Comparison of Irish clubs in Europe versus Scottish clubs in Europe

[Dunny]

Careful now or he'l be after yis..

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[TiocfaidhArmani]

Maybe I should keep talking is the answer, everything I say won't happen, does :D Rough as bejaysus just now, gonna be a looonnnngggg day!

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Tsk sweet jesus - doh, yeah of course:rolleyes:
have you never seen gah heads play "soccer" - total lack of skill, hoofball more like

Yeah, Shane Long for example.....

D'oh! Some of Ireland's best players were GAA men!

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Careful now or he'l be after yis..

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I'm not that ugly but I do certainly feel that way today sitting here in work! Celtic were always going out with a penalty given away in the first minute and down to 10 men. One of those days. Sion are pretty poor, they got a win handed to them.

[Hibs4Ever]

Sion are pretty poor


As are Celtc. Worse in fact

[bullit]

As are Celtc. Worse in fact
I doubt that Chucky is finished yet !! :) He is dreaming some super seltic way out off this conudrum as we speak !!

[bullit]

nScotlands John Delany speaks :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/scotland/14673468.stm

"You look at some of the countries still competing and they are the minnows of Uefa," said Regan.

[peadar1987]

I doubt that Chucky is finished yet !! :) He is dreaming some super seltic way out off this conudrum as we speak !!


My advice would just be to wait patiently until all the teams who qualified ahead of you go bust. It's always worked for me!

[TiocfaidhArmani]

I don't think you can compare him to John Delaney. He's on about a quarter of his wage for a start and is only in the job a few months. And as I keep saying Scotland has punched above its weight for years. The best stadium is the LOI is Tallaght, it only has two stands and would be the worst stadium in the SPL if it was in that league so comparing the SFA to the jokeshop that is the FAI is unfair.

Celtic are on a bad spell, we'll pull out, we always do. We have the resources to like at no time in our history. We need a decent bleeding manager like when we had Martin O'Neill. Mowbray and Lennon have been disasters. A team full of internationals and he can't manage us past that dross. Granted we shot ourselves in the foot in the first minute but Sion are very poor and were there for the taking even with 10 men.

Delighted a LOI team have made it, just a shame it's the scumbags of the league and least team that deserve it given their dodging of debt and scumbag element in their fans but that's life.

[superfrank]

On the coefficients for the 2011-2012 season, Scotland's will be 1.125, Ireland's will be, at least, 1.500.

EDIT: It's 1.125, not 1.250.

[A N Mouse]

Celtic may yet progress.

Hearing at cas on tuesday over egilibility of players in sion squad

[born2bwild]

I don't think you can compare him to John Delaney. He's on about a quarter of his wage for a start and is only in the job a few months. And as I keep saying Scotland has punched above its weight for years. The best stadium is the LOI is Tallaght, it only has two stands and would be the worst stadium in the SPL if it was in that league so comparing the SFA to the jokeshop that is the FAI is unfair.

Celtic are on a bad spell, we'll pull out, we always do. We have the resources to like at no time in our history. We need a decent bleeding manager like when we had Martin O'Neill. Mowbray and Lennon have been disasters. A team full of internationals and he can't manage us past that dross. Granted we shot ourselves in the foot in the first minute but Sion are very poor and were there for the taking even with 10 men.

Delighted a LOI team have made it, just a shame it's the scumbags of the league and least team that deserve it given their dodging of debt and scumbag element in their fans but that's life.

Tiocfaidh ar something approximating a positive comment about the LoI?

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Celtic may yet progress.

Hearing at cas on tuesday over egilibility of players in sion squad

Yep they blatantly floated the rules and cheated us. I doubt we'll be so lucky.


Celtic could be handed a route back into the Europa League after UEFA president Michel Platini said that Sion were "in clear violation" of a ban on transfer and had used ineligible players in the competition.

Sion defeated Celtic 3-1 to take a place in the group stages but had registered five new signings in their squad. A FIFA ruling had banned them from all transfer activity for two years.

That ban has been in dispute and is set to be heard by the Court of Arbitration for Sport but Platini has said that UEFA will make a ruling on Sion's participation before their first group match on September 15.

"What is happening there is the rules have not been respected. FC Sion has not respected the rules of the transfer ban ," Platini said. "They signed players and then played those players."

Sion have challenged the rulings made against them in a Swiss court but UEFA general secretary Gianni Infantino said that was not relevant to footballing matters and confirmed that they could be ejected from the Europa League.

"The civil court ruling does not affect UEFA," Infantino insisted.

"We will look at our rules and the FIFA rules. There is a ruling by FIFA, CAS have ruled, it went to the Swiss supreme court and everything was confirmed but it has been challenged again.

"It is an interpretation question which is complicated - whether a two transfer-window ban means two transfer windows or parts of several transfer windows.

"Sion will be in the draw but they can be subsequently excluded. The control and disciplinary body will make a decision certainly before the group stage starts."

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Tiocfaidh ar something approximating a positive comment about the LoI?

Of course, people seem to think I'll be raging an Irish team has achieved something. Even though I hate their scumbag fans, it's great to see.

[kevincronin2000]

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/We-all-know-Celtic-will-win-the-Europa-League-201112/229661073717706

you couldnt make it up

[TiocfaidhArmani]

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/We-all-know-Celtic-will-win-the-Europa-League-201112/229661073717706

you couldnt make it up

We still could:D One of their players who shouldn't have been on the field scored twice. They cheated and should be booted out.

But sad dragging up a facebook group btw. I'm embarrassed for ya:D

[paul_oshea]

So how many scumbags do they have in that element?

Seriously though, between the two threads and all this, why do ye care about Scottish football. All I can glean from that is some sort of inverted inferiority complex, mainly based on Irish Celtic supporters, like some sort of repressed peoples.

If I were ye it would be fcuk anything else, the LOI are represented in Europa Group stages.

[christo]

Like Celtic don't have a rake of Scumbag fans :rolleyes:

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Like Celtic don't have a rake of Scumbag fans :rolleyes:

Best behaved away support in Europe. You see our support yesterday after that shambles? You're mixing us up with another club in Glasgow whose fans can't behave themselves.

I'm hoping the fact it's us UEFA will thrown Sion out. I'm sure they would much rather have us and our support involved in the tournament. We won the Fair Play award from them after 80,000 of our fans went to a European final and had not one arrest.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

So how many scumbags do they have in that element?

Seriously though, between the two threads and all this, why do ye care about Scottish football. All I can glean from that is some sort of inverted inferiority complex, mainly based on Irish Celtic supporters, like some sort of repressed peoples.

If I were ye it would be fcuk anything else, the LOI are represented in Europa Group stages.

I don't care about Scottish football, I give opinions on it because I live in Scotland and am in a position to. I care not a jot for it or the bigots in the SFA.

You're not me though, I support Celtic. I care about them, not the league. Don't get me giving an opinion as caring!

[A face]

The best stadium is the LOI is Tallaght, it only has two stands and would be the worst stadium in the SPL if it was in that league so comparing the SFA to the jokeshop that is the FAI is unfair.

Ahh Turners Cross

[MeathDrog]

Looking at the group Fc Sion were put in, Celtic should save themselved the embarrassment of looking to take their place..

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Looking at the group Fc Sion were put in, Celtic should save themselved the embarrassment of looking to take their place..

We wouldn't have got that group, we would have been in Pot 2, not Pot 4, as Sion were.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

We wouldn't have got that group, we would have been in Pot 2, not Pot 4, as Sion were.

So they're going to go and redo the whole draw again if ye get their place?

[SwanVsDalton]

So they're going to go and redo the whole draw again if ye get their place?

According to BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/front_page/9573292.stm) it'll be a straight swap with Sion.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

So they're going to go and redo the whole draw again if ye get their place?

No, just get their place.

[Hibs4Ever]

Looking at the group Fc Sion were put in, Celtic should save themselved the embarrassment of looking to take their place..


We wouldn't have got that group, we would have been in Pot 2, not Pot 4, as Sion were.


Whats that got to do with anything? He is talking about if you replace them now

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Celtic have been given renewed hope of being re-instated into the Europa League after Uefa insiders indicated that Sion are likely to be thrown out.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14679531.stm

It's looking likely this now going off what Platini and co are saying. The person who scored twice shouldn't have been on the pitch so personally I think they should be thrown out.

[MeathDrog]

We wouldn't have got that group, we would have been in Pot 2, not Pot 4, as Sion were.
Right, so the whole draw is going to be done again in order to give Celtic a fair seeding..

Should they win their appeal that is.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Right, so the whole draw is going to be done again in order to give Celtic a fair seeding..

Should they win their appeal that is.

No, was just saying if we were in the draw we wouldn't have got the same draw as we would have been in a different pot to them.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

MeathDrog, btw I can't stop laughing at your fecking signature, classic mate!

[MeathDrog]

MeathDrog, btw I can't stop laughing at your fecking signature, classic mate!
It's been my sig on here for a good 3 years, about time it got some recognition!

[TiocfaidhArmani]

It's been my sig on here for a good 3 years, about time it got some recognition!

Tis a cracker mate, one of the lads in work put it as his facebook status after I told him it!

[bennocelt]

Yeah, Shane Long for example.....

D'oh! Some of Ireland's best players were GAA men!

doh - hurling, thats different - ie some skill required

btw - celtic wud be better off not going back into the europa to save embaressment, they are muck

[Eminence Grise]

Events this week make you wonder whether the Setanta Cup might not be better re-imagined as an LoI-SPL competition. Our standard has definitely increased to the point where teams can realistically compete with most SPL teams, and the Scottish football calendar might have more gaps in future years if its clubs' seedings and advanced entry take the hit that this year's results suggest.

I think it would probably create more interest here than playing IL teams. Possibly more money too: can't imagine Derry or Rovers v Hearts getting a worse crowd than, say, Glentoran or Linfield would bring.

[KianD]

Events this week make you wonder whether the Setanta Cup might not be better re-imagined as an LoI-SPL competition. Our standard has definitely increased to the point where teams can realistically compete with most SPL teams, and the Scottish football calendar might have more gaps in future years if its clubs' seedings and advanced entry take the hit that this year's results suggest.

I think it would probably create more interest here than playing IL teams. Possibly more money too: can't imagine Derry or Rovers v Hearts getting a worse crowd than, say, Glentoran or Linfield would bring.

Can you imagine the horrors of having to provide security for the Rangers games here?

[Eminence Grise]

You think it couldn't be done? We're talking 10% ground capacity being given to Rangers fans, which means between 300 and 1,000 tickets, presumably only sold to season ticket holders. We have enough policing and security experience to deal with that, surely?

[peadar1987]

You think it couldn't be done? We're talking 10% ground capacity being given to Rangers fans, which means between 300 and 1,000 tickets, presumably only sold to season ticket holders. We have enough policing and security experience to deal with that, surely?

It's not just the people in the ground you'd have to worry about though. I wouldn't put it past some of the Weegies, or people from the North, to come down and take the opportunity to wreak some havoc. It wasn't people who were at the game who trashed Manchester a few years back, by and large.

[A N Mouse]

It's a terrible idea. And would seem to totally miss the point, if there's any, of the setanta.

As to why it's even more pie in the sky than usual.

They'd have to have large holes in their calendars on a regular basis.

They might actually have to take the thing seriously - admitting this is the level they're at is one thing. Getting embarrassed is another. Both would affect their bottom line.

[sparky12345678]

Events this week make you wonder whether the Setanta Cup might not be better re-imagined as an LoI-SPL competition. Our standard has definitely increased to the point where teams can realistically compete with most SPL teams, and the Scottish football calendar might have more gaps in future years if its clubs' seedings and advanced entry take the hit that this year's results suggest.

I think it would probably create more interest here than playing IL teams. Possibly more money too: can't imagine Derry or Rovers v Hearts getting a worse crowd than, say, Glentoran or Linfield would bring.


How about a carling nations cup but for clubs....
the welsh and n irish would be at a relative similair level and then non glasgow clubs same level (?) as loi and if celtic and rangers wanted it would be interesting....

as for the other comment. What is the point of Setanta...?

[Acornvilla]

I don't think we should lower our great league to playing those peasants in Scotland




:)

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Events this week make you wonder whether the Setanta Cup might not be better re-imagined as an LoI-SPL competition. Our standard has definitely increased to the point where teams can realistically compete with most SPL teams, and the Scottish football calendar might have more gaps in future years if its clubs' seedings and advanced entry take the hit that this year's results suggest.

I think it would probably create more interest here than playing IL teams. Possibly more money too: can't imagine Derry or Rovers v Hearts getting a worse crowd than, say, Glentoran or Linfield would bring.

There would be zero interest in Scotland for it. Rangers in Tallaght would WWIII.

[A face]

as a player/member of the GAA for the last 24 years of my 31 years on this planet, I would defend it to the last

Spoken like a devout GAA vigilance committee member !!!! :)

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Spoken like a devout GAA vigilance committee member !!!! :)

Damn right. I got my ticket for the All Ireland final because of it :)

[peadar1987]

There would be zero interest in Scotland for it. Rangers in Tallaght would WWIII.

I actually mentioned the idea to some Hibs supporters I knew in Edinburgh, and they all thought it was a great idea (or were being very enthusiastically polite!). They were all fed up with endless trips to either greater Glasgow or Dundee, and would have loved the opportunity to play against different opposition in different cities. Of course, the Old Firm are probably a different proposition, with regular and sustained European football.

[A face]

Damn right. I got my ticket for the All Ireland final because of it :)

Fair play to ya fella, sectarianism is alive and well on the Tolka Park terraces !!! :)

[A face]

I actually mentioned the idea to some Hibs supporters I knew in Edinburgh, and they all thought it was a great idea (or were being very enthusiastically polite!). They were all fed up with endless trips to either greater Glasgow or Dundee, and would have loved the opportunity to play against different opposition in different cities. Of course, the Old Firm are probably a different proposition, with regular and sustained European football.

Having spoken to mainly Dundee United fans over the last few years i know they are dying for some change of opposition.

[born2bwild]

Damn right. I got my ticket for the All Ireland final because of it :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw0VZmqBo3Y&feature=player_embedded#!

[BonnieShels]

Having spoken to mainly Dundee United fans over the last few years i know they are dying for some change of opposition.
I'd say Dundee fans even moreso want new opposition!

[TiocfaidhArmani]

A Celtic Cup would actually possibly be something that would work. The League Cup in all countries is seen as a 'diddy' cup, so could be on to something there. Maybe need to lobby the FAI to propose something to the SFA. Think as well with gates being split 60/40 if you could an away tie against Celtic or Rangers what that extra would be for a LOI team. Although I really think the prospect of Rangers fans in Dublin etc would make it a no-go.