Comparison of Irish clubs in Europe versus Scottish clubs in Europe

[TiocfaidhArmani]

A swiss member of a Celtic forum I'm on posted this, it's a quote from Sion's lawyer.


Responding to Swiss media reports of Platini and Blatter's comments, and rumours that UEFA officials have told Celtic they can plan for the group stages, Alexandre Zen-Ruffinen has said "This stinks to high heaven. I'm preparing our response to Celtic's protest, but is seems I can save myself the effort. The verdict has been decided before the Uefa Disciplinary Committee meeting

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Celtic reinstated in Europa League as UEFA rule against Sion

http://sport.stv.tv/football/scottish-premier/celtic/268715-celtic-reinstated-in-europa-league-as-uefa-rule-against-sion/

FAO of all those who laughed and mocked, justice has been done!!!!!!

[thischarmingman]

http://www.gravitybong.net/files/public/1281899728_130_FT42881_tom_cruise_crazy_laugh.gif

[fionnsci]

Ugh.... Fair result but annoying nonetheless.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

http://www.gravitybong.net/files/public/1281899728_130_FT42881_tom_cruise_crazy_laugh.gif

Me but a little happier when I seen the news :D

Think I might do a little trip to France if I can get the time off work. It's good to be a tim :)

[Eminence Grise]

FAO of all those who laughed and mocked, justice has been done!!!!!!

You'd better hope that Celtic don't perform a comedy encore in the groups...

[TiocfaidhArmani]

It helping our ranking and is a few million in the bank, I'm happy. One of their players they knew they weren't to play scored the two goals that knocked us out so i don't feel for Sion. They cheated and they knew it. We wouldn't have had such a hard group if we had been in the pot so we're screwed there but I'll enjoy the big European nights against Madrid and Udinese :)

[El-Pietro]

still didn't do enough on the field to get into teh next round

how much of a coincidence is it that both your teams could be beaten in cup competitions by "inferior" sides but get reinstated over player registration issues in the same week

[nigel-harps1954]

Well done to Celtic for getting in by default. Maybe next year they can get in on the pitch and without any help from UEFA.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

still didn't do enough on the field to get into teh next round

how much of a coincidence is it that both your teams could be beaten in cup competitions by "inferior" sides but get reinstated over player registration issues in the same week

I'd bleeding love it, not sure about Sheriff though.


Well done to Celtic for getting in by default. Maybe next year they can get in on the pitch and without any help from UEFA.

Sion helped us, they cheated. Celtic and UEFA have nothing to feel bad about.

[Charlie Darwin]

Sion are prepared to take their appeal all the way it seems, even tying it up in court so the start of the competition gets postponed. No sympathy for them - a cowboy club run by a loon.

[legendz]

At least Shamrock Rovers won their right on the field of play. I knew from what I was reading Sion would be kicked out.

[bullit]

I'd bleeding love it
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You are slipping back in to your Dub way of posting :) Don't be at it !!


It's good to be a tim

[TheBoss]

Does anyone not think that UEFA could be the problem here, as they receive the squad list for each team and it should be up to them to tell each team which players are eligible or not, If UEFA did not notify Sion that there were ineligible players involved, then I think Sion have a case cause UEFA registered the players and did not inform Sion of any errors. But if Sion played players that were not registered with UEFA from the squad list, well, they deserve not to be in the competition.

[Charlie Darwin]

UEFA and FIFA did inform Sion that if they fielded ineligible players they would be disqualified. They just ignored the advice. Not sure why it took so long to rule though.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

At least Shamrock Rovers won their right on the field of play. I knew from what I was reading Sion would be kicked out.

At least Rovers team played by the rules, Sion didn't.

[Acornvilla]

This is becoming a , my dad could beat up your dad argument

[El-Pietro]

This is becoming a , my dad could beat up your dad argument
my dad definitely could beat up your dad!

[Acornvilla]

my dad definitely could beat up your dad!

I'd like to see him try

[punkrocket]

Before this starts to get ridiculous I'd just like to cut out several levels of feisty bragadoccio and let you know that my da is Godzilla, no, no I mean that thing out of Cloverfield yeah thats it my da is a fearsome thing from outer space who could whip everyone on here's das. So there.

[legendz]

It's great Rovers earned their way on the field of play. None of this waiting for two days before the game to know if a club is involved or not.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

It's great Rovers earned their way on the field of play. None of this waiting for two days before the game to know if a club is involved or not.

Wow I wanna be like Rovers. A team with no internationals, a crappy two-ended stadium and a nothing club in world football.

To compare the Irish league is a joke. The stadiums are far superior, it's a full-time professional league and the Scottish league has a history of making progress in European competitions. 1967, 1970, 1972, 1983, 1987, 2003 and 2008, Scottish clubs all made major European finals and four clubs did this. Close the thread!

[nigel-harps1954]

Wow I wanna be like Rovers. A team with no internationals, a crappy two-ended stadium and a nothing club in world football.

To compare the Irish league is a joke. The stadiums are far superior, it's a full-time professional league and the Scottish league has a history of making progress in European competitions. 1967, 1970, 1972, 1983, 1987, 2003 and 2008, Scottish clubs all made major European finals and four clubs did this. Close the thread!



HAH...HAHAH....HAHAHAHAH

Least Rovers made it into the Europa League on the pitch. I don't know how many times it has to be said. Rovers beat a far superior team in Partizan than Celtic lost to Sion.
Get it in your head boyo, the SPL may be better supported, there may be better infrastructure, there may be more money, but there is nothing, and I repeat NOTHING to back up the point they have a better standard of football.
Give your Celtic show a rest. In their history they made finals, in history they had quality teams and quality players. Thats the past. You simply cannot take the fact your home nation is bypassing your other 'home' nation in league football. This amuses me.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

The new found arrogance of LOI fans amuses me. I want to see it do well, but I snigger at the new arrogance:D Are you actually comparing the Celtic team to Shamrock bleeding Rovers and their squad of rejects, especially Gary Twigg, the second tier of Scottish football reject! Oh please stop, pppllleeeaasseee you're killing me herehttp://www.thehuddle.co.uk/hb/images/smilies/loel.gif

Many teams have few years or bad days, but class and prestige is permanant. But carry on, you're getting me through my Friday at work!

[BonnieShels]

And TA you were doing oh so well for the last couple of weeks. And then you go and spoil it all.

Also accusing a Harps fan as being arrogant is pathetic.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

And then you go and spoil it all.


You have that crappy Robbie Williams, NIcole Kidman duet stuck in my head now! Not actually kidding :(

I was being serious, I don't get the arrogance towards Scotland now, it's laughable. I want the league to do well, but don't be getting ahead of your station folks, there's a long way to go and with the crap support the league gets from the public I suspect we have reached our peak :(

BTW, you must not post on Shelsweb cause they all fecking hate the Ireland team there and don't support other LOI teams in Europe! Fair play you're different mind you.

[Charlie Darwin]

I was being serious, I don't get the arrogance towards Scotland now, it's laughable. I want the league to do well, but don't be getting ahead of your station folks, there's a long way to go and with the crap support the league gets from the public I suspect we have reached our peak :(
It's just a reaction to finally having something to throw back at all the Celtic-supporting Irish people who've never taken an interest in their own league. The excuse that they don't follow LOI because the standard isn't high enough is on shakier ground than ever. Celtic are obviously better than Rovers and have a higher standard of player in general, but they've still been comprehensively beaten two years in a row by teams that on paper they'd be considered superior to.

[Eminence Grise]

BTW, you must not post on Shelsweb cause they all fecking hate the Ireland team there and don't support other LOI teams in Europe! Fair play you're different mind you.


Bonnieshels, how dare you have your own opinion! That's just the dangerous kind of nonsense we've come to expect from from the likes of you with your ... your ... your rational, coherent posts! Down with 'em, I say!

The herd is coming, and it's calling your name: Baa-aaa-nieshels. You have been warned!:D

[Hibs4Ever]

Close the thread!


I agree. You are too embarrassing to read any more of your cr@p

[Dunny]

Arrogant LOI fans.:D Priceless!

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Bonnieshels, how dare you have your own opinion! That's just the dangerous kind of nonsense we've come to expect from from the likes of you with your ... your ... your rational, coherent posts! Down with 'em, I say!

The herd is coming, and it's calling your name: Baa-aaa-nieshels. You have been warned!:D

That post doesn't really go with what you quoted. I was giving him credit. Learn to read, please.

[TheBoss]

The new found arrogance of LOI fans amuses me.

So telling the truth is arrogance, is it true that Celtic and Rangers lost to teams that would be considered inferior to them, the answer is Yes. is it true that Shamrock Rovers beat a team that were considered better than them, the answer is Yes. Just because a fact is true does not make it arrogant, its that you are not willing to accept it as a fact. Until you do, your opinion will not be taken seriously.

[Eminence Grise]

You wrote:


"BTW, you must not post on Shelsweb cause they all fecking hate the Ireland team there and don't support other LOI teams in Europe! Fair play you're different mind you."

And I interpreted the bit in bold as a snide comment tagged on like a back-handed compliment. It's a little ambiguous if we can both read it so differently. If you feel I've misquoted you: sorry. You tend to throw more brickbats than bouquets and that does colour my reading of your posts.

[BonnieShels]

Ah TA it was a backhanded compliment.

Cheers EG.

What the Charlie said is pretty much on the money.

For what its worth I don't post over on ShelsWeb anymore cos except on matchdays its dead.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Not so much backhanded, just you're a rarity for a Shels fan online. It's good to see and refreshing. I can't get Irish people who want Ireland to lose.

Eminence Grise, it's being portrayed on here that somehow Shamrock Rovers are better than Celtic or Rangers because of ONE year neither made progress into the group stages of a European tournament. I just find it funny when they're nothing. Over 90 minutes they won one game, they're lucky to be in anything but good luck to them, but the oh we're far superior to you line I'm hearing lately is amusing but bordering on irritating. I hate idiots who are above their station. They're a team of semi-professional journeymen nobody's who have their moment in the sun. When that moment is over they're back to being nobody's.

[Acornvilla]

Not so much backhanded, just you're a rarity for a Shels fan online. It's good to see and refreshing. I can't get Irish people who want Ireland to lose.

Eminence Grise, it's being portrayed on here that somehow Shamrock Rovers are better than Celtic or Rangers because of ONE year neither made progress into the group stages of a European tournament. I just find it funny when they're nothing. Over 90 minutes they won one game, they're lucky to be in anything but good luck to them, but the oh we're far superior to you line I'm hearing lately is amusing but bordering on irritating. I hate idiots who are above their station. They're a team of semi-professional journeymen nobody's who have their moment in the sun. When that moment is over they're back to being nobody's.

There not thou


edt: in fairness would celtics team not be considered a team or rejects and people who couldn't cut it at a higher level too

[Charlie Darwin]

Not so much backhanded, just you're a rarity for a Shels fan online. It's good to see and refreshing. I can't get Irish people who want Ireland to lose.

Eminence Grise, it's being portrayed on here that somehow Shamrock Rovers are better than Celtic or Rangers because of ONE year neither made progress into the group stages of a European tournament. I just find it funny when they're nothing. Over 90 minutes they won one game, they're lucky to be in anything but good luck to them, but the oh we're far superior to you line I'm hearing lately is amusing but bordering on irritating. I hate idiots who are above their station. They're a team of semi-professional journeymen nobody's who have their moment in the sun. When that moment is over they're back to being nobody's.
Your responses are just as petty though.

Rovers is a team that does contain some journeymen pros mixed in with players who have ambitions to make it at a higher level, players who've not had the physical attributes to make it at Premier League clubs and others who've had their careers stunted by injury. To tar them all as journeymen is as ignorant as dismissing Celtic as a bunch of Premier League and Championship rejects.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Every team has a player or two that couldn't make it at a certain club, Celtic is no different. Shamrock Rovers have no players who would make it at a high level. That's why they're playing semi-professional football in the League of Ireland. We have plenty of will go on to bigger things. Emilio Izaguirre, Kayal, Hooper and Ki Sung-Yong all linked with big money moves to top clubs.

http://www.football.co.uk/manchester_united/manchester_united_linked_with_celtic_s_emilio_izag uirre_rss1698496.shtml

http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php?topic=38718.0

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Manchester-United-eye-Celtic-star-Biram-Kayal-Brazil-legend-Ronaldo-to-retire-and-Newcastle-plot-move-for-Arsenal-and-Tottenham-target-Rumours-and-gossip-from-Monday-papers-article697227.html

I had a Rovers fan tell me earlier that Tallaght Stadium was not offically as good as Celtic Park because he got a UEFA cert for the Europe League. I mean, they're losing the run of themselves down Tallaght way!

[Charlie Darwin]

But if they're so good why can't they win football matches? Rovers had 5 or 6 young players who are well capable of making it at a higher grade, one of whom is already on his way to Aston Villa. The Premier League and SPL in particular are full of lads who played semi-pro football in the League of Ireland. I don't know why you'd think the entire Shamrock Rovers team is incapable of joining those ranks, unless you were trying to make some half-assed hyperbolic point because a few people on the internet are picking on your favourite club.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Rovers is a team that does contain some journeymen pros mixed in with players who have ambitions to make it at a higher level, players who've not had the physical attributes to make it at Premier League clubs and others who've had their careers stunted by injury. To tar them all as journeymen is as ignorant as dismissing Celtic as a bunch of Premier League and Championship rejects.

One player didn't make it in England - Anthony Stokes. No other player failed in England or failed to get a game for their club. Gary Hooper scored more goals in the championship than Andy Carroll did and he was playing for Scunthorpe. Joe Ledley, Wilson, Hooper, Commons were all first team players for their clubs. Kris Common had 14 goals from midfield by January in the championship last season. The rest of the team are foreign or homegrown Scottish players, so no you couldn't say Celtic was made up of EPL or championship rejects, the facts say different. And three of the foreign players we imported are valued now between £8-£10 million each. We build a defence and we have a team :)

I don't mean to offend anyone, I just can't stand Shamrock Rovers and their fans who think they're actually something. Not long after going into administration and ripping off their creditors they were looking down their noses at others saying they were the model club because they were debt free and had just built a stadium. They forgot to mention they were not long out of administration running away from their debt and the tax payer built their stadium for them because they couldn't. Rovers have the biggest jumped up fans in the LOI.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

But if they're so good why can't they win football matches? Rovers had 5 or 6 young players who are well capable of making it at a higher grade, one of whom is already on his way to Aston Villa. The Premier League and SPL in particular are full of lads who played semi-pro football in the League of Ireland. I don't know why you'd think the entire Shamrock Rovers team is incapable of joining those ranks, unless you were trying to make some half-assed hyperbolic point because a few people on the internet are picking on your favourite club.

We do win football matches, we lost one playing 90 minutes with 10 men. I didn't lose any sleep over it. Of course plenty of people played semi-pro football in Ireland but how long do those players need before getting out of the LOI? If they were capable most of them wouldn't still be working as a postman in the mornings.

[Charlie Darwin]

One player didn't make it in England - Anthony Stokes. No other player failed in England or failed to get a game for their club. Gary Hooper scored more goals in the championship than Andy Carroll did and he was playing for Scunthorpe. Joe Ledley, Wilson, Hooper, Commons were all first team players for their clubs. Kris Common had 14 goals from midfield by January in the championship last season. The rest of the team are foreign or homegrown Scottish players, so no you couldn't say Celtic was made up of EPL or championship rejects, the facts say different. And three of the foreign players we imported are valued now between £8-£10 million each. We build a defence and we have a team :)
Well I did say it would be ignorant. But it's safe to say Celtic aren't fighting off interest from Premier League clubs for too many of their players.


I don't mean to offend anyone, I just can't stand Shamrock Rovers and their fans who think they're actually something. Not long after going into administration and ripping off their creditors they were looking down their noses at others saying they were the model club because they were debt free and had just built a stadium. They forgot to mention they were not long out of administration running away from their debt and the tax payer built their stadium for them because they couldn't. Rovers have the biggest jumped up fans in the LOI.
Sometimes I wonder if people wouldn't prefer that Rovers just folded and left the creditors with absolutely zilch. It's an odd sort of concern that people tend to show for businesses when a rival club gets into trouble. And the council built the stadium for itself - it owns and makes money by renting it to the highest bidder, while bringing regular and much-needed commerce to one of the less wealthy areas of Dublin. These ethical discussions get rather tiresome.

[BonnieShels]

Not so much backhanded, just you're a rarity for a Shels fan online. It's good to see and refreshing. I can't get Irish people who want Ireland to lose.

Eminence Grise, it's being portrayed on here that somehow Shamrock Rovers are better than Celtic or Rangers because of ONE year neither made progress into the group stages of a European tournament. I just find it funny when they're nothing. Over 90 minutes they won one game, they're lucky to be in anything but good luck to them, but the oh we're far superior to you line I'm hearing lately is amusing but bordering on irritating. I hate idiots who are above their station. They're a team of semi-professional journeymen nobody's who have their moment in the sun. When that moment is over they're back to being nobody's.

You know as well as I that no one does bitter as well as a Shels fan and I mean really bitter.

The night of the Shams game I was stuck at a wedding and flukily managed to end up beside a Shels fan and a Bohs fan. Both had zero interest in the national team. I don't understand it but hey, each to their own. And each to their own if they decide to support Birmingham (which this pair did) or Celtic or Accrington Stanley

There's no doubting your dedication to both Shels and Celtic and I do take your point re certain sections getting above their station (and don't forget we had a fair few of our own pie in the sky merchants at Tolka back in the day), but the singular point that a lot of the sane individuals on foot.ie are making is that the LOI has improved in Europe over the last few years and has made it's breakthrough; and you should welcome it because it is good for Shams, Sligo us and Finn Harps etc.; as well as the point that Scottish football has declined both domestically and in Europe. That's it.

You should just start thinking about the point you try to make and stop preaching to the converted or making yourself out as a WUM in the process.

[Eminence Grise]

Not so much backhanded, just you're a rarity for a Shels fan online. It's good to see and refreshing. I can't get Irish people who want Ireland to lose.

Eminence Grise, it's being portrayed on here that somehow Shamrock Rovers are better than Celtic or Rangers because of ONE year neither made progress into the group stages of a European tournament. I just find it funny when they're nothing. Over 90 minutes they won one game, they're lucky to be in anything but good luck to them, but the oh we're far superior to you line I'm hearing lately is amusing but bordering on irritating. I hate idiots who are above their station. They're a team of semi-professional journeymen nobody's who have their moment in the sun. When that moment is over they're back to being nobody's.

TA, I'm well aware of what has been posted. Unlike you, I'm indifferent to it. Give people here a break: for how long have LoI fans had to endure the "oh we're far superior to you line" you dislike hearing about Celtic from fans of SPL teams? How often did you hear it as a Shels fan? This season, an LoI team went further on the field of play than any SPL team. Let them, and their fans, and fans of the LoI who choose to support them, enjoy their day in the sun. They may rile you, and wind you up like a clockwork mouse - but you don't have to keep making it so easy for them.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Fair point, Eminence.

[mypost]

Wow I wanna be like Rovers. A team with no internationals, a crappy two-ended stadium and a nothing club in world football.

It's only a three-sided UEFA-approved stadium now. Tut tut.

There's 80 "nothing" clubs in European action this week, 79 of which earned the right to play, on the pitch. Enjoy watching them on tv, instead of in the stadium.


Every team has a player or two that couldn't make it at a certain club, Celtic is no different. We have plenty of will go on to bigger things. Emilio Izaguirre, Kayal, and Ki Sung-Yong all linked with big money moves to top clubs.

Who??

Indeed they may go on to bigger things. They may even beat Sion.

There are plenty of posters that hate us on this forum. For some strange reason, they've all stayed away from this thread. Don't want to embarrass themselves.

[fionnsci]

What on earth is "crappy" about Tallaght Stadium? That's quite baffling tbh.
Also, saying that Rovers have no players that would make it at a higher level is blatantly not true. Enda Stevens is proof of this. I seem to remember their international goalkeeper leave recently for the dizzying heights of the SPL though, if that's more TA's cup of tea.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

It's only a three-sided UEFA-approved stadium now. Tut tut.

There's 80 "nothing" clubs in European action this week, 79 of which earned the right to play, on the pitch. Enjoy watching them on tv, instead of in the stadium.


I just bought my three game package the weekend for £69. £23 a game, great value. I'll be sitting in my usual seat in our world class stadium, no temporary stands or TV for me :)


Also, saying that Rovers have no players that would make it at a higher level is blatantly not true. Enda Stevens is proof of this. I seem to remember their international goalkeeper leave recently for the dizzying heights of the SPL though, if that's more TA's cup of tea.

Says it all when someone who plays for Ireland's best team leaves for a crappy team like St Johnstone. That said they have decent talent like Michael Duberry and Jody Morris, have four stands for their stadium and play in a better league that gets far wider coverage and you play in Celtic Park and Ibrox four times a year. Who wouldn't leave?

[mypost]

I just bought my three game package the weekend for £69. £23 a game, great value. I'll be sitting in my usual seat in our world class stadium, no temporary stands or TV for me :)

Will it be this week, did they qualify on the pitch and erm, is the place half-full for those 6pm ko's yet? I guess not.


Says it all when someone who plays for Ireland's best team leaves for a crappy team like St Johnstone.

So the teams are now crap. Well, at least you're getting there.


That said they have decent talent like Michael Duberry and Jody Morris

EPL-rejects.


you play in Celtic Park and Ibrox four times a year. Who wouldn't leave?

They do get hockeyed in Glasgow 4 times a year, but at least they get to go to places like Kilmarnock, Motherwell, and even Inverness the rest of the year. Sure how more glamourous can it get?

[poster]

Sometimes I wonder if people wouldn't prefer that Rovers just folded and left the creditors with absolutely zilch

Isn't that what happened in 2005?