far from unrealistic. Its actually embarassing as it shows how unpopular the league must be to have such low income levels.

I Apologise I was wrong about Drogs so who does that leave Dundalk,Pats,Derry or Rovers?

pineapple stu

18/02/2009, 2:02 PM

Athlone was how I read it.

gufct

18/02/2009, 2:03 PM

I never said you were, you're just acting as the messanger boy for the rumour monger.

If what's not true? What Longfordian claims Mathews said? I'll be sure to get onto all the national newspapers and the FAI to tell them that a few of Alan Mathews buddies are spreading rumours about CCFC on an anonymous internet forum, I'd say that's well up their list of priorities right now, ffs!

I was talking about Licencing and you tore into Longfordiam making all kinds of accusations against Alan Matthews who I know since he was a player with galway and he has always been up straight with me in any dealings ive ever had with him.

Battery Rover

18/02/2009, 2:05 PM

Athlone was how I read it.

Its not our budget as we are operating of the smallest budget in the league other than Kildare County

DmanDmythDledge

18/02/2009, 2:10 PM

Its not our budget as we are operating of the smallest budget in the league other than Kildare County
Does that include the amateur clubs?

pineapple stu

18/02/2009, 2:36 PM

Its not our budget as we are operating of the smallest budget in the league other than Kildare County
Sorry, I was still going on the article in the Herald (players owed E20k and not confident of receiving it even though an agreement has been reached). Wasn't aware of Delaney's interview.

dman - I think Athlone are amateur this year. Or close enough anyway.

tiktok

18/02/2009, 2:40 PM

Alan Matthews who I know since he was a player with galway and he has always been up straight with me in any dealings ive ever had with him.

Yes, the fact that you're friends with Alan Mathews and therefore biased in his favour has been duly noted. I used to have great time for the man too, which is probably why I'm so hugely disappointed in his antics over recent months, some of them incredibly petty.

Longfordian

18/02/2009, 2:46 PM

If what's not true? What Longfordian claims Mathews said? I'll be sure to get onto all the national newspapers and the FAI to tell them that a few of Alan Mathews buddies are spreading rumours about CCFC on an anonymous internet forum, I'd say that's well up their list of priorities right now, ffs!

He's not my buddy. I know him alright, not that well personally but he would be close to people I do know very well. I wasn't casting aspersions on CCFC in and of itself, more reporting on Tom Coughlan's alleged approach to the parting of ways. At the end of the day Mathews will be alright one way or another so don't think that I want to see ye hammered or anything. My interest is mainly a personal curiosity in how it pans out in a legal sense. That's the area I'm in. I'm going to back away from this thread slowly and with my hands in the air.

corkboy360

18/02/2009, 3:13 PM

I don't remember Tom Coughlan sacking anyone.
Alan was well within his rights not to reduce his wages.Obviously i don't like seeing the club in trouble but they put themselves in this position

I hope Alan Mathews gets what he deserves to by the way.

His money?
No change with the new owner((s) as we don't know who else is involved with TNB).The same as Arkaga really a manager wins a cup and gets the sac hmm where have i seen that before.

Your chairman is living in dreamworld and if I were a CCFC Supporter id be very worried as to the future of your club.
Agree with this completely.

gufct

18/02/2009, 3:14 PM

Its not our budget as we are operating of the smallest budget in the league other than Kildare County

No its definitely not Athlone although they were mentioned in relation to Post dated cheques which will have to be cleared before they get the ok and I think Kildare are in the same boat. There was definitely another Premier Team but i dont know which one.Ours, Brays and Droghrda are the lowest budgets so that leaves anyone of 4.

tiktok

18/02/2009, 3:16 PM

I'm going to back away from this thread slowly and with my hands in the air.

:D

It's ok, come back, I realised I'm taking all this far too seriously.

tiktok

18/02/2009, 3:44 PM

Alan was well within his rights not to reduce his wages.
He did agree to reduce his wages, to his credit, why he didn't then sign the agreed contract is what's at issue.

Obviously i don't like seeing the club in trouble but they put themselves in this position
Arkaga = CCFC = Tom Coughlan.
If that's how you see it fair enough, but Tom Coughlan is suffering more than he should have had to from the Arkaga hangover.

His money?
Yes.
If the court rules that he should be given �1million euro, so be it, we should pay it.
But all this talk of what he's owed and how he was treated pre-empting any ruling is a joke IMO.

No change with the new owner((s) as we don't know who else is involved with TNB).The same as Arkaga really a manager wins a cup and gets the sac hmm where have i seen that before.

I knwo who else is involved with TC as of last weekend, no-one else. If he feels that he can't afford the club and in the future wants to bring someone on board as an investor, well it's his club.

As for the comparison to Arkaga, you'd want to cop yourself on. You've a fairly short [or just poor] memory if you can't remember exactly what they did to us.

corkboy360

18/02/2009, 3:50 PM

Yes.
If the court rules that he should be given �1million euro, so be it, we should pay it.
But all this talk of what he's owed and how he was treated pre-empting any ruling is a joke IMO.

I know who else is involved with TC as of last weekend, no-one else. If he feels that he can't afford the club and in the future wants to bring someone on board as an investor, well it's his club.

As for the comparison to Arkaga, you'd want to cop yourself on. You've a fairly short [or just poor] memory if you can't remember exactly what they did to us.
Fair enough i know that you would know lot more than the rest of us about whats happening at the minute.

But did Arkaga not get rid of a manager who just won a cup?

tiktok

18/02/2009, 3:55 PM

But did Arkaga not get rid of a manager who just won a cup?

That's where the comparison starts and ends, beyond that it's unfair.

For the record, I don't believe that Rico should have gone in 2007 and I don't believe that Mathews should have gone in 2008, I think they both deserved another season, but then I was party to the reasons for firing either. Rico's settlement suggests his case was at least partially unfair, Mathews settlement may reveal the same, only time will tell.

John83

18/02/2009, 4:33 PM

We'll see what fraction of the rumoured �300k he'll end up with, there are two sides to every story and somewhere in between is the truth.
Bald Student recently loaned Student Mullet �20 in the bar. When asked for it back, Student Mullet claimed that it was Bald Student who owed him �20. Obviously, there are two sides to this story and somewhere in between is the truth.

thischarmingman

18/02/2009, 5:45 PM

Bald Student recently loaned Student Mullet �20 in the bar. When asked for it back, Student Mullet claimed that it was Bald Student who owed him �20. Obviously, there are two sides to this story and somewhere in between is the truth.

Yeah, both of them are lying.

No student with �20 would give it away. In a bar.

cheech

18/02/2009, 6:26 PM

According to a Cork work colleague here in Dublin, cheques to CURRENT STAFF have started bouncing around Turners Cross. It will be interesting to hear reports from the forum.

This is what he emailed me earlier today. "Cheques have been bouncing since the New Year apparently to current staff. PFAI now getting involved. FAI have warned Coughlan that unless this is rectified in the next week then they will rescind the Premier License."

corkboy360

18/02/2009, 6:30 PM